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Northshield Kingdom ILoI dated 2018-07-22

Greetings unto Baron Iohannes Glenfidanus, Polaris Herald, the Heralds of Northshield, and our brethren from other kingdoms. Herein please find the Northshield July Internal Letter. Comments are due by August 20, 2018.

1: Elis Godbeare -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Northshield LoI of December 31, 2017 as submitted.

Azure, a bear rampant contourney gorged of an embattled coronet sable within a bordure rayonny Or

Submitter was Queen of the Kingdom of Northshield from fall 2007 to spring 2008. She was awarded the rank of Countess on April 19, 2008, giving her the right to an embattled coronet on her arms.

Submission History: The device 'Azure, a bear rampant engorged of an embattled coronet sable and a bordure rayonny Or', was returned on the Northshield November 2017 LoI for conflicting with the following:

Greenland The following device associated with this name was registered in January of 2014 (via Laurel): Azure, a polar bear sejant erect argent. Important non-SCA armory

(https://oscar.sca.org/kingdom/kingsingleitem.php?kingdom=19&id=81313)

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-07-23 03:17:08
Fixing the "contourney" misspelling, and such like:

Azure, a bear rampant contourny gorged of a coronet embattled sable within a bordure rayonny Or

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-07-24 09:27:46
Agree with Gerard's reblazon, but it needs a slight tweak: "…a bear rampant contourny argent…". Also agree that a longer wavelength of the rayonny line would be better. No conflicts found.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-07-24 23:32:41
Quite so:

Azure, a bear rampant argent contourny gorged of a coronet embattled sable within a bordure rayonny Or

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-07-23 03:33:37
The rays of the rayonny are good for depth but somewhat too narrow to please our Sovereigns.

Amalie Jäger von Holstein's device from http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=12811, image NOT shown here because it also has a problem of too shallow rays, was

returned for using too many small rayons. Section VIII.3 of the Rules for Submissions says that "Elements must be used in a design so as to preserve their individual identifiability." There are sixteen repeats of the rayonny on the chief. Fourteen has been deemed to be an excessive number of repeats for a pale, so this is far too many for a chief.
Here there are 13 repeats down the sides.

Other cases have been given artist's notes. The first image below from http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=18660 was registered to Doireann of Danegeld Tor but with the note, "Please advise the submitter to draw larger and fewer rayons".

The second, from https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=55423 for the Barony of Glymm Mere's Orden de Juana, while returned for the gouttes' shape, was with a complaint, "The bordure should also be drawn with fewer, thicker rayons." The registered form of the latter is the third image.

And in returning Frederich Holstein der Tollhase's proposed device, fourth image below from http://www.midrealm.org/heraldry/escutcheon/ILoI/archive/0005/0005.html, dated 5/15/00, http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2000/11/00-11lar.html said, "There are far too many rayons in the line of division to make this consistent with period practice. A typical per chevron rayonny line would have about seven or eight rayons; this has four times that many." Across the chief here there are 9 "rayons", in a length significantly shorter than a per chevron line. Note that the registered version of Frederich's device, fifth image below, has 9 on his line of division, one more than the stated typical number.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2 3: Image 3 4: Image 4 5: Image 5

Arwyn of Leicester (White Wyvern) at 2018-08-18 11:17:59
No conflicts found.


2: Helvia Messalina -New Name & New Device

Argent, six crescents azure

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

This feminine Roman name was constructed following the naming pattern of <nomen> + <cognomen> described in "A Simple Guide to Imperial Roman Names" by Ursula Georges (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/roman.html)

Helvia is the feminized version of the nomen <Helvius>, following the pattern of forming feminine nomen from masculine nomen by changing -us to -a, as described in the above referenced source. The masculine nomen <Helvius> is listed in that source.

Messalina is the cognomen of the third wife of the Roman emperor Claudius (born before AD 20-died 48). "Encyclopedia Britannica" (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Messalina-Valeria)

Also, from "1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Agrippina (younger)" https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica/Agrippina_(younger) Please note that it will be necessary to manually add the (younger) to the url if you are trying to follow this link. OSCAR will NOT pick up the full url because of the parentheses. After repeated tries, this was my best option.

"Assisted by the influential freedman Pallas, she induced her uncle the emperor Claudius to marry her after the death of <Messalina>, and adopt the future Nero as heir to the throne in place of Britannicus."

Name Comments:

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2018-07-23 09:05:54
Disregard this comment; brain fog. Messalina - No Photocopy, "NAMES FROM THE FAMILY SEARCH HISTORICAL RECORDS: NAMES FROM CLASSICAL HISTORY AND MYTHOLOGY" Alissa Pyrich (SCA: Alys Mackyntoich) 2014 KWHSS, p.23, Valeria, "Valeria is the feminine form of a Roman cognomen. Most famously, it was borne by the third wife of the Emperor Claudius. (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/377067/Messalina-Valeria)."

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-07-24 09:28:19
Docs check out.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-07-24 09:28:39
No conflicts found.

Iago ab Adam at 2018-07-24 16:02:23
Lovely!


3: Olaf Kristiernsson -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.

Olaf - Norse masculine given name

<Olaf> dated to 1480-1530 found in Academy of St Gabriel Report 2896 by Aryanhwy merch Catmael, (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2896.txt)

<Olafr> dated to the 9th century found in "Viking Names found in Landnámabók" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael, (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html)

The Viking Answer Lady website shows <Óláfr> as more common in West Scandinavia. "Danish place-name evidence suggests that the forms Alef and Alaf were also current in Denmark, but the usual forms in East Scandinavia were Olaf and Olef." (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml#o)

Kristiernsson - Kristiern in Denmark 1047-1076. "inn kristni" from "Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/vikbynames.html)

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2018-07-23 01:24:21
Lind col. 811 sn. Óláfr
Olaf, Norway, 1380

col. 718 sn Kristian
Cristierns, genitive, Norway (apparently dated 1474: http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst_2016.prl?b=907&s=n&str=Cristierns%)
And for examples beginning with K:
Kristians, genitive, Norway, 1403
Kristiærs, genitive, Norway, 1424
Krysterns, genitive, Norway, 1449

So, as a late 14th/early 15th Norwegian name, it's good!

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-07-24 09:29:05
ffride's references seem to sew this one up.


4: Pedro de Benavides -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Northshield LoI of February 28, 2018 as submitted.

Azure, three loaves of bread Or and on a chief argent a yoke gules

Submission History: The device 'Azure, three breadloaves Or and on a chief argent a yoke gules', was returned on the Northshield January 2018 LoI for a redraw due to issues of identifiability. (https://oscar.sca.org/kingdom/kingsingleitem.php?kingdom=19&id=82676)

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-07-23 10:29:01
The safe method of copying a Mistholme yoke has succeeded. (Irrelevant for registration: For future reference--if only mine!--the URL for searching that Humanity Development Library referenced in the earlier discussion is http://www.nzdl.org/gsdlmod?a=p&p=about&c=hdl.)

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-07-24 09:29:26
There's certainly no problem of identifiability this time.


Thus ends the July Internal Letter for Northshield.

In service to Northshield & the College of Arms

Mistress Mira Fastova

Keythong Herald


OSCAR counts 2 Names and 3 Devices. There are a total of 5 items submitted on this letter.