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Ansteorra ILoI dated 2023-07-10

Greetings to the Heralds of the Known World, from Sigrun S. í Biarká, Asterisk Herald for the Kingdom of Ansteorra. Please find the following submitted for your valued consideration and commentary.

1: Aine MacFie -New Name (NP) & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Áine MacAfee(10/2002), Annika Iosafova (3/2018)

Sable, a bend sinister gules fimbriated within an orle argent.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language/Culture (14th / 15th century Scotland - Scots Gaelic) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Stargate

Áine -

Áine is a female given name found in Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada's quot;Index of Names in Irish Annals" (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/A...) with Annals dates of 1169, 1171, 1316, 1319, 1325, 1329, 1381, 1382, 1386, 1405, 1419, 1427, 1431, 1441, 1468. O Corrain & Maguire, p.19 sn. Aine, gives <{A/}ine> as the sole form, and states that while it became obsolete as a male name early, "it retained its popularity as a female name." meaning "radiance,

splendor, brilliance." There was an early Leinster Saint Áine.

MacFie - MacFie derived from the Common Gaelic - Mac Dhuibhshíthe Septs of the Clan: Duffie, Duffy, Duffee, MacGuffie, Machaffie Clan found in the islands of Colonsay and Oronsay in the Scottish Inner Hebrides.

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-07-10 17:56:31
We get Macfie in Black, sn MacFee - https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=14145 [ babel.hathitrust.org ] - with several period spellings.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-04 07:12:23
But not MacFie.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-07-10 18:13:35
Moving comment!

Iago ab Adam (Wreath) at 2023-07-10 18:30:14
You've commented on the name.

Áshildr inn Hárfagri at 2023-07-19 11:52:15
Closest risk of Conflict is Áine MacAfee(10/2002), but per SENA PN3C2 the difference in number of syllable in the last name should be enough difference.

Alys Mackyntoich (Ogress) at 2023-08-02 17:58:58
Ah! but PN3C4 requires that at least two letters change. Given that we currently only have MacFee documented, that is only one letter of differece from MacAFee.

Now, if we can find MacFie, that's two letters.

Alys Mackyntoich (Ogress) at 2023-08-02 18:14:45
MacFie isn't Gaelic -- it's a Scots rendering of a Gaelic name, and a modern Scots one at that. The Scots options I'm finding are:
MacPhe or MakPhe (http://www.rps.ac.uk/mss/1531/4)
MacFee (http://www.rps.ac.uk/trans/1587/7/70)
MacFeye (Black s.n. MacFee, dated to 1541)

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-04 07:42:20
The earlies I'm finding McFie/M'Fie in DOST is 1670. Nothing in period at the National Archives. Findmypast has one in 1643 but no images (it's the same as the FamilySearch entry below).

FamilySearch does have Jon. McFie chr. 1643, Glasgow, Scotland, batch C11918-5, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQHK-81M.

Alys Mackyntoich (Ogress) at 2023-08-04 07:49:54
Oh good on FamilySearch! It was being a right pain in the tuckus yesterday.

Device Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-07-10 18:32:58
The bend would need to go all the way to the edges of the shield if this is an orle. Instead, maybe let's make it: Sable, a bend sinister gules fimbriated argent, a bordure parted bordurewise argent and sable.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-02 15:01:28
I'd expect a bordure parted bordurewise to have two even divisions.

Perhaps, Sable, a bend sinister couped gules fimbriated within an orle argent.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-02 17:07:42
If the bend were couped, there would be straight lines on each end of the bend.

2: Allane Neillsune -New Name (NP)

Submitter desires a masculine name.
The following changes are allowed: authenticity for 16th century Lowland Scotland
Client requests authenticity for 16th century Lowland Scotland.
Language/Culture (Meaning language/culture - Meaning: Allan Nelson. Culture: Scottish) most important.

Submitted through the Stronghold of Hellsgate

Allane: Early 16th Century Scottish Lowland Names Men's Given Names - By Instances; from S-Gabriel, http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/lowland16/meninstances.shtml, Name taken from the "Aberdeen Council Register from the years 1500-1550" with two instances recorded in 1521.

Neillsune: Early 16th Century Scottish Lowland Names Men's Surname Names - By Instances; from S-Gabriel, http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/lowland16/surnamesinstances.shtml, Name taken from the "Aberdeen Council Register from the years 1500-1550" with two instances recorded in 1521.

Name Comments:

Áshildr inn Hárfagri at 2023-07-19 11:54:56
name appears clear of conflict!

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-02 15:05:26
The articles are not from S. Gabriel as can be told by the url. You need to cite the title and author of the article. Both elements are from "Early 16th Century Scottish Lowland Names" by Effric Neyn Ken3ocht Mcherrald.

This meets the submitter's authenticity request.

No conflicts found.

3: Ansteorra, Kingdom of -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in of at some point, .

(Fieldless) A mortar and pestle Or, charged with a Star of Ansteorra.

