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Ansteorra ILoI dated 2016-09-09

Good day to the Ansteorran College of Heralds and our esteemed commenters from Vigdís Gráfeldr, Asterisk Herald. We have two letters this month; please also look at the Pennsic letter. Your assistance and comments are greatly appreciated.

Letter Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:35:25
Comments under my name on this letter represent the consensus of the NE Calontir commenting group, consisting this month of Lord Caoimhin McKee, Rouge Sanglier Herald Extraordinary, Lady Rohese de Dinan, Shadowdale Pursuivant, and myself.

1: Adelaide Dewy -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 2011, via Ansteorra.

Sable, two crossed arrows encircled by an annulet argent.

Submitted through the Barony of Northkeep

Consulting herald Geoffrey de Gournay

Device Comments:

Thomas de Groet at 2016-09-09 21:30:43
One minor problem. The line art is mirror image of the colored in version.

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-10 16:16:55
Concur with the Administrative Cause for Return noted by Thomas de Groet. the arrows in the line drawing are "in cross an arrow fesswise reversed an an arrow inverted" while the tinctured drawing are "in cross an arrow fesswise and an arrow inverted".

If viewed as co-primaries, either seems clear versus "Sable, in cross four mascles within an annulet argent."

Konstantia Kaloethina (Gold Falcon Emerita) at 2016-09-21 14:08:12
Hi y'all - is there a way that this can be fixed on an administrative level and send it through?

Artorius at 2016-09-10 02:16:34
No conflicts found

Eirik Halfdanarson (Star) at 2016-09-13 15:00:34
Consider reblazoning Sable, two arrows in cross within an annulet argent..

Consider vs Nakagawa Sukeie registered December 2006 via Atlantia Sable, a cross potent within an annulet argent.. I count one for type change in the cross, but I don't see another.

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-19 20:36:35
If viewed as the primary charge group, I see a SC's for changes to type/number between "two arrows in cross" versus a Sukeie's "cross potent". If viewed as co-primaries with the annulet I see 1 DC for change to half of type and a 2nd DC for change to number of primaries.

Nonetheless, I can see the submission viewed as a visual conflict with Sukeie. If administratively corrected, and if no precedent is found to cite as a return at the Kingdom Level, the LoI should raise the possibility for Wreath to rule on.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-28 10:49:57
Here is Sukeie's b&w emblazon (all that's immediately available) from http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=1354. I believe that if we do request Wreath to rule on visual conflict, we should recommend that she find none.

1: Image 1

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:36:52
Agree that one of the emblazons needs to be rotated to match the other, and that the blazon be corrected. No conflicts found.

Lucien d'Artois at 2016-10-05 15:50:59
Fixed the line drawing in paint so that it matches the tinctured images.

1: Image 1


2: Annais Eleanor de Montgomerie -New Alternate Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 1991, via Ansteorra.

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Aine Ruadh(7/2009)

Anne Hardi

Sound most important.

Submitted through the Canton of Chemin Noir

No consulting herald listed

Anne:

Academy of St. Gabriel report 1673 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/1673.txt) documents <Anne> as an English given name beginning in 1199.

Names found in Charlton Kings, Gloucestershire Marriage Registers 1538-1600

by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Friedemann) http://heraldry.sca.org/names/english/kings.html

Anne

Ann 1-24-1574/5

Anne 11-13-1578, 4-22-1594

Hardi

Academy of St. Gabriel report 1757 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/1757.txt)

documents <Hardi> as a French surname in 1292 and 1414.

<Hardi> many 15th c. records in Family Search, including

"England Marriages, 1538-1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFQ6-DH7 : 10 December 2014), Johes Venman and Anna Hardi, 1591; citing Alford, Lincoln, England, reference 2:3VZKQS0; FHL microfilm 1,541,968. Batch number M01115-4

"England Marriages, 1538-1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVRD-D6G : 10 December 2014), Gyles Hardi and Elizabeth Mayij, 26 Jun 1599; citing Toynton Saint Peter,Lincoln,England, reference ; FHL microfilm 508,063, 509,000.

Batch number M03258-1

<Hardy> many 15th c. records in Family Search, including

"England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGFX-3M6 : 24 December 2014), John Hardy, 18 Nov 1586; citing , reference P15; FHL microfilm 1,542,130. Batch number B01340-5

Alternate Name Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-21 16:35:26
Searching broad, case-sensitive, on the following, each followed by a space

^Ann
^Anne
^.an
^..an
^S.an
^S..an

and on (without space)

H.rd[eiy]
H..rd[eiy]

I find no conflicts with "Ann Hardi".

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:37:25
Docs check out. No conflicts found.


3: Bulvyn Gundersson -New Name & New Device

Per pale Or and vert, a bull passant sable and a chief raguly gules

Sound most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Northkeep

Consulting herald Geoffrey de Gournay

Bulvyn used as a last name in 1623. Source :

"England Marriages, 1538-1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJ5K-HXP : 10 December 2014), John Fench and Mary Bulvyn, 22 Aug 1623; citing Saint Mary Magdalene Old Fish Street,London,London,England, reference ; FHL microfilm 374,491.

