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Trimaris ILoI dated 2019-01-13

Unto The College of Heralds,

Greetings!

Please find the Resubmission for the device for the Shire of Dragon's Chase. I welcome your commentary.

1: Shire of Dragons Chase -Resub Device

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Argent, three dragons passant wings addorsed in annulo gules on a chief chequy argent and sable a laurel wreath vert.

Shire name was registered via Trimaris in July of 2017

Device Comments:

Neave inghean ui Fhathaigh (Niamh inghean ui Fhathaigh) at 2019-01-13 08:59:23
Why was this sent back please?

ffride wlffsdotter at 2019-01-14 02:37:21
From the July 2018 LoAR:
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2018/07/18-07lar.html#215
"This device is returned for redraw. The submitter's previous submission was returned on the July 2017 LoAR with the following note: "This device is returned for redraw. The dragons in annulo are too small to be identified, especially on the checky background." The submitted artwork is effectively the same, with a slight recoloration that does not address the reason for return."

Here's the previous submission:

1: Image 1

Juetta Copin at 2019-01-21 01:50:19
The dragons are more identifiable now, with a plain background.

Mayken van der Alst at 2019-01-14 08:14:14
This should be marked as a -NEW- submission due to substantial changes to the design. We were unable to make the charges visible enough to meet Wreath's preferences and so the group went ahead with a different design.

Iago ab Adam at 2019-01-14 14:24:53
It's still a resub, even if the changes are substantial.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-02-08 15:50:13
Which means no new fee is required--the College and the kingdom colleges give you unlimited swings at the piñata within certain limits of time.

Iago ab Adam at 2019-01-14 14:24:15
A passant dragon will have its wings addorsed by default. The chief is 'sable and argent', not 'argent and sable'. And there's a comma missing before the chief:

Argent, three dragons passant in annulo gules, on a chief checky sable and argent a laurel wreath vert.

Iago ab Adam at 2019-01-14 14:27:59
This should be 'Resub Device Change', since this branch already has arms:

•Dragons Chase, Shire of ◦The following device associated with this name was registered in June of 1991 (via Trimaris): Sable, on a pile argent surmounted by a laurel wreath counterchanged, a manatee azure.
And since this is a change, we also need to know what the group would like done with the old device - released, or kept as ancient arms?

Seraphina Delphino (Ragged Staff) at 2019-01-14 20:45:24
There is a step from period practice for charges in annulo not their default orientation

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-01-18 18:50:34
This addresses the reasons for the previous return. The fact that the dragons are conjoined should be blazoned. The issue of their posture still needs to be dealt with. No conflicts found.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-01-21 19:55:48
I don't see that their postures need dealing with, other than to acknowledge that an SFPP is incurred. Am I missing something?

But indeed we need one word added to Maister Iago's blazon above, viz.:

Argent, three dragons passant conjoined in annulo gules, on a chief checky sable and argent a laurel wreath vert


Thank you!

Ever at Your Service,

Sibéal inghean Mhurchadha

Lymphad, Kingdom of Trimaris


OSCAR counts 1 Device. There are a total of 1 items submitted on this letter.