This submission is to be associated with Ansteorran Herbalism & Apothecary Guild

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=3445/2023-07-10/13-28-08_AHaG_BADGE_Charter.jpg

Badge Comments:

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-05 12:02:10
No conflicts found.

4: Áshildr in Hárfagra -New Household Name & New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2021, via Ansteorra.

Goblin Keep

(Fieldless) A clawed hand aversed conjoined in pale to a castle azure.

Sound (Goblin - GOB - Lynn) most important.

Submitted at Steppes Warlord consultation desk

Reaney & Wilson , A dictionary of English Surnames 3rd edition

Gobelyn: dated 1274 s.n. Goblin

FamilySearch "England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991", database, (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCV6-C3K 15 April 2023),George Goblin, 1623.

Household Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-07-10 17:58:44
For the name element Goblin, the batch number for the Family Search Record is B02853-0. I think this needs to be Goblins Keep

Iago ab Adam (Wreath) at 2023-07-10 18:28:53
That does seem to be the form supported by precedent: "As one pattern for compound placenames is the addition of a family name in the possessive form before an existing placename, Middle English Summers Kepe or Early Modern English Summers Keep can be justified as a plausible placename." [Cassandra Attewoode, 06/2011, A-Atenveldt]

Áshildr inn Hárfagri at 2023-07-19 11:30:51
as the submitter, I am more than happy to approve a change to Goblins Keep.

Iago ab Adam (Wreath) at 2023-07-10 18:20:44
The name in the FS record is almost certainly transcribed correctly.

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Badge Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-07-10 18:16:04
This is not a blazonable hand position. It is not a fist. Aversant would be the hand held up like someone swearing an oath, with the knuckles towards the viewer.

Eirik Halfdanarson at 2023-07-15 11:54:36
I agree that the hand is not blazonable as drawn.

Áshildr inn Hárfagri at 2023-07-19 14:32:21
Original drawing was pulled from pennsic traceable art, where i've found it blazoned as "dexter hand apaumy, fingers to chief". If a redraw is necessary, would it be possible to add claws to the attached emblazon found in Devises Heroiques et Emblemes on p 311? I've found this blazoned similarly, "dexter hand apaumy, fingers to dexter."

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Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-07-19 16:25:23
Being found in Pennsic Traceable Art is no guarantee of registration.

Parker's A Glossary of Terms Used in Heraldry (https://www.heraldsnet.org/saitou/parker/Jpglossh.htm#Hand) says:

Hand, (fr. main): the human hand is often borne in coat armour, though only one instance has been observed in the early rolls, and that only incidental. When no other position is mentioned it is understood to be apaumé, as in the arms of ULSTER, which came to be the badge of a baronet of Great Britain; it is borne either on an escutcheon or canton. See Baronet. Otherwise the hand may be borne dorsed (or, as it is sometimes called, aversant); or it may be in fesse, or with the fingers downwards, or clenched, or holding some object; the hand is generally couped at the wrist, and is so represented if no other description is given; sometimes, however, the blazon runs couped below, or above the wrist; generally a dexter hand is named, and it is so understood unless a sinister is specified...
Mistholme (http://mistholme.com/dictionary/hand/) tells us that other period heraldic hand positions include fist, "in birkat kohanim", and "hand of benediction".

Hands or even whole arms issuing from clouds are another related charge. Usually they either are gripping something, or often pointing. Your example from Devises Heroiques et Emblemes is a pointing hand, with the fingers drawn oddly. See some others attached here, also https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Arms_issuant_from_clouds_in_heraldry

Basically, if an artist can't reproduce your drawing from the blazon alone, it's a problem.

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Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-05 12:06:03

    (Fieldless) In pale a <description of hand> issuant from a castle azure
I really didn't identify it the charge as a hand. My first guess was a dragon's foot.

No conflicts found

5: Brendan of Wiesenfeuer -New Name (NP) & New Device

Vert a horse and hound combatant Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Submitted through the Barony of Wiesenfeuer

Edmund Campion, A Historie of Ireland, written c.1571, speaks of Saint "Brendan Abbot " on p. 44.

of Wiesenfeuer - SENA PN1B2f for using a locative name of a registered SCA branch.

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-07-10 18:00:30
We have Brendan in the DMNES in the spelling Brendon - https://dmnes.org/name/Brendan

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-02 15:15:22
However, the name submitted is Brend_a_n, not Brend_o_n.

Brendan is found at FamilySearch. Brendan Russell, male, chr. 1582, Plymouth, Devon, England, batch P00183-1, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N53J-6TP.

No conflicts found.

Device Comments:

Áshildr inn Hárfagri at 2023-07-19 14:35:30
device appears clear of conflict

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-02 15:17:46
No conflicts found.

6: Cecilia Baptista d' Arzenta -New Name Change (NP) & New Device Change

OSCAR NOTE: Filing name should match submitted item for a primary name change. It should be the new name.