Batch number M05485-2

and

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1ZV-FLJ : 6 December 2014), Mary Bulvyn, 09 May 1614; citing Kent, England, reference item 3; FHL microfilm 1,751,591. (Mary Bulvyn christened 1614, father Henry Bulvyn).

Batch number I03590-5

Last names could have been used as first names during this period.

Gunderson used as last name in 1628. Source :

"England Marriages, 1538-1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJ8F-Y3D : 10 December 2014), Bartholomew Gunderson and Jane Alborne, 21 Sep 1628; citing Stepney, Middlesex, England, reference yrs 1628-1631; FHL microfilm 597,245.

Batch number M01722-1

Spelling differs by one letter only.

Submitted through the Barony of Northkeep

Consulting herald Geoffrey de Gournay

Name Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-21 13:34:07
Searching broad, case-sensitive on

^Bul
^B.l[vw]
.+vyn
G.nd.r.+n

I find no conflicts with Bulvyn Gundersson.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:38:22
Docs check out, other than the surname spelling. No conflicts found.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-28 11:06:28
I think that in the LoI Asterisk should object to the added S and let the Laurel-level commenters weigh in. Since the submitter permits that adjustment, removing it will not delay registration.

<Gundersson> appears in FamilySearch only for gray-period Scandinavian records. It would also be unexceptionable for Old Norse. But for late-period English--the only context in which the surname <Bulvyn> can become a given name--despite its notoriously variable spelling, I don't believe medial s/ss is a plausible variation.

Lucien d'Artois at 2016-10-05 15:57:02
Agreed, and as the submitter indicated that sound is most important, registering the name with a single S should be acceptable, as it does not change the sound.

Device Comments:

Artorius at 2016-09-10 02:00:38
I found no conflicts

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-10 16:22:21
No conflicts observed.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:38:49
No conflicts found.


4: Chemin Noir, Canton of -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2004, via Ansteorra.

Or, on a pale sable a mullet of five greater and five lesser points Or.

Submitted through the Canton of Chemin Noir

Consulting herald Geoffrey de Gournay

Accompanied by a petition signed by members and officers.

Badge Comments:

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-10 16:23:57
Only conflict observed was versus the Branch Device. A SFPP for the mullet, but everyone knows that.

Aria Gemina Mala at 2016-09-11 05:40:58
This is a Canadian pale, not an SCA-legal pale. As drawn the pale takes up half thefield, whereas it should be no more than a third.

Sara Penrose (Sable Roundel) at 2016-09-11 18:57:23
This design is essentially the same as the one used for the original woven Centurion ribbons. They had a wide black stripe edged in gold, with a gold star (5 greater and lesser) on the end - it was basically the inverse of the Star of Merit ribbon. Could this badge be considered to be presumptuous? Even though we don't register insignia, and even if this badge is technically clear of conflict per SENA, I'm uncomfortable with the idea of registering it. I don't recall how long the original Centurion ribbons were given out, or when it changed to the current style (red stripe bordered in gold with a Black Star at the end), but I know at least one early Centurion (Master Robin) who still wears his. As far as I know, he and any of the other early Centurions that still have the old style of garter still have the right to wear them. The Canton should be made aware of that, so they can decide if they really want to register a badge that has the same design as a piece of kingdom insignia that is ostensibly retired, but is still in use by some.

Emma de Fetherstan (Temperaunce) at 2016-09-14 21:25:38
It is a fair point to make, but not one I think we need to worry about.

The art issue here is that they drew the star first, and then the pale, and the badge form isn't very big. :) There is no restriction on pale width, aside from "is this confused with a field plus a wonky border", which this isn't even close to.

I rather suspect in actual use it'll be way more obvious that it's a sable pale on a Or field, not a large sable area with gold trimmings on the side. Even if we protected non-badge insignia heraldically (which we do not), I don't believe this would rise to the level of conflict or presumption.

(Given that we don't, it's a moot point as this is 100% technically legal, and even if it WERE considered in poor form the kingdom cannot return it for such.)

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-21 13:39:07
The kingdom can, however, decide whether this a matter of which it should make commentators aware while leaving Wreath and Laurel to rule.

Or not.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:39:51
No conflicts found other than the canton's arms. Agree that the pale is wider than it should be.


5: Conall Ramsay -New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister sable and azure, in pale three seahorses naiant argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.
Culture (Early 16th c. lowland Scottish) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Elfsea

Consulting herald Tomas Niallagain

Submitter desires a masculine 16th century Scottish Lowland name.

Conall found in Index of Names in Irish Annals

by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien)

http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Conall.shtml

45 instances between 565 and 1599

Ramsay cited in Black pgs. 681-682

Name Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-21 16:45:13
Searching broad, case-sensitive on

^C.n.l
^C..n.l
^C..nn.l
R.ms
R..ms
R.mms
R..ms

I find no conflict with "Conall Ramsay".

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:41:09
Given name doc checks out. Black cites this spelling of the surname from 1342. No conflicts found.

