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Ansteorra Kingdom ILoI dated 2018-12-31

Hope the new year is a great one

1: Antonio Solario -New Name & New Device

Sable, a cornucopia bendwise sinister inverted and in chief four torches argent enflamed proper

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Antonio - https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/16thcvenice.html

Solario - https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14

Name Comments:

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2019-01-06 05:28:19
Nice name. Docs check out. Looks clear of conflict. The url for the surname is https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/venice14sur.html#table

Unless it has changed, the only No Photocopy St. Gabriel articles are at https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/ (articles by Dame Juliana de Luna).

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-01-21 10:49:32
Docs check out.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-01-21 10:49:59
No conflicts found. I've not seen this sort of torch before.

Iago ab Adam at 2019-01-21 11:04:12
The torches are straight out of Mistholme: http://mistholme.com/?s=Torch

Brian O'hUilliam (Bordure) at 2019-01-22 13:29:37
I'm concerned about the orientation of the cornucopia. Is it too far down and not angled enough for bendwise sinister?

Emma de Davyntre at 2019-01-30 23:28:54
I can possibly do a redraw to make the cornucopia more angled. When I was going through with the Heraldry Chat they stated that it would be bendwise, but I can adjust it as needed.


2: Ingriðr Ulfsdottir -New Name & New Device

Argent, a chevron inverted purpure charged with two wolves bounding inward Or between two bows with arrows drawn pointed to center purpure

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Meaning most important.

Ingriðr - The Old Norse name by Geirr Bassi Haraldsson Pg 12 found in the Book of Settlement

Ulfr = The Old Norse name by Geirr Bassi Haraldsson Pg 15 found in the Book of Settlement

Dottir - The Old Norse name by Geirr Bassi Haraldsson pg 17. Dropping the "R" from UlfrikR adding the "s" and adding dottir to make (Ulfriksdottir)

Name Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2019-01-06 19:47:44
The patronymic is actually <Úlfsdóttir>. If the submitter wishes to drop the accents, she can do so.

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2019-01-02 14:47:21
Putting things in the right order, and fixing the descriptions of the bows and wolves, we could perhaps use:

Argent, on a chevron inverted between two drawn bows with arrows nocked fesswise strings outward purpure two wolves courant respectant Or.

The skinniness of the wolves makes them difficult to identify. I was guessing greyhound until I zoomed in.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-01-03 12:06:08
If the wolves are, as I believe, unidentifiable at 20:1 viewing distance, the submission must be returned.

What say you all; are they identifiable?

Rohese de Dinan at 2019-01-12 10:57:17
I thought they were some kind of weird tree branches at first glance.

Annais de Montgomerie at 2019-01-21 21:09:25
I wasn't really sure what the tertiaries were at first glance. Upon second glance, I thought forked tree branch thingy but not dowsing rod. Upon closer third study, I thought Greyhound or Great Dane. Not until I read the comments and the blazon did I realize that they are wolves.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-01-03 12:09:17
Maister Iago's reblazon in the previous subthread here avoids blazoning the two bows separately and thus incurring a Unity difficulty. Can we expect that blazon to be accepted by our Sovereigns?

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-01-21 10:50:50
It's clear to me on first glance that the tertiaries are canids of some sort, but it takes close inspection to identify them as wolves. I understand why they're drawn this way, but wonder if stretching them out just a little less would help. No conflicts found.

Eirik Halfdanarson (Asterisk) at 2019-01-30 14:44:28
I have problems with identifying the wolves and my housemate couldn't I'd them as wolves, but did I'd them as dogs. Either we return for identifiably or reblazon as dogs.

Emma de Fetherstan (Temperaunce) at 2019-02-07 20:52:06
There's definitely identifiability problems with the tertiary charges here (although the bows are nicely big and bold), but there's likely also a problem with the height of the chevron inverted. As drawn, it's far more on the top half of the field than nicely centered. It is very difficult (if not practically impossible) to get a charge beneath the point of a chevron inverted. Drawing it more shallowly might help.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-02-08 15:04:29
Note http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2018/11/18-11cl.html#1, "From Wreath: Call for Documentation on Single Items Above a Chevron or Per Chevron Line of Division". The difficulty of emblazoning the inverse arrangement is even greater than for what's discussed there.

In any case, I believe that (whatever the verdict on the wolves) this chevron inverted should be returned at this level as clearly not meeting the guidelines of http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2011/05/11-05cl.html. Unless we can blazon

Argent, on a chevron inverted enhanced between two drawn bows with arrows nocked fesswise strings outward purpure two wolves courant respectant Or

The O&A's two registrations of a chevron inverted enhanced are dated Nov 1980 (Lysbeth Poulsdottir) and Jul 1986 (David Trueheart), so the prior art isn't much help.


