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Trimaris ILoI dated 2018-11-30

Unto the College of Heralds Greetings!

Thank you for your continued support and opportunity to learn.

1: Ciarán Ó Muireagáin -New Alternate Name Change

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Ciar?n ? Muireag?in in September of 2015, via Trimaris.

Calpurnia Fortunata

Old Item: Ciarán Ó Muireagáin, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
No changes.

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/roman.html

Nomen: Calpurnia, from the masculine Calpurnius

Cognomen: Fortunata, from the masculine Fortunatus

Alternate Name Comments:

Seraphina Delphino (Ragged Staff) at 2018-12-06 22:14:58
If this goes to laurel, this is a new change of primary name. As the submitter does not have an alternate name to change.

Lillia de Vaux (Crampette) at 2018-12-07 12:05:49
Don't forget to properly identify the article by title and author when this goes to Laurel. (Our researchers work really hard! Let's recognize them properly!)

Also, it's important to summarize what the article says. For example, the pattern used for women's name is Feminine Nomen + Feminine Cognomen.

The feminization for this submission looks ok to me.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:32:37
Looks OK.

Anna Francesca Massone called Anitra at 2019-01-01 18:54:10
Looks good to me, as well.


2: Cristina Avila -New Name & New Device

Argent, a dragonfly purpure between three crosses of Calatrava azure and a bordure sable

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Spelling most important.

Cristina is dated to 1574 in Elsbeth Anne Roth 16th Century Spanish names

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~kvs/heraldry/spanish16/fem-given-alpha.html

It is also found in Family search; Cristina Morejon; Christening Date 06 Nov 1580; San Pedro Apóstol, Valdunquillo, Valladolid, Spain; BATCH C87399-1

(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FFMG-QW5)

Avila is a surname found in Family Search:

Leonor Avila; Christening Date 21 Oct 1584; SANTA MARIA, CABEZON DE PISUERGA, VALLADOLID, SPAIN; BATCH C87169-1

(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FB9S-SXH)

The submitter prefers Avila rather than de Avila. Unmarked locative bynames are found in Spain per Apendix A of SENA.

If a conflict is found, the submitter allows the addition of a second byname, de la Mar. This is found in Juliana de Luna's "Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century" (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/isabella/locative.html)

Allows adding/ deleteing a word like "de" or "the" or changing the language when the change is small.

Name Comments:

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2018-12-02 15:32:51
The name looks good. No conflicts found.

Lillia de Vaux (Crampette) at 2018-12-07 12:07:23
No conflicts found.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:33:33
Docs check out. The Family Search entry for Leonor Avila shows the surname without the preposition.

Device Comments:

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2018-12-02 15:28:55
No conflicts found.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:34:27
No conflicts found.


3: Dagný Karlsdóttir -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Culture (Norse) most important.

Dagný is a Norse female given name for 14th century found on Viking Answer Lady Web site; http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml

Karlsdóttir - surname; Karl is found on The Viking Answer Lady Web site http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml

and the construction of Karlsdóttir follows naming pattern for patronymics as found on the Viking Answer Ladywebsite ; http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONNames.shtml#general_info

Name Comments:

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2018-12-02 15:40:08
This name appears to be correctly formed and documented, and I found no conflicts.

Lillia de Vaux (Crampette) at 2018-12-07 12:14:17
According to Gunnvor's page, Dagný appears in the early 14th century legendary saga Þórsteins þáttr bæjarmagns as the mother of the title character. Gunnvor cites CV pp. 94-95 s.v. dagr; NR s.v. -ný.

Karl is a personal name and byname in Old Danish, Old Swedish, and OW.Norse.

So it looks ok.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:34:51
Docs check out.


4: Kelly MacAy -New Name & New Device

Per pale azure and sable, a fess dancetty between two latin crosses clechy and a horse head erased sinister Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound (Kelly Mackay) most important.

Kelly: Legal first name of submitter (showed ID); this was seen by Juliana Laurel and Rhiannon Kraken. The byname is not related to the submitted byname.

