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Northshield ILoI dated 2018-08-20

Greetings unto Baron Iohannes Glenfidanus, Polaris Herald, the Heralds of Northshield, and our brethren from other kingdoms. Herein please find the Northshield August Internal Letter which includes submissions completed at Herald's Point at Pennsic. Comments are due by September 20, 2018.

Letter Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 15:57:31
Comments under my name on this letter are the consensus of the NE Calontir commenting group, consisting this month of Lord Caoimhin McKee, Rouge Sanglier Herald and myself

1: Amary Fairamay -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2005, via Northshield.

Vert, a fess argent cotised Or

Submission History: Previous submission of 'Azure, three quatrefoils pierced argent', was returned on October 2016 Northshield kingdom letter for conflict with Katheryne Catanache (registered in January of 2013 via Lochac): Per pale vert and sable, three quatrefoils argent. (https://oscar.sca.org/kingdom/kingsingleitem.php?kingdom=19&id=69436)

Device Comments:

Sigrith Vigdisardaater at 2018-08-23 05:51:18
No conflicts spotted.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 15:57:51
No conflicts found.


2: Amary Fairamay -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2005, via Northshield.

(Fieldless) A cinquefoil azure within and conjoined to an annulet Or

Badge Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:00:35
No conflicts found.


3: Amary Fairamay -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2005, via Northshield.

(Fieldless) A fox couchant argent within and conjoined to four double pointed knitting needles fretted in mascle Or

Badge Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:00:49
No conflicts found.


4: Amary Fairamay -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2005, via Northshield.

(Fieldless) A masculyn barry vert and argent

Badge Comments:

Konstantia Kaloethina (Greek Fire) at 2018-08-21 13:08:19
Appears clear of conflict.

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2018-08-21 22:49:56
That's a LOT of bars.... It almost looks wreathed.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2018-08-23 12:58:30
Do we allow a diminutive of an ordinary as a primary and/or sole charge?

Konstantia Kaloethina (Greek Fire) at 2018-08-23 13:59:26
Consider Christopher Devereux: The following badge associated with this name was registered in November of 2015 (via the Outlands): (Fieldless) A masculyn per saltire argent and azure.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-08-31 21:41:59
A masculyn is a period variant of a mascle, http://mistholme.com/dictionary/lozenge-mascle-rustre/, not a diminutive. However, I worry that the current submission may be too slender to represent the charge. But although it would certainly be well if submitter could thicken it, which would as a side-effect make the barry clearer even with the same number of pieces, I don't know that it is returnable at this level.

What say you all?

(And just on the chance that Greek Fire's citation of Christopher Devereux was not intended solely as a response to Orle's question, or that it may not be read only thus:

(Besides the DC for fieldlessness, the submissions gets a second from Christopher under http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A5G3a, "If the tincture of at least half the charge group is changed, the charge group will be considered different." There are additional differences under A5G3--b. Direction of Partition Lines and d. Number of Pieces--but that section limits itself to a single DC for all changes under it to one charge group.)

Eldred AElfwald (Azure Dragon) at 2018-09-16 21:46:14
Agreed. The masculyn needs to be a bit more substantial.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:02:23
No conflicts found. Agree that the charge should be beefed up.


5: Beatrice Domenici della Campana -New Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2000, via An Tir.

Per fess argent and Or, two roses counterchanged

Old Item: Per pall inverted argent, azure and sable, to be retained as a badge.

Pennsic

Device Comments:

Seraphina Delphino (Ragged Staff) at 2018-08-21 01:21:59
The submitter's IAP needs to be attached to the submission

Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2018-08-21 12:03:48
The submitter will be attaching that just as soon as she puts together her notes from Pennsic brain and pulls the actual images from the appropriate manuscripts.... *scurries off to fix the things*

Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2018-08-27 08:57:51
My apologies for the delay with this documentation.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2

Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2018-08-27 08:58:22
I will be sending the original docs to Keythong for inclusion with the official packet, but I wanted to get them here for commenters as soon as I was able.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:04:13
No conflicts found. We see the support provided for the metal on metal design, but still not sure it should be allowed. We're inclined to limit it to the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2018-09-17 17:36:45
Given that the Italies did not limit this to the Kingdom of Jerusalem in our period (all of the examples shown in the IAP documentation are from a set of primary source rolls of arms dated to 1550-1575), I fail to see why we should do so.