Cecilia Baptista d' Arzenta

Per pale purpure and argent, two rapiers in saltire and in chief three paw prints counterchanged

Old Item: Sicillia Bielby, to be retained as an alternate name.
Old Item: Purpure, a saltire sable fimbriated between four roses argent., to be retained as a badge.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language/Culture (Must be Italian 15th cent) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Loch Soillier

Cecilia: documented from "Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names" by Arval Benicoeur,http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14.

Cecilia - Taken from https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/16thcvenice....

Cecilia - Late Period Italian Women's Names: Florence by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith) https://medievalscotland.org/jes/Nuns/Florence.shtml Dictionary of Medieval Names from European Sources

Baptista - https://dmnes.org/name/Baptist Italy Latin ● 1376 Batista (abl) DouGen1 p. 37; 1450 Bactistam (acc) VitAs2 XI; 1464 Baptista (nom) CUP-III-I CCXXXI; 1521 Baptista (abl) VitAs2 III, Baptiste (gen) ibid. III; 1527 Baptista (nom) Rome1527 p. 86

◑ 1527 Baptistinus (nom) Rome1527 p. 83 Italian ● 1513x1521 Baptista LeoX p. 12

d'Arzenta - d'Arzenta is from Talan Gwynek's "15th Century Italian Men's Names" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/ital...), which cites a Baptista 'Arzenta.

Etymology of the names is included on the submitted attached docs.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=3445/2023-07-06/10-04-03_Cecilia_B_dA_Doc__page1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=3445/2023-07-06/10-04-04_Cecilia_B_dA_Doc__page2.jpg

Name Comments:

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-05 12:18:04
I think there's a typo in the header - I don't think there should be a space after d'.

The second source is "Names from Sixteenth Century Venice" by Juliana de Luna.

The url for Talan's article was truncated. The complete url is https://heraldry.sca.org/names/italian15m.html. There's a typo in the name cited, it should be Baptista d'Arzenta.

No conflicts found. Checked for Baptista d'Arzenta (relational conflict), not found.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-05 12:18:50
Please remove the first image or redact it - it has PII.

The images don't add anything to the documentation and can removed without issue.

Device Comments:

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-05 12:11:02
Please remove the period from the old blazon when this is transferred to the LoI. OSCAR automatically adds a period when processing the submission.

7: Derfel Raven -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 2019, via Ansteorra.

Argent, a raven displayed sable and a chevron vert

Submitted through Steppes Warlord 50th Consultation Desk

Loar return 08-2019 submitted - Argent, a raven displayed sable and a chevron vert

"conflict with the device of Anne Whyte of Sedgewicke (reg. March 2005 via the East), Argent, a chevron vert, overall a tree blasted and eradicated sable. There is one DC for the change of type of the overall charge."

Device Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-07-10 17:21:40
The vert part of this device is not a chevron. It's a saltire.

Argent, a saltire vert and overall a raven displayed sable.

Sigrun Sveinungsdóttir í Biarká (Asterisk) at 2023-07-10 17:58:57
oops that was my transpose error after having read the LoAR too many times lol , thank you for the catch

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-07-10 18:20:44
Per SENA Appendix I.4 (https://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#AppendixI4): "An overall charge must have a significant portion on the field; a design with a charge that has only a little bit sticking over the edges of an underlying charge is known as "barely overall" and is not registerable."

We can't just shrink the bird to lie entirely on the saltire, because then we'd have color-on-color. It might be possible to shrink the saltire so that most of the bird is on the field.

Alternatively, the submitter might consider instead of a saltire using a field chevronelly argent and vert (or paly, bendy, barry, etc.)

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-05 12:24:13
Conflict checked as Argent, a saltire vert and overall a raven displayed sable. No conflicts found.

The issue with "barely overall" has already been pointed out, but I think a skinny saltire would resolve that.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-05 19:12:48
I think a narrower saltire works. Image #1 has with a thinner saltire, and Image #2 reverses the layering: I can definitely tell that the bird is a raven and displayed, even though the legs and body are obscured.

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8: Doshida Junshi -New Name (NP) & New Device

Chape-ploye vert and anuletty purpure and argent, in chief a marigold Or over an owl displayed argent.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound (no example given) most important.
Language/Culture (Japanese language,) most important.
Spelling (keeping a D.J. initials) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Wiesenfeuer

"Toshida" (both written 土志田 and 土信田) originates from Toshida (土支田) Village in Toshima District, Musashi Province, which once encompassed present day Tokyo, a wide area of Saitama Prefecture, and the northern part of Kanagawa. It is common practice in Japanese to swap out characters with the same sounds to affect a different meaning in a name. Some people read it as "Doshida" as 土, meaning earth, has an On reading of both "Do" and "To". While not as common, "Doshida" is an accepted variation in pronunciation with the same Japanese language spelling as "Toshida"

"National Rank Database of Surnames in Japan", Faculty of Humanities and Social Sciences, Shizuoka University. Copyright © Keiji Shirooka + Tadashige Murayama, Published: August 2011. https://web.archive.org/web/20170316130948/http://www.ipc.shizuoka.ac.jp/~jjksiro/kensaku.html. (Accessed 6/26/2023)

Jisho: the Online Japanese-English Dictionary. "土". https://jisho.org/search/%E5%9C%9F.(Accessed 6/26/23).

