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Northshield ILoI dated 2018-11-21

Greetings unto Baron Iohannes Glenfidanus, Polaris Herald, the Heralds of Northshield, and our brethren from other kingdoms. Herein please find the Northshield November Internal Letter. Comments are due by December 20, 2018.

1: Cailin Mac Mártainn -New Name & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): C?elainn inghean u? R?ord?in(4/1998)

Quarterly Or and sable, four walnuts counterchanged

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.

Cailin - Late Medieval Scottish (c1400-c1600) masculine given name found in "Scottish Gaelic Given Names: For Men" by Sharon L. Krossa (https://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/gaelicgiven/men.shtml)

Mac - son of

Mártainn - late 16th c Scottish masculine given name found in ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 2223 by Sara Friedemann (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2223+0)

Name Comments:

Cristina Volpina at 2018-11-21 09:43:07
Docs check out.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-04 12:12:19
Docs check out, but I find nothing on the genitive case of the father's name.

Device Comments:

Cristina Volpina at 2018-11-21 09:39:54
The walnuts are a little hard to visually ID, especially the sable ones. They'd be a easier to visually ID with argent outline and detailing on those.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-04 16:14:43
Note that they could be drawn that way in the b&w version, making the switch to color direct. heraldry.sca.org/admin.html#IV.C, §1: 'Black-and-white generally means "coloring book style" or "line drawing", though black portions may be colored in. [Emphasis added.]'

Dorcas Whitecap (Eyas) at 2018-12-15 15:21:00
I agree that some internal detailing on the walnuts sable would be helpful. I find them identifiable, if only barely so.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-04 12:12:38
No conflicts found.


2: Caitríona inghen Mártainn -New Name & New Device

Sable, on a fess nowy argent a daisy gules

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound most important.

Caitríona - Early Modern Irish Gaelic (c1200-c1700) feminine given name found in "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Caitríona" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien) (https://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Caiterina.shtml)

D M1493.9 Caitríona inghen Aodha Ruaidh Még Mathghamhna (ben-sidhe Uí Raghallaigh, .i. Toirrdhealbhaigh mic Seain mic Eoghain)

inghen - daughter of

Mártainn - late 16th c Scottish masculine given name found in ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 2223 by Sara Friedemann (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2223+0)

Name Comments:

Cristina Volpina at 2018-11-21 09:46:38
Docs look good.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-04 12:13:09
Docs check out, but I find nothing on the genitive case of the father's name.

Device Comments:

Cristina Volpina at 2018-11-21 09:45:20
The daisy drawn with that number of petals is going to visually conflict with a roundel of the same color.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-04 12:13:34
No conflicts found even if this doesn't qualify as a daisy.


3: Çinara de Teresa -New Name

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Caiss?ne Merdrech(9/2003)

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (Basque/Spain) most important.

Çinara - feminine given name dated to 1366 found in "Basque Feminine Names" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Friedemann) (https://heraldry.sca.org/names/spanish/basque.html)

de - "Basque Onomastics of the Eighth to Sixteenth Centuries Appendix 2: Locative Bynames" (http://www.larsdatter.com/basque/appendix2.htm) See Image #1

"The most frequently seen toponyms have the word "de" and then a place-name. This style of toponym is, of course, more Latin or Spanish than Basque, and may simply indicate in the records that the individual was from the village in question, rather than that the person went by that locative."

Teresa - "Basque Onomastics of the Eighth to Sixteenth Centuries Given Names and Patronyms Sabada - Zuria" (http://www.larsdatter.com/basque/1sz.htm) See Images #2 and 3

"Pats: (There is a place-name named Teresa [see DMCL 84], so these are probably locatives rather than metronyms.)

Teresa. 13th-14th centuries. [JLOV; CPPN VIII.A]"

(DMCL) Diez Melcon, R.P. Gonzalo. Apellidos castellano-leoneses (siglos IX-XIII, ambos inclusive). Granada: Universidad de Granada, 1957.

(CPPN) Carrasco Perez, Juan. La Población de Navarra en el siglo XIV. Pamplona: Ediciones Universidad de Navarra, 1973.

(JLOV) LaCarra, José Maria. "Onomástica vasca del siglo XIII." Revista internacional de los estudios vascos 21 (1930): 247-254.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/1123/2018-11-21/09-28-52_inara_Name_Doc3.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/1123/2018-11-21/09-28-52_inara_Name_Doc1.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/1123/2018-11-21/09-28-52_inara_Name_Doc2.jpg

Name Comments:

Cristina Volpina at 2018-11-21 09:49:49
Docs look good.

ffride wlffsdotter at 2018-11-23 03:12:20
There's a Teresa in Valencia, not in Basque Country?
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teresa_(Castellón)

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-04 12:14:20
Docs check out.