Device Comments:

Artorius at 2016-09-10 02:03:47
No conflicts found

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-20 18:05:51
No conflicts observed.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:41:43
No conflicts found.


6: Elsie Hooper -New Name & New Device

Purpure, on a chevron inverted argent four lilies palewise pupure and overall a swept hilt rapier Or.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Culture (16th c. England) most important.

Submitted through the Shire of the Shadowlands

Consulting herald Artorious Germanus

Both names found at familysearch.org

Elsie Brown, birthday 10 Jan 1581 Durham, England Batch #P00120-1

"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQK5-QTL : 30 December 2014), Elsie Brown, 10 Jan 1581; citing ESH,DURHAM,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,885,452.

Joane Hooper, birthday 06 Aug 1573 St. Thomas, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSWM-QLQ : 30 December 2014), Joane Hooper, 07 Dec 1578; citing St. Bartholomew the Less, London, England, reference item 1; FHL microfilm 1,786,345.

Batch #C15348-1

Submitted through the Shire of the Shadowlands

Consulting herald Artorius Germanus

Name Comments:

Kolosvari Arpadne Julia at 2016-09-10 11:52:02
(Instead of trying to track down the batch number for the surname,) R&W s.n. Hooper dates Ralph Hooper to 1444.

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2016-09-15 15:28:05
Joane Hooper (Batch) Number is 102266-3. I can't tell if it is all numbers or not. Luckily Kolosvari Arpadne Julia found Hooper in R&W.

The submitter chose a great name.

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2016-09-15 15:33:42
Hmm. When I clicked on the link for Hooper it showed a christening date of 12/7/1578 and the batch number 102266-3.

Lucien d'Artois at 2016-10-05 16:02:25
That was my experience as well.

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-10-06 22:17:40
Same. Wrong <Joane Hooper>. The one linked was christened in 1578 (Daughter of James Hooper). Correct link (For the father, Thomas) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDB2-VMQ That data checks out.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:42:19
Docs check out. No conflicts found.

Device Comments:

Artorius at 2016-09-10 02:04:45
There are no conflicts I can find

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-20 18:11:13
No conflicts observed.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:45:36
The sword is not overall: it doesn't overlap the lilies. "Purpure, on a chevron inverted argent surmounted by a sword (or whatever) Or, four lilies palewise purpure." No conflicts found.


7: Finnr Jurgensson -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Culture (Scandinavian) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Northkeep

Consulting herald Adalia VondemBerg

Finnr

http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2142.txt

St. Gabriel report 2142 says <Finnr> "was used as early as c.900 and continued in use through the Middle

Ages in Norway and Iceland. The spelling <Finnr> is more typical of the

early end of that span; later in the period, the name usually appears as

<Finn>. However, the earlier spelling was recorded as late as 1309." and cites these two sources :

[1] Lind, E.H., _Norsk-Isla:ndska Dopnamn ock Fingerade Namn fra*n

Medeltiden_ (Uppsala & Leipzig: 1905-1915, sup. Oslo, Uppsala and

Kobenhavn: 1931), s.n. Finnr.

[2] Kruken, Kristoffer, ed. _Norsk personnamnleksikon_, 2nd ed. (Oslo: Det

Norske Samlaget, 1995), s.n. Finn.

Jurgensson byname construction based on information from VikingAnswerLady.org and more than 100 examples in Vanhat nimityyppimme (Finnish Names) by Rouva Gertrud (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/FinnishNamesArticle.htm) using given name + possessive 's' + 'son' to denote "son of". The Finnish Names article also lists the given name <Jurgen> in 1511.

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2016-09-10 02:07:22
Lind supplement col. 276 sn. Finnr has:
<Finnr Sighurderson> Diplomatarium Norvegicum 1357
(The DN entry has <Finnr Sighurdarson> http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst.prl?b=3856&s=n&str=finnr)

SMP sn. Gregers (http://130.238.4.107/SMP/pdf/Gregers.pdf) p. 35 of the PDF has:
<G[re]ge Jurgenson> 1514.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:46:45
Finnr is in Geirr Bassi. The article given for the surname appears to support this formation. No conflicts found.


8: Gaius Artorius Germanus -New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Ansteorra LoI of November 30, 2015 as submitted.

Sable, an eagle displayed facing sinister, a sun issuant from dexter chief and a base Or.

Submitted through the Shire of the Shadowlands

Consulting herald Artorius Germanus

Device Comments:

Eirik Halfdanarson (Star) at 2016-09-10 15:05:46
This is missing the specific details that make it an eagle. Reblazon "Sable, a bird displayed facing sinister, a sun issuant from dexter chief and an base Or."

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-10 15:31:41
Consider period style. The bird displayed has no crest, so it's not an eagle. Non-eagles displayed are a SFPP. I'm unaware of demi-suns issuing from something other than a line of division, the chief or base in Period Heraldry. The PicDic does show a "ray of the sun" issuing from dexter chief, but the emblazon is missing the defining feature of the ray. http://mistholme.com/dictionary/sun/

[EDIT] To my knowledge, the following Precedent hasn't been overturned: "While suns generally have alternating wavy and straight rays, it is acceptable to have all straight rays as in this submission." [Rakonczay Gergely, 07/2006, R-Drachenwald]



Not checked for conflict.

