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Atlantia LoP dated 2019-09-14

Unto Eldred Triton and the Atlantian College of Heralds, Greetings!

Herein for your perusal and commentary is the first batch of submissions received from Pennsic. I would like to thank all those who took the time to volunteer at Heralds' Point this year, and also to give special thanks to Deirdre Opal, who assisted me in preparing this Letter. Commentary will close on October 14.

1: Adriana du Chesne -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2010, via Atlantia.

Per bend argent and vert, a triquetra and a harp reversed counterchanged.

Consulting Herald: Bianca di Alessandro

2: Aine O Grienan -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 2010, via Atlantia.

(Fieldless) A ladybug azure marked sable

Consulting Herald: Seamus Blaer de Maxwell

3: Alexandria Sanguini -New Name Change & New Badge

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in August of 2013, via Atlantia.

(Fieldless) A feather fracted in chevron inverted purpure distilling a goutte de sang from the point of fracture.

Old Item: Alexandria Sangrini, to be released.
Meaning (blood or bloody) most important.

Alexandria is the registered given name of the submitter, and is registerable via the Existing Registration Allowance. Therefore, it is neutral in place and time. It's also dated to 1513x21 in the DMNES s.n. Alexandra (http://dmnes.org/name/Alexandra).

Sanguini is the 14th C byname of Johannes Sanguini, found in the Latin genitive form as Johanni Sanguini in Les journaux de Trésor de Philippe VI de Valois, suivis de l'Ordinarium thesauri de 1338-1339, Issue 34 (https://books.google.com/books?id=kXcKAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA981).

Consulting Name Herald: Ermine Field

Consulting Device Herald: Rosina von Schaffhausen

4: Ava Deinhardt -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Atlantia LoI of February 28, 2019 as submitted.

Per chevron rayonny argent and azure, a goat clymant and a bordure sable

Consulting Herald: Thomas de Groet

Submission History:

This is a resubmission after the February 2019 Kingdom return of Per chevron rayonny argent and azure, a ram clymant sable.:

"Unfortunately, this device must be returned for conflict with the badge of Eric Edgarson, registered in July of 2015 (via Atenveldt): Lozengy gules and argent, a goat clymant sable.

While there is one Distinct Change allowed for any change to the field, a second would be required to clear conflict. There is no difference granted between a goat and a ram."

5: Avis Curtois -New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in July of 2013, via Atlantia.

Old Item: Aye der Dunkele Rotvogel, to be released.
No major changes.
Sound (sound of Avice and Curt-, meaning of bird) most important.

Avis is a English feminine given name found in FamilySearch: Avis Abraham 08 Sep 1594, Manuden, Essex, England, batch C04239-1 Avis Abbott 22 Dec 1634 Winterborne-Kingston, Dorset, England, batch: C16015-1

Curtois is a variant of the attested le Curtoys, dated 1230 in R&W, s.n. Curtis. i/y switches are unremarkable in English.

Consulting Herald: Ermine Field

6: Dominica Snijder -New Name

No changes.

Dominica Snijder

'Dominica' is found in "Dictionary of Medieval Names from European Sources by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman) s.n. Dominica url:http://dmnes.org/name/Dominica Dominica f. Latin dominica 'of the Lord'. The name was originally given to children born on Sunday, dies dominica. Later, it was also used as a feminine of Dominic, in honor of the important saint by that name. Also found 'Dominicus' in DMNES in Dutch. s.n. 'Dominic' url:http://dmnes.org/name/Dominic Belgium Dutch? 1597x1598 Dominicus BoonenGes p. 341 Dominica would be the feminine form of this.

'Snijder' is found in http://www.familysearch.org/ark:/661903/1:1:QLGL-KG9Y buried 28 Nov 1630 Alkmaar, Noord-Holland, Netherlands. Netherlands Archive Index, Vital Records

submitter wants "Minke" if it can be documented.

Submitting Herald: Thomas Haworth

7: Finne Breth -New Name

No major changes.
Sound (Finnbreth) most important.

