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Ansteorra ILoI dated 2016-09-09

Good day to the Ansteorran College of Heralds and our esteemed commenters from Vigdís Gráfeldr, Asterisk Herald. We have two letters this month; please also look at the regular internal letter. Your assistance and comments are greatly appreciated.

Letter Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-26 16:00:06
Comments under my name on this letter represent the consensus of the NE Calontir commenting group, consisting this month of Lord Caoimhin McKee, Rouge Sanglier Herald Extraordinary, Lady Rohese de Dinan, Shadowdale Pursuivant, and myself.

1: Balthasar Silvano -New Name & New Device

Sable, a cross formy fitchy and on a chief embattled argent three acorns gules.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for German.

Submitted at Pennsic

Balthasar: Balthasar is found as Balthasar Stella: Male; Burial; 03 Aug 1635; Zweibrücken, Bayern, Germany; Batch B96767-1 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWXB-1MN)

Silvano : his father is registered as Olaus Simone Silvano, [October of 1985 (via the East)] (permission to conflict and statement of legal relationship attached: Witnessed by Ranolfr Rosamon (Eric Grab) and Konrad Mailander) The grandfathered element is considered neutral in language and time and can be combined with the German given name.

NOTE: NEEDS TO SIGN PERMISSION TO CLAIM RELATIONSHIP WITH CAIUS BALTHAZAR SILVANO, HIS SON, WHO ALSO HAS A NAME IN PROCESS AT HERALD'S POINT -- DO IT WHEN THEY PICK UP

(Asterisk : this permission to claim relationship was included. The permission mentioned above, for Olaus Simone Silvano, was not. I have requested it.)

Submitted at Pennsic

Potential conflict with Ariannah Rose of Bishop's Lynn (March of 1993, Outlands): Sable, a cross crosslet fitchy and on a chief embattled argent three roses Proper.

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2016-09-10 02:23:14
German and Italian, however, are a compatible mix under SENA. And the Italians had unmarked patronymics, hence:

Miracoli di nostra donna, tratti già da diuersi cattolici, & approuati ... By Don Siluano Razzi, 1592, printed in Florence (https://books.google.com.au/books?id=krp-MyswuGQC&dq=silvano&pg=PP9#v=onepage&q=silvano&f=false)

Hence, we do not need to rely on the grandfather clause at all.

However, if the submitter has requested authenticity for German, he may wish to know the more likely form would be Silvester.
Eg. <Dieter Silvester> male, christened 1596, Bavaria, Germany. Batch no. C03659-5
(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5BW-PGH)

1: Image 1

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2016-09-20 03:59:46
Additional docs for Silvano: "Italian Names from the Online Tratte of Office Holders 1282-1532" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman). The name is found one time. http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/italian/tratte/
I checked the Tratte online database and the name is dated to 1468. http://cds.library.brown.edu/projects/tratte/search/personinfo.php

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-21 18:06:06
Shouldn't Ranolfr Rosamon's mundane name be redacted above? (Just above the ALL CAPS 'graf.)

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-21 18:18:08
Searching broad, case-sensitive on

^.lt
^..lt
^...lt
^S...lt
(initial space)S.+lv.+n

I find no conflicts with "Balthasar Silvano".

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-26 15:57:09
Docs check out, especially with ffride's added material. It isn't all German as requested though. No conflicts found.

Device Comments:

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-10 14:29:55
No conflicts observed -- Crosses crosslet and formy are in separate categories in SENA Appendix M http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#AppendixM so the submission is Substantially Clear from OSCAR's potential conflict versus "Sable, a cross crosslet fitchy and on a chief embattled argent three roses Proper." (Ariannah Rose of Bishop's Lynn, Device, March 1993).

Closest observed was versus the submitter's father "Sable, a cross formy fitchy argent and on a chief embattled ermine, an acorn gules." (Olaus Simone Silvano, Device, Oct 1985) with a DC for change to tincture of the peripheral and a 2nd DC for change to number of tertiaries.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-26 15:57:33
No conflicts found.

Shannon inghaen Bhriain uí Dhuilleaín at 2016-10-06 15:57:41
No conflicts found.


2: Eva Collette Devereux -New Name & New Device

Eva Collette Devereaux

Vert, a goat passant, in chief three daisies argent, a bordure gyronny purpure and argent.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound (Eva Devereaux sound is of most importance. Prefers French but will accept English) most important.

