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Ansteorra Kingdom ILoI dated 2019-05-03

Greetings,

This is the second half of the Gulf Wars submissions.

1: Daria of Atlantia -New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(Fieldless) Between two squirrels combatant Or an acorn natural

Correction to Badge (2019-May-06 20:05:01): The name was changed to Daria Riley in 2010.

Badge Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2019-05-03 22:37:45
Fieldless badges need to have all elements touching; these aren't.

If this were something like "Two squirrels combatant Or maintaining between them an acorn proper" it might work.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:44:35
If altered in accordance with Iago's suggestion, this would be just clear of Black Icorndall, Canton of, badge reg. 01/14 via the East: (Fieldless) Two squirrels respectant sustaining between them an acorn sable.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2019-05-22 13:08:30
Daria Riley was registered in December of 2010 (via Ansteorra).
No conflict found.


2: Hanna Kirschyn -New Name & New Device

Azure, a cross argent between in bend a mullet of four points and a canary Or a base wavy argent

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language (German) most important.
Culture (German) most important.

Submitted through Steppes.

Ḥannā is found in Jewish Names in Ottoman Court Records

(16th C Jerusalem) by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Kathleen M. O'Brien) and is found 6 times. (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/Jerusalem/WomenFreq.shtml)

Kirsch is found in "Deutschland Geburten und Taufen, 1558-1898," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGBG-PHL : 10 February 2018), Katherina Kirsch, 09 Aug 1565; citing ; FHL microfilm 1,272,389., (https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3AKirsch~%20%2Bbirth_ye ar%3A1550-1575~). There are many entries in this batch.

Kirschyn is formed following a pattern in Women's Surnames in 15th- and 16th-Century Germany by Sara L. Uckelman known in the SCA as Aryanhwy merch Catmael.

The pattern of combining Jewish name elements with German surnames is documented in Jewish Names from 14th C Breslau (Wrocław) by Sara L. Uckelman known in the SCA as Aryanhwy merch Catmael.

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2019-05-06 01:52:43
SENA Appendix C notes:
"Special: Jewish names documented from location X are registerable with (1) other names documented from the languages for that language group and (2) with other Jewish names documented from other parts of Europe"

A name found in 16th century Jerusalem doesn't seem to be compatible with a name from 15th century Germany.

However, Baltic and German language groups are compatible, and in:
Alma Ragauskaitė (2014) "Kauno moterų asmenvardžiai XVI-XVII a. lietuvių istorinės antroponimijos kontekste" [Personal Names of Kaunas Women in the Context of Lithuanian Historical Anthroponymy in the 16th-17th Centuries] Kauno istorijos metraštis 14: 7-17
(https://www.ceeol.com/search/article-detail?id=144176)
it has on page 15:
Hanna Andrʒeiowna, 1604

1: Image 1 2: Image 2

ffride wlffsdotter at 2019-05-06 02:25:39
And another Baltic/Polish example from Joniškis (today in northern Lithuania):
Alma Ragauskaitė (2015) "Seniausios Lietuvoje 1599-1621 metų Joniškio krikšto metrikų knygos joniškiečių moterų asmenvardžiai lietuvių istorinės antroponimijos kontekste" [Personal Names of Joniškis Women from the Oldest Lithuanian Baptismal Register of Joniškis of 1599-1621 in the Context of Lithuanian Historical Anthroponymy] Acta Linguistica Lithuanica 73: 55-81.
(https://www.ceeol.com/search/article-detail?id=586948)
pp. 60-1
Hanna Stasiowa Syrukciowa, 1617 (Latin)
p. 61
Hanna Stanisławowna Stypinakaẏciowna, 1618 (Latin)
Hanna Andrʒeiowna, 1618
p. 73
Hanna Kunigielowna, 1604
as well as:
p. 59
Anna Ciues, 1599 (Latin)
Ańna Kowalowa, 1621
p. 61
Anna powiłaiciowa, 1621
Annâ, 1600

So the given names haven't been normalised by the looks of things.

ffride wlffsdotter at 2019-05-06 04:02:02
And finally, if the submitter wants to mix a Hebrew name with a German byname, there is "Channa" and variations attested in Polish-Lithuanian sources.