"Junshi" (written 遵子) comes from Fujiwara no Junshi (藤原 遵子, 957 - June 27, 1017), who was an Empress Consort of Japan to Emperor En'yuu. She lived to become the Empress Dowager and Grand Empress Dowager before her death in 1017.

Groner, Paul. Ryōgen and Mount Hiei: Japanese Tendai in the Tenth Century. pg 224. Kuroda Studies in East Asian Buddhism, May 2019. ISBN-13: 9780824881542

Name Comments:

Áshildr inn Hárfagri at 2023-07-19 11:33:33
No conflict found

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-06 17:10:05
None of the sources cited are AH Appendix H so copies (and translations) are necessary.

I'm was unable to document the name from NCMJ.

Guinevere Llywelyn at 2023-08-08 09:13:21
I was unable to get the wayback machine to cooperate with me today, so I couldn't get the last screencap. However, the Japanese version of Wikidata cited Makoto Takeuchi ed. "Dictionary on the Origins of Place Names in Tokyo" ISBN 4490106858 for the same information. I couldn't get a library to lend me an ebook version and I'm about to go on a trip, but I've ordered my own copy to arrive sometime next month.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2 3: Image 3

Device Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-07-10 18:21:30
I'm pretty sure we can't charge the "shoulders" of a chape-ployé, meaning that the annulets would need to go.

Guinevere Llywelyn at 2023-07-14 07:04:23
Are annulets considered a charge or a treatment? Would ermine also fall under the category of something that cannot go onto the shoulders of a chape-ploye?

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-07-14 11:39:11
Semé is a charge. Ermine is a fur, and that's different. She could do "purpure ermined argent".

Guinevere Llywelyn at 2023-07-15 12:04:10
She says she will change it to ermine, then. Here's the art change.

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Eirik Halfdanarson at 2023-07-15 11:58:36
I am not sure the marigold is in chief. I would expect it to overlay the field division if it were in chief.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-07-15 13:49:09
Chape ployé isn't a field division exactly. Stuff can't lie on the "shoulders".

The blazon needs adjustment also. The central area is blazoned first, then the corners (http://heraldicart.org/chape/):

Vert chape ployé purpure ermined, an owl displayed argent and in chief a marigold Or.

9: Hrafna Stórráða -New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(fieldless) a raven rising sinister sable, holding a die argent marked sable

Submitted through Steppes Warlord 50th Consultation Desk

Name submitted on June Kingdom ILoI New name change- old name Hrafn Óláfsson

Correction to Badge (2023-Jul-17 16:07:00): The Name is submitted on the June ILoI Kingdom letter and will move forward as Hræfna Stórráða, per submitter request and all documents will be updated to show this request. 7/17/2023

Badge Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-07-10 18:22:19
"...maintaining in a claw a die..."

10: Jelena al Ma'an -New Name (NP) & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Jiliana Emlin(4/1988)

Per fess azure and argent wavy, in chief a duck sable in base a wheel Or

Submitted through the Barony of Wiesenfeuer -

Jelena - is the client's name, and one element of the submitter's name may be used in their SCA name. Identified by Valid Oklahoma DL , witnessed by Deputy Herald of Wiesenfeur, and Asterisk Herald.

Al-Ma'an is a geographical nisba, or byname, referring to the city of Ma'an in southern Jordan, southwest of the capital Amman. Ma'an existed in the early 7th century, as documented in The Life of the Prophet Muhammad, when a Christian governor of Ma'an named Farwa ibn Amr al-Judhami converted to Islam and was later crucified by the Byzantines.

Kathir, Ibn. The Life of the Prophet Muhammad, Volume IV, Pg 118. Translated by Professor Trevor Le Gassick, Lebanon, Garner Publishing Limited, 2000. The Center for Muslim Contribution to Civilization, 2000. Reviewed by Dr. Muneer Fareed.

Name Comments:

Áshildr inn Hárfagri at 2023-07-19 11:36:14
no conflict found for name

Mālik ibn Jinnī (formerly Basil Dragonstrike) (Lions Heart) at 2023-07-20 23:50:45
al-Ma`an is not a properly formed locative. In Arabic, locatives are adjectives; the adjective form would be al-Ma`ānī in the masculine and al-Ma`āniyya in the feminine. Note that SENA PN.2.C says in part:

Note that name phrases submitted under the legal name allowance are considered gender neutral.
Thus, the submitter can register either form.

Note that the book cited* spells the name of the town "Mu`ān" throughout. However, The Encyclopaedia of Islam, 2nd version, in the article Ma`ān shows both spellings; I believe the submission is fine WRT al-Ma`ān, or al-Ma'an if the submitter prefers to drop macrons, etc. etc. I've included an image from the cited EI2 article.

