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Atlantia LoP dated 2018-12-15

Unto Cian Triton, Eldred Triton-elect, and the Atlantian College of Heralds, Greetings!

Herein for your perusal and commentary are all submissions items received by December 10, 2018. Commentary on this letter will close on January 14.

1: Charles Fleming -Resub Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2001, via Atlantia.

fieldless, a roast chicken sable enflamed on a spit sable bendwise

Submission History:

This is a resubmission after the February 2018 Kingdom return of

"Fieldless, a roast chicken enflamed argent and gules on a bendwise spit,

sable":

Unfortunately, this badge must be returned for style issues. By precedent, the College of Arms does not register voided flames, nor fimbriated flames, which the flames depicted in this submission are considered:

"[September 2008 LoAR, R-Drachenwald] Flintheath, Shire of. Device change. Sable, in pale a flame argent charged with another gules and a furison all within a laurel wreath argent. This is returned for the use of a fimbriated flame. Though they are drawn off-center from each other, commenters were nearly unanimous that the flames depicted on the submitted emblazon appear, from any distance, to be fimbriated. Flames have been consistently ruled to be too

complex a charge to fimbriate. While it may be possible to emblazon this motif in such a way that it does not appear to be a flame fimbriated, we also require that the emblazon be reconstructable in recognizable form from a competent blazon (RfS VII.7.b, Reconstruction Requirement). Most heraldic artists,

when presented with the blazon on a flame, a flame, will draw something that will be blazoned as a flame fimbriated. While the shire of Rhuddglyn did succeed in registering a flame on a flame in 2005, there was no comment on the LoAR. Registrations without comment do not set or overturn precedent. Precedent is clear: the motif of a flame on another flame is not registerable no matter how it is blazoned."

We recommend, if the submitter wishes the primary charge to be "enflamed argent and gules," that the flames be drawn as tongues of flame alternating between the two colors, rather than as spurts of different sizes overlapping. We also recommend that when resubmitting, the roast chicken be drawn with narrower internal detail lines.


2: Conall mac Aodha mhic Réamoinn -New Badge

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Conall mac Aodha mhic R?amoinn in February of 2011, via Atlantia.

Argent, on a plate sable a phoenix argent, within a bordure embattled sable.

Consulting Herald: Eadwyn Inhold


3: Isobel of Carnewyth -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2016, via Atlantia.

(Fieldless) An amphisbaena statant vert.

Consulting Herald: Etienne Sea Stag


4: Jyne Tannahill -New Name & New Device

Per chevron azure and vert, three maple leaves in chevron argent.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

Jyne: Jyne 1552[FLATAY, 267] (From Jane?) found at A List of Feminine Personal Names Found in Scottish Records Part One: Introduction by Talan Gwynek (Brian M. Scott)

Last modified 27 June 2000 http://heraldry.sca.org/names/scottishfem.html

Tannahill: Name William Tannahill

Gender Male

Christening Date 08 Oct 1609

Christening Place EDINBURGH PARISH, EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND

Father's Name James Tannahill

Mother's Name Bessie Sinclair batch #C11685-4

Consulting Herald: Ragnar Red Shark


5: Krÿstÿna Vándor -New Name & New Device

Argent on a sheaf of arrows proper, flights azure, a fox sagent gules

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

Krÿstÿna found at Hungarian Feminine Names by Walraven van Nijmegen c 1998, 2002 by Brian R. Speer. All rights reserved

Last updated: 6 April 2002 http://heraldry.sca.org/names/magfem2.html

Vándor, "wandering person" or "pilgrim," c. 1638: Vandor Janose.

found at Hungarian Surnames Related to Wandering by Kolosvari Arpadne Julia, 2014

https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/julia/Wanderer.html

Consulting Herald: Ragnar Red Shark


6: Mawdlen Katherine Morgan -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

Mawdlen: Mawdlen RegBath p. 3; 1579 found at Dictionary of Medieval Names from European Sources as alternate spelling for Magdalene http://dmnes.org/name/Magdalene

Katherine: Katerine (gen) ibid. p. 91; 1408 found at Dictionary of Medieval Names from European Sources http://dmnes.org/name/Katherine

Morgan: Thomas Morgan

England Births and Christenings

Name Thomas Morgan

Gender Male

Christening Date 03 Nov 1588

Christening Date (Original) 03 NOV 1588

Christening Place ST BOTOLPH WITHOUT ALDGATE, LONDON, LONDON, ENGLAND batch #C00633-1

allowance of mixture of English Welsh names http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#AppendixC

Consulting Herald: Ragnar Red Shark


7: Rhea Hakon -New Name & New Device

Per pale Or and gules a mandrake and a sail fastened to its mast and hanging from its yardarm counterchanged, and a ford proper.

Submitter has no desire as to gender.
Sound most important.

Rhea is found in Family Search Historical Records:

Elizabeth Rhea, female, christened on 27 Oct 1645, Hertford, England, Batch #C07214-2

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3KV-7PF

English allows for surnames to be used as given names

Hakon is found in Family Search Historical Records

Robertus Hakon, male, christened on 06 Dec 1614 in Norfolk, England, Batch #C04146-1

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3XR-5PV


8: Ríoghnach inghean Uí Clérigh -New Device

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as R?oghnach inghean U? Cl?righ in March of 2017, via Atlantia.

Per chevron vert and azure, two suns Or and a bear passant argent.

Consulting Herald: Etienne Sea Stag


9: Sadb ingen Chonchobair -New Household Name & New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2010, via Atlantia.

Sleeping Dragon Inn

Or, a dragon dormant sable, wings upraised addorsed, tail nowed.

Submitter has no desire as to gender.
No major changes.
Meaning (a household called Sleeping Dragon) most important.

