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Ansteorra Kingdom ILoI dated 2016-10-06

Greetings from Asterisk Herald

Letter Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-10-23 15:16:14
Comments under my name on this letter represent the consensus of the NE Calontir commenting group, consisting this month of Lady Brigida von München, Purple Falcon Herald, Lady Rohese de Dinan, Shadowdale Herald, and myself.

1: Livia Collari -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Culture (16th c. Italian) most important.

Submitted through the Shire of the Shadowlands

consulting herald Artorius Germanus

https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/16thcvenice.html

documents Livia as a woman's name in Venice before 1600, relying on Working Women of Early Modern Venice (by Monica Chojnacka, Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2001)

Name Comments:

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2016-10-07 06:26:44
Livia is found nine times dated to 1546 through 1556 in "Names from 15th and 16th Century Pisa" By Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith). http://heraldry.sca.org/kwhss/2014/#Pisa

Collari is found in "Names from Sixteenth Century Venice, Some examples of complete names from this data", by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith). Juliana states, "... I came across a book with remarkable information about names of women in the 50 years before 1600." The complete name listed Cristina Collari. https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/16thcvenice.html

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-10-22 10:45:34
No conflicts observed.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-10-23 15:16:54
Docs check out, thanks to Maridonna's reference to the surname. No conflicts found.

Brian O'hUilliam at 2016-10-24 23:52:12
While "Livia" has been registered several times, none come close to conflict. "Collari" has not yet been registered, though there are a couple of people with the surname "Scolari." Their given names are not close to Livia. Therefore, no conflicts found.

As stated by others, both names are found in the given documentation.


2: Lucia Piazza -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2007, via Ansteorra.

Argent, two scorpions in annulo sable

Blazon submitted at Gulf Wars. No consulting herald listed.

Emblazon developed by SCA Heraldry Chat group on facebook

Device Comments:

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-10-09 15:25:53
No conflicts observed.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-10-10 23:05:53
The usual SFPP "for use of charges in annulo not in their default orientation." But since I don't see any second weirdness, I think we're fine on style.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-10-23 15:17:20
No conflicts found.


3: Munokhoi Kiyad -New Name & New Device

Sable, a six-headed wingless hydra erect Or, on a base Or gutty de sang.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Culture (Mongolian) most important.
Meaning (Dog) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Namron

Consulting herald Villana Palazolo

Munokhoi meaning "bad dog" found on

Mongolian Naming Practices

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/mongolian_names_marta.html)

Construction follow the n+n (two identifiable words) pattern of construction.

Kiyad Borojin subclan found on same source. Mongols did not use surnames. According to St. Gabriels, "Compleat Anachronist #54 states the second element of most Mongol names is an epithet relating to the first name or persional characteristics, or clan identification." (https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/baras-aghur/mongolian.html).

Submitted through the Barony of Namron

Consulting herald Villana Palazolo

Name Comments:

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-10-09 16:00:18
Elements and pattern confirmed. The documentation notes "Of course, one can choose a name that is not completely rendered into Mongol, but succeeds in demonstrating a clan or tribal relationship without requiring knowledge of Mongolian grammar (e.g., Jebe of the Dorben)." This implies that <Kiyad> needs declension, probably in the genitive case. No grammatical rules are cited, but Introduction to Classical (Literary) Mongolian by KaareGronbech and John Krueger is suggested in the bibliography.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-10-23 15:18:13
Docs check out. We know little of Mongolian and are not prepared to comment on the grammar. No conflicts found.

Device Comments:

Seraphina Delphino (Golden Dolphin) at 2016-10-07 13:08:49
The submission and couple device submission have the full forms instead of the Oscar mini's. These should be removed as forms have submitter's personal information on them.

Vigdis Gráfeldr (Asterisk) at 2016-10-07 14:04:29
Thanks so much for catching that. My embarrassed apologies.

