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Atenveldt LoP dated 2018-12-19


20 December 2018, A.S. LIII


Unto Their Royal Majesties Morgan and Elizabeth; Baron Seamus MacDade, Aten Principal Herald; Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!

(It would've been wonderful if I'd posted this on 1 December...) Please have commentary to me on the proposed submissions for the December Letter of Intent by 30 December 2018. Thank you!

1: Batu Kharhvaach -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.
Language (Mongolian) most important.
Culture (Mongolian) most important.

The name is Mongolian. Batu is a male name, "loyal, true, confident" ("Mongolian Naming Practices," Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, http://heraldry.sca.org/names/mongolian_names_marta.html).

The byname is intended to mean "archer." "Archer" is shown in the Glosbe English-Mongolian dictionary as харваач (https://glosbe.com/en/mn) and it is transliterated as "kharhvaach" in Google Translate (https://translate.google.com/?hl=en#en/mn/archer). While my glossary in An Introduction to Classical (Literary) Mongolian, by Grønbech and Krueger, is very limited, the protheme qarbu-, "to shoot with a bow and arrow," suggests that this an acceptable form of the art and one who practices it (in addition to yet another transliteration).

2: Euphemia Kathrine Marie filia Dougal -Resub Name & New Device

Argent, three roses purpure barbed vert and seeded Or, issuant from base a trimount vert.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

The previous submission, Cerridwen ingen Dubhghall, was returned by the Atenveldt CoH April 2014 for use of an unregisterable name (Cerridwen). Because the name was returned, the original device, was returned as well.

Euphemia is a female given name dated to 1305 ("Feminine Given Names in

A Dictionary of English Surnames: Euphemia," Talan Gwynek, https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Euphemia).

Kathrine is a 16th century English female name found in the Family Search Historical Records as Kathrine Sketterell; Female; Marriage; 28 Feb 1593; Saint Lawrence Pountney, London, London, England; Batch: M02163-1 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKGN-LYK).

Marie is a female given name dated to 1292 (possibly a genitive form) in Talan Gwynek (https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Mary). filia is a Latin particle indicating "daughter of".

Dougal is a male given name, originally from the Old Irish dubhgall, "black stranger," which later became a common name (this is undated, as it was found in Withycombe, 3rd edition, p. 38).

The elements are scattered all over period, with a major issue being that in the College of Arms, while a double given name is allowed in late English names, triple given name do not appear to be (Appendix A: Patterns That Do Not Need Further Documentation by Language Group, http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html).

The original device submission was Argent, three double roses purpure and argent barbed and seeded proper and issuant from base a mountain vert. There was no problem with conflict with this original design, and I am trying to contact the client (which I'll likely have to do with the name resubmission) to see if she'd prefer the original submission which I include that here.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/2358/2018-11-30/17-34-32_Cerridwen_ingen_Dubhghaill.jpg

3: Kim Senggum -Resub Name Change From Holding Name

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in August of 2018, via Atenveldt.

Old Item: William of Atenveldt, to be released.

The client's previous name submission, Kim Samguk, was returned by Laurel, August 2018, for the following reasons: "Although Kim is well-attested as a Korean family name, we found no evidence to support the construction of the given name Samguk. The term Samguk in Korean means "three kingdoms" and is a poetical term used to refer to Korea in 13th century Korean writings. We were unable to find evidence of Koreans using such terms as name elements. We were also unable to construct Samguk from period Korean elements. Accordingly, this name must be returned. The submitter's device is registered under the holding name William of Atenveldt." The client's registered device is Sable, a natural tiger rampant Or striped sable, on a chief Or a bow sable.

The client wishes to use a Korean clan name with a Mongolian given name. Current naming practices allow the combination of Mongolian element with Arabic, Hungarian/Romanian, Persian, Russian/East Slavic and Turkish (Appendix C: Regional Naming Groups and Their Mixes, http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html). The client asks that Korean be added to that group based on the following history of interactions between the Mongols and the Koreans:

After the death of the Keraites leader Ong Khan to Chingis Khan's emerging Mongol Empire in 1203, the Keriat leader Nilqa Senggum led his followers into Western Xia. (The Keraites were one of the five dominant Turco-Mongol tribal confederations (khanates) in the Altai-Sayan region during the 12th century.) Part of this attack was on Chingis Khan, and this failed as well as the major assault in the area, and as a result Nilqa Senggum was expelled from the Western Xia territory. There were several invasions by the Mongol Empire against Korea, 1231 to 1259, during which time the Mongols annexed the northern areas of the Korean peninsula into its Empire and its people became vassals to the Mongols. (http://www.fsmitha.com/he/h11mon.htm; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_Western_Xia; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jun_(Goryeo))

Kim, "gold," is a family name of a group that rose to power and became the rulers of Silla for seven centuries (https://www.britannica.com/story/why-are-so-many-koreans-named-kim). The name is not considered presumptuous, as the clan was so huge that it remains the most common family name in Korea today.

4: Rayyan al-Rashid -New Name & New Device

Sable, a simurgh close and a demi-sun issuant from base Or eclipsed sable.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.
Culture (Lebanese) most important.
Meaning (Lebanese) most important.

The name is hopefully Arabic. The client is Lebanese-American by birth and desires a Lebanese/Persian/Arabic name, something similar to his legal given name (Ryan). In the Hadith (a collection of traditions containing sayings of the prophet Muhammad), there is a gate of Paradise called the Rayyan Gate, one that only those who regularly fast may enter. In modern times, Al Rayyan is a city in Qatar, and Reyyn and Rayan are the given names of several Saudi, Tunisian, and Lebanese-American athletes. However, we're at a loss to find Rayyan/Rayan/Reyan as a masculine given name/'ism and are looking for help!

al-Rashid is a laqab, a combination of words into a byname relating to nature, a descriptive, or of some admirable quality the person had (or would like to have); it means "the Rightly-guided" ("Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices," Da'ud ibn Auda, http://heraldry.sca.org/names/arabic-naming2.htm). He will accept spelling variations to the given name, particularly if a period form can be found.

5: Rummana Arora -New Name & New Device

Purpure, a unicorn's head couped and on a chief argent three hearts gules.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language (Urdu) most important.
Culture (Urdu) most important.
Meaning most important.

Rummana is a female given name; Rummana Hussain (1952-1999) was a modern Muslim artist from India (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rummana_Hussain). The name comes from the Urdu, meaning either a plum-purple color or a pomegranate. In the Quran Chapter 55, The Beneficent: "Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny? Therein are fruits and palms and pomegranates." The pomegranate is used as a food and a dye in the Middle East and India, making it a valuable "bounty of the Lord," much like a daughter. Again, help it sought for the name.

As far as finding this as a period name, Rumayla is an Arabic feminine 'ism ("Son of the Hot-Tempered Woman": Women's Names in Arabic Bynames, Juliana de Luna, http://medievalscotland.org/jes/ArabicMatronymics/).

Arora is a Hindu and Sikh name based on the name of a mercantile community of the Panjab. It is derived from a place name, Aror (now known as Rohri, in Sind, Pakistan). According to legend the Aroras are of Kshatriya stock, but denied their Kshatriya origin in order to escape persecution by Paras Ram, calling themselves Aur, which means `someone else' in Hindi and Panjabi. (https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=arora)

The client desires a female name and is most interested in the meaning and language/culture of the name (Urdu).

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Parhelium Herald

c/o Linda Miku

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Tucson AZ 85716



OSCAR counts 4 Names, 1 Name Change and 3 Devices. There are a total of 8 items submitted on this letter.