I didn't find any conflict for Jelena al-Ma`ānī or Jelena al-Ma`āniyya

*The book is on archive.org, at:

https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=715 [ archive.org ]

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Guinevere Llywelyn at 2023-07-21 08:53:03
Thank you very much for the correction. The submitter is happy to go with Jelena al-Ma`āniyya.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-02 15:20:50
Just a note - submitters are not limited to using a single element from their legal name. They just can't use a name identical to their legal (or common use) name.

11: Johann Klaus von Heidelberg -New Name (NP) & New Device

Johann Klaus von Heidelberg

Steppes Warlord 50th Consultation Desk

Johann - appears as a given name in 15th cen. Arnsburg according to "Late Period German Masculine Given Names" by by Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/germmasc.html)

Klaus - (Klausner) Clausner 1323 Klapp- Klec pg 296 Bahlow- Gentry. Claus is found in Brechenmacher p. 51 s.n. Klaus "Koseform < Nikolaus, s. d. 1294 Uzo Gen. Claus zu E[ss]lingen"

von - von- locative construction allowed by SENA Appendix A

Heidelberg - Brechenmacher, s.n. Heidelberg(er), dates <Wecelo de Heidelberc> to 1216 and <Thomas Heidelberger> to 1553. Locative surname denoting city of origin.

Heidelberg is a German university town on the Neckar River, first referred to as Heidelberg in 1196 in a document in Schönen Monastery, according to http://www.cvb-heidelberg.de/e553/e885/index_eng.html. It is stated to be first mentioned in 12th C. as a "bulwark of the Reformation in the 16th century" in The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition, Copyright 2008, Columbia University Press. The Encyclopedia Britannica On-Line's entry for Heidelberg (http://www.britannica.com/)

confirms that this placename is "first mentioned in 1196"; the article also says that the university "was chartered by Pope Urban VI in 1386"

A map is on line at http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/ttp/mercator...#... which is dated from 1570, shows the city with the spelling Heydelberg. The i/y interchangeability is about the same in German of that time as in English.

Name Comments:

Áshildr inn Hárfagri at 2023-07-19 11:38:55
no conflict found

Device Comments:

Eirik Halfdanarson at 2023-07-15 12:01:06
The blazon is missing, Sable, a hippogriff rampant on a chief argent three chess rooks azure is my best attempt.

12: Jonathan Draco the Charioteer -New Name (NP) & New Device

Argent, a bend sinister rayonny between a phoenix issuant gules and a dragon statant gules mullet argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Meaning (I have always associated myself with dragons and I am in a mobile wheelchair) most important.

Submitted through the Stronghold of Hellsgate

Jonathan - Old Testament, I Samuel 13:2, listed in Dictionary of Medieval Names http://dmnes.org/2023/1/name/Jonathan

Draco - German given name dated to 1546, under the header Drake (Historisches Deutsches Vornamenbuch, Seibicke, Band 1 A-E, New York/Berlin 1996); Draco is a French unmarked locative byname found in Morlet Noms de famille p. 347 s.n. Dragon. The Cambridge Classical Journal,Vol. 59 (2013), pp. 29-51 (23 pages).Published By: Cambridge University Press. Carey, Chris. "IN SEARCH OF DRAKON." The Cambridge Classical Journal, vol. 59, 2013, pp. 29-51. JSTOR, https://www.jstor.org/stable/26430992. Accessed 25 Apr. 2023

Charioteer - Chariot racing declined in the seventh century, with the Empire's dwindling economy. Liebeschuetz, John Hugo Wolfgang Gideon (2003). "Shows and Factions". The Decline and Fall of the Roman City. Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0-19-926109-1 The racing factions in Byzantium continued their chariot races, though much reduced, until the imperial court was moved to Blachernae during the 12th century. Cameron, Alan (1976). Circus Factions: Blues and Greens at Rome and Byzantium. Oxford: Clarendon Press. ISBN 978-0198148043.

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-07-10 19:04:59
We need evidence that people were actually called by the occupation of charioteer. Someone with better access than myself needs to look for evidence of occupational bynames similar to 'charioteer'.

ffride wlffsdotter (Morelle) at 2023-07-13 05:47:36
There's examples of names that sound like "charioteer," but the tricky part is figuring out the modern equivalent.

"Names in the 1319 Subsidy Roll of London: Surnames" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/surlondon1319.html) has
sn. Carter
occ. from OFr charetier 'charioteer, carter'. le Charetter

MED sv. chariotēr also has:
"Definitions (Senses and Subsenses) 1. (a) A charioteer; (b) a coachman."
With one byname-looking example from a will, under (b):
"Lego Johanni chariotter unum equum del chariote." 1400
[I read of John the charioteer one horse from the chariot.]

The Yorkshire Historical Dictionary sv. charet seems to be glossing it as "chariot" over "cart" (https://yorkshiredictionary.york.ac.uk/words/charet)
But R&W gives the modern meaning as "carter" as in:
R&W sn. Carter Henry le Chareter 1222, 1225
William le Chareler, John le Charetter, le Charter, Walter le Charettier 1275
"OFr charetier `charioteer' (c1340 NED), but clearly used in English for `carter'."