Our rules are very clear. If documentation can be shown of a pattern of a particular rule being broken in a specific time and place of heraldry, then that rule can be broken in a registration. This documentation shows that low-contrast primary charges were a pattern in late-period Italian armory, and therefore low-contrast primary charges (consistent with late-period Italian armory style) can be registered under SENA.

To quote, in case you haven't checked this section of SENA recently:

"A.4. Armory Individually Attested Patterns

A. Definitions: Any armorial design that does not fit within our core style rules may still be registered if it can be documented as following a pattern of period practice within the armorial style of a single time and place within the temporal scope of the Society. This time and place may be in Europe or may be from a non-European period armorial tradition, such as Islamic or Japanese heraldry. We call such a design an Individually Attested Pattern. All elements in an Individually Attested Pattern must be found in that single time and place, including charges, arrangement of charge groups, and lines of division. Documentation under the Individually Attested Pattern rules does not exempt a design from conflict, presumption, or offense rules."

Given that no conflict, presumption, or offense has be found here, and the documentation shows the pattern and all elements of the design as required in section A.4.B, this is registerable under SENA A.4.

Eldred AElfwald (Azure Dragon) at 2018-09-16 21:52:24
I did a double take when I saw this heraldry. Although the citations do provide evidence for the counterchanging of metal on metal, and counterchanging, I only see two distinct examples that seem viable for our purposes. I agree with Green Anchor, and I am strongly against breaking our general rule of contrast. The goal of heraldry is quick, clear identifiability.

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2018-09-17 08:04:53
In reviewing the documentation, we need 3 examples of each item outside of our rules. In this case, we have two:
1) An inanimate primary charge that is Or on an argent background;
2) An inanimate primary charge that is argent on an Or background.
The documentation shows this. The arms of Barisani & Benvcci count for both since they're counterchanged. Then the closest other matches would be BSB 266 pgs 200 & 344 (both being roses, one being Or on argent and the other being argent on Or).
Obviously, all tinctures and charges are included in the documentation and the arrangement shows up in the documentation with the arms of Lenchare.
Despite the objections, the submitter has met the burden given in our IAP rules as detailed in SENA and I believe this should be registered.


6: Caitríona inghean Criomthainn -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2016, via Northshield.

Per chevron azure and erminois, in chief two squirrels respectant each maintaining a quatrefoil slipped Or

Pennsic

Submission History: Previous submissions from the most recent to the first.

February 2018 LOAR - Returns: "Device. Per saltire azure and erminois, two sets of four quatrefoils saltirewise each in cross and conjoined at their slips argent.

This device is returned for violation of SENA A3D2c, which requires all charges in a charge group to be in a unified arrangement. The quatrefoils are in two separate sets in cross, and so they are not in a unified arrangement."

LOI for that submission (https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=81507)

Previous submission, 'Quarterly erminois and azure, four quatrefoils conjoined in cross slips to center', was returned on the June 2017 LOAR as follows:

"Quarterly erminois and azure, in bend sinister two sets of four quatrefoils each in cross and conjoined at their slips argent.

This device must be returned for the appearance of marshalling, in violation of A6F2d, which states that "When any section of such a field contains multiple charges of the same type in a way that cannot be described as a standard single pattern covering the entire field, multiple charges of different types, or multiple charge groups, it creates the appearance of marshalling." The arrangement of the quatrefoils in cross in the sinister chief and dexter base portions of these arms is not a pattern covering the rest of the field, and so meets the definition of this section."