Jūratė Čirūnaitė (2012) "XVI amžiaus Lietuvos Didžiosios Kunigaikštystės žydžių moterų vardynas." [Anthroponyms of Jewish women in the 16th century Grand Duchy of Lithuania] Respectus Philologicus 21(26):200-207
(https://www.ceeol.com/search/article-detail?id=209329)
p. 203 has:
Channa żydowka (Polish)
жоне Аврамове Ганъне (Ruthenian, dative singular) [zhone Avramove Han"ne], the expected nominative form would Han"na, but I am uncertain if German/Ruthenian is an acceptable language combination.

Juetta Copin at 2019-05-14 01:34:23
Beider s.n. Khane has multiple instances of the spelling Hanna in or near Germany: c. 1325 Cologne, 1345 Silesia, before 1408 Erfurt, 1410 Vienna, 1581, 1582 Hessen.

ffride wlffsdotter at 2019-05-14 02:31:30
Even better!

Magnus von Lübeck at 2019-05-22 16:18:23
No conflict found under Hanna or Anna. Lovely name.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:45:27
Docs check out.

Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2019-06-06 11:24:58
The article from which the feminine construction is documented has only one example of the -yn spelling that has the same vowel in the base name, and it is also spelled with Y: Wydmanyn. I would conclude that it is a scribal choice, and either all the Is should be Ys (Wydman is an unusual spelling of Widman, which is already an unusual spelling of Weideman, says Bahlow), or they should be Is. Kirsch 'cherry' is a common noun, and very productive of both plain and compound bynames, and Bahlow has zero examples spelled with a y, so I suggest that the name should be submitted as Kirschin.

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2019-05-03 22:39:18
We need a line drawing that doesn't have the azure bits coloured in sable.

Iago ab Adam at 2019-05-03 22:41:46
We've never registered a canary before. Documentation will be required.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2019-05-04 16:56:18
There's nothing that specifically makes this a canary, why don't be just blazon it as a songbird Or?

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-05-04 20:37:07
Haven't done that since '82, so "songbird" might equally require documentation.

In the form "canary bird", the OED has in that entry

1562 W. Turner 2nd Pt. Herball f. 85 They that brought Canari burdes out of Spayn brought of ye sede of Phalaris also to fede them with.
And plain canary, n.5, puts it in our gray period, in 1622. For spelling, both record -y in the 1600s.

For "songbird", the first two citations are
1573 in F. G. Emmison Essex Wills (1994) (modernized text) [emphasis added] IX. 151 To my wife and daughter..all my savnge birds to be equally divided.
1675 J. Blagrave New Additions Art Husbandry (new ed.) 80 I do esteem some of them to be very fine pleasant Song-Birds.
I cannot say what would have been modernized in "savnge birds".

Maryna Borowska at 2019-05-10 05:10:01
Why not just blazon it "bird"? I don't see (or know of) any differences between generic heraldic bird and the submitted art.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2019-05-22 18:04:03
Usually we want the specific period heraldic bird rather than a generic bird for conflict difference purposes. Canaries are in the Finch family and this doesn't look like a finch. The closest I came up with was a martlett with legs.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-05-04 20:38:13
I hope we can get the headmatter fixed so we don't have intrusive itals in our posts.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2019-05-22 16:26:35
OSCAR is ignoring and removing my attempts to get my post out of italics. Once my comment italicised half a LoI and we never figured out how it happened.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:46:39
Agree with Orle about the canary. No conflicts found.


3: Isenholz, Canton of -New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister wavy Or and azure seme of acorns inverted slipped and leaved Or, a stag rampant contourny within a laurel wreath azure

Isenholz is submitted as a constructed place name. Isen- is a productive German element meaning iron, and wood is an attested locative. The modern spelling Eisenholz is the German term for ironwood. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenholz

The modern spelling eisen- does not seem to be common in period. Bahlow, Hans. Deutsches Nameslexikon. has the following dated examples:

s.n. Eisendberg, Ysendberg 1332

s.n. Eisengrein, Isegrim 1150

s.n. Eisenhauer, Isenhouwer 1419

s.n. Eisnehut, Isenhut 1296

s.n. Eisenwinder, Isenwinder 1500

Asterisk note: There was an issue with the Letter of Support. The Letter is being redone.

Correction to Name (2019-May-06 20:05:24): A corrected petition has been received and will be uploaded to OSCAR for Laurel's consideration.