4: Johannes Þorsteinsson -New Device

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Johannes ?orsteinsson in August of 2015, via Northshield.

Per pale sable and Or, a pile ploye counterchanged

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-04 12:14:44
"ployé" No conflicts found.


5: Johannes Þorsteinsson -New Badge

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Johannes ?orsteinsson in August of 2015, via Northshield.

(Fieldless) On a rock Or, a Thor's hammer gules

Badge Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2018-11-21 10:42:04
This hammer is definitely sable:

(Fieldless) On a rock Or, a Thor's hammer sable.

Mira Fastova (Keythong) at 2018-11-29 17:52:39
Oops, my bad. :-}

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-04 12:18:42
Agree with Iago's blazon.(But so do you.) No conflicts found.


6: Marguarite Larchier -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2018, via Northshield.

Azure, a garb Or with three arrows and a bordure argent

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-11-23 19:46:30
I believe

Azure, a garb Or between three arrows inverted, a bordure argent

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-11-23 19:47:13
I don't think the differences between the line-drawing arrows and those in the color version are sufficient to require return.

Iago ab Adam at 2018-11-23 19:48:59
Agreed.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-04 12:20:59
Agree with Gerard's reblazon, and also agree that the line drawing does not match the colored version. (It's better, and the colored one should be changed to match it.) No conflicts found.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2018-12-05 19:04:41
I do recommend an artist's note to feed the arrows some charge chow and make them chunkier.


7: Rúna Úlfriðardóttir -Resub Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

Submission History: This is a resubmission of the name <Hrafnrun Úlfriðardóttir> from the September 2018 Northshield Kingdom LoI with a change of the given name. (https://oscar.sca.org/kingdom/kingsingleitem.php?kingdom=19&id=90168)

Rúna - Short form of feminine names in Rún- or -rún. Found in Old Swedish as Runa and in OW.Norse for a mythological character. Runic examples include the nominative forms runa, [runa], runo and the accusative form runu. NR s.v. Rúna, Rún-, -rún (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml#r)

Úlfriðardóttir - Old Norse matronymic constructed as follows:

<Úlf-> as prototheme. Feminine examples are <Úlfeiðr>, <Úlfhildr> and <Úlfrún>

<-fríðr> as deuterotheme. Feminine examples are <Áfríðr>, <Arnfríðr>, <Ásfríðr>, <Auðfríðr>

In creating the matronymic, the genitive case of Úlfriðar is created and -dóttir is appended.

Name Comments:

Cristina Volpina at 2018-11-21 09:53:07
Docs look good. Resub addresses the cause for return.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-04 12:21:52
Given name doc checks out. Don't see support for eliminating one of the f's when constructing the patronymic. Otherwise this looks OK.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-04 16:19:22
So you propose

<Rúna Úlffriðardóttir>

Concur.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2018-12-05 19:08:18
Actually, <-friðr> does sometimes compress to <-riðr>, c.p. <Ingiriðr>, <Guðriðr>.


8: Sibillia d'Orange -New Device

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Sibillia d'Orange in October of 2016, via Northshield.

Argent, in fess two daggers inverted sable between flaunches vert

Device Comments:

Sigrith Vigdisardaater at 2018-11-22 19:10:13
The flaunches are set too high on the field. They need to start from the corners of the shield.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-11-23 19:55:22
Indeed. The proposed device below from https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=77536 for Zaneta moglie di Nicolo Marcello was "returned for redraw. Flaunches should start at the chief corners of the escutcheon."

Better this should go back now--unless it can be replaced in time here--than to wait several months.

1: Image 1

Mira Fastova (Keythong) at 2018-11-29 17:54:27
Easily resolved

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-04 12:23:11
Strongly agree that the flaunches need to be redrawn. No conflicts found.

Dorcas Whitecap (Eyas) at 2018-12-15 16:01:42
While you're getting this redrawn, please give some thought to some internal detailing on the daggers. The hilts on the line drawing are very pretty. It will make no difference to registerability either way, but it's a shame to lose the detail in the color version.


Thus ends the November Internal Letter for Northshield.

In service to Northshield & the College of Arms

Mistress Mira Fastova

Keythong Herald


OSCAR counts 4 Names, 5 Devices and 1 Badge. There are a total of 10 items submitted on this letter.