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Trimaris ILoI dated 2015-11-01

Our apologies for initially putting this up as an LoI. We are currently working as a team and had some minor communication issues internally. Thank you all for your patience with us.

Sincerely,

Finnguala inghean Alusdair

Triskele Emeritus

Please find below the October internal for Trimaris. Thank you for your patience as we work to straighten out various backlog and submission issues and place a new submissions herald. Special thanks to the prior submissions heralds in other kingdoms that helped me learn OSCAR on the fly.

In service,

Mistress Milesenda de Bourges, OL

Triskele Herald

Letter Comments:

Eridana Ambra Dragotta (Ambre) at 2015-10-30 23:44:37
Not sure but many of the resub items appear to be Kingdom and not Laurel resubmissions.

Milesenda de Bourges (Triskele) at 2015-10-31 19:15:34
That is correct, yes. Several were rejected off prior internals and have been resubmitted.

Milesenda de Bourges (Triskele) at 2015-10-31 19:20:16
And just realized this got published as an external and should be an internal. Sigh. Let us see if we can fix that

Seraphina Delphino (Golden Dolphin) at 2015-10-31 00:13:42
Some of these submissions are missing the black and white image, is that going to be a problem?

Milesenda de Bourges (Triskele) at 2015-10-31 19:14:18
I have the black and whites and will upload them tomorrow. I had to track them down from the prior submissions herald.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:05:55
Comments on this letter under my name represent the consensus of the NE Calontir commenting group, consisting this month of Lord Caoimhin McKee, Rouge Sanglier Herald Extraordinary, Lady Rohese de Dinan, Shadowdale Pursuivant, and myself.

1: Aibhilin inghean Ui Raghallaigh -Resub Name & Resub Device

Vert, a bend gemel between two Bowen crosses and on a chief argent two branches of ivy intertwined vert.

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Aibhilín: is an Early Modern Irish Gaelic feminine name found in "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari Elspeth nic

Bryan. It is found in the Annals in entries during years 1498-1583.

(http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Aibhilin.shtml)

Raghallaigh: is found in "16th & 17th Century Anglicized Irish Surnames from Woulfe," Mari ingen Briain meic

Donnchada, p. 628 with the Gaelic headers Ó Raghailligh, Ó Raghallaigh,

http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/Woulfe/SortedByAnglicizedRoot_P.shtml

inghean Uí provides the correct feminine form of the name

Name Comments:

Alys Mackyntoich (Ogress) at 2015-11-05 03:06:53
Confirmed the documentation and construction. The omission of accents is permissible. I found no conflicts.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:07:03
Docs check out. No conflicts found.

Device Comments:

Ardan O Raghailligh at 2015-11-04 15:49:51
Edited - This is the correct version.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:07:23
Does mundane heraldry use the term "gemel" with anything but bars? I've never been a fan of parsley garnish but I've mostly given up on mentioning it. Rohese wonders if the ivy may be too close to Celtic knotwork and isn't sure this can be accurately reproduced from the blazon. No conflicts found.

Milesenda de Bourges (Triskele) at 2015-11-24 19:45:40
I believe that was just the vector image used in terms of closeness to knot work in to case. I would have drawn it more naturally as a scribe but suspect that would be fine with the the submitter as well. Will confirm. Or Ardan can check :)

Ardan O Raghailligh at 2015-11-26 17:07:36
A "natural" version of intertwined ivy is fine -- Per confirmation of submitter. Image used was just the vector that we used.