Name Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2019-05-04 16:57:48
We also need a set of at least three examples of placenames in <-holz> that support combining it with something like <Isen->.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-05-04 20:46:36
Just so nobody else follows the false trail: What Google transcribes for https://books.google.com/books?id=oGpnAAAAcAAJ, Arithmetica philosophica, oder schöne as "Isenholz wird verglichk" is actually "pl.36 cub.pl.7 wird ...".

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-05-04 20:51:53
I suppose we could instead have a period citation for Eisenholz and argue the spelling variability. Not that I've found any; a few cases in Google books of "Eisen/Holz/...", but those don't help.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2019-05-22 22:49:11
There may be an easier way to get to this name using the old German name Isenbold. I will have to assemble the steps.

Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2019-06-06 11:41:29
I disagree; I didn't bother, because -holz- is a totally common and expected form of the element; Isen- was what needed support. If you'd like me to run dates on (the many instances of) Buchholz, Diepholz, Osterholz, etc., I'll do it. Bahlow has "im Holz" from 1355, with the comment, you know, Geholz, Wald, etc.

ffride wlffsdotter at 2019-05-06 03:03:53
Given the heraldry, do they want "Eichenholz"? Because that does appear in pre-1650 field names:
sn. Eiche-Holz-Berg (https://www.lagis-hessen.de/en/purl/resolve/subject/fln/id/787878)
ane dem Eichenholtzberge, 1489
sn. Eiche-Holz (https://www.lagis-hessen.de/en/purl/resolve/subject/fln/id/145963)
Vfm Eichenholtz, 1579

Interestingly, there are also examples of Eisenbusch (ie. "Iron bush," "Iron scrub"):
sn. Eisen-Busch (https://www.lagis-hessen.de/en/purl/resolve/subject/fln/id/57246)
[Acker] obig dem Eisen Pusch, 1590
[Acker] vnder dem Eisen Puschs, 1590
But by and large the Iron- field names seem to relate to holes and pits of various sizes.

Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2019-06-06 11:42:34
No, they really want Ironwood.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:47:45
No conflicts found.


4: Leonard Kirsch -New Name & New Device

Azure, in bend an equal aremed Celtic cross and a lion sejant Or a base embattled argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language (Germany) most important.
Culture (Germany) most important.

Submitted through Steppes

Leonard is found in "Deutschland Geburten und Taufen, 1558-1898," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDBP-7HK : 11 February 2018), Leonard Heuerss, 19 Mar 1588; citing ; FHL microfilm 560,480.

Kirsch is found in "Deutschland Geburten und Taufen, 1558-1898," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGBG-PHL : 10 February 2018), Katherina Kirsch, 09 Aug 1565; citing ; FHL microfilm 1,272,389. There are multiple entries in this batch.

Name Comments:

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2019-05-07 09:40:12
Leonard batch # C98018-1. Kirsch batch # C93506-3.

Device Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2019-05-04 17:05:40
This is the disallowed gunsight cross, not a Celtic cross. For discussion of the "gunsight cross" and appropriate depictions of Celtic crosses, please see the Cover Letter for the July 2018 LOAR (https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2018/07/18-07cl.html)

Maryna Borowska at 2019-05-10 05:14:21
I disagree - this is the "cross potent interlaced with an annulet" form described in that same letter as acceptable. However, since that is two charges, it sends us into slot machine territory.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2019-05-10 10:21:30
What is deemed acceptable is a cross potent throughout interlaced with an annulet. If it isn't throughout, it isn't the documented form, and instead looks like any of a range of white supremacist symbols.

Maryna Borowska at 2019-05-13 12:57:03
Thank you, I hadn't caught that throughout was specified in that ruling.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:49:09
"equal-armed" The lion appears to be rampant rather than sejant. No conflicts found.


5: Miriel atte Linde -New Name & New Device

Vert, a semy of linden leaves inverted Or

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Meaning (things with linden leaves) most important.
Spelling (melodious sounding mean) most important.

Miriel - cited as a feminine given name, 1205- 1207 http://heraldry.sca.org/names/reaneyHZ.html

atte Linde - is a surname found in Reaney and Wilson, p. 280 (s.n. Lind) cite Richard atte Lynde 1275/ the i/y shift is commonplace

Name Comments:

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2019-05-07 07:45:58
Docs check out. The dates for Miriel: 1205, 1207. R&W s.n. Lind shows Robert de la Linde 1185 and Richard atte Lynde 1275.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:50:18
Given name doc checks out.