1: Image 1

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-22 17:47:08
If Actuarius says an arrangment is unknown to him, I'm sure the motif of a sun issuant from dexter chief is at best rare in period. But then, the evidence for the ray of sun we're willing to accept seems less than widespread.

However, there have been several registrations of it by the College. The most recent case of a quarter sun or quarter-sun, neither SENA era nor The Old Days, is for Paraskova Chemislava, March 2000, Azure, issuant from canton a quarter sun Or charged with an ankh sable.

(For any who, checking up on this, find the blazon of Vesper Principal Herald's seal as impenetrable as I did, our excellent archivist@heraldry.sca.org has supplied me its emblazon, reproduced below.)

1: Image 1

Aria Gemina Mala at 2016-09-11 05:43:14
Agree the sun should have rays, plural.

Artorius at 2016-09-11 17:11:09
I modeled this Eagle after the Roman Eagle. I understand there is no heraldry from Roman times, but there are plenty of example of standards displaying charges that we don't find in the pic dic.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-21 14:16:20
Just as with Japanese-style devices, it may be necessary for a Roman submitter to adjust to some core-style expectations. Would you consider adding the small tuft that Star and Actuarius require? Some modern renditions do so without losing the essentially Roman character of the bird--e.g., the logo for a video game called "Total War™: Rome II" attached as the first image below.

On the other hand, Agapios Cargos's emblazon (second image, from http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=49152) was accepted without comment very recently, on the April 2015 LoAR. And while Tiberius Romilius Aquila's (third image, from http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=17835) was returned on the February 2012 LoAR, it was because his serpents "are indistinguishable from ribbons, and their posture and arrangement cannot be adequately blazoned". No complaint about his eagle was mentioned.

Nevertheless, I would not depend on one-and-a-half cases making a trend.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2 3: Image 3

Artorius at 2016-09-21 14:53:50
I and another gentleman re designed it, just gotta get it on paper and sent in.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:50:34
Not a sun, but a quarter-sun. No conflicts found.


9: Hillary Rose Greenslade -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 1989, via Ansteorra.

(Fieldless) An anchor argent

Submitted through the Barony of Stargate

No consulting herald given

Badge Comments:

Aria Gemina Mala at 2016-09-11 05:46:11
Consider Jovan Greyhawk

The following badge associated with this name was registered in August of 1997 (via Calontir): Per pale azure and gules, an anchor argent.

One DC for the field only.

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-20 18:24:24
I also see only 1 DC versus Greyhawk cited by Aria Gemina Mala.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:54:10
Agree with the conflict call vs. Jovan.


10: Hywel Goch Penbras -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2014, via Ansteorra.

Gules, a bend sinister argent and overall a dog rampant regardent Or.

Submitted through the Barony of Stargate

Consulting herald Caitilin inghean Ronain ui Cheallaigh

Device Comments:

Artorius at 2016-09-10 02:06:58
No conflicts found

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-10 15:40:35
No conflicts observed, including versus ""Gules, a bend engrailed argent and overall a lion rampant Or." (Dikon de Stokke, Device, Meridies LoI 4/30/16 #5) https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=64144

Aria Gemina Mala at 2016-09-11 05:47:04
Blazon-fu: this is a talbot, and regardAnt

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-21 15:40:09
So

Gules, a bend sinister argent and overall a talbot rampant regardant Or.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:54:44
No conflicts found. Agree with Aria that this is a regardant talbot.


11: Jamison de Appleby -New Name & New Device

Per chevron sable and azure, a chevron argent and in base a rose Or.

Culture (English, 14th-16th c.) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Stargate

Consulting herald Caitilinn inghean Ronain ui Cheallaigh

Submitter desires to use his legal first name as his Society given name. The submitter has provided his driver's license as legal documentation as specified in SENA. [Asterisk: received]

Jamison is also documented in this spelling and variations of spelling (Jamieson, Jemeson) in the following sources :

- Withycombe : pgs 170-171. Header - James - "The name was not widely used in England in the Middle Ages, though it was more frequent in the North and in Scotland. The surnames James, Jemeson, FitzJames (found in the 15th c.) are, however, evidence that it was well established."

- Reaney & Wilson - meaning "son of James" - Header - Jameson, Jamieson, Jamison - pg. 252; dates use of the surname variations to William Jamesson - 1379 Poll Tax of Yorkshire, John Jameson - 1440 Register of the Freemen of the City of York; Richard Jamieson - 1642 The Rolls of Burgessesat the guildes Merchants of the Borough of Preston

- Black - pg. 352 - meaning :son of James" - header - Jamieson, Jameson - dates the use of the name variations to Alexander Jamison, 1178; William Jamyson, 1472; John Jamesone, 1472; Symond Jameson, 1497; Fergus Jamisone, 1501; William Jamisoune, 1550.