2: Alane Godwin -New Name & New Device

Azure, a dove volant addorsed within a bordure argent.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

Alane: - Alane appears twice in the compilation of personal names of historical figures from The Bruce by John

Borbour, as listed in "13th & 14th Century Scottish Names" by Symon Freser of Lovat. Found at http://www.sgabriel.

org/names/symonFreser/scottish14/scottish14_given.html

Godwin: is a header spelling in R&W (pg. 195, header) with multiple spellings listed including Walter Godwin

1177. From the OE Godwine meaning "good friend". In addition, it is in Bardsley (pg. 323, header), undated.

Name Comments:

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2015-11-24 10:25:20
The correct url for Freser's article is https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/symonFreser/scottish14/scottish14_given.html Freser's article does not give a sex, but the Dictionary of Medieval Names from European Sources, s.n. Alan, gives this Alane, Early Modern English in 1530, a masculine variant of Alan. http://dmnes.org/name/Alan.
Both docs check out.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:08:23
Given name doc checks out as a masculine name, but the R&W entry doesn't read as given. The name is Walter Godwin'. The apostrophe usually indicates an omitted terminal "-e". The name as submitted is probably registerable, but it's masculine. That's OK with the College if it is with the client. No conflicts found.

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2015-11-25 06:41:37
DMNES shows a Latin genitive in England, Godwini, 1189. S.L. Uckelman. "Godwin". In S.L. Uckelman, ed. The Dictionary of Medieval Names from European Sources, Edition 2015, no. 3. http://dmnes.org/2015/3/name/Godwin.

Device Comments:

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-11-01 10:44:17
Consider: Arianwen ferch Lawen, Dec 1987 (via Calontir): Azure, a swallow volant within a bordure embattled argent. Unsure if there would be a DC between swallow and dove..

Milesenda de Bourges (Triskele) at 2015-11-01 12:12:58
Probably not. A bird is a bird is a bird. I'll contact the submitter and see if there's any other change she'd like to make to get a DC. Thank you - we conflict checked but missed that one (obviously)

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-11-10 15:53:46
Agreed.. and in the case small bird vs small bird

Sǫlveig Þrándardóttir (Solveig Throndardottir) at 2015-11-17 02:22:37
There are actually four regular categories of bird, but both birds are "regular shaped" birds. A swallow has a divided tail and this division is supposed to be exaggerated in heraldry. But, I do not believe that there is enough difference to clear conflict. Perhaps the client could put an olive branch in the beak of the bird.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:08:53
The wings are addorsed, not the whole bird. Agree about the conflict with Arianwen. Her device was registered from Shadowdale, but she left here many years ago.


3: Algirdas Gozzosohn -Resub Name & Resub Device

Or, on a mullet azure an owl close maintaining a trident Or.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Language most important.
Culture (lithuania) most important.

Client currently goes by Gzu and wishes a similar sounding name.

Algirdas - Algirdas, Polish Olgierd (born c. 1296--died 1377), grand duke of Lithuania from 1345 to 1377, -

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/15116/Algirdas

Gozzosohn - The closest that was documentable was Gozzo. Since German does not have unmarked patronymics it changes to Gozzoshn (Gozzo's son),

http://www.krems.gv.at/system/web/zusatzseite.aspx?menuonr=220290193&detailonr=115943683 - Krems Historical figure lists

Gozzo von Krems as a (mid to late 13th century), city judge

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-11-13 04:01:03
Actually, German does have unmarked patronymics.
SENA Appendix A notes patronymics are "Unmarked, rarely marked".

Urkundenbuch Des Landes Ob Der Enns, Volume 4 p. 46 in a Latin document dated 1286 mentions "Gozzo et Yrnfridus... Judex in Chrems"
(https://books.google.com.au/books?id=puY4AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA46&dq=Gozzo+von+Krems&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y# v=onepage&q=Gozzo%20von%20Krems&f=false and image 1)

On the June 2015 LoAR for Keistutus Prus Andrzejewski (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2015/06/15-06lar.html#20):
"The given name Kęstutis appears to be a modern Lithuanian form of a Polish name and cannot be registered without documentation that it is a period form."
(I think sometimes the College gets geography and language confused, so it's still a Lithuanian name, just recorded in Polish/German/Latin/etc.)
So, similarly, we need to figure out how Algirdas was spelled.

Rimvydas Petrauskas 2002. "The Lithuanian Nobility in the late fourteenth and fifteenth centuries: composition and structure" Lithuanian Historical Studies 7; 1-22 (etalpykla.lituanistikadb.lt/fedora/objects/LT-LDB-0001:J.04~2003~1367165996283/datastreams/DS.002.1.01.ARTIC/content) notes that around the 14th century, you'd be looking at Latin-language documents:
"To identify themselves in the case of necessity, they used such formulas as haeres, filius, or de...."