It is also justifiable as a late period English given name derived from a family name: in the Family Search Historical Records, Agnes Kelly, female, christened on 14 Dec 1588 in Devon, England Batch #C05169-1

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5ZK-H8R

MacAy: Black SN Mackay Gilchrist M'Ay 1326 Gilchrist Mac ymar McAy 1326 both expanded to MacAy from the attested scribal abbreviation.

Allows adding/deleting a word like "de" or "the" or changing the language when the change is small.

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:35:43
Given name doc checks out. I no longer have access to Black.

ffride wlffsdotter at 2018-12-18 00:47:00
You may be in luck, as it has been digitised and is freely available on Hathitrust: https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015011274175

Here's page 522 sn. Mackay: https://hdl.handle.net/2027/mdp.39015011274175?urlappend=%3Bseq=610

Device Comments:

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2018-12-02 15:54:11
Checking for conflict the closest found were:

Lerthan inghean Uilliam The following device associated with this name was registered in November of 2001 (via An Tir): Per fess vert and sable, a dance between three triquetras Or. One DC for changes to the field One DC for changing the type of all secondaries Clear.

Helena Mutzhasen The following badge associated with this name was registered in March of 2009 (via AEthelmearc): Azure, a dance between three semiminims Or. One DC for changes to the field One DC for changing the type of all secondaries Clear.

Bridget of St. Katherine The following device associated with this name was registered in October of 2003 (via the West): Gules, a dance between three hawk's bells Or. One DC for changes to the field One DC for changing the type of all secondaries Clear.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-05 11:59:05
Adjusting a little:

Per pale azure and sable, a dance between two Latin crosses clechy and a horse's head erased contourny Or

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:36:24
Agree with Gerard's blazon. No conflicts found.


5: Milesenda de Bourges -New Heraldic Title

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2004, via the East.

Joli-Couer Herald

No major changes.
Meaning (Happy heart/ joyous heart) most important.

Title documented from: Heraldic Titles from the Middle Ages and Renaissance: Overview, by Juliana de Luna

http://medievalscotland.org/jes/HeraldicTitles/heraldic_titles_by_type.shtml#FRENCH_MOTTOS

Joli-Couer Pursuivant - This French title is a motto in origin; it means "merry heart." George dates it to period.

George, John, 1986, The French Heralds: St. Andrew Lecture 1985. Double Tressure 8:19-39.

Heraldic Title Comments:

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2018-12-02 16:05:03
This threw me off, because In my experience "joli" means "pretty" rather than "Merry" or "joyous". Admittedly, it's been a while since I studied French, but in my recollection "joyeux" means "joyous" and "heureuse" means "happy", and typically descriptive adjectives follow the subject. Of course, I never studied "medieval" French, and if Joli-Coeur is a period usage, as the documentation clearly shows, then I gladly accept it. No conflicts found.

Thomas von Wildtstein at 2018-12-04 09:25:04
There are a number of adjectives that come before the noun. Such as: Haute cuisine (high cooking), haute couture (high sewing/fashion), petit four (little oven), petit point (little dot). Joli/jolie is one of those adjectives that goes before the noun. Such as - Good, bad, beautiful, pretty, new, old, large, small. http://www.french-linguistics.co.uk/grammar/adjectives_position.shtml

As for meaning - there is a period usage of joli/jolie meaning happy or joyous. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/joli



These are really quick/low level sources.

Lillia de Vaux (Crampette) at 2018-12-07 09:14:46
IMHO, we don't need to focus so much on the literal translation as the fact that (a) it's a period heraldic title, and (b) it's spelled in a period manner.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:37:01
Despite the reference, I can't help wondering if there was a typo somewhere and that it was Joli-Coeur.

Thomas von Wildtstein at 2018-12-10 03:09:50
Cœur and coeur are equivalent.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-10 20:56:24
But not Couer.

Thomas von Wildtstein at 2018-12-13 01:08:52
Lymphad has been informed of the need for a correction. Thank you!


6: Niamh inghean ui Fhathaigh -New Name & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Neassa ni Fhathaigh(9/1992)

Per chevron inverted Or and gules an arm palewise couped maintaining a book closed proper

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (Gaelic, Irish, 1300's) most important.

