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Northshield ILoI - 2017-09-22

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1: Ekaterina Vladimirovna -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 1995, via Atlantia.

Argent, on a pale gules between two axes addorsed a zule counterchanged

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-09-22 18:15:06
Not quite. Propose:

Argent, on a pale between two axes in chevron inverted addorsed gules a zule argent

Beatrice Domenici della Campana at 2017-09-22 22:26:55
The axes here are neither palewise, nor bendwise. I believe them to be in an unblazonable orientation, and thus returnable.

I concur that the zule should be blazoned as simply "argent" and not "counterchanged" as it's a single charge with a single tincture, so there's neither a multi-colored group nor a multicolored charge to justify the blazon "counterchanged". Charges in disparate groups, such as the axes and the zule, generally aren't unified in blazon like that. Gerard's blazon is more appropriate.

I find no conflict.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-09-23 00:32:15
You don't think in chevron inverted works?

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-09-23 22:33:03
In fact, probably not. Consider Elizabeth Chienast (name as registered) from https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=75006, blazoned ... two lizards tergiant in chevron ... but returned because "the arrangement of the lizards blurs the difference between palewise and bendwise (sinister)."

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-10-01 11:17:32
I think the person who drew the design made the natural choice to follow the tapering lines of the shield with the skinnier bits of the poleaxes. Unfortunately, what is sensible to a lot of artistic design really messes with heraldic design. On the other hand, you're not going to get poleaxes (which these are, not axes) on either side of a pale unless they are palewise (or you have a mighty odd design). I would blazon this "Argent, on a pale between two poleaxes addorsed gules a zule argent" with a note to draw the axe poles parallel with the pale.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-01 19:48:11
Concur, except see my link to Elizabeth above; a note may not suffice.

Magnus von L├╝beck at 2017-10-03 20:29:13
The device is already returned due to the name conflict, so the pole-axes should be redrawn palewise. That would remove a likely problem for registration and there is no reason for the axes not to be fixed.
No conflict found. Suggested blazon: Argent, on a pale between two pole-axes addorsed gules a zule argent. These could also be blazoned blades outward.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2017-10-20 10:02:32
I understand that the axes are drawn to fill their spaces, but that's lower in priority than being able to reconstruct the device from the blazon. Could we possibly call the axes "addorsed in pile"? See the device of Vebrand of the Iron Hills, reg. 9/84 via Meridies: "Argent, on a pile gules between in pile two battle-axes addorsed sable, a Bengal tiger rampant argent, striped sable."

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-10-20 12:54:02
The return for Elizabeth Chienast, Sep 2017, that I cited above may be more relevant.