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2019-05-03 22:44:42
Just 'semy', not 'a semy'. And we don't need the comma.

Vert semy of linden leaves inverted Or.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:50:55
"Semy" means "sprinkled". You wouldn't say, "a sprinkled". No conflicts found.


6: Pieter Rausch -New Name & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Peadrus Ocie(10/1984), Peter Rhys (10/2011), Pietro Sega (3/2002)

Argent, on a pale between two axes sable, a pair of tongs inverted Or, overall flames issuant from base proper

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Spelling most important.

Pieter - hhttp://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/dutch/bynamesE14.html

Pieter is noted as a "more common" masculine name and the page dates the names from the source as being "a collection of Dutch trade documents with listings from 1358 - 1361"

Rausch - Bahlow's "German Names" s.n. Rausch means "noisy, impetuous person" gives no dates, however ibid s.n. Rauscher dates a name "Nic Rauscher 1397"

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:51:54
Given name doc checks out. Had a classmate in the 60's whose name was Rausch. (Not that that's especially helpful here.)

Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2019-06-06 11:47:35
Family Search has dozens of 16th c. Rausch examples. Here's one:

Johannes Rausch Gender Male Christening Date 21 Jan 1584 Christening Place Wangen (Stuttgart), Württemberg, Germany Father's Name Johannes Rausch Mother's Name Hedwig

Indexing Project (Batch) Number C93226-1

Device Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2019-05-04 17:08:15
Do we have evidence in period armory of a base or charge issuant from base overall a primary ordinary?

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-05-04 21:16:43
I don't.

Although http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#AppendixID declares, "We do not allow overall charges to overlie peripheral ordinaries, except as an Individually Attested Pattern" there's nothing there regarding the current case. However, I'm not sure that proves, or even suggests, anything.

We have three times registered such a motif--if you count the saltire, which has a visually different effect--none recently:
William of Portsmouth (June 1975), Azure, a cross Or, overall a mountain argent issuant from base.
Freowulf of Stromwald (Jul 1985), Per saltire argent and sable, a saltire gules, overall a tree issuant from base proper.
Jeffrey of Meridies (Oct 1994), Sable, on a pale Or a lion rampant gules, issuant from base a demi-sun overall argent.

Ansteorra has some arms each with a crown and a tressure and overall issuant from base a demi-sun gules, which I don't suppose need debruise more than the tressure.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2019-05-04 21:19:17
Our red sun is overlying the peripheral tressure, so not quite the same. But I expect this may come up in Big OSCAR commenting, so it would be good to think about.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:53:16
No conflicts found. If the flames were overall, they would surmount all the other charges, not just the pale.

Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2019-06-06 11:56:22
Well, this is the least offensive design he has come up with, and it only bothers me because I know what he intends. (I might need another shower, though.) But yes, the flames overlying the pale could certainly be argued against on heraldic grounds, not merely that it's meant to represent burning someone at the stake. The tongs are also not there to suggest smithing.

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2019-06-06 12:36:28
I would never figured out any of that from this design. Offense is not dependent on intent so I don't think we should consider the intent for those purposes. (That said.... ew.)

Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2019-06-06 12:20:04
Okay, consider the submission of Baltasar Cerrada de Barcelona: https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=53085

It was pointed out that there is a longstanding precedent against ordinaries of flame, and he was forced to significantly reduce the size and number of tongues of the BBQ. This submission will fall afoul of the same argument.

Elena Wyth at 2019-06-06 12:24:00
#1 the original submission Pympernell is referencing, #2 the registered device.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2

Elena Wyth at 2019-06-06 12:27:14
The current submission looks to me like a base of flames, not flames issuant from base.

and yes, the overall design is very on-the-nose.


7: Pieter Rausch -New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

A letter P sable conjoined to four feathers in pale fesswise

Badge Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2019-05-03 22:46:04
Is this intended as a fieldless badge?

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-05-04 21:22:06
It must be, if the color emblazon is correct. Provisionally (and convenient for cut-&-paste if correct) blazon:

(Fieldless) In fess four feathers in pale fesswise reversed argent conjoined to a letter P sable

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-05-04 21:43:24
Actually, these feathers are somewhere between fesswise and fesswise embowed. This may incur an Artist's Note, a return (or perhaps instead redrawing at Laurel level if the recent proposal is implemented), or no problem at all.