3: Keziah Harper -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound most important.

Keziah - Old Testament book of Job 42:14 Second daughter of Job.

Meaning: cinnamon tree. Also spelled Kizia

Harper - Last name allowance.

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9DL-D26 : 10 February 2018, Margery Harper, ); citing - 2:3M5VTRK, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 1,068,982.

Name Comments:

Kolosvari Arpadne Julia at 2019-01-02 15:26:44
Withycombe s.n. Keziah: "Used since the 17th C, especially in Evangelical circles; one of the Wesleys was named Keziah." Has the submitter provided any evidence that Withycombe was wrong, and the name was used within the SCA's period?

Harper is a surname dated to 1490 in Julian Goodwyn's "Brass Enscription Index"(http://heraldry.sca.org/names/brasses/lastnameAH.html#H).

Brian O'hUilliam (Sable Crane) at 2019-01-03 11:47:41
We can remove the family name allowance and easily make this a late period English name in Huntingdon or Essex.

KEZIAH:
Keziah Gaile, christened 7 Dec 1600, Offord-Darcy, Huntingdon, England. Batch # C16893-1 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSGV-BPV

Keziah Ketriche, christened 1601, Colchester, Essex, England. Batch no. K12011-1 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N15G-RYN)

HARPER:
Dennis Harper, christened 24 Dec 1599, Great Waltham, Essex, England. Batch # C01319-1. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3DR-Z9W

Katheren Harper, christened 05 September 1551, Colchester England, Batch # K13795-3 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKNK-1LP

Alyce Harper, christened 15 Jan 1589 at Alconbury-Weston, Huntingdon, England. Batch # C16851-1 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7H2-YRD

I did not find any conflicts.

Kolosvari Arpadne Julia at 2019-01-26 20:37:27
Those do look rather like Keziah to me (snippets attached).

1: Image 1 2: Image 2

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-01-21 10:51:09
Docs check out.


4: Stephan Dracos -New Device

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Argent, a semi og gules over all a dragon guardant sinister sable a chief gules with three stars argent

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2019-01-02 14:49:01
I suggest:

Argent goutty de sang, a dragon sejant to sinister sable, on a chief gules three mullets argent.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2019-01-06 20:30:48
These are comma shaped gouttes, not period wavy-tailed gouttes. Also, as drawn, the top part of the beast is obscured by the gouttes.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-01-21 10:52:58
Agree with Iago's blazon. No conflicts found. Orle's concern is right on, and the gouts need to be redrawn.

Kryss Kostarev at 2019-02-06 07:29:01
Here is a different version of the emblazon that has gouttes with wavy tails. They have also been removed from behind the dragon to give the dragon a clean silhouette. I also redrew the the device outline which was entirely missing from parts of the device submitted. Someone will need to contact the submitter to make sure they are OK with this version.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2

Emma de Fetherstan (Temperaunce) at 2019-02-07 20:55:40
His name was registered as Stephan Draco (January 2017).


5: Ulrich Velkener -New Alternate Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2007, via Ansteorra.

Ulric Schildmann

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Alternate Name Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-01-03 12:43:16
The given name is registerable under the Existing Registration Allowance. The byname is well-established as a modern surname, but must be documented to period.

Unsurprisingly, it does not appear in my R&W. A search in the last field at morsulus.org draws no results. And my hits in period Google Books seem all to be ordinary nouns--'shieldman', literally or metaphorically--rather than surnames.

ffride wlffsdotter at 2019-01-04 01:55:04
But the registered name is Ulrich, and the submitted name is Ulric_. So I don't think the ERA applies.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-02-08 15:12:33
Error! (Klaxon blares.) Submitter should instead submit

Ulric - Aryanhwy merch Catmael and Kymma Godric, "Names from Antwerp, 1443-1561", Ulric dated 1561 and marked as German.
This fulfills Temperaunce's request below.

ffride wlffsdotter at 2019-01-04 02:24:25
In case it helps:


Socin Mittelhochdeutsches Namenbuch p. 529 does have Schilter (ie. a clipeator, or shield-maker)?
Henricus clipeator civis Basiliensis, 1276
Heinricus dictus Schilter, 1279, 1299
Heinricus der schilter, no date but presumably 12-13th century.
Mechtildis dicta Schilterin, no date
magister N. dictus Scilter, no date
I haven't had any luck finding "Ulric" yet, but "Ulricus" would be unremarkable.

Gyða at 2019-01-04 20:07:07
His submission included these sources:

<Ulric> can be found in the Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names by E.G. Withycombe (pg.284) *Submitter would like to drop the -h spelling.