Household name following the "arrangement"(body position)+ "mythological creature" pattern from Inn/Shop/House names found in the ten shires surrounding London in 1636. The dragon is present on signs in 1636. Also following SCA precedents such as, "Angharad of the Sleeping Lion," and household names like, "Sleeping Jade Griffin," as well as the East Kingdom heraldic title, "Sleeping Tyger Pursuivant."

Consulting Herald: Eadwyn Inhold


10: Sadb ingen Chonchobair -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2010, via Atlantia.

(Fieldless) A dragon dormant sable, wings upraised addorsed, tail nowed.

This submission is to be associated with Sleeping Dragon Inn

Consulting Herald: Eadwyn Inhold


11: Stoffel die Wafel -New Name Change & New Device

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in January of 2016, via Æthelmearc.

Argent, a hare rampant contourney proper, maintaining a sword sinister and a buckler or.

Old Item: Stoffel die Waeyer, to be released.
Submitter desires a masculine name.
No changes.
Sound most important.
Meaning most important.

Stoffel:

1. Stoffel (1531-1532 in city of Geervliet)

Source: Uckelman, Sara [Aryanhwy merch Catmael]. "15th Century Dutch names." SCA College of Arms on the Web, Name Articles, 2009.

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/dutch/dutch15.html

2. Stoffel (masculine names)

Source: Uckelman, Sara [Aryanhwy merch Catmael]. "German Names from 1495." Vita Sine Literis Mors Est, Heraldica, Names Articles, German, 2014.

http://ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/german1495.html

die

Structure: descriptive byname. The following examples demonstrate names constructed of "die" ("the") and an ordinary noun, rather than an adjective.

1. ...die Hase (1422, "the hare"); ...die Hont (1432, "the hound"); ...die Veer(1422, "the feather"); ...die Vest(1531-1532); ...die Visch(1478, "the fish"); ...die Wolf(1422, "the wolf"); ...die Zwaen(1478, "the swan")

Source: Uckelman, Sara [Aryanhwy merch Catmael]. "15th Century Dutch names: Surnames." SCA College of Arms on the Web, Name Articles, 2005. http://heraldry.sca.org/names/dutch/dutch/15surnames.html

2. ...die Perle Name accepted on the 08-2015 LoAR, with translation "The Pearl" (full name: Rita die Perle von der Wetterau)

Wafel

Wafel is the Middle Dutch word for waffle(in Middle French, "gaufre," and in Middle Low German, "waffel"). Waffles were first referenced in ca. 1180, spelled as "wāfla," (Französisches Etymologisches Wörterbuch: Eine Darstellung des Galloromanischen Sprachschatzes, 786-1400) and the spelling morphed over time to "wafel" (between 1250-1550) or "wafele."

1. Die Geïntegreerde Taal-Bank(Historische Woordenboeken op Internet). Instituut voor Nederlandse Lexicologie. 2010. <gtb.inl.nl/>*

Dictionary search terms: wafel, wāfla, and wafele.

*This is a database and dictionary of Middle and Old Dutch, run by the Netherlands Institute for Lexicology.

2. Woordenboeken. Institut voor de Nederlandse taal. <ivdnt.org>**

Dictionary search terms: wafel <ivdnt.org/zoekresultaten?q=Wafel>

**This is a dictionary with historical data, run by the Institute for the Dutch Language.

Consulting Herald: Eadwyn Inhold


12: Vigdis in Gylðir -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Atlantia LoI of November 28, 2018 as submitted.

Purpure, on a plate encircled by three wolves in annulo courant argent, a tower sable.

Consulting Herald: Ragnar Red Shark

Submission History:

This is a resubmission after the November 2018 Kingdom return of "purpure three wolves courant in annulo, a bordure argent":

This device has been withdrawn by the submitter


13: Wolfgang von Westfalen -Resub Name & Resub Device

Argent, an eagle displayed and three equal-armed crosses in chief sable.

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Wolfgang is found in "German Names from Nürnberg, 1497" by Sara L. Uckelman https://heraldry.sca.org/names/german/nurnberg1497.html. Wolfgang is masculine given name with 7 documented instances

von Westfalen is found in Umständlicher Bericht und Relationes etlicher gewester Churpfaltz geheimber vertrawtister Räth uber underschiedliche Legationes, so Anno 1620. 1621. 1622. bey der königl. Würden inn Dennemarck sie ... verrichtet ...

Published 1624

https://books.google.com/books?id=wxFCAAAAcAAJ&pg=PP23

Consulting Herald: Seraphina Delphino/Lillia de Vaux

Submission History:

This is a resubmission from the May 2018 Kingdom return of "Reitzel von Westphalia":

This name is returned for insufficient documentation. Firstly, the proposed given name is documented only as a byname, with no evidence provided to support its use as a given name. Additionally, the documentation provided for the locative does not provide evidence of the place-name being used in this spelling in period, as the sources are both modernized and normalized for a modern-English-speaking audience. While this might allow for the Lingua Anglica form "of Westphalia," it does not support the form "von Westphalia." Commenters suggested that "Westfalen" may be the period German spelling of the place-name, in which case "von Westfalen" may be plausible, but would require further supporting documentation.

Submission History:

This is a resubmission after the May 2018 Kingdom return of "Argent, an eagle displayed and three equal armed crosses in chief, sable":

The device is also being returned at this time, as we require that all armory have a name either registered or in submission with which to be associated.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/1027/2018-12-09/14-40-37_Wolfgang_von_Westfalen_Name_0012.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/1027/2018-12-09/14-40-37_Wolfgang_von_Westfalen_Name_0022.jpg


In service,

Beatrice Golden Dolphin


OSCAR counts 5 Names, 1 Name Change, 1 Household Name, 7 Devices and 5 Badges. There are a total of 19 items submitted on this letter.