If this were my client, I'd counsel a redraw.

Eirik Halfdanarson (Asterisk) at 2019-05-06 20:06:15
The blazon is exactly what was on the form. I did not want to assume the fieldless, but it would seem to be the intent.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:54:23
The tincture of the feathers is missing. No conflicts found. Presumably this is intended to be "(Fieldless) A capital letter "P" sable conjoined to four feathers in pale fesswise argent"

Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2019-06-06 12:02:46
Really? Four white feathers? Cry me a river. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Feathers

I know we don't make the ob mod calls in kingdom, but it's worth noting that we noticed. Well, _I_ noticed. Book published in 1902, movies made MANY times, most recently 2002 with Heath Ledger, though no one has beaten the 1939 classic.


8: Ranulph de Saint Clair -New Name & New Device

Argent, a cross engrailed sable between four pellets

No major changes.
Spelling (spelling of last name is most important) most important.

This is a Scots name

Ranulph: This is a header form in Alys Mackgntoich, "Names from 13th Century Scottish Parliamentary Records" (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/Namesfrom13thCenturyScottishParliamentaryRecords.html)

de Saint Clair - William De St Clair appears in "Appendix: Sherrifs of the Shire of Edinburgh", Extracts from the Records of the Burgh of Edinburgh, 1403 - 1528 (1869) pp. 295-298

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/edinburgh-burgh-records/1403-1528/pp295-298

St is a scribal abbreviation for Saint.

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:55:12
The header form in Alys' article is marked as the "Modernized form". The recorded spelling is "Ranulphi", dated 1255. William De St Clair was Sheriff in 1264, so good temporal match.

Device Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2019-05-04 17:09:32
This is the engrailed equivalent to "pinking shears" indented. The engrailments need to be fewer and larger. Not sure if it merits a return or an artist's note.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-05-04 21:39:34
The submissions below were each returned for what Laurel called "pinking shear" effects. (There have been similar others not using that phrase.) In each case there are about 14 shallow repeats across the shield. Here, there are 6 on each horizontal arm, which would make about 15 if not interrupted by the vertical arms.

I therefore believe this submission is returnable, rather than artist's note material.

The images are respectively from https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=54200 for Elison Sonderland, https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=87369 for Myndee of South Downs, https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=88234 for Albrecht Götz, and https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=45834 for Balthazar Knopf.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2 3: Image 3 4: Image 4

Magnus von Lübeck at 2019-05-22 22:41:36
This is about the bare minimum you can get away with a cross engrailed and still get it registered. The current submission needs big and bold engrailing. It is best to fix this problem in kingdom rather than to get it returned by Laurel.
No conflict found.

1: Image 1

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:57:00
No conflicts found. Agree with Orle's and Gerard's comments.

Kryss Kostarev at 2019-06-03 12:25:41
Here is an emblazon with a different engrailed cross. If this is acceptable to the college, will someone contact the submitter and see if they will accept it?

1: Image 1 2: Image 2


9: Riuaun de Deresloyn -New Name & New Device

Azure, a panther argent pellety incensed proper and on a chief argent three caltrops sable

No major changes.
Language (Welsh) most important.

Riuaun - given name, found in the charters of the Abbey of Ystrad Marchell 1176-1283 by Constanza of Thamesreach (Genny Grim). Found 3 times with this spelling, dated 1176, 1183, and 1187. https://s-gabriel.org/names/constanza/ystradmarchell-given.html

de Deresloyn - Locative byname, the Latinized form of Dryslwyn Castle in Llandeilo, Wales. Found in the Annales Cambriae "Annals of Wales." p. 109

https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=SSgJAAAAIAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA109

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:57:20
Docs check out.

Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2019-06-06 12:30:17
Dryslwyn Castle is named for the brambles and thorns around it. The caltrops are to represent "blackthorn". Be grateful she is going with Latin instead of the 1567 Welsh spelling "y Dyrysllwyn". http://welsh-dictionary.ac.uk/gpc/gpc.html

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2019-05-03 23:03:49
The flames are Or, not proper. And based on recent registrations of this charge I think we need a posture (I think the assertion about default in Mistholme is referring to English panthers being the default panther, not the posture):

Azure, a panther rampant gardant argent pellety incensed Or and on a chief argent three caltrops sable.