Finne is an English feminine given name from the FamilySearch Historical Records from https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NPTJ-FXD Finne Girdler, Christening Date: 03 Dec 1647, SAINT CRUX,YORK,YORK,ENGLAND, Batch Number P01101-1

Breth is a family name from https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5LP-VQK Ann Breth, Christening Date: 07 Jun 1619, SAINT BOTOLPH BISHOPSGATE,LONDON,LONDON,ENGLAND, Batch Number, P00161-1 If there is a conflict add "of Stierbach" (SCA group)

Consulting Herald: Tancos Istvan

8: Gormlaith ingen Lugdach -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2007, via the East.

Pily argent and purpure, a bordure azure

Consulting Herald: Maryna Borowska

9: Irina Skomorokha -New Name & New Device

Lozengy sable and argent, on an aspen leaf Or a coney courant gardant sable

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Irina is found as a feminine given name in Wickenden s.n. Irina dated to 866

Skomorokha is a constructed feminine form of the byname Skomorokh; the latter is dated to 1495 in Wickenden Feminization of bynames is discussed in the Grammar section under "Possessive and Descriptive Bynames"

Consulting Name Herald: Conall an Doire

Consulting Herald: Michael Langley

10: Jareth Huntsman -New Name & New Device

Sable, three dogs courant in annulo between three triskeles argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning (really wants to mean) most important.

In the FamilySearch Historical Records, Jareth Kyrkeman married Elen Craske on 26 Jan 1569 in Lowestoft, Suffolk, England (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N21X-Z62), batch M00983-1

If that record proved problematic, he would accept Gareth; Withycombe s.n. Gareth dates that spelling to 1593.

Huntsman:Huntsman is found in the Family Search Historical Records for England: Willyam Huntsman; Male; Christening; 26 Apr 1542; Redisham, Suffolk, England; Batch: C13385-1 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N5KQ-9DZ) Robert Huntsman; Male; Christening; 13 Dec 1601; Saint James, Colchester, Essex, England; Batch: J15176-1 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NK6N-G3T)

Consulting Name Herald: Jehan de la Marche

Consulting Device Herald: Michael Langley

11: John Peynter -New Name & New Device

Sable,a sunburst inverted Or.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for English.
Meaning most important.

John is a given name found in "Naming Practices in 16th Century Gloucestershire" by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Kathleen M. O'Brien), http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/GlocNamePractices/.

Peynter is a surname found in the same article.

Consulting Name Herald: Galefridus Peregrinus

Consulting Device Herald: Michael Langley

12: John Peynter -New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(Fieldless) A sunburst inverted Or.

Consulting Herald: Michael Langley

13: Kade Tatter Skirt -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2018, via Atlantia.

Or, an oak tree blasted and eradicated sable and in base an oak sprig vert.

Consulting Herald: Emma de Davyntre

Submission History:

This is a resubmission after the June 2019 Kingdom return of Or, a tree blasted and eradicated sable, in base a sprig of three oak leaves vert.:

"This device is being returned for violation of SENA A.2.C.2, which states that

"Elements must be drawn to be identifiable… Ambiguity can be created when a depiction falls between two states that contribute to difference, such as tincture, posture, or type of charge. We sometimes say that such a depiction blurs the distinction between the two states, and it may not be registered."

In this case, it is unclear whether the sprig is meant to be co-primary, or secondary. If the sprig and tree are co-primary, we recommend moving the tree slightly higher, so it does not cross the fess line. If the sprig is secondary, we recommend redrawing it smaller, and making the tree larger, so that there is a clear difference in their sizes."

14: Karli de Beauvoir -New Name & New Device

Gyronny arrondi azure and Or, three cinquefoils per pale gules and sable.

No major changes.
Spelling most important.

Client desires a German name which sounds similar to Karli combined with the French byname de Beauvoir - luckily the byname is covered under the ERA (in her mother's registered name) and is thus neutral in time and place.