LOI for that submission (https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=74189)

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:04:42
No conflicts found. Although the partition line is well-placed, we'd like to move it down in this case where there are charges in chief but none in base.


7: Castel Rouge, Barony of -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 1979, .

(Fieldless) On a tower gules, a maple leaf argent

Pennsic

This will be a populous badge for the Barony.

Castel Rouge has already registered: (Fieldless) On a tower gules, a snowflake argent (for L'Ordre du Floccon de Neige)

Badge Comments:

Dorcas Whitecap (Eyas) at 2018-08-29 09:04:11
Ahem. "populace" Thank you.

Mira Fastova (Keythong) at 2018-09-01 10:33:50
Yes ma'am. ;)

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-08-31 21:51:05
Also, the comma amounts to a typo. (It's not actually in the registration for the earlier badge either.) So:

(Fieldless) On a tower gules a maple leaf argent

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:05:03
No conflicts found.


8: Castel Rouge, Barony of -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 1979, .

Gules, a tower argent within six plates in annulo

Pennsic

Badge Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:05:21
No conflicts found.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-09-15 19:46:17
Can we say "within" or does this have to be "between"?


9: Groza Novgorodskaia -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2013, via Gleann Abhann.

(Fieldless) A lozenge vert

Pennsic

Badge Comments:

Seraphina Delphino (Ragged Staff) at 2018-08-21 01:24:31
I believe the submitter lives in Glenn Abhann, this should probably submitted through that kingdom

Beatrice Domenici della Campana (Green Staff) at 2018-08-21 12:05:21
This is appropriately submitted via Northshield.

Mira Fastova (Keythong) at 2018-08-21 13:12:19
This is correctly submitted through Northshield by a submitter with a Northshield address.

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2018-08-21 22:52:00
Currently, this probably conflicts with the former flag of Libya:
Libya
The following badge associated with this name was registered in September of 1995 (via Laurel):
Vert.
Important non-SCA flag

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2018-08-21 22:53:32
Note: I think it's time to review whether or not this flag should still be protected. This flag hasn't been in use since 2011 and was only in place for a relatively short period of time (1977-2011).

Juetta Copin at 2018-08-23 06:50:42
Until the change in 2011, the flag had been used as long as I could remember (I was born in 1976). The majority of participants can probably say the same.

Katerinka Lvovicha at 2018-08-29 04:17:35
As a data point: I would be hard pressed to pick the flag of Libya out of a line up.

Konstantia Kaloethina (Greek Fire) at 2018-09-04 10:56:27
And I could pick it out right away, but, I also minored in political geography in college.

Taran The Wayward at 2018-08-31 16:04:23
It may open a new can of worms, but it may be worth looking to see if Libya displayed this on anything OTHER than a flag... As this is a specific single tincture Lozenge, it would not be displayed as a FLAG or as any other shape of armory.

Something to consider.

Vémundr Syvursson at 2018-08-31 21:29:01
As a lozenge/diamond is a fairly standard form of heraldic display shouldn't this submission be bounced even before we consider the possible conflict with Libya's former flag?

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-08-31 22:18:59
I don't think it's bounceable for that reason. We've registered Sǫlveig Þrándardóttir's badge (Apr 2002), (Fieldless) A lozenge Or, and Ælfthryth il's (Jul 2004), (Fieldless) A lozenge azure. Note that each displays a plain tincture that we do not protect as arms.

So the kingdom's College does need to consider whether, as Lord Taran suggests, to attempt extending for submitter's lozenge the argument of http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A6F3a that allows a plain vert quarter not to count as apparent marshalled arms.

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2018-09-08 05:52:35
We only bounce the heraldic display forms if they're charged and fieldless.

Vémundr Syvursson at 2018-09-09 14:36:13
Thanks for clarifying that, I'd missed the "charged" part of the "no heraldic display forms". Interesting, and opens up design space I'd previously considered closed off.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:06:07
Shocked to find no conflicts. Not sure about the flag of Libya; if "Vert" were also the national arms, this would be clearly in conflict.