The Liv-estund-kurländisches Urkundenbuch (https://archive.org/stream/livestundkurlnd00hollgoog#page/n445/mode/1up/search/1385) has:
MCCXXVI October 10th, 1385: "...quod pater noster Algirde, quondam rex Littoviae..."
But my Latin isn't good enough to know if <Algirde> is in the nominative case, or not? Help?

1: Image 1

Haakon Bjornsson (Gold Axe) at 2015-11-14 01:26:50
If unmarked patronymics are allowed submitter would prefer Gozzo.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:09:53
SENA says Lithuanian/German combos are OK. Docs check out. German does indeed have unmarked patronymics, so he can have "Gozzo" if he wishes.

Device Comments:

Brenna Lowri o Ruthin at 2015-11-01 16:52:28
The owl is contourny.

I believe the trident is large enough to be considered sustained.

Sǫlveig Þrándardóttir (Solveig Throndardottir) at 2015-11-17 02:47:41
We no longer worry about a difference between sustained and maintained. I am worried about the identifiability of the trident. The tines are small on the line art and vanishing in the color version.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:11:15
Thank goodness we've done away with that maintained vs. sustained business, so we should be able to use those terms in their normal sense. Since the owl is holding the trident in its claws, we can now say it's maintaining the trident. Or simply "holding a trident with its sinister foot".

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:10:30
The owl is contourny. Caoimhin notes that the little trident needs feeding. No conflicts found.


4: Daniel von Hessen -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2014, via Trimaris.

Or, a dolphin embowed uriant to contourny and on a chief sable, 3 roses argent

Device Comments:

Seraphina Delphino (Golden Dolphin) at 2015-10-31 00:44:56
This does not look like a dolphin to me, it looks more like a fish.
Or, a fish embowed uriant contourny and a chief sable three roses argent.

Appears free of conflict

Sǫlveig Þrándardóttir (Solveig Throndardottir) at 2015-11-17 02:56:59
I agree that this is not a dolphin. Among other things, it is missing the characteristic spiny dorsal fin. It looks something like a gar, but it is somewhat atypical for a heraldic fish as well.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:12:22
"urinant" Our practice is to always spell out numbers: "three roses". No conflicts found with either heraldic dolphins or generic fish. Caoimhin's comment: "Cool!"


5: Dobrogneva Einarsdottir -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (Norse/Russian) most important.
Culture (Viking Era Kiev) most important.

Female from Kiev during the viking age

Dobrogneva - From a "Dictionary of period Russian names" by Paul Wickenden of Thanet, Name Section D - Mor 72

Einarsdottir - Patryonymic - Einarr - "Viking Names found in Landnamabok" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael, then Einarsdottir using instructions from "A simple guide to creating old norse names" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael

Both located under SCA name resources

Name Comments:

Alys Mackyntoich (Ogress) at 2015-11-05 03:16:02
Russian and Scandinavian can be combined per Appendix C of SENA.

<Dobrogneva> is dated to 1043 (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/paul/d.html)

Confirmed the documentation and construction of <Einarsdottir> -- this spelling omits the accent over the o in dottir, which is permitted.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:12:44
No conflicts found.


6: Evfemia Kienast -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (German) most important.
Culture (12-13th century German) most important.

Evfemia - Found in "German Given Names 1200-1250" by Talen Gwynek

Kienast - Found in "Some Early Middle High German Bynames with emphasis on names from Bavarian dialect area" by Brian M. Scott

Both found in the medieval names archive from www.s-gabriel.org/names

Name Comments:

Alys Mackyntoich (Ogress) at 2015-11-05 03:20:36
The urls of the cited articles need to be included

<Evfemia> is a female given name found in "German Given Names 1200-1250" by Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/germ13.html) dated to 1200-1250.