Eirik Halfdanarson (Asterisk) at 2019-05-06 20:12:40
The Glossary of Terms lists the following for the default position of panthers:

Guardant; body posture must be specified

Iago ab Adam at 2019-05-06 20:37:30
Actual practice contradicts that.

Image 1: Ynés Balam, registered in April of 2016 (via the East) as Or, a panther salient contourny sable spotted argent and incensed gules, a bordure gules estoilly Or.

Image 2: Caer Anterth Mawr, Barony of, registered in June of 2016 (via Northshield) as (Fieldless) A panther passant gardant contourny sable spotted of diverse tinctures and incensed proper.

Image 3: Séamus Blaer de Maxwell, registered in October of 2016 (via Atlantia) as Argent, a fret and on a chief sable a panther passant gardant argent incensed proper and spotted of diverse tinctures.

Image 4: Giuliana da Castiglione, registered in July of 2017 (via An Tir) as Per pale argent and purpure, a panther rampant guardant spotted counterchanged incensed gules, a bordure counterchanged.

Image 5: Dýrfinna Sigurðardóttir, registered in October of 2018 (via the East) as Gules, a panther rampant Or spotted sable maintaining a sword inverted, a bordure Or.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2 3: Image 3 4: Image 4 5: Image 5

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:58:31
No conflicts found. Panthers are guardant by default, so agree with Iago's blazon with "guardant" omitted.

Iago ab Adam at 2019-05-14 13:14:27
The Glossary says the default is guardant, but actual practice contradicts that. See my reply to Asterisk above.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2019-06-01 13:10:13
The Glossary probably belongs to Palimpsest for maintenance purposes, so I'd suggest noting the registered examples that contravene the Glossary, and ask that Wreath/Laurel consider and resolve the contradiction.

It's darn hard to blazon something as being not-guardant, even if that is the default.


10: Sibil atte Wode -New Name & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Sibyl O'Dowd(2/1998)

Sable, a tree stump eradicated and in chief a cat's eye argent irised vert

Submitted through Bjornsburg

Sibil is found in Feminine Given Names in

A Dictionary of English Surnames by Talan Gwynek, Fause Losenge Herald Extraordinary (Brian M. Scott) Sibil is dated to 1275.

atte Wode is found in Names in the 1319 Subsidy Roll of London: Surnames by Sara L. Uckelman known in the SCA as Aryanhwy merch Catmael. atte Wode is found 1 time.

Name Comments:

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2019-05-07 07:38:36
Additional given name info from the website - Sibil 1275 Edmond; 1332 Partrick https://heraldry.sca.org/names/reaneyHZ.html

atte Wode url http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/surlondon1319.html

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:58:48
Docs check out.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2019-05-22 06:53:45
No conflict found.

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-05-04 21:56:45
I think this eye is about as large as a secondary charge can be, but not returnably big. What say you all?

Alona Ezquerra at 2019-05-11 08:50:04
Concur. And may I add that i'm getting a Night Vale vibe from this device, but it's far from obtrusively modern.

Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2019-06-06 12:35:52
I disagree. Being chiefmost, and with the green iris to draw attention, I think the eye is the first thing you see. And it sees me. <shudder>

And yes, the whole thing is a little wiggy since the given name is also a common noun for a seeress, but whatever. Not the hill I want to die on.

c1450 De CMulieribus (Add 10304)1163,1181 : Anodyr sybyll, a divyne prophetyss Callid Almathea..descrybede is..of this sybyll..Virgyle seith, she ledd Eneas To Hell, there Anchises, his fader, was.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 12:59:15
No conflicts found.


11: Þóra Vargr -New Name & New Device

Azure, in bend sinister an increscent and a wolf's head couped contourny within an orle argent

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Culture (Norse) most important.
Meaning (Vargr - wolf) most important.

Þóra is found in Geirr Bassi Haraldsson. The Old Norse Nameon page 16. Þóra is listed as a feminine given name.

Vargr is found in Lind, E. H. Norsk-Isländska Personbinamn Från Medeltiden Samlade Ock Utgivna Med Förklaringar in column 398. Vargr is listed as a surname and means wolf.

Submitted through Loch Sollier

Name Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2019-05-04 22:41:12
<Vargr> is not listed as a surname. It is a byname which is not the same thing.