Groza Novgorodskaia at 2018-09-14 11:45:53
Currently Libya has no national arms - the arms of Libya that this would have conflicted with were discontinued with the change in government in 2011 - and they weren't technically arms either, they were the flag.

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2018-09-14 16:33:00
Very correct. The current national flag, civil and state ensign is "Per fess gules and vert, on a fess sable a decrescent with a mullet between its horns argent."

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10: Johannes von Paderborn -New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister sable and gules, a tyger rampant argent maintaining a mace, overall a bend sinister Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Language most important.

Pennsic

Johannes: Found in Family Search

<Johannes> Bieremans, Male, Death Date 21 Jul 1588, Place Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany, Batch # B01519-2 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AJohannes~%20%2Bsurn ame%3ABieremans~%20%2Brecord_country%3AGermany)

von: locative marker

Paderborn: This is a German city name "Prototypografen" (https://www.typolexikon.de/prototypografen/) lists two Latinized names from our period incorporating forms of this name: Johannes de Westfalia Paderbornensis in 1472 and Conradus de Paderborn 1474. We (Pennsic Herald's Point) believe Paderborn is also a likely form of this name in German contexts at this time, and ask the College's assistance in further documenting this name.

Also, from Family Search:

Berndt Von <Paderborn>, Male, Christening Date 26 Dec 1618, Place KATHOLISCH, TELGTE STADT, WESTFALEN, PRUSSIA, Father's Name Gert Von Paderborn, Batch C99480-1 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3ABerndt~%20%2Bsurnam e%3A%22Von%20Paderborn%22~)

Pennsic

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:06:25
Docs check out.

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2018-08-21 11:03:34
Since the mace is argent and not Or, we have to move the word 'argent'.

Per bend sinister sable and gules, a tyger rampant maintaining a mace argent, overall a bend sinister Or.

Jeanne de Robin (Blue Alaunt) at 2018-08-28 20:59:17
I'm pretty sure the mace was Or in the original consult.

Mira Fastova (Keythong) at 2018-08-28 21:38:09
I will check with the submitter to see what his intent was.

Mira Fastova (Keythong) at 2018-09-01 10:48:26
The submitter confirms that the mace should be Or. I will fix this before sending it external.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:07:35
No conflicts found.


11: Katerinka Lvovicha -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2008, via the East.

(Fieldless) A lion rampant to sinister gules

Pennsic

Badge Comments:

Vémundr Syvursson at 2018-08-21 18:07:01
This appears to be clear of conflict, but I am having real, serious trouble believing my own search given how simple and classic the design is.

Someone please double check!

Sigrith Vigdisardaater at 2018-08-23 05:43:40
I concur that it's clear. This is a design that's been freed up by the relatively recent change to maintained charges; before that it would have conflicted with Dominique le Montagnard's "Or, a cat counter-rampant grasping in its three upper claws a python palewise gules."

Vémundr Syvursson at 2018-09-13 18:07:58
Well congratulations to this gentle on grabbing a fantastic classic piece of heraldry for themselves!

I'm going to file this one away mentally to bring out next time I hear someone complain that, "There's no simple heraldry left to register anymore!"

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:08:11
Since lions are rampant by default, the blazon can be simplified further to "(Fieldless) A lion contourny gules." No conflicts found.


12: Katerinka Lvovicha -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2008, via the East.

(Fieldless) A lion sable gorged of a pearled coronet argent

Pennsic

Submitter is a Court Baroness in Northshield as of 4/9/16

This submission is meant to be a test case of gorging as a maintained charge.

Badge Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-08-31 22:23:53
I could wish the pearl against the sable to be larger, thus increasing the identifiability of all three, by making its edge as well as its center argent.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:08:35
No conflicts found. Agree with Gerard about enlarging the pearls.