Niamh is a Irish female given name for the time period 1300's found in Irish Names by O Corrain & Maguire, pg 146

Fhathaigh is a Irish family name for the time period 1300's found in

http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/Gaelic.html

Name Comments:

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2018-12-02 16:11:55
Ó Fathaigh is the masculine form, and inghean uí Fhathaigh is the lenited feminine form, so this name appears to me to be formed correctly. No conflicts found.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:37:45
Looks OK.

Device Comments:

Vémundr Syvursson at 2018-12-03 17:54:30
We don't actually appear to have a defined "proper" for books in Table 4. (http://heraldry.sca.org/coagloss.html#proper)

I'm not experienced enough to know what that means for this particular design or it's blazon, however. Is "...a closed book brown proper." allowed?

I haven't done a conflict check at this time.

Etienne Le Mons (Sea Stag) at 2018-12-03 18:37:23
Call it a leather bound book proper.

Neave inghean ui Fhathaigh (Niamh inghean ui Fhathaigh) at 2018-12-04 20:15:00
Per Mistholme ; By Society convention, a book "bound proper" is bound in brown leather. https://mistholme.com/?s=book That is where we obtained the premise for the blazon

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-05 12:12:15
But https://mistholme.com/dictionary/book/ also shows that "closed" is one of the adjectives that precedes the noun in blazon. http://mistholme.com/dictionary/arm/ shows the lower charge is a cubit arm in its default posture, couped by default. The book is comparatively large enough that I think we should use sustaining. So also adding a comma after the field:

Per chevron inverted Or and gules, a cubit arm maintaining a closed book proper

(Vémundr Syvursson: The sequence used is, e.g., "a brown cow proper".)

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:38:46
The sable detailing of the arm makes it a bit hard to instantly identify. No conflicts found.

Cadhla Ó Faoláin (Cadhla O'Faolain) at 2018-12-14 20:29:48
Is this better for the shading?

1: Image 1 2: Image 2

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-15 07:47:51
There's no mistaking this one for a tree trunk!


7: Nishigori Mitsume -New Name & New Device

Argent, three turtles in annulo statant reversed within a bordure, all vert

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for Kamakura period-- 14th Century Japanese.
Language (Kamakura period-- 14th Century Japanese) most important.
Culture (Kamakura period-- 14th Century Japanese) most important.

Nishigori Thorandardottir, Solveig Name construction in Medieval Japan, p. 224 Attested as a surname in the Kamakura period, 1332

Mistsumune Thorandardottir, Solveig Name construction in Medieval Japan, p. 262 aAttested as a masculine "nanori" in the Kamakura period, 1332

Name Comments:

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2018-12-02 16:13:09
No conflicts found

Device Comments:

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2018-12-02 16:16:13
Having these turtles in annulo is a SFPP, but I found no conflicts.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-05 12:30:04
Whether our beasts face deasil or widdershins in annulo is treated as artistic detail. But since turtles are tergiant by default, we need to say these aren't. Propose something like:

Argent, three turtles statant in annulo within a bordure vert

Unfortunately, these aren't actually statant, which would put all of their legs perpendicular to their bodies; passant, with one front foot raised; or even courant (foolish-sounding as that might be for turtles), with the front legs extended forward as the back legs are currently extended to the rear. Submissions have recently been returned when leg positions have matched no heraldic posture, so I believe this emblazon needs correction.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:39:54
No conflicts found. This is a tortoise because it's a land animal with feet. Turtles are aquatic and have flippers instead of feet. (We don't count any difference between them, especially because some commenters want to reserve "turtle" for the turtledove.) Agree on blazoning them statant because close inspection shows their left legs just barely visible.


8: Straley Medved -New Name & New Device

Azure, a hammer and sword in saltire argent and in chief argent three bears passant sable

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Culture (Russian) most important.

Straley - Family name (circa 1366- 1386) documentation of given name provided.

Medved is a Russian family name circa 1218 to 1523 found http://heraldry.sca.org/names/paul/ma.html

Name Comments:

Kolosvari Arpadne Julia at 2018-12-02 19:54:21
Straley does not resemble any Russian given name that I can find. Can we please have a proper summary of the documentation?

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2018-12-06 22:13:58
Nor can I. Was there no documentation provided for this name element?