<Kienast> is a byname meaning "pine-branch" found in "Some Early Middle High German Bynames" by Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/Early_German_Bynames.html). Kienast is the header form; the spelling <Chienast> is dated to the 12th cen. "The header forms in this particular article are either normalized Middle High German or dated forms, and are registerable." [Eberhart Stürmære, December 2013, A-Ansteorra].

Sǫlveig Þrándardóttir (Solveig Throndardottir) at 2015-11-17 03:12:41
Would the byname be feminized by appending -in to the end during the client's period of interest? Aryanhwy march Catmael notes that feminine bynames in Rottweill ending in -in had a frequency of 28.7% second only to genitives ending in -s with a frequency of 42.4%. Unmodified bynames only account for 5.5% of women's names. The incidence is higher in Kulmbach with 56.5% of women's bynames ending in -in. I currently believe that "Evfemia Kienastin" would be a more representative form.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:13:28
Docs check out. No conflicts found.


7: Faith Tomlinson -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2013, via Trimaris.

(fieldless) a frog rampant proper, maintaining a skillet, sable

Please note: color variation on image is due to Triskele's inept scanner and will be fixed in future uploads for clarity and fewer lighting issues.

Badge Comments:

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-11-11 09:58:44
No conflicts found.

Sǫlveig Þrándardóttir (Solveig Throndardottir) at 2015-11-17 03:17:06
Did you check for a spoon as well as a skillet? I believe that the form of the object held by the frog is closer to being a medieval spoon than a medieval representation of a skillet. Also, I do not believe that there is a "proper" tincture for frogs, so the tincture needs to be blazoned. Unfortunately, I can not tell what tincture the frog is supposed to be from the images associated with this badge.

Milesenda de Bourges (Triskele) at 2015-11-17 08:07:35
I did not, however if the period skillet is more distinctive I can provide a redrawn image to the submitter. We were having difficulty finding a period skillet image and if it is substantially different, I will correct the issue on my end as the artist. (admittedly, I've never had to draw a frog holding anything before so this was all a new adventure!)

If it's not, either way, we can check for the spoon conflict as well.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:14:51
Blazon fu: "(Fieldless) A frog rampant vert maintaining a skillet sable." The Glossary of Terms gives no default tincture for frogs, so this will need to be specified. Rohese thinks the skillet looks more like a hairbrush. I didn't see that, but feel that it could also be a mirror. No conflicts found in any of those cases. Under the previous "maintained vs. sustained" rule, there would have been a conflict, but that's no longer a problem.

Milesenda de Bourges (Triskele) at 2015-11-24 19:50:32
If someone has an image of a period skillet I will HAPPILY redraw it. Sigh.


8: Gyda Lotharsdottir of Mora -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Culture (13th-14th Century Norse) most important.

Gyda: Given name; taken from Heimskringla or the Lives of the Norse Kings by Snorre Sturlason, written in 1230 AD,

specifically The History of Harald Hairfair, page 44

"King Harald sent his men after a maiden, who was called Gyda, daughter of King Eric of Hordaland; she was being

fostered by a wealthy bonder in Valders."

Lotharsdottir:

Of Mora: Place name; Mora Mead mentioned in A History of the Swedish People by Vilhelm Moberg, page 111

"Magnus had already inherited the crown of Norway from his maternal grandfather King Hakon, when, on July 8, 1319, in

Mora Mead, outside Uppsala, he was proclaimed King of Sweden."

Name Comments:

Alys Mackyntoich (Ogress) at 2015-11-05 03:32:20
Although it is sometimes mis-transcribed as <Gyda>, the form of the name found in Heimskringla is actually <Gyða> with an edh. See, e.g., http://sagadb.org/egils_saga.on, part 64

Going with a common, no-photocopy source, <Gyða> is a female given name found in Geirr Bassi's The Old Norse Name at p. 10.

<Lothar> is a Germanic name, not a Norse name. It cannot be combined in the same name phrase as the Norse -dottir

If she wants a similar-sounding name for her father in Norse, there's:
Ljótr --> Ljótsdóttir Loðhǫttr --> Loðhǫttsdóttir
Loðinn --> Loðinsdóttir

<of Mora> seems to be adequately documented as the Lingua Anglica form of a period place, assuming she has provided copies of the cited book.

