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East ILoI dated 2020-03-15

Greetings unto the heralds of the East Kingdom and the Known World! We thank you for your commentary, and recommend the following items for your attention.

If Muirenn Blue Tyger consulted on any submissions on this letter, decisions will be made by Lilie Pantheon and Sláine Diademe.

1: Adam de Prunay -New Name (NP) & New Device

Gules, a chevron checky argent and sable between three tygers rampant argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for 12th - 15th century England.
Language (French, close to prunelle) most important.
Culture (French, post Norman invasion) most important.
Meaning (French for Blackthorn; initials AP) most important.

Consulting heralds: Lilie Pantheon and Mathghamhain Elmet

Adam is a French masculine given name found in the DNMES dated to 1295 http://dmnes.org/cite/Adam/1295/HistHdVParis

de Prunay is a locative French byname found in Names in the 1292 Census of Paris, by Sara L. Uckelman, p 96. http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/1292paris.pdf

Note: submitter originally wanted the byname <de Prunelle>. If this can be documented to period, submitter would prefer that byname.

2: Collette d'Avignon -Resub Device

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Purpure, on a lozenge pommetty Argent an ermine spot Purpure.

Consulting herald: Alexandre Saint Pierre

The device blazoned Argent vetû ployè, an ermine spot purpure was returned on the East 1-15-2020 KLoI for conflict with Adeliza de Clermont's Or, an ermine spot purpure. https://bth.eastkingdom.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/February-29-2020-revised.pdf

We feel that this redesign addresses the conflict.

As found in the PicDic 3, lozenge pommetty is a period charge found in the arms of van der Vliet, c. 1370. [Geire 85]. http://mistholme.com/dictionary/lozenge-mascle-rustre/

3: Cuthbert of Brom -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the East LoI of February 29, 2020 as submitted.

Or, a cross between four continental panthers rampant sable

Consulting Herald Sláine báen Ronán

This device was originally returned on the February 2020 LoD for conflict with Thomas of Meridies, Or, a cross between four crosses crosslet sable. A Permission to Conflict letter is enclosed with the packet and summarized here:

I (Redacted) SKA as Thonas of Meridies give (Redacted) SKA Cuthbert of Brom permission for their armory "Or, a cross between four continental panthers rampant sable" to look similar but not identical to my armory "Or, a cross between four crosses crosslet sable." I understand that this permission cannot be withdrawn once their armory is registered. Signed and Dated 02/05/2020

There was extensive commentary at the kingdom level regarding the drawing of the animate charges in this design. "Blazoned as "continental panthers", this depiction was based on the seal of Rapoto III, son of Count Palatine Rapoto II of Ortenburg as shown above. There was division as to whether a panther could be drawn and identifiable without at least some incensing."

This device is resubmitted with the following proof of variations in depiction of continental panthers.

Non-Core Style Element: A Continental Panther, without incensing.

Time and place: 12th century Carinthia

Proposed Arms: Or, a cross between four continental panthers rampant sable

The images are submitted as proof that panthers in this time frame were drawn without incensing. Please make note that all of the "additional depictions" of Continental Panthers (and one regular Panther) with significantly less incensing than the Mistholme standard above were from later than the 11th century. The sources submitted herein to support the flameless depiction are all from the period in question.

The Continental Panther is described in the SCA Pictoral Dictionary as "An incensed, long necked, horned, quadruped with spikey tail and clawed feet." (See image 1 for visuals) http://mistholme.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/panther_german.jpg


There are a few cases of a panther depicted without the flames.

Correction to Device (2020-Mar-22 16:03:34): Correction to the first Bullet point

Carinthian ducal coat of arms until 1246 Carinthian ducal coat of arms until 1246 The Duchy of Carinthia was located in southern Austria and parts of northern Slovenia A long necked, horned quadruped with forked tail and clawed feet… no flames. The gules in this armory is clearly the claws and horns of the beast.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/3143/2020-03-05/20-44-07_panther_german[2].jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/3143/2020-03-10/20-36-37_Cuthbert_of_Brom_Device_IAP_Page_1.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/3143/2020-03-10/20-36-37_Cuthbert_of_Brom_Device_IAP_Page_2.jpg

4: Dana Sanguin -New Name (NP) & New Device

Per saltire sable and azure, a chimera rampant Or

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound (sound similar to legal name) most important.

Dana is an English feminine given name found in the grey period Family Search records in the marriage of Dana Veritie, 17 May 1617, Linton in Craven, York, England. Batch M00765-1 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1NVB8-MPP

Sanguin is a French byname dated to 1439 and 1432 in Names from Paris, 1408-1449, by Sara L. Uckelman http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/paris1408.html

Per SENA Appendix C, English and French is an acceptable lingual mix, and name elements are within 300 years temporally.