Lillia de Vaux (Crampette) at 2018-12-07 12:19:25
Don't forget to properly summarize the sources and what they say about an element. This includes citing the author and title, not just the URL.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:40:23
Surname doc checks out. There is nothing for the given name to be seen, even though the submission says there is.

ffride wlffsdotter at 2018-12-18 01:37:17
Huuuuuuh, from https://www.houseofnames.com/straley-family-crest (a "family coat of arms" business website) says:
"This web page shows only a small excerpt of our Straley research.
Another 80 words (6 lines of text) covering the years 1366 and 1386 are included under the topic Early Straley History in all our PDF Extended History products and printed products wherever possible."

So, let's assume for the moment that "Straley" is a surname.

That leaves us with Medved' which is documented here as a byname and not a given name.
Moroshkin's Slavi͡anskīĭ imenoslov; ili, Sobranīe slavi͡anskikh lichnykh imen v alfavitnom pori͡adki͡e p. 121 sn. Медведекъ points to:
Meduvedec Reg. Boh. 1218, 275.

Sure enough, Regesta Bohemiae et Moraviae volume 1, p. 275 has, 13th line from the bottom:
"Jenis et Meduvedec et plures alii."

Is that enough evidence for a Bohemian "Meduvedec" to be used as a given name?

If it is, then a surname like Ströli becomes possible:
Mittelhochdeutsches Namenbuch. Nach oberrheinischen Quellen des 12. und 13. Jahrhunderts, by Adolf Socin has page p. 168
C. Ströli, 1300
Hartman Ströli, 14th century (using ö for o-superscript-e, an earlier form of what eventually became the umlaut.)
Hesso Strœlinus, 1192

SENA Appendix C says German can be mixed with North Slavic, so could "Meduvedec Ströli" work?

Neave inghean ui Fhathaigh (Niamh inghean ui Fhathaigh) at 2018-12-23 14:45:41
Straley is the client's given name and can provide documentation of same if needed to to register name.

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-05 12:36:28
Correcting the blazon:

Azure, a hammer and a sword in saltire and on a chief argent three bears passant sable

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-05 12:38:58
The bendwise charge is rather ornate for a hammer, to the point that it more closely resembles the period war hammer at http://mistholme.com/dictionary/hammer/. The submitter should be consulted as to whether

Azure, a war hammer and a sword in saltire and on a chief argent three bears passant sable

better expresses his intent.

Cadhla Ó Faoláin (Cadhla O'Faolain) at 2018-12-07 08:05:25
The client is ok with the hammer being called a war hammer.

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2018-12-06 22:25:56
Closest found (and this is really close) was Bjorn Isenkrammenhandler The following device associated with this name was registered in April of 1982 (via An Tir): Azure, a hammer and a sword in saltire and on a chief argent three Clouded Leopard's heads cabossed proper. [Panthera nebulosa] One DC for changing the type of all tertiary charges One DC for changing the tincture of the tertiaries Clear.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:41:49
Agree with Gerard's blazon. No conflicts found.


9: Thomas von Wildtstein -New Alternate Name & New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2006, via Trimaris.

Þōrbiǫrn Rāðulfsson (Tho-rbio,rn Ra-dhulffson)

Sable, two bears rampant addorsed argent between four estoils Or.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound (Old norse) most important.
Language (Old Norse / Swedish - either Þórbiǫrn or Þórbjǫrn) most important.
Culture most important.

Þōrbiǫrn Rāðulfsson (or Þōrbjǫrn (Tho-rbjo,rn) / Icelandic - Þórbjorn Ráðúlfsson)From Viking Answer Lady Þórbjorn - .

Ráðúlfr -- RáðúlfssonFound in Old Danish as Rathulf, in Old Swedish as Radholf, and in OW.Norse as Ráðúlfr. -ssonFrom Geirr bassi Haraldsson's The Old Norse Name. Names end in terminal -R, which normally forms the genitive by adding -s. Name ends in -r - replaced with -s. Ie Grímr Grimm+s+sson = Grímsson

The Viking Answer Lady Webpage - http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONNames.shtml

Alternate Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:42:12
Looks OK.

ffride wlffsdotter at 2018-12-18 01:42:01
Accents have gone a little funny in this submission.
Nordiskt runnamnslexikon (https://www.sprakochfolkminnen.se/download/18.6dffb94c149794d926e379/1529494180581/Runnamnslexikon_T %20141106.pdf) has:
p. 228 sn. Þórbiǫrn, masculine name.
p. 178 sn. RáðulfR, masculine name.

