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Ansteorra ILoI dated 2018-12-11

Good day. I have more submissions for your review.

1: Francisca Sastre de Arellano -New Household Name & New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 2012, via Ansteorra.

Compagnia della Sprezzatura

Argent chaussé azure, a chalice Or and in chief a mullet of four points argent

Language most important.
Culture (16th century Italian) most important.
Meaning most important.

See attached documentation

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/2343/2018-10-30/06-59-09_Compagnia_della_Sprezzatura_name_doc_1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/2343/2018-10-30/06-59-10_Compagnia_della_Sprezzatura_name_doc_2.jpg

Household Name Comments:

Adelaide de Beaumont (Pympernell) at 2018-12-11 22:56:03
Consider the comments on the registration on the Jan 2015 LoAR for Handsome Boys:

This household name is a constructed gang name appropriate for late 16th and early 17th century England. Boys is intended as the designator and Handsome the substantive element. We applaud the consulting herald for his research.

In period pamphlets and contemporary literature, these gangs are referred to by names such as Damned Crew (1598 to 1608), Cursed Crue (1589-1626), the gallant crew (1598), English Crew (not specifically dated), various spellings of Roaring Boys (c.1590-1621), the Gallant Roars (1603), terrible boys (1609), various forms of Tittery tues (1620-1640), and Ragged Regiment (1608). We note that roaring in the examples means "noisy" or "boisterous", and tittery means "inebriated". These examples were largely drawn from S.E. Sprott, "The Damned Crew" [PMLA, 1969;84(3):492-500]. Additional examples were found by Pelican in the Oxford English Dictionary (OED); John Stephen Farmer, Slang and Its Analogues Past and Present (https://books.google.com/books?id=srATAAAAQAAJ); and the American Journal of Philology (https://books.google.com/books?id=Y5LPAAAAMAAJ; 1914, pp. 52-66). These gangs are also mentioned in late period literature such as Thomas Nashe, Pierce Peniless His Svpplication to the Divell (1592), and Samuel Rowlands, The Letting of Humour's Blood in the Head-vaine (1600). Roaring Boyes are the subject of c.1640 broadsheets such as The Sucklington Faction: or (Sucklings) Roaring Boyes and The Copie of a Letter sent from The Roaring Boyes in Elizium, and are mentioned in the c.1610 play, The Roaring Girle. Or Moll Cut-Purse.

The OED, s.v. boy gives the definition, "In various connexions, indicating a member of a fraternity or band", specifically mentioning the Roaring Boys from the time of Elizabeth I and James I of England. Given this and the above examples, we can give the submitter the benefit of the doubt that Boys is a plausible designator in late 16th and early 17th century English context for such a band or gang.

Handsome was defined in the Letter of Intent as "easy to handle or control", "fit, suitable, convenient or handy", and "Of conduct, etc., confirming to what is expected or approved; seemly, courteous, gracious". The OED also gives the meaning "apt, skilled, clever". Therefore, Handsome is a plausible adjective that could be used to describe such a gang, due to the variety in the period examples.

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So, you're okay with Compagnia, because 'company' is already an approved designator. I think della Sprezzatura is going to be tough. You've cited only two examples, one of which, Company of Victory, is pretty clear and logical for, say, a military company. Company of the Jealous is a better analog, but you have one example, and it's at least a motivation that could unite a group. Looking like you don't care is not even in the same ballpark.

There's a submission in December's Gleann Abhann letter asking for "school" to be a designator, and the documentation supplied here makes me think "school of sprezzatura" might be reasonable, as something that a group of people might come together to study, but I don't think you have adequately supported it as substantive element for a company.

Alys cites this work in her household article: Nicholas Eckstein's The district of the Green Dragon: neighbourhood life and social change in Renaissance Florence (https://books.google.com/books/about/The_district_of_the_Green_Dragon.html?id=CYzYAAAAIAAJ)

There might be some assistance in there. The whole book isn't online, but when I search the front page for "compagnia" I get a bunch of hits 'della nostra compagnia' that might provide more support.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-14 13:26:17
Pympernell has obviously researched this well. If what the client wants is an acting company, then this should work. Otherwise…

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2018-12-19 07:28:15
To find similar group names like Sprezzatura consider the Database of Italian Acadmies (1525 - 1700) The British Library provides tech support for the Italian Academies AHRC-funded project. http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/ItalianAcademies/
Searches can be made for:
Academies - their names, activities, interests, location, dates, emblems and mottoes
Books - titles, authors, publication details, illustrations, censors
Persons names, nicknames, dates, nationality, mottoes, emblems, portraits and roles

Database url: http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/ItalianAcademies/
Search tips url: http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/ItalianAcademies/searchtips.aspx

Badge Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-13 21:22:34
This is

Azure chaussé argent, a chalice Or and in chief a mullet of four points argent

As with chapé and vêtu, the central, chargeable part of the field is named first, followed by the tincture of the peripheral modifications.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-14 13:26:42
No conflicts found. Agree with Gerard's blazon.


2: Genevieve of Hellsgate -New Name & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Genevieve la Chaste(11/1999)

Azure, a lion passant argent and on a bordure Or three octofoils gules

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Genevieve - submitter's legal name. SENA Section B2e

of Hellsgate - is from the Shire of Ansteorra. Branch Name Allowance SENA Section B2f

Name Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-13 21:35:02
Submitter need not rely on the Legal Name Allowance. I urge instead using:

Genevieve - Aryanhwy merch Catmael, "Late Period French Feminine Names", www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/latefrench.html, shown 1501-1586
which authorizes the spelling without accent grave.