Appleby - documented in Reaney & Wilson - pg. 12, header - Appleby, Applebe, Applebee, Applebey, Applebe - dates use of the surname variations to Vlf de Applebi, 1163; Hugh de Apelby, 1204; Thomas Appelby, 1366. This surname is also listed as "From (the towns) of Appleby (counties of Leicestershire, Lincolnshire, and Westmorland, England).

Appleby : documented in The History, Gazeteer, and Directory of the County of Derby, publisher Stephen Glover; edited by Thomas Noble. Derby, England : Henry Mozley and Son, 1829. pg. 24 - ownership of Appleby Magna Manor - Walleran de Appleby 1166-1171; Robert de Appleby, 1181-1243; William de Appleby, 1243-1248; Henry de Appleby and William de Appleby, 1248-1350; John de Appleby, 1340-1367; John de Appleby, 1387-1420; Thomas de Appleby,Thomas de Appleby II, Richard Appleby, Francis Appleby, 1420-1636.

Submitted through the Barony of Stargate

Consulting herald Caitilin inghean Ronain ui Cheallaigh

[Blazon is Asterisk's. Blazon as submitted : Parted per chevron sable and azure, chevron argent, base flower rose Or.]

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/1532/2016-09-07/16-36-52_Jamison_de_Appleby_name_doc3.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/1532/2016-09-07/16-36-54_Jamison_de_Appleby_name_doc1.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/1532/2016-09-07/16-36-55_Jamison_de_Appleby_name_doc2.jpg

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:55:49
The given name documentation was superfluous. R&W give no dated citation for this spelling of the surname. Not entirely confident that Glover's book doesn't normalize spellings. Mills' entry for the town shows no examples of this modern spelling from period. No conflicts found.

Device Comments:

Aria Gemina Mala at 2016-09-11 05:47:59
This chevron is too low--drawing the fess line, most of the chevron falls below it

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-20 18:38:46
Although the rose isn't fully tinctured Or, nor fully barbed sable, I concur with Asterisk's proposed reblazon. I must also concur with Aria Gemina Mala's comment about the chevron being a little too low to be registerable.

Consider versus "Per chevron sable and azure, a chevron argent and in base a wolf's head erased Or." (Wulf Michaelson, Device, Dec 1983). I only see 1 DC for change to type of secondary charge. IMO there is no DC for change to half of tincture [EDIT: Of the tertiary rose) from both a visual standpoint and the fact that the non-Or portion is frequently artistic detailing of a rose.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:57:01
Versus Wulf Michaelson, reg. 12/83 via Meridies: "Per chevron sable and azure, a chevron argent and in base a wolf's head erased Or", there is just the DC between a rose and a wolf's head.


12: Mavis Campbell -New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister sable and gules, in pale three unicorns courant argent.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound most important.
Culture (Early 16th c. lowland Scottish) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Elfsea

Consulting herald Tomas Niallagain

Submitter desires an early 15th century lowland Scottish feminine name.

Mavis Withycombe p. 204. Old name for the song thrush. Name also found in Early 16th Century Scottish Lowland Names

Draft Edition

by Sharon L. Krossa

http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/lowland16/womeninstances.shtml

One occurrence of Mavis, in 1633.

Campbell -- cited in Black, p.129

Submitted through the Barony of Elfsea

Consulting herald Tomas Niallagain

Accompanied by letter from Conall Ramsey giving her permission to conflict.

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 10:57:33
Given name doc checks out. Black dates this spelling of the surname from 1445, among other dates. No conflicts found.

Device Comments:

Artorius at 2016-09-10 02:10:23
No conflicts found

Aria Gemina Mala at 2016-09-11 05:52:31
As per SENA, passant conflicts with courant, and thus there is conflict with

Ursula Mariae Einhorn

The following device associated with this name was registered in July of 2014 (via Lochac): Purpure, three unicorns passant argent.

One DC for the field.

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-20 18:46:19
I see a [EDIT] Substantial Change for unforced change of arrangement between Ursula (Default = 2 and 1) and the submission (in pale). http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A5E4

The LoPTC from submission 5 above http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=4103#5 is not needed. Even if the two period monsters weren't an SC apart, there would be 2 DC's for change of type and field.

1: Image 1

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-21 15:52:32
The unicorns' hooves should be cloven, or at least not so obviously uncloven. However, in the OSCAR era that has been a barrier to registration only when coupled with too horselike a tail and an absence of beard.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 11:00:52
Actuaries has pointed out that the conflict that we saw vs. Ursula isn't. No others found.


13: Mor inghen Ricart -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Meaning (Mor daughter of Richard) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Northkeep

Consulting herald Adalia VondemBerg

Mor inghen

Saint Gabriel report #2966 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2966.txt) list <Mor inghen Conghalaigh Ui Conchobnhair> from 1053, meaning Mor daughter of Conghalaigh O Conchobhar.

Ricart

Index of Names in Irish Annals: Riocard (Risderd)

by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien)

http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Riocard.shtml

lists <Ricart Mac Feorais tigerna Atha na Rig> in 1322.