The expected patronymic would be "Ráðulfsson" and hence an Old East Norse name could be "Þórbiǫrn Ráðulfsson."

Badge Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:42:51
"estoiles" No conflicts found.

Thomas von Wildtstein at 2018-12-13 01:10:38
Darn, it's probably time to replace my keyboard. Lymphad has been made aware of my mistake on the form. Thank you!

Iago ab Adam at 2018-12-10 00:56:21
There being no default arrangement for 4 charges I think we need to make this:

Sable, two bears rampant addorsed argent between in saltire four estoiles Or.


10: Toran Saraev -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 2008, via Trimaris.

Gules, a staple inverted argent and a plate.

Badge Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-05 12:40:51
We do not admit of a default arrangement for two charges, so:

Gules, in pale a staple inverted argent and a plate

Seraphina Delphino (Ragged Staff) at 2018-12-06 22:22:12
If this goes to laurel, this is a resub

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:43:32
No conflicts found.


11: Tristrum de Kerjean -New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister, vert and argent a chimera statant argent and a rondelle sable.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound (As close to Tristrum as possible) most important.

Submitter desires a masculine name from the region of Brittany. He would prefer Tristrum if we can find it in period. Tristrum is a variant of Tristram.

Tristram: is found in "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia "by Talan Gwynek http://heraldry.sca.org/names/bahlow_v.htm Tristram is a masculine given name with 2 instances dated to 1409 and 1418

De Kerjean- Surname, locative- "of Kerjean", a castle/village in Brittany.

Mahotte de Kerjean; File kh7v-1DW. . FamilySearch Wiki, . Retrieved 00:02, December 1, 2018 fromhttps://www.familysearch.org/tree/find/id?search=1&id=kh7v-1DW&_=1543707103400

Name Comments:

Lillia de Vaux (Crampette) at 2018-12-07 09:24:51
Kerjean is a Breton place name meaning, roughly, "town/village of Jean", following the pattern of using the suffix Ker- ("ville") and a personal name (Dauzat, Les Noms de Lieux, p. 177, 1963 edn.). See the acceptance of Simon Kerbouchard:

Submitted as Simon Ker Bouchard, no evidence was given for the combination of an Irish byname followed by a French surname of apparently patronymic origin. Dauzat (Dictionnaire étymologique des noms de famille et des prénoms de France) tells that the initial element ker is a Breton word meaning "village"; Morlet (Dictionnaire étymologique des noms de famille) notes further that it is cognate to the caer found in Britain. It is stated to frequently appear in toponymic formations for the names of domains followed by the name of an ancient owner. As Bouchard is an ancient baptismal name, Kerbouchard would seem to follow such known examples as Kerdavid and Kerjean. [Simon Kerbouchard, Jun. 2000, A-Atenveldt]
There is a 16th C château in Kerjean, but I haven't found a period reference to it.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:44:30
Don't see anything on Tristrum, but is the client aware that Tristram is pronounced more or less identically to how Tristrum would be?

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-05 12:44:39
Moving the comma and adjusting the spelling:

Per bend sinister vert and argent, a chimera statant argent and a roundel sable

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-05 12:45:16
Does the roundel need to be larger as befits its status as a co-primary charge, which would force it downward?

Or not?

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2018-12-06 22:30:13
I suspect the roundel could stand to be larger.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:46:02
Agree with Gerard's blazon. No conflicts found.

Cadhla Ó Faoláin (Cadhla O'Faolain) at 2018-12-19 19:03:23
Here is with larger rondel

1: Image 1


12: Tristrum de Kerjean -New Name

Name Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-05 12:45:42
Has the documentation been omitted by mistake?