Eva is found in Family Search as the given name of a woman buried in St. Botolph, Aldgate, London, England on 12 May 1575; Batch: B00047-6 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JC9D-6JW) Collette is found in Family Search as the given name of Collette Thompson who was married on 25 August 1586 in Cheshunt, Hertford, England; Batch: M07225-2 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLSV-KL6) Devereux is found in the Family Search Historical Records: Mergery Devereux; Female; Marriage; 18 Sept 1564; Saint Margaret, Westminster, London, England; Batch: M00160-1 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V52X-9S9) The submitter prefers the spelling Devereaux if it can be documented. She also prefers the documentation to be all in French, if possible, but getting this name is most important.

Submitted at Pennsic

Color image is from a photograph of the form. Asterisk has requested a better image from Pennsic Herald's Point staff.

Name Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-21 18:49:10
Searching broad, case-sensitive on the following, each followed by a space

^.v.
^..v.
^...v.
^\S+va
^.v..
^..v..
^..v..

and also

(initial space)C.+l.+t
(initial space)\S+ D\S+v\S+r

I find no conflicts for "Eva Collette Devereux"

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-23 00:42:12
Having been made aware of the Gaelic A(o)ífe, and thus made wary, I repeated the first section of the above with F instead of V. Still, as might be expected, no conflicts found. Aífe ingen Chonchobair in Derthaige shares little more than her monogram with the submitter.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-26 15:58:57
Docs check out, though it's not all French as requested. No conflicts found.

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-10-02 22:36:43
DMNES attests <Eva> as a feminine given name to 1301 in the nominative and to 1378 in the ablative Latin form, but only has <Eve> in Old and Middle French. http://dmnes.org/name/Eve <Collette> attested from 1421 to 1566 in Middle French as a feminine given name in the same source. http://dmnes.org/name/Nicole R&W pp 132-133 'Deveraux' has "From Evreux (Eure), from the Celtic tribal name Eburovise 'dwellers of the Ebura or Eure River'." Has anyone looked in Dauzet?

Device Comments:

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-10 14:33:56
Daisy taken from PicDic. No conflicts observed.

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2016-09-13 13:41:25
The shield shape seems much more triangular and the scan seems to be a photograph.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-23 00:45:45
The color scan is candidly a photo, according to the introductory material here, and "Asterisk has requested a better image from Pennsic Herald's Point staff"

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-26 15:58:08
No conflicts found.


3: Konstantia Marinianou -New Name & New Device

Azure, a duck naiant argent within a paternoster and a bordure Or.

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Konstantia is a feminine given game found in the LGPN. Marivianos is a masculine given name found in the LGPN; its genitive form should be Marinianou (to make a patronymic byname).

Submitted at Pennsic

Name Comments:

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2016-09-10 07:38:16
"Peasant Society in the Late Byzantine Empire" by Angeliki E. Laiou-Thomadakis, p. 124 lists Anna Pissianou, mentioned 1301 and 1341, a niece or possibly sister to Nikolaos Pissianos. She married and by 1341 was a widow. "Anna, retains her maiden name being designated as Αννα χήρα ἡ του Πιςςιάνου". These are Laiou-Thomadakis' transliterations.

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2016-09-12 08:50:14
Konstantia, mother of paroikos Ioannes at Bolbos, dated to the 11th C. in the online Prosopography of the Byzantine World. http://db.pbw.kcl.ac.uk/pbw2011/entity/person/107523

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2016-09-23 01:34:55
Searching broad, case-sensitive, on

^[KC].n
^[KC]..n
^[KC]\S+st
(initial space)\S+r\S+n\S+n
(initial space)M\S+r\S+n\S $

Closest, but no problem, are perhaps Constantia Maria von Köln and Constanza Marina de Huelva.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-26 15:59:15
No conflicts found.

Device Comments:

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-10 14:43:53
Am not sure which is the primary charge, the paternoster, the duck or if they're co-primaries. No conflict observed for any of the three possibilities.

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2016-09-13 13:42:39
Duck is large and central = primary. The paternoster will probably need to be documented to show that it's period with that type of tangle on it

Tostig Logiosophia (Actuarius) at 2016-09-19 20:15:24
"A paternoster is a closed string of beads with a small cross or tassel pendant at the bottom, used for meditation and prayer. It's a period charge, found in the arms of Ruswörmb or Rußworm, 1605 [Siebmacher 144]." (PicDic Paternoster) Looks very similar to the emblazon to me.

[Edit] If you're talking about the pendant string, Sea Stag, "If the pendant cross hangs from a short beaded string, it may also be blazoned a "rosary" in Society armory; and this is the modern term for both forms of the charge." (ibid)

1: Image 1

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2016-09-19 20:33:22
I mention it because the last time a paternoster was registered ( https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=44063 ) there was a question about a tassel being period. :-) I remember providing the documentation.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2016-09-26 15:59:42
No conflicts found.


Thank you for your assistance.


OSCAR counts 3 Names and 3 Devices. There are a total of 6 items submitted on this letter.