Name Comments:

Coblaith Muimnech at 2016-09-17 04:34:15
The entry in the Annals of Connacht (http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/G100011/text099.html) that Mari's article cites for "Ricart" reads:

Ricart Mac Feorais tigerna Atha na Rig mortuus est.
The CELT translation for that (http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T100011/text099.html) is:
Rican Mac Feorais, lord of Athenry, died.
Given that context, the name must be in the nominative case. As the father's name in a patronymic byname, on the other hand, it would need to be in the genitive case (and might need to be lenited) (http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/#simplepatronymicbyname).

The cited page gives "Riocaird" and "Risdeird" as the standard genitive forms for the period during which "Ricart" was recorded, corresponding to the nominative "Riocard" and "Risderd". Based on that, I'd guess that "Ricart" would look something like "Ricairt" in the genitive, but I might very well be missing a trick, there.

As the Annals of Connacht were written in the 16th century or after (the last entry mentioning events from 1544), that is the period to which they date "Ricart". (See the warning at the top of the page given for the name for an explanation.) SENA requires all elements of a constructed name phrase to be from "from a single time and place," (http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#PN1B2b), so the form of "ingen" used in constructing a byname using "Ricart" must also be appropriate to that period. The usual Early Modern Irish Gaelic form is "inghean" (http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#AppendixAGaelic).

The standard Early Modern Irish Gaelic form of the submitted given name is "Mór" (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Mor.shtml). It is however permissible to omit the accents from Gaelic names so long as it is done consistently (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2003/10/03-10lar.html#179), so "Mor" is a registrable variant.

That gives you "Mór inghean Ricairt", if my guess at the genitive of "Ricart" is accurate. . .or "Mor inghean Ricairt", if you want to leave off the diacritical marks.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-21 16:57:59
Searching broad, case-sensitive on

^.r i
^..r i
^...r i
^...rr i
^..rr i
^.rr i

I find no conflicts with "Mór/Mor inghean Ricairt".

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 11:02:49
"inghean" The source for the given name spells it "Mór". The patronymic needs to be in genitive case. The cited reference does not show the genitive form of the submitted spelling nor do O'C&M. Our best guess is the same as Colblaith's.


14: Ossana van der Linden -New Name & New Device

Per chevron azure and argent, a chevron counterchanged, in base 5 linden leaves in an annulet stems to center vert.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

Submitted through the Barony of Bryn Gwlad

No consulting herald listed

Most important : inclusion of Linden

Osanna : German Names by Hans Bahlow p. 358

Van der Linden :

15th Century Dutch Names : Surnames

by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman)

van der Linden 1478-81

Submitted through the Barony of Bryn Gwlad

No consulting herald given

Name Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-21 17:30:24
Searching broad, case-sensitive on

^.s+.nS
^..s+.nS
^...s+.nS
v.n d.+ .n
v.n d.+ ..n
v.n d.+ ...n
v.n d.+ ....n
v.n d.+ .....n
v.n d.+ ......n
v.n d.+ .......n
v.n d.+ L

I find no conflicts with "Ossana van der Linden".

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 11:03:50
My copy of Bahlow (the Gentry translation) has the given name on p.396 with two citations of this spelling dated 1380 and 1526. The article for the surname is in the Medieval Names Archive, where it dates it from 1478-81. No conflicts found.

Device Comments:

Best Pickel Ambberger at 2016-09-10 07:19:36
That's a very large chevron counterchanged. I don't believe the point should reach the top of the device.

Very pretty device, though, and no conflicts that I can see.

1: Image 1

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-20 19:03:42
Chevrons can be throughout. Consider the reblazon "Per chevron azure and argent, a chevron throughout counterchanged and in base five linden leaves stems to center vert." IMO the arrangement of the leaves does not bring an annulet to mind.

No conflicts oberved.

Aria Gemina Mala at 2016-09-11 05:53:51
Agree that the chevron is far too wide. Should take up no more than 1/3 of the field.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-21 16:02:36
I am rubbish at doing correct Complex Searches. Nevertheless, I make bold to ask: Has the submission been checked for conflict against the alternate blazon Azure, a chevron enhanced and on a point pointed argent, five linden leaves in annulo stems to center vert?

Also, is Actuarius's reblazon correct without "in annulo"?

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-21 20:31:08
Closest found with the alternate blazon was versus "Per pale vert and sable, a chevron and a point pointed argent." (Flur de Olepenne, Device, June 2015) with DC's for change to tincture of field an addition of tertiary (But nothing for a "chevron" versus a "chevron throughout").

IMO "(1,2,2)" is a more accurate description than "in annulo". Since the topmost leaf is palewise, 1,2,2 seemed the default arrangement when "stems to center" was also in the blazon.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 11:04:35
Agree that the chevron is far too fat, especially when there's a secondary charge. It's also drawn throughout, as the person signing as Best Pickel Amberger pointed out. With five leaves, stems to center, "in annulo" is perhaps superfluous. No conflicts found.


15: Simha bint Yusuf -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 2014, via Ansteorra.