Milesenda de Bourges (Triskele) at 2015-11-05 07:47:56
Submitter contacted for information and approval

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-11-13 04:51:43
Given the Swedish placename, I'm assuming the submitter wants 13-14th c. Scandinavian, not necessarily Norse?

SMP sn. Gydha (http://130.238.4.107/SMP/pdf/Gydha.pdf) has:
<GYDA> 14th c., a gravestone in Latin, at Hallingebergs kyrka.

Svenskt Diplomatariums huvudkartotek över medeltidsbreven has:
SDHK-nr: 3316, 1325 <i mora sokn> (in Mora municipality) https://sok.riksarkivet.se/sdhk?EndastDigitaliserat=false&SDHK=3316
which seems to be the source for this webpage on the history of Mora commune (http://www.mora.se/kommun--politik/kommunfakta/historia/).

Sǫlveig Þrándardóttir (Solveig Throndardottir) at 2015-11-17 03:31:32
Does the client particularly desire using the Lingua Anglica toponymic marker instead of a Scandinavian equivalent? If the name is to be changed anyway, why not go for a Scandinavian marker? If Mora is someplace in Sweden, why not mark it with "i" as in SENA Appendix A for "i Mora"?

Milesenda de Bourges (Triskele) at 2015-11-17 08:08:30
We are still waiting for reply from the submitter.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:16:12
Geirr Bassi has the feminine name "Gyða". Is it possible that the client misread this? Since Lothar is a German name, the patronymic could be Lotharsdochter, among other German patronymic forms.


9: Hjørr-Yggr Hákonarson -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.
Culture (10th Century Norse) most important.

See attached photo of documentation.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/1822/2015-10-26/19-54-38_new_doc_13_1.jpg

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-11-13 05:18:16
So, the submitter seems to be documenting the name as:
<Hjorr> personal name, Geirr Bassi p. 11
<Yggr> "terrible one", byname
<Hákonarson> from Hákon, Geirr Bassi p. 11
In the genitive case, this becomes <Hákonar>, and hence the patronymic is correctly formed.

Lind Personbinamn col. 405 doesn't mention anyone, human or god, with the byname Yggr.

However, Tilnavne i den islandske oldlitteratur by Finnur Jónsson has:
<hryggr> "back" (ie. the bodypart) including literary mentions of Hróaldr hryggr in the 9th century. Would that be close enough for the submitter?
(http://heimskringla.no/wiki/Tilnavne:_Legemet)

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:17:59
Geirr Bassi lists the given name as Hjǫrr. It appears that Yggr is a constructed name, which we don't know enough to judge. This patronymic formation is not specifically shown in G.B., but it seems plausible.


10: Katherine Verch Evan -Resub Device

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Katherine verch Evan in April of 2015, via Trimaris.

Argent three chevrons braced and on a chief vert three stawberries argent.

Name registered on April 2015 LOAR in Trimaris: http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2015/04/15-04lar.html

Device Comments:

Seraphina Delphino (Golden Dolphin) at 2015-10-31 00:17:13
This is a resubmission of a Laurel Return in April 2015, Vert, three chevrons braced and in chief three strawberries argent.
This device is in conflict with the device of Joanna de Lisane: Vert, three chevronels interlaced, in chief between two compass-stars a fleur-de-lys voided argent. As the chevrons/chevronels here are identical, there is only one DC for the change of type of secondary charges, from stars and fleur-de-lys to berries.


Appears free of conflict.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-11-11 10:05:59
Close but clear, Caoilfhionn inghean Cheallaigh uí Mhórdha (Middle, Apr 1998) Argent, three chevronels braced vert, on a chief azure three decrescents argent. DC for chief tincture difference, DC for decrescents vs strawberries

No conflicts found.

Sǫlveig Þrándardóttir (Solveig Throndardottir) at 2015-11-17 03:35:54
The blazon should of course read: Argent, three chevronels braced and on a chief vert three stawberries argent.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:18:52
"strawberries" No conflicts found.