Consulting Herald: Agapios Cargos

5: Fiammetta di Terra del Sole -New Name (NP) & New Device

Azure, a dragonfly Or winged argent between three decrescents argent

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (none noted) most important.
Culture (noted noted) most important.

Consulting Herald: Nuno Cabral do Mar

Fiammetta is a feminine Italian given name dated to the 15th and 16th century and found in Late Period Italian Women's Names: Florence by Juliana de Luna https://medievalscotland.org/jes/Nuns/Florence.shtml#FeminineGivenNames

di Terra del Sole is a locative byname, using a northern Italian marker as shown in SENA, Appendix A. Terra del Sole is a town in northern Italy created for Cosimo di Medici in 1564 by Baldassare Lanci di Urbino. According to Canzone del S. Gio Battista Elicona nelle sponsalitie della sereniss, Madama Maria Medici & del christianissimo Henrico Quarto, published in 1600, the town existed then.

https://books.google.com/books?id=3CQCJJsseNQC&pg=PA21&dq=%22Terra+del+Sole%22+%2B+%22Medici%22&hl=e n&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjivrH4zuDnAhXolXIEHY3XCooQ6AEwAHoECAAQAg#v=onepage&q=%22T erra%20del%20Sole%22%20%2B%20%22Medici%22&f=false

The device was orginally submitted in either wax crayon or colored pencil. This depiction is an approved redraw by Muirenn Blue Tyger.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/2236/2020-02-20/18-11-46_2YGEp2Pg.jpeg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/2236/2020-02-20/18-11-46_gowEcN9g.jpeg

6: Gibbs Moryss -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 2018, via the East.

Azure, a tankard contourny Or charged with a bee sable and in chief three open books argent

Consulting Herald: Drasma Dragomira

Due to apparent issues with the quality of the black ink on this submission, there is a faint greenish cast to the lines of the black and white emblazon, as well as in the color emblazon. This artifact of printing should not be considered when evaluating this armory submission.

7: Godric of Hamtun -New Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 1998, via the East.

Vert, a pall between three pheons Or

Old Item: Vert, on a pall between a dragon and two towers Or a compass star sable., to be released.

8: Malorie de Malenfant -New Name (NP) & New Device

Per saltire argent and azure, two mullets in pale and a decrescent and an increscent in fess counterchanged

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (French/Italian) most important.
Culture (French/Italian) most important.
Spelling (none noted) most important.

Malorie is a surname being used as a given name per LoAR of April 2010 (Alton of Grimfells, East). We find the name in Family Search, as the christening of Charles Malorie, 12 Nov 1543, Clifford Chambers, Gloucester, England, batch C02754-1 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J39W-BQ2

de Malenfant is a French byname dated to 1543 found in Late Period French Surnames (used by women), by Aryanhwy merch Catmael http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/latefrenchsurnames.html

Per SENA Appendix C, English and French can be combined throughout period

Note:Submitter originally wanted the given name Malore, which was dated to 1094 in Italy. If this name can be found closer in time to de Malenfant, submitter would prefer this name. Submitter has accepted the spelling Malorie.

9: Philippus Tabor -New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the East LoI of October 31, 2019 as submitted.

Argent, on a chevron gules three gryphon heads erased Or

Consulting Herald: Shannon inghean Bhrain ui Dhuilleain

Please note the recent precedent regarding requirements for erasing:

"...To bring precedent into line with policy, we will explicitly state that while the guidelines laid out in the November 2001 Cover Letter are good to follow, they are not required. We also explicitly invoke the January 2011 precedent which states: "We will not be returning armory which is clearly meant to be erased unless the number of jags is overwhelming or the jags are too small to be clearly seen as erased." [Algar MacBlane, 1/2011 LoAR, A-An Tir]" (Nov. 2019 LoAR Cover Letter, http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2019/11/19-11cl.html)

10: Province of Malagentia -New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Purpure, a moon in her complement within a mascle argent

11: Wymarc de Glen -New Name (NP)

No major changes.

Consulting Herald: Chiaretta di Fiore

Wymarc is an English feminine given name dated to 1256 and found in Names from 13th Century Northumberland, by Sara L. Uckelman http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/northumberland.html

de Glen is a locative English byname, dated to 1296 and found in Bynames Found in the 1296 Lay Subsidy Rolls for Rutland, England (sorted alphabetically), by Karen Larsdatter http://heraldry.sca.org/names/Rutland/bynamesalphabetically.htm

Yours in service,

Muirenn Blue Tyger

OSCAR counts 5 Names, 8 Devices, 1 Device Change and 1 Badge. There are a total of 15 items submitted on this letter.