In case submitter prefers something more obviously French, Colm Dubh, "An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris", https://heraldry.sca.org/names/paris.html, records the name as <Geneviève>, and the DMNES additionally offers <Jenevieve> and <Genevièfe> at http://dmnes.org/name/Genevieve.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-14 13:27:00
Looks OK. Agree with Gerard that it need not rely on the Mundane Name Allowance.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-14 13:27:22
No conflicts found.


3: Hroswitha von Lippe -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2006, via Northshield.

Per fess Or and barry wavy azure and argent, in chief an oak sprig proper

Badge Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-14 13:28:06
We submit badges on square forms rather than the shield-shaped ones used with devices. No conflicts found. The sprig could be drawn to more nearly fill its portion of the field. Other such charges are usually blazoned as "an acorn inverted slipped and leaved proper."

Elena Wyth (Bordure) at 2018-12-14 13:42:16
This is going to need to get returned. It's either a device that needs to be drawn on the correct form, or it's maybe a fieldless badge that's an escutcheon.


4: Qali'udar Mongke -New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: Filing name should match submitted item for a primary name change. It should be the new name.

Qali'udar Mongke

Old Item: Berke Unegen, to be released.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language most important.
Culture (Mongol) most important.
Meaning most important.

Qali'udar - in "Die Personennamen und Titel der mittelmongolischen Dokumente" by Volker Rybatzki p 496, middle of first column

Mongke - Given name in "Mongolian Naming Practices" by Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald http://heraldry.sca.org/names/mongolian_names_marta.html

The submitter is attached to the element Qali'udar, which is possibly derived from the word meaning "otter"

Allows adding / deleting a word like "de" or "the" or changing language when the change is small

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-14 13:28:31
The doc for the second name looks OK, but I don't have access to the Rybatzki book to check that for the first name.

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2019-01-08 01:01:36
The book listed for the documentation of the given name is not a non photocopy source. We will need the title page, the publisher page and the page where the name is located


5: Vilhjálmr Þursasprengir -Resub Device

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Vilhj?lmr ?ursasprengir in April of 2018, via Ansteorra.

Per pale sable and gules, two badgers combattant and a point pointed Or

This is a design change from his previous submission which was returned in the April 2018 LOAR, http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2018/04/18-04lar.html#35

Vilhjálmr Þursasprengir. Device change. Gules, a pile sable fimbriated argent and overall a badger rampant Or marked sable.

This device is returned for having a "barely overall" charge. SENA Appendix I, Charge Group Theory, in defining overall charges states "An overall charge must overlie a primary charge (...) An overall charge must have a significant portion on the field; a design with a charge that has only a little bit sticking over the edges of an underlying charge is known as "barely overall" and is not registerable." To be really overall, the badger should project more past the edges of the pile so that identifying features lie on the field.

However, there is no more space for the badger to grow; it is right up against the edge of the shield. The badger is so large that it ends up obscuring the pile, hindering identifiability, which is also grounds for return.

There is a step from period practice for having an overall charge surmount a fimbriated ordinary.

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-13 21:48:38
(OSCAR is attempting to say that the name is registered as submitted.)

The reasons for the previous return have disappeared with the redesign.

(For the little it's worth, clear of Staros of Helicon, Sep 2016, Per pale sable and gules, two natural tigers combattant argent marked sable and a point pointed argent, probably by an SC for type.)

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-14 13:29:00
The badgers are Or marked sable: "Per pale sable and gules, two badgers combatant Or marked gules and a point pointed Or." We more commonly spell the word as "combatant".

Brian O'hUilliam (Sable Crane) at 2018-12-14 14:00:33
I think you have a typo - "Per pale sable and gules, two badgers combatant Or marked sable and a point pointed Or."

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-15 07:45:19
My typos are usually just misspellings, not whole wrong words. Thanks for the catch.


6: Wilhelm of Bellatrix -New Name & New Device

Sable, on a bend Or three compass stars gules and in chief a label of 5 points argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Wilhelm - See attached document

of Bellatrix - grandfathering of name from Paul of Bellatrix. (Asterisk received permission document by Paul of Bellatrix)

Submitter also has permission from Paul of Bellatrix (letter received by Asterisk) for his armory "Sable, on a bend Or three compass stars palewise gules overall a label of five points throughout argent" to look similar to, but not identical to, his armory "Sable, on a bend Or three compass stars palewise gules". Paul of Bellatrix understands that his permission cannot be withdrawn once Wilhelm's armory is registered

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/2343/2018-10-30/07-37-57_Wilhelm_of_Bellatrix_name_doc_1.jpg

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-14 13:29:28
Name doc checks out.

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-13 22:00:57
Considering the registered blazon for Jakob vom Rhein (Jun 2015), as well as that of Paul of Bellatrix, let's make this:

Sable, on a bend Or three compass stars palewise gules, overall in chief a label of five points argent

Unlike mullets, the compass stars (which incidentally incur an SFPP) have a discernible orientation, and it is not the default bendwise on the bend.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-13 22:11:13
Submitter also needs permission to conflict against Sable, on a bend Or three compass stars palewise gules, a label couped argent registered to Stephan of Bellatrix (Jul 1995), at most a DC different from the submission. The difference is certainly blazonable, and thus a letter will suffice under http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A5H.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-14 13:29:47
Agree that we also need permission from Stephan of Bellatrix. Also agree that the blazon should match that of Paul of Bellatrix as Gerard has pointed out.

Eldred AElfwald (Azure Dragon) at 2019-01-05 22:01:23
Another tweak to the blazon: Sable, on a bend Or three compass stars palewise gules, overall in chief a label of five points couped argent.

I'd be a little happier if the label were drawn a little more classically like a label rather than as a billet embattled, but that is a personal preference.



OSCAR counts 2 Names, 1 Name Change, 1 Household Name, 3 Devices and 2 Badges. There are a total of 9 items submitted on this letter.