11: Kýlan Hundr -Resub Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning (Kylan the hound) most important.

Kýlan: Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, pg 13, found in Landnamabok, listed on www.ellipses.cx/nliana/names/norse/landnamabok.html

Hundr: Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, pg 23, found in Landnamabok www.ellipses.cx/norse/vikbynames

<Kýlan Hundr> (with accents)

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:19:24
Docs check out. It's always helpful to be told what the returned form was and why it was returned.

Milesenda de Bourges (Triskele) at 2015-11-24 19:52:30
I believe there was a question on an accent mark that hadn't gotten answered so it was bounced at kingdom. This version is the submitters choice of those options.


12: Marianna Vincentia -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2012, via Trimaris.

Gules, an Edelweiss argent seeded Or and a chief argent two bars wavy azure

This submission is to be associated with Marianna Vincentia

Linked to name: Marianna Vincentia as registered in March 2012 in Trimaris

http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/03/12-03lar.html

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:19:42
No conflicts found.


13: Octavio de Flores -Resub Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2000, via Trimaris

Argent, an escarbuncle vert each spoke terminating in a rose and a chief gules and for augmentation in canton a triskele argent

Old Item: Argent, an escarbuncle vert each spoke terminating in a rose and a chief gules., to be retained as a badge.

Administrative Note:

Augumentation of arms received in Trimaris 03-14-2008 verified in Trimaris

OP. http://www.trimaris.org/node/17/?linknum=1310

The following device associated with this name was registered in October of 2005 (via Trimaris): Argent, an escarbuncle vert each spoke terminating in a rose and a chief gules.

Device Comments:

Seraphina Delphino (Golden Dolphin) at 2015-10-31 00:35:51
Is this a new augmentation of arms?

Milesenda de Bourges (Triskele) at 2015-10-31 19:12:56
No but it is a resub of the augmentation design instead of a prior one that was denied

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:20:16
Not conflict checked because we can't imagine how something could conflict with this but not with the base coat.


14: Owain Mawr ap Bran -New Name & New Device

Barry and per pale, argent and vert, a raven natural

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound (AH-wen moor) most important.
Language (Welsh) most important.
Culture (11th - 13th Century Wales) most important.

Early 11th century to late 13th century Wales

References: www.s.gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh13.html

www.englishmonarchs.co.uk/owain_glyndwyr.html

Given name:Owain - see Owain Glyndwyr, last welsh ruler to hold the title Prince of Wales

Byname based on nickname/description: Mawr - meaning great/senior

Byname based on relationship: ap Bran - meaning son of Bran

Name Comments:

Alys Mackyntoich (Ogress) at 2015-11-05 03:47:03
St Gabriel report #2171 has <Owain> dated 1242 in Wales.

"A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/welsh13.html) has <Mawr> as the modern header form. The period spelling for that entry is <Maur>.

I should go find my copy of Morgan & Morgan to document <ap Bran>

Milesenda de Bourges (Triskele) at 2015-11-05 07:52:04
I'll check with the submitter on the spelling shift but doubt that will be an issue.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:20:45
Docs check out.

Device Comments:

Brenna Lowri o Ruthin at 2015-11-01 16:48:17
Ravens are close by default so the position needs to be added. Ravens proper are sable not natural. So: Barry and per pale argent and vert, a raven displayed proper (or sable).

It is a SFPP for a bird displayed other than an eagle.

Unfortunately this conflicts with Bran of Cornwall - Vair, a raven displayed sable. (Either the name or the following device associated it (or both) were registered in August of 1972)

There is a single difference for the field.

Milesenda de Bourges (Triskele) at 2015-11-01 22:16:07
Submitter contacted regarding conflict.

Ephrem Orbeli (Archive) (Ephrem Orbeli (Lymphad)) at 2015-11-05 08:51:30
I worked with the submitter yesterday and we came up with the following blazon and attached emblazon:

Barry per pale argent and vert, a raven displayed within a bordure engrailed sable.