13: Kolfinna Ulfsdottir -Resub Name & Resub Device

Argent, an oak tree eradicated vert, on a chief azure two acorns Or

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Meaning most important.

Pennsic

Submission History: Previous name submission, <Kolfinna in quarra>, was returned on the Northshield kingdom letter of August 2017 for conflict with Kolfinna in kyrra, registered 2003 via Caid. (https://oscar.sca.org/kingdom/kingsingleitem.php?kingdom=19&id=78656)

Kolfinna: feminine given name found on p 12 of Geirr Bassi

Ulfsdottir is a patronymic constructed per the instructions on p 17 of Geirr Bassi using the masculine given name <Ulfr> as found on p 15.

Submitter prefers no accent marks throughout.

Submission History: This item was pended, at the submitter's request, from the August 2017 Northshield kingdom letter due to the name being returned for conflict. It is now being resubmitted. There were no administrative reasons for its return at that time. (https://oscar.sca.org/kingdom/kingsingleitem.php?kingdom=19&id=78655)

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:09:58
Looks OK.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:10:17
Still see no conflicts.


14: Lynx Walker -New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in December of 2018, via Northshield.

Old Item: Lynx Reyn, to be released.
Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Spelling most important.

Pennsic

From the December 2016 LOAR - Northshield

"Lynx Reyn. Name and device. Or, a lynx passant gardant contourny sable and a bordure rayonny gules.

Lynx is a gray period English surname, which can be used as a given name."

Lynx is already registered to the submitter and so can be treated as neutral in time and place under the Existing Registration clause.

Walker is an English surname found in Family Search:

Mary Walker, Female, Christening Date 06 Apr 1589, Place ST ANDREW, HOLBORN, LONDON, ENGLAND, Batch #C01051-1 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AMary~%20%2Bsurname% 3AWalker~%20%2Brecord_country%3AEngland)

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:11:19
Surname doc checks out.


15: Nadrah bint Bishr al-Zahra -New Name & New Device

Gules, a peacock-tailed gryphon passant and in chief two decrescents Or

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

Pennsic

Nadrah is found in "Isms from ibn Munqidh" by Basil Dragonsrike as a feminine ism. (https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/basil/ibnmunqidh/Isms.html)

bint is a marker for a patronymic byname

Bishr is found in the list of masculine isms in "Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices" by by Da'ud ibn Auda (David B. Appleton) (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/arabic-naming2.htm)

al-Zahra is found as a feminine ism in "Arabic Women's Names from al-Andalus" by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith) (https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/alandalus/femism.html) It is a nickname used as an ism in this context.

The name pattern is ism + nasab + [feminine form of] nisba per "Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices" by by Da'ud ibn Auda (David B. Appleton) (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/arabic-naming2.htm) This is a simplified transliteration, but a legal one.

The name element 'al-Zahra' is the most important element to the submitter.

Pennsic

Name Comments:

Galefridus Peregrinus at 2018-08-23 13:38:41
Documentation checks out. Nice name!

Basil Dragonstrike (Lions Heart) at 2018-08-24 21:36:53
Just because I feel like showing off:
Naḑrah is found in https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/basil/ibnmunqidh/Isms.html
Bishr is also found in https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/basil/ibnmunqidh/Isms.html
al-Zahrā'is found in https://s-gabriel.org/names/basil/battuta/Nickbynames.html#andin
;-)

SENA Appendix D allows dropping the dot from Naḍrah and the macron and hamza from al-Zahrāʼ. Name is formed correctly.

I didn't find any conflict. I also checked against Bishr al-Zahrāʼ, to make sure there's not a Relationship Conflict.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:11:45
Docs check out.

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2018-08-21 11:05:32
This is a major privacy breach. Please remove the submission form immediately.

Mira Fastova (Keythong) at 2018-08-21 13:12:50
Resolved

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2018-08-21 22:54:40
This submission needs to show a period pattern of putting peacock tails on creatures...