<Fieldless> A fox sejant ululant sinister proper on a crescent argent

Submitted through the Barony of Raven's Fort

Consulting herald Lady Lynette Turner

Badge Comments:

Aria Gemina Mala at 2016-09-11 05:54:04
SFPP for ululant

Coblaith Muimnech at 2016-09-17 05:47:58
The phrase "on a crescent argent" implies the fox is a tertiary charge entirely on the face of the crescent.

I found in OSCAR a few charges similarly arranged registered under the blazons:

"perched upon" (http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=41088)

"within and perched upon" (http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=53084)

"seated upon" (http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=57487)

"maintaining upon" (http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=63254)

"atop" (http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=35428)

"seated atop" (http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=11549)

"sustained atop" (http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=43541)

There were additional examples of several of these, and there may be others I didn't find.

Since the fox is roughly a third the size of the crescent, I would take the crescent as primary. My personal stab at blazon would probably be something like, "Atop a crescent argent a fox sejant sinister." I don't think the fox seems to be howling, and I'm not sure the fact that it's looking upward a bit is worth blazoning.

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-20 19:28:38
Consider non-period style. There are period examples of birds "perched" and humans "seated", but I know of no similar examples for beasts. A beast (or demi-beast) issuant is the closest I've observed.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 11:06:27
Agree that the fox is not on the crescent. No conflicts found. We're not sure that a fox with its nose tipped slightly up should be blazoned as ululant.

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2016-09-27 11:36:31
Consider http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2015/04/15-04lar.html Dreux d'Anjou. Badge. (Fieldless) In pale an ermine statant contourny argent conjoined at the feet to a bag of madder gules. The charges are not simply conjoined but they also overlap: the legs of the ermine lie entirely on the bag of madder. This sort of overlap for conjoined charges has long been cause for return, as the relationship between the charges is not blazonable.

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-27 22:24:23
Nice Precedent find in http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2015/04/15-04lar.html#68

The Badge returned is Fig 1. Fig 2 is a resubmission addressing the cause for return.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2016-09-27 22:29:37
Yep. Had to make it conjoined rather than overlapping.


16: Simon Gof -New Name & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Sean Gobha(6/1989)

Or, a smith's hammer entwined by a fine proper, a bordure gules.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning (Gof = smith) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Wiesenfeuer

Consulting herald Grimólfr Einarsson

Simon Gof name reference list : ~ 14th c. English/Welsh blacksmith

Simon (English given name):

Index of Names in the 1292 Subsidy Roll of London

by Sara L. Uckelman

known in the SCA as Aryanhwy merch Catmael

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/english/london1292.html

12 references, 9 with this spelling.

Names in the 1319 Subsidy Roll of London

by Sara L. Uckelman

known in the SCA as Aryanhwy merch Catmael

http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/london1319.html

46 references with this spelling

14th Century Worcestershire Masculine Names

by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman)

https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/LincLSR/GivenMasculineAlpha.html

1 Simon

Masculine Given Names Found in the

1332 Lay Subsidy Rolls for Lincolnshire, England

(sorted Alphabetically)

by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien)

https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/LincLSR/GivenMasculineAlpha.html

241 examples of Simon.

Gof (Occupational Welsh by-name):

Snapshot of a Cantref: The Names and Naming Practices in a Mawddwy Court Roll of 1415-16

by Heather Rose Jones

http://www.heatherrosejones.com/names/welsh/mawddwy1415.html

Gof is an occupational name for a smith. (Client is a blacksmith.)

A Simple Guide to Constructing 16th Century Welsh Names

(in English Contexts)

by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn

https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh16.html

Gof is an occupational surname.

(Source documents a number of patterns for occupational bynames, including the Welsh word, the English translation of the occupation, and the use of an article. Gof is one of the examples used.)

Submitted through the Barony of Wiesenfeuer

Consulting herald Grimólfr Einarsson

Name Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-21 16:08:51
Searching broad, case-sensitive on

^.mS+n
^..mS+n
^...mS+n
^....mS+n
^.....mS+n
^SSSSSSm
^SSSSSm
^SSSSm
^SSSm
^SSm

I find no conflicts with "Simon Gof" even though I've no idea how to pronounce Caoimhín.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-22 07:43:33
It's easy(?): just remember that a consonant followed by an h is either silent or pronounced as v. (In this case, one of my commenting group bears that name and pronounces it the same as his mundane name, Kevin.) I hate dealing with Gaelic names.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 11:07:04
Docs check out.

Device Comments:

Artorius at 2016-09-10 02:14:14
No conflicts found

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-10 16:56:19
Typo in the proposed blazon - fine should be vine. Proper tincturing matches the SCA Default in the Glossary of Terms. No conflicts observed.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 11:08:46
No conflicts found. Simon the Smith must not be very busy if a vine has grown up around his hammer.


17: Simon Gof -New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(Fieldless) A smith's hammer entwined by a vine proper.