1: Image 1

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:21:25
Agree with Brenna's blazon corrections. The escutcheon is a different shape from the one on our standard submission forms, so it will probably need to be redrawn.


15: Thyri Bersi -Resub Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Meaning (little bear) most important.

Thyri - Þyri is found as a female given name on p. 16 of Geirr Bassi's The Old Norse Name; the Þ character can be registered as a standard modern "Th" per the April 2010 Cover Letter.

bersi is a noun meaning "bear" found in Cleasby & Vigfusson (http://lexicon.ff.cuni.cz/html/oi_cleasbyvigfusson/b0061.html). Examples of animal nouns as descriptive bynames (and in particular nouns for "bear" as descriptive bynames) can be found in Geirr Bassi, which has bjarki, meaning "bear cub" and bassi, meaning "great, bear-like person" as descriptive bynames.

"Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/vikbynames.html) also gives examples of mammal bynames based on nouns, including Hafr-, meaning "billygoat", and lambi, meaning "lamb," Bifru- meaning "beaver," and brimill meaning "large seal."

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-11-13 05:21:45
Personal name checks out, and <bersi> would follow a pattern of people being named after animals.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:22:06
Docs check out. Geirr Bassi, p.18, says that in such a name, the genders need not match. No conflicts found.


16: Toki inn eldri bassi -Resub Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning (grumpy old bear) most important.

Tóki is a male given name found at p. 15 of Geirr Bassi's The Old Norse Name

inn eldri is a descriptive byname meaning "old" found at p. 21 of Geirr Bassi

bassi is a descriptive byname meaning "great, bear-like person" found at p. 19 of Geirr Bassi

By precedent, a name using two descriptive bynames in Old Norse is registerable so long as the bynames could reasonably be used to simultaneously describe the same person. [Fiórleif eldr ǫrn, 12/2010 LoAR, A-Outlands].

Accents can be omitted from Old Norse names are long as they are omitted consistently throughout.

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-11-13 05:28:31
Name docs check out, though I'm not sure where the submitter is getting grumpy old bear from!

Milesenda de Bourges (Triskele) at 2015-11-13 07:25:20
Alys worked specifically with this client and he likes this version so it's all set. :)

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:22:41
Docs check out. No conflicts found.


17: Uasal ingen Eogain -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2015, via Trimaris

(Fieldless) a mouse rampant sable

Badge Comments:

Seraphina Delphino (Golden Dolphin) at 2015-10-31 01:01:07
I find no conflicts

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:23:02
Caoimhin is impressed by the long-legged mouse. No conflicts found.


18: Wilhelm Philip Josef der Klett -Resub Name & Resub Device

Checky sable and argent, a cross formy very and on a chief purpure three fleur-de-lys Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.

From July 2015 LOAR: Submitted as Wilhelm Philip Josef von Klett, Klett is a descriptive byname meaning "burr" and not a place name, so cannot be used with the preposition von ("from/of"). The forms Wilhelm Philip Josef der Klett, which uses the definite article der ("the"), and Wilhelm Philip Josef Klett were supported by the documentation. Unfortunately, the submitter does not allow major changes, so we cannot make either modification and are forced to return the name.

Upon resubmission, the spelling Josef was not documented in the Letter of Intent. It is found in late period Germany in the FamilySearch Historical Records.

Submitter has chosen to go with above alteration of name as noted in the submission. This name is hereby resubmitted.

From July LOAR:

<<This device is returned administratively. This device was computer color-corrected on the Letter of Intent, which has been cause for return since the March 2009 Laurel meetings.>>

Device being resubmitted with new name. I *think* we have also fixed the color correction issue but please let me know if I am incorrect as my newness as a SH is showing on that one.

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:23:33
No conflicts found.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-11-24 19:24:07
"vert" "fleurs-de-lys" Caoimhin feels this is very busy and thinks the cross is hard to identify on the checky field. It does have a complexity of eight. No conflicts found.



OSCAR counts 12 Names, 8 Devices, 1 Device Change and 2 Badges. There are a total of 23 items submitted on this letter.