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-10-09 15:38:51
Consider the reblazon "Sable, a wingless, legless, six-headed hydra couchant tail coiled Or and a base Or gutty de sang." This matches a blazon pattern registered blazon from 2010. Seems 2 DC clear versus "Sable, a wingless, legless, seven-headed hydra couchant, tail coiled, Or." (Daffyd ap Caradoc, Device, Oct 2010) with additions of a charged peripheral.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-10-10 23:16:24
Although the "gutty" form is extensively used by non-SCA heralds, it has never appeared in the O&A. I therefore urge that we go with the form used a few hundred times there:

Sable, a wingless, legless, six-headed hydra couchant tail coiled Or and a base Or goutty de sang.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-10-23 15:19:50
Blazon fu: "…Or, a base Or goutty de sang" No conflicts found.


4: Seonaid inghean in Sionnach -New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister argent and azure a fox sejant affronty proper within a bordure embattled counterchanged.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language (Gaelic) most important.
Meaning (Seonnaid daughter of the Fox) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Loch Soilleir

Consulting herald : self

Seonaid is a Scottish Gaelic feminine name, a Gaelic borrowing of the Scots name Jonet, with some form used inthe 15th c. (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2120.txt, paragraph six)

and

The LoAR ruling on registration for Seonaid Upton (name submitted: Sinead Upton) (Calontir, Oct. 2009) http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/10/09-10lar.html states: "Krossa, "Scottish Gaelic Given Names" http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/gaelicgiven/women/seonaid.shtml, notes that the early 16th C Book of the Dean of Lismore has examples of the name in the bynames "Mak soonayd" and "v'soynoid." The Book of the Dean of Lismore, while written in Gaelic, uses Scots-style spelling rather than the standard Gaelic spelling. The most likely standardized Gaelic spelling of the name, on the basis of these two examples is "Seonaid." We are willing to give the submitter the benefit of the doubt that Seonaid is a period Gaelic form."

inghean is the Gaelic particle for "daughter of"

http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/

Quick and Easy Gaelic Names

Formerly Published as "Quick and Easy Gaelic Bynames"

3rd Edition

by Sharon L. Krossa

in Sionnach "We did find one example of this animal-word nickname in early Irish: <in

sindach> "the fox" [2]. There is also a surname <O/ Sionnaigh> [3], based

on <sionnach> "fox". "

ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 1059

http://www.s-gabriel.org/1059

************************************

From:

9 Jul 1998

http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/1059.txt

Submitted through the Barony of Loch Soilleir

Consulting herald : self

Name Comments:

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-10-07 06:00:00
Consider name construction. "All patronymics are created using the genitive form of the father's name. Byname elements may need to have their spelling modified to soften the pronunciation (lenited) or change the grammar." (SENA Appendix A). Given inghean Given or Given inghean Given + Descriptive are documented patterns. Is there documentaton available for Given inghean Descriptive?

[Addendum] <Sinach> is listed several times as both an Old and Middle Irish Gaelic male given name in 'Index of Names in Irish Annals' by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/ but disappears completely in the Early Modern Irish Gaelic (c1200-c1700). <Seonaid inghean Sinaig> would probably be a Step From Period Practice and doesn't seem to have the meaning the submitter requests.

<Sinnach/Sionnach> is listed as a (male) byname meaning "[the] Fox" and notes "This name began as a descriptive byname but became an inherited surname." http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/DescriptiveBynames/Sionnach.shtml (The same observation is in the submitter's St Gabriel Report) As far as I can tell, all of the Middle Irish and Early Modern Irish Gaelic citations there are in the surname form. <Seonaid Sinnough> fits this form. <Seonaid inghean ui Sionnaigh> fits this form in the submitter's St Gabriel Report. The last seems closest to the desired meaning, but both MacLysaght and Woulfe assert the meaning of the surname was "son of the fox" rather than "the fox".