So while I'd be pretty confident that a middle English byname like "le Charettier" is registerable, I'm less sure if the Lingua Societatis form in modern English would be "the charioteer," "the carter," or "the coachman."

Any of the examples above would be within 500 years of the examples of "Jonathan" in DMNES.

ffride wlffsdotter (Morelle) at 2023-07-13 06:10:20
In the registration of Leopold Draco in the April 2019 LoAR:
"The LoI documented the byname Draco as follows:

Draco is a French unmarked locative byname found in Morlet Noms de famille p. 347 s.n. Dragon.

This is an incorrect summarization of the information in Morlet. Morlet notes that Drago or Draco is a modern southern French form of Dragon, a metonymic byname for a dragonnier (carrier of a dragon standard). This citation does not provide us with any support for Draco as a period French form."

So we may need to rely on the 16th century example from Seibicke for a byname. Except, as best as I can tell, we cannot borrow German bynames into English names.

The February 2015 cover letter says:
"Commenters provided examples that appeared to show some borrowing of German given names in late period England and vice versa.... In addition, we see the borrowing of given names, but not bynames. This can be shown in the marriage records provided in commentary. Both the brides and grooms have bynames from the same language, such as when Ludwig Tilbrok married Mary Archer in England, or when Andrew Weber married Margretha Von Leiningen (the daughter of a Johan Jochem Von Leiningen). We did not find evidence of English people borrowing German bynames, or vice versa."

Reaney and Wilson do give us some English-language options, but not the exact spelling "Draco."
R&W sn. Dragon
Walter Dragun 1166
Walter Dragon 1221
le Dragon 1275 RH
"Occasionally a nickname, but usually metonymic for dragoner."

sn. Drake
Leuing Drache 1066
Robert, David Drake 1185, 1190
Wimund le Drake 1205
Geoffrey le Drak' 1225
OE draca `dragon', like OFr dragon, was used in ME of a battle-standard as well as of a serpent or a watermonster. The surname is clearly sometimes a nickname and is also metonymic for Draker `standard-bearer.'

sn. Worm
Water Wormes 1275
John le Werm, William le Wurm 1296
OE wyrm `snake, dragon'.

I hope that someone can find better documentation, otherwise I'd recommend talking to the submitter about a wholly English name like "Jonathan Drake le Charettier."

Device Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-07-10 18:23:04
The mullets are incredibly tiny. So tiny that they are pretty much unidentifiable, IMO.

Eirik Halfdanarson at 2023-07-15 12:02:44
I agree with the identifiability of the mullets.

13: Kristófórus Rauði Davíðsson -New Name (NP) & New Device

Sable, three pallets vert, fimbriated argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Meaning (Norse for Christopher Davids son) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Stargate

Kristófórus - Found both as a personal name and as a by-name, in in Old Danish And Old Swedish as Krok and in OW.Norse as Krókr. From the OW.Norse noun krókr "hook." Runic examples include the nominative forms krukr, [krukr], kurukr and the accusative forms krok, (k)(r)(u)(k), [kruk], [k--(k)], -uruk. GB p. 13 s.n. Kristófórus Viking answer Lady - http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml#k

Rauði - Byname descriptive Found in Old Danish as the by-name Røthe, in Old Swedish as the by-name Rødhe, and in OW.Norse as by-name Rauði. From the OW.Norse adjective rauðr "red." Occurs as a personal name in the accusative case form [rouþa] in Og23: "Þórlakr had this stone raised in memory of Rauði, his father, and in memory of Gunni." FJ p. 216 s.nn. Rauðr, Rauði; NR s.n. Rauði


Davíðsson - Patronimic Davíð, Dávíð - Christian, David. A diminuitive form of the name Davið is Dáði. GB p. 9 s.nn. Davíð, Dávíð; CV p. xxxiv s.v. "Pet Names"


Name Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-07-10 18:25:02
The name is correctly formed. The submitter may like to know that Christian names appeared quite late in Scandinavia, so this would be 12th c. or later.

The documentation does NOT adequately cover the byname. You cannot use a given name to document a byname. Geirr Bassi has it, and so does E.H. Lind Personbinamn

ffride wlffsdotter (Morelle) at 2023-07-13 06:11:41
Does the submitter want the name Krókr (in the documentation summary) or the name Kristófórus (in the header)?

Sigrun Sveinungsdóttir í Biarká (Asterisk) at 2023-07-15 11:33:57
Kristófórus is the name wanted - or something very close to this

Áshildr inn Hárfagri at 2023-07-19 11:43:05
name is clear of conflict- there's only one other Kristófórus registered! always cool to find a rarely-registered name.

14: Mirandus Palmerius -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 2023, via Caid.

Azure, three chevronels Or between two dolphins haurient respectant and an astrolabe argent.

This item was on the 04-2023 LoAR:


originally submitted as: Azure, two chevronels Or between two dolphins haurient respectant and an astrolabe argent.

"This device is returned for conflict with the device of Gerhard Pfister, Azure, two chevronels Or between three bear's heads erased argent. There is a single DC for changing the type of secondary charges."

