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Atenveldt LoP dated 2019-02-25



25 March 2019, A.S. LIII

Unto Their Royal Majesties Morgan and Elizabeth; Baron Seamus MacDade, Aten Principal Herald; Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!

This is the Estrella XXXV (2019) Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It contains only submissions from Estrella XXXV. The College of Arms asks that a Letter of Presentation/Intent have no more than 55 items; unfortunately, with the weather-shortened Consultation Table at the War, that isn't an issue this year (sigh). Please have commentary to me by 20 March 2019.

1: Ambré Renée de Passais -New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Atenveldt LoI of August 25, 2018 as submitted.

Argent, a sun gules eclipsed Or, on a chief azure three mullets of seven points argent.

The name was registered November 2018.

2: Dawn Greenwall -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2014, via Atenveldt.

Per fess Or and vert masoned Or, a demi-sun issuant from the line of division gules, a chief purpure.

The previous submission, Per fess gyronny of 26 from the fess point Or and gules and vert masoned Or., was "returned for dividing the field into too many gyrons. In the June 1999 LoAR, it was ruled, "The question was raised regarding whether gyronny of sixteen is period, and whether it can be used in the SCA. Papworth's Ordinary of British Armorials, cites an instance from the 12th century, and Martin Schrot's Wappenbuch, a heraldic treatise shows a 16th century example. Additionally, the LoI mentions a 13th century example. Given this, we will register Gyronny of sixteen in simple cases, but nothing more, barring period evidence." This device goes beyond sixteen gyrons, and without documentation is unregisterable. This is a redesign.

3: Eoin the Steward -New Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2009, via Atenveldt.

Argent, on a hurt a cross couped argent, a bordure embattled sable.

Old Item: Argent, on a hurt a cross couped argent, a base sable., to be released.

4: Jon Blackfish -New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister Or and sable, a lucy haurient embowed contourny and a Maltese cross counterchanged.

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Jon is an English male given name, seen as Jon Willbornne, buried London, England, 02 Nov 1590, Batch: B00047-6, https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JC96-NPN.

Blackfish is a coined compound byname. Blaklambe (black +lamb) is dated to 1348 for Will. Blaklamb (Studied on Middle English Nicknames I. Compounds, Jan Jonsso, p. 57); Grenefissh (green/fresh + fish) is dated to 1332 for Will. Grenefissh (ibid., p. 104).

5: Kára Refsdóttir -New Name & New Device

Argent, a fox passant proper within a wreath of holly leaves vert fructed gules.

Submitter desires a feminine name.

The name is Old Norse. Kára is a female given name found in "The Old Norse Name," Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, p. 12.

Refr is a male given name (ibid., p. 7).

A name ending in -r will change to -s when used as a patronymic (ibid., p. 17).

6: Kim Dae Hae -Resub Name Change From Holding Name

OSCAR NOTE: 'Old Item' should contain the former primary name. The form that is there is not a registered name.

Old Item: Kim Samguk/William of Atenveldt, to be released.

Submitted as Kim Senggum in the December 2018 Atenveldt LoI (itself a resubmission of the holding name William of Atenveldt, registered as a holding name in August 2018), the client wishes to withdraw Kim Senggum and submit this instead.

Kim, "gold," is a family name of a group that rose to power and became the rulers of Silla for seven centuries (https://www.britannica.com/story/why-are-so-many-koreans-named-kim). The name is not considered presumptuous, as the clan was so huge that it remains the most common family name in Korea today.

Wang Hae was ruler of Korea 1109-1146, during the Goryeo Dynasty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree_of_the_Goryeo_kings).

Dae Inseon was ruler of Korea 906-926, the last ruler of Balhae. Balhae (698-926 CE), also known as Bohai, was a multi-ethnic kingdom in Manchuria and Korean peninsula and the Russian Far East. Balhae was established by refugees from the Korean kingdom of Goguryeo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balhae). Behind the Name (https://www.behindthename.com/element/da11), NOT a resource used by the CoA, says that this is a "reading of" a Chinese character meaning "high, vast, great, big.")

While this gives an approximation of the time the names were used, I have no idea how Korean names are constructed. Are there are particular elements for names? Are there "given" names? Are multiple given names used? How are elements arranged in a Korean name (that a family name like Kim "goes first" is about the only thing that I think I know)? Are there genders for specific elements? Do elements in Korean "mean" anything? This really needed to be written down/documented by the client or someone who is somewhat familiar with the Korean language. (Yes, the only documentation provided here were names that I gleaned from Behind the Name, and Wikipedia: its Korean name article is useless to someone who has no familiarity with the language.)

7: Moire Fhionn inghean Uí Raghallaigh -New Device

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Moire Fhionn inghean U? Raghallaigh in August of 2013, via Atenveldt.

Sable, three crescent conjoined in pall horns outward, a bordure Or.

8: Orrin Darius -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Atenveldt LoI of May 31, 2018 as submitted.

Sable, two serpents nowed in a Bourchier knot, that to dexter Or and that to sinister inverted argent, in base a triquetra inverted argent.

The name was registered August 2018.

The previous submission, Sable, two serpents nowed in a Bourchier knot, that to dexter Or and that to sinister inverted argent., was returned by Laurel November 2018 for "conflict with the badge of Bourchier (important non-SCA armory), (Tinctureless) A Bourchier knot. There is one DC for the field, but no difference granted for the presence of the serpents' heads." The client is amenable to either an argent or an Or triquetra.

9: Thora Gyldir -New Name

Submitter has no desire as to gender.
Language (Old Norse) most important.
Culture (Nordic) most important.
Meaning (wolf/fighter) most important.

The name is Old Norse. Thora (as Þóra) is a female given name in "Viking Names found in Landnámabók," Aryanhwy merch Catmael, http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html.

Gyldir is a byname, "howler, wolf", in "Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók," Aryanhwy merch Catmael, http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/vikbynames.html. It is correct as gylðir. The client will be informed of this.

Many thanks in advance for your time and consideration of these submissions; thanks also to the heralds who worked patiently (and cheerfully!), for as long as it lasted at the Consultation Table!

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Parhelium Herald

c/o Linda Miku

2527 East 3rd Street

Tucson AZ 85716



OSCAR counts 3 Names, 1 Name Change, 6 Devices and 1 Device Change. There are a total of 11 items submitted on this letter.