Karli is dated to 1446 in Lind Dopnamn: Norsk-Islandska dopnamn ock fingerade namn fran medeltiden / samlade ock utgivna av E. H. Lind p. 677, s.n. Karli.

de Beauvoir is dated to 1421 and 1438 in "French Surnames from Paris 1421,1423, 1438" by Aryanhwy merch Catamael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/paris1423surnames.html)

Geneviève de Beauvoir (Feb 04 via Atlantia) is her mother - Neutral byname via the Existing Registration Allowance. The attestation is attached.

Consulting Name Herald: Solveig Throndardottir

Consulting Device Herald: Jeanne de Robin

15: Khaula bint Isma'il ibn Mujahid al-Zarqa' -New Badge

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Khaula bint Isma'il ibn Mujahid al-Zarqa' in February of 2014, via Atlantia.

(Fieldless) On a mullet of eight points argent fimbriated a scimitar inverted sable

Consulting Herald: Maryna Borowska

16: Lucina of Southampton -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2019, via Atlantia.

Sable, a hippopotamus statant between in chief three mullets of eight points fesswise argent and on a ford a heart gules.

Consulting Herald: Michael Langley

17: Madu Myree -New Name & New Device

Sable, in fess a moose antler palewise and a moose antler palewise inverted argent

Sound (Madu Myree if possible) most important.

The submitter would like Madu Myree if it can be documented.

Madu is an Igbo name that we could not date before the 19th century. We appeal to the College for assistance. There may also be compound names with Madu- that date to an earlier period; he'd like to know about them as well. But he doesn't care about the origin, but about the sound. He will accept Maduc Myrie if that cannot be docmented: Maduc is dated to a. 1153 in Black s.n. Maduc as a given name.

Myrye, Myrie or Mirie are byname forms: the MED s.v. miri(e): Thomas le Myrye is dated to 1238 and Ric' le Myrie to 1279. The speling mirie is dated as well for that word. Seems to have no conflict.

Consulting Herald: Dai Gerdwr


We believe that this does not violate unity of posture, given the large number of examples of period patterns like passant-counterpassant; we ask for help in documenting this patttern. The submitter is interested in something similar to a depiction of the Gye symbol (from Ghana). We have provided a few different emblazons to see if we can accomodate the request with heraldic artwork. One was Sable, a dexter hand cupped issuing from chief and a sinister hand cupped issuing from base

Consulting Herald: Brunissende Dragonette

18: María Lopeitza de Luna -New Name & New Device

Argent, a chevron Or fimbriated sable between an increscent, a decrescent, and a roundel gules.

Submitter desires a feminine name.

María is a 10th-14th century feminine given name found in "Basque Feminine Names" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/spanish/basque.html). It is also found in "Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century" by Juliana de Luna (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/isabella/locative.html).

Lopeitza is a feminine given name found in "Basque Onomastics of the Eighth to Sixteenth Centuries," by Karen Larsdatter, dated to 1478 (http://www.larsdatter.com/basque/1il.htm - Wayback Machine link: https://web.archive.org/web/20160805223310/http://www.larsdatter.com/basque/1il.htm).

de Luna is a locative byname meaning "from Luna" is found in "Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century" by Juliana de Luna (https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/isabella/locative.html). Double given names and locative bynames are found "late" in Castilian and Catalan per Appendix A of SENA. The second byname can also be interpreted as a literal matronym, which is found in Basque per the September 2012 Cover Letter.

Consulting Name Herald: Thomas Haworth

Device Herald: Konrad Mailander

19: Marit Rase -New Name & New Device

Per fess Or and sable bezanty, in chief a magpie proper

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

Marit is a Swedish feminine given name found in Aryanhwy merch Catmael's article Swedish Feminine Given Names from SMP. http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/swedish/smp/

Rase is a Swedish surname found in the article New Sweden Settlers 1638-1664 by Dr. Peter Stebbens Craig http://www.genealogia.fi/emi/3d41indexe.htm It is also found as a surname in the FamilySearch Historical Records: Mans Rase is the father of Elin Mansdotter, who was christened in Bjorskog, Vastmanland, Sweden, on 26 Oct 1649, batch C40653-2. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V7FG-W6B

Consulting Name Herald: Muirenn ingen Dunadaig

Consulting Device Herald: Michael Langley

20: Mirabella Walmesley of Grimsby -New Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2010, via Atlantia.