After consulting with the submitter, and with Asterisk assistance in double checking for conflicts, we /believe/ that adding a third chevronel removes the conflict without introducing any new ones.

15: Patrick of Wiesenfeuer -New Name (NP) & New Device

Azure a dragon rampant maintaining a sword Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Submitted through the Barony of Wiesenfeuer

Patrick - Various forms of Patrick were used in the north of England from the 12th century onward, including "Patrick Hangangside" (1469) as cited by Josh Mittleman, Steve Roylance, and Pedr Gurteen.

Mittleman et. all. "Concerning the Names Patrick, Pádraig, Patricia, and the Like", 1998. Medieval Scotland .org. https://medievalscotland.org/problem/names/padraig.shtml#[14]. Accessed June 9th, 2023.

They cited

Withycombe, E.G., The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, 3rd ed. (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1988), s.nn. Patrick, Patricia and pp.xxxiv-xxxv. and Reaney, P. H., & R. M. Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames (London: Routledge, 1991; Oxford University Press, 1995), s.nn. Pateman, Patey, Paton, Patrick, Patten, Patterson, Pattinson, Kilpatrick.

of Wiesenfeuer - SENA PN1B2f for using a locative name of a registered SCA branch.

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-07-10 19:10:41
Better written up:

Patrick is a masculine given name found in Withycombe, sn Patrick, with dated spellings of Patrycke in 1515 and Pattrick in 1527.

of Wiesenfeuer is an SCA branch locative byname. Wiesenfeuer, Barony of was registered in June of 1993 (via Ansteorra).

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-02 15:25:06
Those examples from Withycombe do not support the submitted spelling. I would cite DMNES, s.n. Patrick, where the desired spelling is found in Early Modern English dated to 1553 and 1564.

16: Renault du Mont Saint-Michel -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2010, via Ansteorra.

Azure a dolphin urinant counterembowed embowed, and on a chief wavy Or three cinquefoils azure.

Submitted through the Barony of Wiesenfeuer -

Device returned by Laurel on LoAR November 2010

Azure, a dolphin urinant contourny and on a chief wavy Or three escarbuncles of five arms azure.

This device is returned for lack of identifiability. Commenters were unable to identify the five-armed escarbuncles. Section VII.7.a of the Rules for Submissions requires that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their appearance." There is also the question of whether or not they are period: all registrations of five-armed escarbuncles are to a single couple, in the early 1980s. Commenters were unable to find any five-armed escarbuncles in period armory.

This device is also returned because the dolphin is in trian aspect. The back and belly fins should run up the dexter and sinister side of the s-curve, not across the body of the beast.

17: Rinalda Dagunet -New Name (NP)

Sound (Rinalda sound as pronounced) most important.
Meaning (meaning for Dagunet (dagger)) most important.

Steppes Warlord 50th Consultation Desk

Rinalda 1564 [MACCARTNEY, 466] - https://heraldry.sca.org/names/scottishfem.html

Dagunet - 1210 - Reaney, Percy Hide, and Wilson, Richard Middlewood. A dictionary of English surnames. United Kingdom, Routledge, 1991. pg 839

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-07-10 18:11:02
Better written up:

Rinalda is a feminine given Scots name dated to 1564 found in A List of Feminine Personal Names Found in Scottish Records, by Talan Gwynek https://heraldry.sca.org/names/scottishfem.html

Dagunet is an English surname found in R&W, sn Daggar, Dagger, Daggers, Daggett, with the submitted spelling dated to 1210.

Per SENA Appendix C, English and Scots can be combined.

Áshildr inn Hárfagri at 2023-07-19 11:46:57
Name appears clear of conflict.

18: Tatiana Verlioni -Resub Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2009, via Atenveldt.

Per fess argent and Or chape barry Or and azure, a peacock proper, on a chief azure a canopy top argent.

Old Item: Vert semy of roses, a unicorn couchant contourny argent., to be retained as a badge.

This item was on the 01-2023 LoAR https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2023/01/23-01lar.html

"This device is returned for lack of documentation of this form of canopy. This submission would have been the defining instance of this canopy, similar to the attested ombrellino but lacking the center pole. However, while the submitter provided period examples of the canopy as depicted in art, the charge used in the device submission deviated significantly, having several significant, isolated dags, where the documented forms consistently lack them utterly, having a flat edge.

In addition, there were some problems with the documentation provided. While the sources identified the canopy as a pyx, a pyx is a small, round container that holds the host or Eucharist. The submitter's document provided no other term for the circular canopy, so it will continue to be identified as a conical canopy. From the documentation provided, a structure normally hangs from the center of the conical canopy; in only one image provided did a structure not hang beneath. This structure was missing in the submitted armory. Additional images without the structure would assist in determining how identifiable the conical canopy would be."

The previous submission was to be a DEVICE CHANGE with the previously registered device being retained as a BADGE. This remains the submitter's wish, please! Additionally, the proposed blazon remains unchanged: Per fess argent and Or chapé barry Or and azure, a peacock proper, on a chief azure a canopy argent.