Seraphina Delphino (Ragged Staff) at 2018-12-06 22:33:26
Tristrum is found in Family Search
Tristrum Newton, male, christened 09 Oct 1623 in London, England Batch #C02230-2 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYNP-CJG

Tristrum Aldredge, male, married on 19 Aug 1605 in Norfolk, England Batch# M15305-1 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXB1-MZH

Seraphina Delphino (Ragged Staff) at 2018-12-07 09:02:47
This precedent from June 2000 should be good enough for Kerjean.

Submitted as Simon Ker Bouchard, no evidence was given for the combination of an Irish byname followed by a French surname of apparently patronymic origin. Dauzat (Dictionnaire étymologique des noms de famille et des prénoms de France) tells that the initial element ker is a Breton word meaning "village"; Morlet (Dictionnaire étymologique des noms de famille) notes further that it is cognate to the caer found in Britain. It is stated to frequently appear in toponymic formations for the names of domains followed by the name of an ancient owner. As Bouchard is an ancient baptismal name, Kerbouchard would seem to follow such known examples as Kerdavid and Kerjean.(Simon Kerbouchard, June 200)

Lillia de Vaux (Crampette) at 2018-12-07 12:20:24
Duplicate name.


13: Ulfrgester Mjodtunga -New Name & New Device

Per chevron argent and sable, two squirrels sejant erect respectant gules and a Thor's hammer argent,

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Meaning (Stange wolf, the honey tongue) most important.

Ulfr is a Norse male given name combined with Gester also a norse male given name found in Geir Bassi Harldsson,The Old Norse Name, Studia Marklandica (series) (Olney, Maryland: Yggsalr Press, 1977). pgs 10 and 15

The Honey tongue - Mjodtunga is a by name under the category of nickname;

A Simple Guide to Creating Old Norse Names by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Uckelman)

http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/sg-viking.html

http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/vikbynames.html

Name Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2018-12-05 13:01:17
The submitter accurately describes the structure of his proposed given name. Unfortunately, that structure is not attested in Norse. The two names cannot simply be separated; https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2005/06/05-06lar.html s.n. Sven gunnolfr Ragnaldson notes that double given names are "unattested in Old Norse naming practice". Nor can names be pushed together in that language as these two are. There are plenty composed of two halves, where the halves are attested as such (called prototheme and deuterotheme), but that is not the case here.

The simplest solution is for submitter to choose either

<Ulfr Mjodtunga> or <Gester Mjodtunga>

He can instead attach one to his father, e.g., <Gester Mjodtunga Ulfsson>.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2018-12-05 19:11:43
Is that second given name not <Gestr>?

Neave inghean ui Fhathaigh (Niamh inghean ui Fhathaigh) at 2018-12-05 19:39:10
Gunnvor Orle, you are correct there is a typo and it should read Gestr.

Neave inghean ui Fhathaigh (Niamh inghean ui Fhathaigh) at 2018-12-08 11:25:16
I have spoken to the client, He is willing to change to Ulf(r) Mjodtunga

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:46:29
Glad to hear it!

ffride wlffsdotter at 2018-12-18 02:04:34
There actually is the name "Úlfgestr," and its' later medieval form "Vgester"?
Lind col. 1049 sn. Úlfgestr has:
Þorlakr Vlfgestzsun, ca. 1190
Þordr Ulfgestsson, ca. 1200
Vgester Helghæson, Norway, 1368

Lind Personbinamn col. 388 lists:
Loftunga (praise-tongue), Ormstunga (serpent's-tongue), and Naðrstunga (adder's-tongue).
These three bynames are to do with speech, as they are the bynames of poets/skalds, rather than referring to taste.

I'd recommend asking the submitter if they prefer "Úlfgestr," or "Vgester," and if they want a byname that implies they're a flatterer/say sweet things?

Neave inghean ui Fhathaigh (Niamh inghean ui Fhathaigh) at 2018-12-23 13:22:39
Response was Úlfgestr and a byname that implies they're a flatterer/say sweet things, please if we can.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2018-12-09 13:46:58
No conflicts found.


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OSCAR counts 9 Names, 1 Alternate Name, 1 Alternate Name Change, 1 Heraldic Title, 7 Devices and 2 Badges. There are a total of 21 items submitted on this letter.