<Schildmann> can be found as a header in Brechenmacher, with <Hermann Schildtmann) dated 1581. Also, Brechenmacher S.N. Schilder has <Matthias Schilder> dated 1343; demonstrating the -d- spelling, rather than the -dt- spelling.

Hope this helps!

Gyða at 2019-01-04 22:27:58
I found Ulric "Ulric Manfred of Turin": death date: 29 Oct 1034. Burial in Italy. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK1V-LTJ2

Gyða at 2019-01-04 22:44:50
I found "Schild": "Nicolaus Schild": Christening date 23 Aug 1579; in Germany. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCDN-68N

& "Schilder": "Josina Schilder": Baptism date 13 Feb 1588; in Netherlands. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL6S-YLNK

Emma de Fetherstan (Temperaunce) at 2019-02-07 21:13:49
Thank you for including the submitted documentation!

Disclaimer: I'm not much of a name herald, but all the same...

<Ulric> - from Withycombe. A good source, but it helps to read the full entry. It even says "The modern form, Ulric, is apparently a revival of the Norman-French spelling, which occurs in DB." (That's the Domesday Book.) It goes on to give dated examples: Ulricus, Uluric DB 1086. More interesting to me, it also cites Wulurich, Wlfric, and Wlfriche all in the same source (HR) in 1273. If -rich and -ric and -riche are all variants, and Wulu- and Ulu- are variants, and Ulu- and Ul- are variants, then one could likely suppose that Ul- and -ric could be plausibly combined to Ulric. Surely someone can dig up an actual dated example of that exact spelling, but if not this sounds reasonable.

<Schildmann> - Those Brechenmacher citations are good. I don't have that one on hand so can't dig around more; and we're assuming that "Schild-" and "Schildt-" are the same word in both names (probably? I don't know German.)

Now, to the FamilySearch ones you found. FamilySearch is great and useful, but has to be used carefully, as it's far too easy to find information that is not carefully sourced with regards to actual period spellings.

For example, that cite of Ulric you found just goes to findagrave.com, which is someone's modern bio of the gentleman, not a picture of a period tombstone or record. So we can't use that to justify that spelling.

For example, the cite for Nicolaus Schild is a good one -- if you click on the arrow near "document information", you'll find that this belongs to "Indexing Project (Batch) Number C92255-1". Batch numbers beginning with 'C' are generally acceptable.

The cite for Josina Schilder however does not have a indexing batch number. It comes from the Netherland's archives, and it *may* be a good source indeed, but someone far more expert than I would have to evaluate it. So it may or may not be useful here.

FamilySearch article that is super useful: http://heraldry.sca.org/names/familysearch.html (found by going to heraldry.sca.org, click on 'articles', then 'names', then it's the last article under "General Advice")


6: Viðarr Ulfriksson -New Name & New Device

Gules, a wolfs head sinister Or a gore sinister checky Or and sable

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

Vi{d h}arr - (Vidharr) The Old Norse Name by Geirr Bassi Haraldsson pg 16 found in the "Book of the Settlement"

Ulfr - The Old Norse Name by Geirr Bassi Haraldsson pg 15 found in the "Book of the Settlement"

UlfrikR - The Viking Answer Lady (Gunnora) Source: Nordisk Runnamnslexikon (Dictionary og names from old Norse Runic Inscriptions)

sson - The Old Norse Name by Geirr Bassi Haraldsson pg 17 dropping the "R" from UlfrikR and the "sson" to make the name Ulfriksson

Name Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-01-03 12:54:07
If seems likely the byname result is correct. But if so, it's not by dropping the "R", it's by replacing it with "s" to create the genitive, then adding "son". "sson" is not a formative.

Wrong analysis, perhaps right result.

ffride wlffsdotter at 2019-01-04 02:25:24
Yes, it's the -R isn't dropped in the genitive case, but it becomes -s, hence "Ulfriks"+"son." :)

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-01-21 10:53:32
Looks OK.

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2019-01-02 14:52:25
Fixing some punctuation and adding 'to':

Gules, a wolf's head [something] contourny Or, a gore sinister checky Or and sable.

This head is neither couped nor erased. It should clearly be one or the other.

Eldred AElfwald (Azure Dragon) at 2019-01-05 21:54:03
I would have leaned towards calling it erased, but to Iago's point, it is not what I would consider a normal depiction of erased.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-01-21 10:54:24
No conflicts found. Agree that this doesn't meet our current standards of "erased".

Kryss Kostarev at 2019-02-06 08:52:01
If the submitter decides they want an erased wolf head, here is a possibility. Someone will still have to contact the submitter for approval.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2



OSCAR counts 4 Names, 1 Alternate Name and 4 Devices. There are a total of 9 items submitted on this letter.