Submitted through the Barony of Wiesenfeuer

Consulting herald Grimólfr Einarsson

Badge Comments:

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-10 16:53:34
Seems clear versus "Per chevron vert and Or, in base a smith's hammer sable hafted of wood proper." (Avelina Perceval, Device, Aug 1993) with a DCs for the field and the maintained vine, but nothing for change of arrangement (since you can't have arrangement on a fieldless badge).

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 11:10:30
No conflicts found.


18: Sonja Ryžaja -New Badge

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Sonja Ryzaja in June of 2006, via the East.

<Fieldless> On a double rose sable barbed and seeded vert, a letter 's' argent.

Submitted through the Barony of Elfsea

Consulting herald Andreas von Meißen

Badge Comments:

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-10 16:01:04
No conflicts observed.

Aria Gemina Mala at 2016-09-11 05:55:51
Is the vert not colour-on-colour? Questions applies to next item as well/

Brian O'hUilliam at 2016-09-12 00:36:35
It shouldn't be. That level of detailing is not typically held to the general contrast standards enforced for charges on top of each other or on fields. Color on color barbing & seeding have been allowed fairly recently: http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_name.cgi?p=Conchobhar%20mac%20Michil

Vettorio Antonello at 2016-09-15 12:37:29
The S shown here appears to be modelled on a Half-Uncial or Insular script. Which is a period form.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 11:11:41
No conflicts found. Agree that we should probably specify the style of the letter.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-28 11:45:29
For several years, Laurel has systematically omitted letter style from blazons; I believe there was an explicit declaration, altho I haven't found the precedent. However, at http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=34399 Jeanne Marie Dolphin Emerita declares, "While the style of the letters doesn't need to be blazoned, it does need to be in a period hand. In this case, it is a batarde letter B."

Further evidence is that for http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=27699 the submitted "uncial" disappeared from the registered blazon at http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/03/13-03lar.html#20.

And altho "capital" and "lowercase" still occur, in the scripts Vettorio Antonello cites there's no distinction, so we don't need either word. Therefore we should use just a capital letter without quotes

(Fieldless) On a double rose sable barbed and seeded vert, a letter S argent.

to match current usage in the O&A.

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-27 22:32:41
Consider the reblazon"(Fieldless) On a rose sable barbed and seeded vert ..."

"Blazoned on the Letter of Intent as double roses, we only blazon such roses as double roses if the two layers are of different tinctures. There is no difference between a rose and a double rose where the blossom is all one tincture and thus we have reblazoned these." (LoAR July 2016, A-Ansteorra " Kassandra de Haas) http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2016/07/16-07lar.html#72

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-28 11:55:30
Which would make it identical with #19 in this letter, and totally remove any need for two submission.

And perhaps give the submitter a fee credit toward another submission?


19: Sonja Ryžaja -New Badge

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Sonja Ryzaja in June of 2006, via the East.

<Fieldless> On a rose sable barbed and seeded vert, a letter 's' argent.

Submitted through the Barony of Elfsea

Consulting herald Andreas von Meißen

Badge Comments:

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-10 16:05:16
No conflicts observed, but this may be returnable as not being a blazonable difference from the submitter's badge submission above (#18)."A "double rose" is an heraldic rose charged with another; it is considered a single charge, negligibly different from a standard heraldic rose." ("Rose" PicDic Online) http://mistholme.com/dictionary/rose/

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 11:12:12
Agree that there is no countable difference between this and the badge above. She can certainly use this as a badge, but it isn't registerable. (Note that it's protected if the other badge is registered.)


20: Stephen Paul Blakeley -New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Ansteorra LoI of April 30, 2016 as submitted.

Peer saltire sable and argent, in pale two mullets argent and in fess an increscent and a decrescent moon sable counterchanged.

Submitted through the Shire of the Shadowlands

Consulting herald Artorius Germanus

Device Comments:

Artorius at 2016-09-10 02:11:57
There was a conflict, but two dc's are present.

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-10 15:53:07
Consider the reblazon "Per saltire sable and argent, in pale two mullets and in fess an increscent and a decrescent counterchanged." <moon> is not needed and countechanged eliminates the need to blazon the tinctures of the primary charges.

No conflicts observed.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 11:12:53
No conflicts found. We like Actuaries' reblazon.


21: Toryn Seven Stiches -Resub Device

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Bendy sinister sable and argent, a bordure gules lozengy argent.

Submitted through the Barony of Elfsea

Consulting herald Andreas von Meißen

This is a redesign from her previous submission (http://oscar.sca.org/kingdom/kingloi.php?kingdom=8&loi=3883, item #15.)

Note that while Her Excellency's name was submitted as Toryn Sevenstitches and is in OSCAR as such, it was registered and appears in the O & A as Toryn Seven Stiches (http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_name.cgi?p=Toryn%20Seven%20Stiches).

Device Comments:

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-10 15:44:36
No conflicts observed.

Aria Gemina Mala at 2016-09-11 05:56:39
This is pretty.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-27 11:13:12
No conflicts found.


Phew! That's all for now.


OSCAR counts 9 Names, 1 Alternate Name, 12 Devices and 6 Badges. There are a total of 28 items submitted on this letter.