Per fess azure and vert, a dance between three lilies and a hedgehog argent.

Old Item: Per fess azure and vert, a dance between two lilies and a hedgehog argent., to be retained as a badge.

Consulting Herald: Bianca di Alessandro

21: Nelson Sebold -Resub Name

No major changes.

Nelson is a masculine English name found in FamilySearch, and can be borrowed into German by precedent [Feb 2015 Cover Letter]: Nelson Huchensone 31 Jan 1622 Saint Alphage, Greenwich Kent, England, batch: C00632-5

Sebold is a German surname found in FamilySearch: Stoffel Sebold 06 Feb 1631 Evangelisch Reformierte Kirche, Barbelroth, Pfalz, Bavaria Batch: C99741-1

Consulting Herald: Ermine Field

Submission History:

This is a resubmission after the June 2019 Kingdom return of Nelson Sebald:

"This must be returned for insufficient documentation. As submitted, the name relies on the Legal Name Allowance for the given name. However, the only documentation was attestation by a single herald. Per the July 2012 Cover Letter,

"Attestation should be used only at locations where photocopies cannot be easily made (like camping events) or where making photocopies is prohibited by law. Where photocopies cannot easily be made, heralds may attest that they have seen the identification. Such attestation must include the following: the type of identification, the complete name exactly as it appears on the identification (for example noting that the name is rendered completely in capital letters), the names and titles of two heralds who have seen the identification (herald/pursuivant at large is a title), and the signature or initials of those heralds. If signatures cannot be obtained, the herald may confirm that he or she has seen the documentation in commentary (internal or external - in the case of internal commentary the Letter of Intent should note that it was confirmed). At a local event where only a single herald is available, another officer (seneschal, for example) can serve as a second witness. An attestation that fails this standard will not be considered adequate documentation for a name element that depends on the legal name allowance."

We therefore ask that the submitter provide a redacted copy of identification on resubmission, or include written attestation from either two warranted heralds or one herald and another officer on resubmission."

22: Olivia Kruger -New Name & New Device

Argent, a chevron inverted purpure and in chief a bow and arrow drawn and nocked reversed sable.

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Olivia is a female given name found in England in the IGI/Family Search Historical Records: Olivia Taylor; Female; Marriage; 07 Nov 1568; Wolborough And Newton Abbot, Devon, England; Batch: M05188-1 Olivia Tailer; Female; Marriage; 08 Oct 1583; Wolfhampcote, Warwick, England; Batch: M01093-1

'Kruger' is a German byname found in "German Names from Nürnberg, 1497" by Sara L. Uckelman, http://heraldry.sca.org/names/german/surnamesnurna-m.html. English given names can be borrowed into German by precedent set on the February 2015 Cover letter.

Consulting Name Herald: Seraphina Ragged Staff

Consulting Device Herald: Michael Langley

23: René van Reimerswaal -New Name & New Device

Per fess wavy argent and barry wavy azure and argent, a double-headed demi-eagle sable charged on the breast with a tower argent all issuant from the line of division

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning (given name is real world nickname; surname has family significance) most important.

René is a French masculine name found in Names Found in Commercial Documents from Bordeaux, 1470-1520 by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Friedemann), with assistance from Talan Gwynek (Brian M. Scott) www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/bordeaux.html

van Reimerswaal is a Dutch locative byname (the use of van in Dutch is found in Appendix C). This is the modern form. It is found in a 1560 atlas image by Jacob van Deventer in Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reimerswaal_(city) - that shows the spelling "Rumerswael" - so some spelling is period. We could find the modern spelling as early as 1685, in _Batavia illustrata, ofte Verhandelinge vanden oorspronk,... We ask for help pushing it back into the gray period. Dutch and French may be combined under the standards of Appendix C.

Consulting Name Herald: Muirenn inghen Dunadaig

Consulting Device Herald: Maryna Borowska

24: Róis Caomhánach -New Name & New Device

Or, a bird volant between three flames gules.

Language most important.
Culture most important.