The term <vargr> is pejorative: it does mean "wolf" but also connotes an outlaw. The Norse did not see wolves as noble animals, but rather as killers of livestock.

As Michael Gerard Curtememoire said, might be a good idea to pass that info along to the submitter. She may not care, but if she does, we can help there too.

Brian O'hUilliam (Bordure) at 2019-05-08 23:56:02
Submitter is aware of the connotation and fine with it.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 13:02:40
I often shake my head about the popularity of wolves and ravens in Society heraldry when their image in period was that of scavengers of the slain in battlefields.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2019-05-22 04:55:00
No conflict found.

Device Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2019-05-04 17:11:54
Moved to correct place.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-05-04 21:59:14
We generally allow gentles to make such choices for themselves, but making submitter aware of the implication would be a service to her.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2019-05-04 22:16:30
Exactly.

Iago ab Adam at 2019-05-04 22:33:55
These comments should really all be under the Name discussion.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 13:00:46
No conflicts found

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 13:03:38
I often shake my head about the popularity of wolves and ravens in Society heraldry when their image in period was that of scavengers of the slain in battlefields.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2019-05-22 05:26:04
No conflict found.


12: Þrostr Ulfreksson -New Name & New Device

Per pale azure and Or, on a pale argent between a bear Or and a wolf combatant, a sword sable

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language most important.
Culture (Norse) most important.

Þrostr - Geirr Bassi, pg. 17 " Þrostr "

Ulfreksson - Lena Peterson. Nordiskt runnaumnslexikon. "UlfriKR"; Geirr Bassi pg.7 "AlrekR" (-reKR_ as second name element) Geirr Bassi pg. 17 - genitive case formation for names ending in -r, drop terminal -r, replace with s (ex. Grimr to Grimsson)

Name Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2019-05-04 17:13:07
The name is correctly formed.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2019-05-22 01:53:08
Þrǫstr is the form in Geirr Bassi and the o replaces the o-ogonek. The accents are dropped in the patronymic. No conflict found.

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2019-05-03 23:06:58
Thw bottom of the shield is cut off.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-05-04 22:02:17
Azure + Or + pale + argent + bear + wolf + sword + sable = 8, our maximum unexceptionable complexity count.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 13:04:12
No conflicts found.


13: Valka Flokadottir -New Name & New Device

Gules, a seadog rampant and on a chief argent three trident heads sable

Sound (Valka) most important.
Language (Scandanavian) most important.
Culture (Scandanavian) most important.

Valka is found on the Viking Answer Lady web site. under Valgerðr "A short form of Valgerðr is Valka. GB pp. 15; FJ pp. 347, 349; CV pp. xxxiv s.v. "Pet Names"; CV pp. 197, 675, 676 s.v. Gerðr, Valir, valr" and can be found at http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml.

Flokadottir expected feminine patronymic of Floki in Geir Bassi.

Submitter's Note: Submitter would accept Valgerđr (from Geir Bassi) if is somehow unacceptable.

Name Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-05-04 22:15:21
Sometime between https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1984/04/cl.htm and SENA http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#PN1B2b1, "Diminutives Constructed from Given Names", anything against the use of pet names not known to be used as independent given names in period seems to have died. So assuming the documentation is as represented, <Valka> is acceptable.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 13:04:56
Given name doc checks out. Surname looks OK.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2019-05-22 00:51:49
The source Gunnvôr gives for Valka is Cleasby, Richard and Guðbrandr Vigfusson. An Icelandic-English Dictionary. 2nd ed. Oxford: Clarendon. 1957 pp. xxxiv s.v. "Pet Names". This should be fine.
Let's see if we can fix the docs for the last name. Geir Bassi page 9 Flóki men's given name and page 17 for the formation of Flókadóttir. All of the accents can be dropped.
No conflict found.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-05-14 13:05:15
No conflicts found.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2019-05-22 01:12:02
Blazon as sea-dog. No conflict found. The three trident heads are drawn slightly different from each other.

Iago ab Adam at 2019-05-22 12:38:30
They all look like trident heads, which is really all that matters. It's nice to see hand-drawn art.


Thanks to Villana for her assistance.

In Service,

Eirik Halfdanarosn


OSCAR counts 11 Names, 11 Devices and 2 Badges. There are a total of 24 items submitted on this letter.