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-10-22 10:28:59
The source cited for the byname in the St Gabriel Report, Royal Irish Academy, Dictionary of the Irish Language (Dublin: Royal Irish Academy, 1983) has an updated electronic version. In the entry for 'Sinnach' there is "Occurs as a pseudonym, particularly among the lords of Tethbha, whose followers were also called na Sionnaig (for alleged explanation see AU i 552.z - 554.3 ): in Sindach hua Leochan, rí Gaileng, RC xvii 347.18 (Tig.)...." http://edil.qub.ac.uk/37608

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-10-23 15:20:54
Docs appear to check out. We're not sure she can have the pattern "daughter of <byname>". Nothing to add to Actuarius' analysis. No conflicts found.

Device Comments:

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-10-07 23:41:12
No conflicts observed.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-10-23 15:21:47
The fox isn't proper because it doesn't have an argent tip on its tail. No conflicts found.

Brian O'hUilliam at 2016-10-24 23:25:25
I see an argent tip in front of the black socks and the blue part of the field.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-10-25 08:04:19
Quite right. Dunno how I missed that.


5: Thomas de Bristol -New Name & New Device

Pean, on a chevron gules fimbriated three lions rampant queue-fourchy palewise Or.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Language (15th c. English) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Wiesenfeuer

Consulting herald Alexandré Marcellus

Thomas Monumental Brass Enscriptions - Male Given Names

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/brasses/men.html

236 instances of Thomas

de Bristol Monumental Brass Enscriptions - Surnames A - H

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/brasses/men.html

2(2) Bristol (sheriff of, recorder of)- 1439 gl

Submitted through the Barony of Wiesenfeuer

Consulting herald Alexandré Marcellus

(darker line drawing is on its way)

Name Comments:

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2016-10-13 05:13:22
Docs check out. The link for the locative is http://heraldry.sca.org/names/brasses/lastnameAH.html

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2016-10-13 05:18:35
No Thomas de Bristol or Thomas of Bristol in the online O&A.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-10-23 15:22:09
Docs check out. No conflicts found.

Device Comments:

Shannon inghaen Bhriain uí Dhuilleaín at 2016-10-06 15:40:18
Striking heraldry! No conflicts found.

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-10-07 23:29:26
Seems 2 DC clear versus "Pean, a chevron gules, surmounted by a mace argent." (James of Kent, Device, Nov 1982) for removal of the overall charge and addition of the tertiary charge group - but nothing for addition of the fimbriation - and also versus "Pean, on a chevron gules fimbriated argent, three crosses formy, in base a wolf's head erased Or." (Cian Conor McQuaid, Device, Dec 1992) for removal of the peripheral charge and change to type of tertiaries - but,again, nothing for change of tincture of the fimbriation.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-10-23 15:22:49
Someone remarked that whoever reproduces this is going to get awfully tired of doing ermine tails. No conflicts found.


6: Thomas de Bristol -New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Argent, a lion's head erased and an ermine spot sable

Submitted through the Barony of Wiesenfeuer

Consulting herald Alexandré Marcellus

Badge Comments:

Shannon inghaen Bhriain uí Dhuilleaín at 2016-10-06 15:49:17
No conflicts found.

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-10-07 23:19:13
Consider the reblazon "Argent, in pale a lion's head ereased and an ermine spot sable." IMO the arrangement should be blazoned.

No conflicts observed.

Elena Wyth (Bordure (Acting)) at 2016-10-20 10:44:15
I agree on the need to blazon the arrangement, and with Actuarius' reblazon.

Thomas de Groet at 2016-10-15 20:32:06
Not a cause for return, but simply an artistic note: Consider internal detailing on the lion's head. On a sable charge, internal detailing can be very difficult to see, as I find here.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-10-23 15:24:33
Agree that we should specify that the charges are in pale. Agree that the head needs better internal detailing. No conflicts found.


Thank you for your commentary.


OSCAR counts 4 Names, 4 Devices and 1 Badge. There are a total of 9 items submitted on this letter.