RESUB written documentation begins HERE:

Canopy/Canoppie - (SENA A.2B2.a) "A constructed element as a new charge based on tools and everyday artifacts." This term was used in England as the name of conical pieces of fabric that were commonly placed above altars to cover the suspended Tabernacle known as a hanging pyx/pix. The purpose of these large canopies was to prevent even a glimpse of the pyx, which was often covered by an additional veil. Suspended canopies were frequently depicted above royalty, such as when seated upon their throne, with or without an honour cloth coming down behind. Many of these canopies were illustrated as having shreds (dags), fringe, tassels, or even bells! (See Image 6 for the design used in creating this submission)


1. "Above the pyx, King mentions that a circular tent-like canopy was also suspended. This construction can be seen in various medieval manuscripts."

https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=717 [ www.liturgicalartsjournal.com ]

2. "…During the two centuries preceding the Reformation the more usual method of reservation in England was the Hanging Pyx or Suspended Tabernacle. It was also common in some places on the Continent, especially in France, where its use was not infrequent as late as the seventeenth century. Plate 1 shows the method of suspension, though the somewhat large canopy prevents even a glimpse of the veil covering the actual pyx." (Bold type and italics added for emphasis because the canopy is a separate item from the pyx itself) This link includes a picture taken from an early fifteenth-century French MS:


3. Additional information and images for hanging pyx and their accompanying canopies may be found here:


Image descriptions and corresponding links:

IMAGE 1: An Illuminated Biblical scene of King Herod seated "… on draped throne upon platform and beneath canopy suspended from ceiling." found in a medieval Book of Hours from France, Paris, ca. 1500 known as MS H.5 (fol. 69r) located at the Morgan Library and Museum


IMAGE 2: In the Romance of Alexander Illuminated c. 1344, Bodleian Library MS. Bodl. 264, pg. 64 (fol. 21v)


IMAGE 3: Virgin Mary: Annunciation, The Morgan Library and Museum, Book of Hours, France, Paris, early 16th century MS M.1114 fol. 11r


IMAGE 4: The Presentation in the Temple, Library of Congress, Book of Hours France, Paris, c. 1524 Rosenwald MS. 10 pg. 53


IMAGE 5: Petrus Christus - The Virgin and Child with St. Barbara and Jan Vos (Exeter Virgin), ca. 1450 Oil on panel 7 5/8 x 5 1/2 in. (19.5 x 14 cm) Staatliche Museen zu Berlin Preussischer Kulturbesitz, Gemäldegalerie, Berlin

https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=718 [ www.frick.org ]

IMAGE 6: Engraving on paper designed by Étienne Delaune (1518/19-1583) - Please note: The submitted charge design was based on THIS image *minus the dangling bits suspended below the canopies) https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/collectie/RP-P-1909-1922

IMAGE 7: Dorothea von Daenmark (Dorothy of Denmark), Duchess of Brunswick-Lüneburg. DETAIL from the open altarpiece located in the Celle Palace Chapel. The altarpiece is attributed to Ludger Tom Ring the Younger - oil on panel, c. 1569. https://www.celle.travel/celle-palace/celle-palace-chapel

IMAGE 8: FULL image of the aforementioned triptych altarpiece showing the Duchess of Brunswick-Lüneburg on the right-hand side. The left-hand image shows her husband, Duke William the Younger, below a slightly different suspended canopy. The painting is attributed to Ludger Tom Ring the Younger - oil on panel, c. 1569. https://www.celle.travel/celle-palace/celle-palace-chapel

Asterisk Note: Be advised submitter has included 8 images, the system will only allow for 5 ~ Asterisk believes 6 & 8 to be important for type of canopy, the links are included in the documentation. In the event anyone needs to see #4 and #5, just request.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=3445/2023-07-06/13-45-35_Tatiana_V_Doc_IMAGE_1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=3445/2023-07-06/13-45-35_Tatiana_V_Doc_IMAGE_2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=3445/2023-07-06/13-45-35_Tatiana_V_Doc_IMAGE_3.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=3445/2023-07-10/13-53-19_Tatiana_V_Doc_IMAGE_6.jpg
#5 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=3445/2023-07-10/13-53-19_Tatiana_V_Doc_IMAGE_8.jpg

Thank you to all of the Heralds who voluntarily provide insightful and constructive commentary for our consideration ~ Huzzah to all who continue to do amazing consultation in the Art of Heraldry and Onomastics. Hat tip to: Barony of Wiesenfeuer's deputy Herald, Guinevere Llywellyn - for on point submissions and using the NEW FORMS on ALL ! And to New Herald in training from The Stronghold of Hellsgate, Jonathan Draco the Charioteer, on Point submission as well !! Yall Rock The Black Star! In Service Always Sigrun S. í Biarká

OSCAR counts 10 Names, 1 Name Change, 1 Household Name, 11 Devices, 2 Device Changes and 3 Badges. There are a total of 28 items submitted on this letter.