Katerinka Lvovicha at 2018-08-29 04:36:53
Would it not be a constructed beast, similar to Ellerete Duboy's beast from 2013?

Azure, a monster with the forequarters of a lynx and the hindquarters of a peacock rampant Or, on a chief argent three seeblätter gules.

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2018-08-29 14:37:54
The SCA has a varied history with chimerical monsters. In general, we need to have an established pattern from period heraldry in order to support a creation. Here's what SENA gives, "For example, there is a pattern of combining the top half of quadrupeds with a fish tail to make a creature, as in a heraldic sea-horse. This pattern can be used to create an unattested sea-bear."
We can come up with a pattern of creatures created with the hindquarters of a bird. This one's interesting because we're looking at just the addition of a peacock tail.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-08-31 22:49:05
We have thrice* recently registered apparent representations of Cerberus, a three-headed dog ... tailed of a serpent's head, and twice** earlier the iconic Lycian Chimera, a monster ..., tailed of a serpent. In between we registered to Olivia Alexandria a monkey rampant winged and tailed of a dragon in a couple of different color schemes (Apr 2008, Jul 2009). At best that's a pattern only for the College, not for period heraldry, but it is perhaps hopeful.
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* Marcus Roland (Sep 2017), Lykos Lakedaimonios (Dec 2017), and Lucius Erucius Germanicus (Mar 2018).
** David de Saxby (Dec 1988 and later) and Kezia die Näherin (Feb 1989).

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2018-08-31 23:06:42
I easily disagree. We can easily come up with a pattern of multiple-headed chimerical monsters in period heraldry. After all, the traditional chimera is a three-headed beast. As for being tailed of a serpent's head, that would again be found on an actual period chimera, specifically schimäre (or "German chimera").

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2018-08-31 23:07:49
For the chimera: Bossewell, J. Workes of Armorie. Da Capo Press, reprinted 1969 (orig. pub 1572).
For the schimäre: von Volborth, C.A. Heraldry: Customs, Rules and Styles. Blandford Press, 1981.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:12:18
No conflicts found. Don't like this, but that's my problem, not the client's.


16: Nadrah bint Bishr al-Zahra -New Device

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Gules, two axes in saltire hafted Or gripped by a pair of hands argent

Pennsic

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2018-08-21 11:06:34
Missing an 'argent':

Gules, two axes in saltire argent hafted Or gripped by a pair of hands argent.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-08-31 22:55:13
Considering blazons I think I've seen recently (which does not necessarily mean they're recent blazons) and http://mistholme.com/dictionary/axe/, I'd add an additional word:

Gules, in saltire two bearded axes argent hafted Or gripped by a pair of hands argent.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:13:17
It's clear to us that this is intended to be registered as a badge. No conflicts found.

Mira Fastova (Keythong) at 2018-09-18 18:03:14
Oops


17: Rose of Windhaven -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2014, via Northshield.

Or, a badger rampant sable marked argent and a bordure gules

Badge Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:13:37
No conflicts found.


18: Sesilia Bjornsdottir -New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Northshield LoI of March 31, 2018 as submitted.

Gules, on a schnecke issuant from base argent, a rabbit sejant erect guardant azure

Pennsic

Device Comments:

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2018-08-21 22:55:25
There's a SFPP for the use of a charge with a schnecke.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-09-13 16:14:12
No conflicts found. We wonder if there is, (or should be) a default direction for the curling of a schnecke.

Eldred AElfwald (Azure Dragon) at 2018-09-16 22:07:13
Based on the examples we have, I would suggest that the default direction for the curl of a schnecke is counterclockwise. It would also make sense to me to use the same orientation rules as for gurges.


Thus ends the August Internal Letter for Northshield.

In service to Northshield & the College of Arms

Mistress Mira Fastova

Keythong Herald


OSCAR counts 3 Names, 1 Name Change, 7 Devices, 1 Device Change and 9 Badges. There are a total of 21 items submitted on this letter.