Róis is found in OCM (Róis, p.156, 157) Róis appears to derive from the Old German hros 'horse' though at an early period it was identified with the flower of that name. It was brought into England by the Normans and reached Ireland much later? Róisín is a popular diminutive form." Submitter would prefer Róisín but by precedent is it not registerable see: [Róis inghean uí Fhlaithbheartaigh, 05/2002, A-Caid] if it can be attested that would be preferred.

Caomhánach - Index of Names in IrishAnnals: Descriptive Bynames: Caomhánach by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan https://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/DescriptiveBynames/Caomhanach.shtml Early Modern Irish Gaelic (c1200-c1700) nominative form: Caomhánach checked sources. appear to be verified.

Consulting Herald: Konrad Mailander

25: Rory Somerset -New Name

Submitter has no desire as to gender.
Sound (Roar-ee Sum-mer-set) most important.

Rory Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue h. Schlange cited 1434 Rory Millare noted from Ayr B. Ct. fol. 119b (Ayr Burgh Court. Carnegie Library, Ayr. (Transcr. DOST Lib.) "Gibbon Dawison & Rory Millare schalansit be fore the bail`z`eis at the cors of forsocht fellony;"

Somerset h. Somerset - R&;W p. 471 Edward Somerset dated to 1545

Scots and English is an acceptable lingual mix according to SENA Appendix C

Consulting Herald: Rhiannon Kraken

26: Seraphina Delphino -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2017, via Atlantia.

Per fess with a right step, ermine and vert

This submission is to be associated with Seraphina Delphino

Consulting Herald: Drasma Dragomira

27: Sigmundr Afason -New Name & New Device

Per chevron throughout gules and sable, in base a drakkar Or

Language most important.
Culture most important.

Both elements are found in http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml

Sigmundr is a masculine given name found in that source; this is an Old West Norse form.

Afason is a constructed byname; the masculine given name is Afi (it's found for example in Fellows-Jensen). Geirr Bassi makes it clear that the form suitable for patronymic bynames is Afa-.

Consulting Herald: Wu Yun

Consulting Armory Herald: Seamus Blaer de Maxwell

28: Skye Saffron -New Name & New Device

Azure, a sun in splendor Or and a bordure Or semy of mullets azure

Sound (Sky) most important.

Skye: Surname found in FamilySearch Joane Skye Female Christening record 21 November 1576 Ryarsh Kent England Batch P017821 Late period byname as given name. Late period English given names can be borrowed into German by precedent.

Saffron is a German surname found in FamilySearch: Elyzabeth Saffron Female 13 Apr 1578 Sankt Katharinen Evangelisch Reformierte, Oppenheim, Rheinhessen, Hesse-Darmstadt Batch C9255-1

Consulting Name Herald: Dai Gerdwr

Consulting Armory Herald: Muirenn Blue Tyger

29: Thomas de Kilbride -New Name & New Device

Per chevron Or and azure, two flesh hooks inverted points to chief crossed in saltire at the handles sable and a donkey sejant argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Spelling (Thomas) most important.

Thomas is found in "Names From Old Edinburgh, 1597-1598" by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Kathleen M. O'Brien)dated to 1597-1598. url: medievalscotland.org/kmo/Edinburgh/ It is also dated to the middle of the thirteenth century in Black s.n.. Thomas (as "Thomas filius Maldoueny."

de Kilbride is found in Black, "Surnames of Scotland" s.n. 'Kilbride' "John de Kilbrid" is dated to c. 1202-07, "Reginald de Kelbride" is dated to 1277, "Gilbert de Kilbride" is dated to 1296, and "Druwet de Kilbryde" is dated to 1296. This variability indicates that de Kilbride is plausible as a late 13th c. Scots spelling.

Consulting Name Herald: Thomas Haworth

Consulting Armory Herald: Beatrice Green Staff

In service to College and Kingdom,

Beatrice Golden Dolphin

OSCAR counts 17 Names, 2 Name Changes, 18 Devices, 1 Device Change and 5 Badges. There are a total of 43 items submitted on this letter.