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Trimaris ILoI dated 2015-04-19

Greetings from the Lymphad Herald of the Kingdom of Trimaris,

Welcome esteemed commenters to the April 19th, 2015 KLoI of Trimaris.

Please accept the following submissions or your consideration.

I would like to send out a special thanks to my deputies and all of the Heralds of Trimaris who pitched in to help and make this letter possible and the job manageable.

1: Abigail Fletcher -New Name & New Device

Gules, in pale an arrow and two domestic cats couchant guardant and on a chief Or a dog couchant gules.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (English) most important.

Abigail: feminine name, 16th - 17th century - Withycombe, pg. 1

Fletcher: 1203 Reaney & Wilson, pg. 130

Name Comments:

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2015-04-21 21:23:50
No conflicts found.

For one stop shopping I suggest:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J365-76F : accessed 22 April 2015), Abigaill Fletcher, 25 May 1612; citing PAIGNTON,DEVON,ENGLAND, reference ; FHL microfilm 916,917, 917,212. Batch C05192-1

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 15:56:40
The R&W citation is for "le Flecher". They also have "Flecher' " with the same date. There are no citations for the client's spelling.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 15:57:01
Fesswise arrows point to sinister by default. No conflicts found.


2: Adsiltia filia Honorii -New Household Name & New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 1993, via Trimaris

Ti Pennardhmor

Per pile inverted azure and vert, a tower argent.

Submitter has no desire as to gender.
No major changes.

Penn-ardh (Penaice, pg. 132; Palel, "Cornish Place-Names" 1988 ed.

'mor (sea) pg.193

Ti pg. 186

Household Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 15:57:31
Don't have access to the reference given, nor to anything else on Cornish placenames.

Dorcas Whitecap (Harrier) at 2015-05-18 10:41:33
Even "no photocopy" sources need to be summarized. The purpose of summarizing documentation is to allow commenters who don't have the reference cited to understand how the documentation actually supports the submission. For example, what does the book say about <Ti> on page 186? Is <Ti> an inn? A company? A drink with jam and bread?

Badge Comments:

Brenna Lowri o Ruthin at 2015-04-19 22:52:17
There is no field division called "per pile" or 'per pile inverted". This is a pile inverted which is an ordinary and makes this color on color.

There are several ways to fix this issue. The easiest would be to fimbriate the pile (use either Or or argent).

Alternately, this could be redrawn as a per chevron field which can be two colors and would make the tower the primary charges.

And, finally, if this could be documented as an IAP, it would be registerable.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-05-05 04:36:18
Agreed with contrast issues and the solutions.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 15:58:06
As Brenna said, there is no such thing as "per pile" This is a poorly drawn pile inverted throughout, and is indeed color on color. Start by drawing the pile correctly as one third to one half the width of the upper edge of the field. Then either fimbriate it or swap one of the colors with the argent of the tower.


3: Aíbinn ingen Artáin -New Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2003, via Trimaris

Argent fleury azure, on a pale vert a baronial coronet Or and a Celtic cross argent.

Old Item: Argent semy-de-lys azure, on a pale vert a Celtic cross argent., to be released.

Submitter is adding a baronial coronet to her previously registered device.

Court Baranage: via Kingdom of Trimaris, Nov. 12, 2011

http://trimaris.org/node/17.?linknum=1622

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 15:58:54
The standard blazon of the field is "Argent semy-de-lys azure", as in her present device. I believe that baronial coronets are not the same throughout the known world. Perhaps this should be blazoned as "a coronet Or pearled argent". No conflicts found save for her old device.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Noir Licorne) at 2015-05-18 18:13:37
This may run into problems as two charge groups on a charge; on a field I would parse this as a primary cross and secondary coronet.


4: Alain Picot de Boisfeuillu -New Alternate Name Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 1985, via Trimaris

Lorccan O' Céitinn

Old Item: Alain Picot de Boisfeuillu, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound (Céitinn) most important.

Lorccan o' Céitinn

Given name: OCM pg. 124

Surname: Woulfe's Irish names and surnames, 1923

http://www.libraryireland.com/names/c/ceitinn.php

Client wishes to keep Alain Picot de Boisfeuillu as an alternate.

Alternate Name Comments:

Alys Mackyntoich (Blue Tyger) at 2015-04-19 14:01:12
The name has several problems:

(1) It improperly combines the Anglicized Irish <O'> with the Gaelic <Céitinn>.

(2) Woulfe does not have <Ó Céitinn> as a header. It has several similar things, but not the submitted form.

(3) OCM dates <Lorccán> to no later than the 10th cen., which is too early to be combined with the 16th/17th cen. forms in Woulfe.

The submitter has several options for the byname:

(1) <de Céitinn> appears as a header on p. 254 of Woulfe, with an italicized Anglicized Irish form under that header. That means that this header is given the benefit of the doubt as a 16th/17th cen. Gaelic form.

(2) <Ó Ceit> appears as a header on p. 461 of Woulfe, with an italicized Anglicized Irish form under that header.

(3) <Ó Cathláin> appears as a header on p. 456 of Woulfe, with multiple italicized Anglicized Irish forms under it.

Using any of these will require some additional evidence to allow the 10th cen. Lorccan to be used with the 16th cen. bynames, such as evidence that Lorccan was a saint's name.

All of these are major changes that require the submitter's consent.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2015-04-19 23:58:50
OCM Irish Names s.n. Lorccán gives Lorcán as the archbishop of Dublin whose feast day is November 14th.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 15:59:41
Since the client's name is registered, but not the submitted one, this is simply a name change. It can't be an alternate name change because there is no alternate name to be changed. I leave commentary on the submitted name to those with the patience to work on Gaelic names.


5: Alexandros Tagaris Pantechnes -New Name & New Device

Sable, on a bend wavy argent between two natural tigers rampant argent marked sable, three roses palewise sable.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language (14th -15th Century Byzantine) most important.

Alexandros: 1322, Personal Names of the Aristocracy in the Roman Empire During the Later Byzantine Era - Masculine Given Names

Source: Demetrios Polemis, The Doukai.

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/masc_given_names.html

Tagaris: 14th Century, Personal Names of the Aristocracy in the Roman Empire During the Later Byzantine Era - Family Names

Source: Donald M. Nicol, Studies in Late Byzantine Prosopography...

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/family_names.html#family_names

Pantechnes: 11th century, Personal Names of the Aristocracy in the Roman Empire During the Later Byzantine Era - Family Names

Source: Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/family_names.html#family_names

Name Comments:

Song Zidie (Skraeling Althing) at 2015-04-19 22:06:13
No specific date was given for <Pantechnes> on the linked article, but other than that documentation is confirmed. The pattern <given name> + <double family name> is documented by http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/structures.html#masculine_names and usable as per SENA Appendix A.

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-04-20 18:12:08
Prosopography of the Byzantine World has:
<Pantechnes> 11th c. ( http://db.pbw.kcl.ac.uk/pbw2011/entity/boulloterion/1887)
<Θεοτόκε βοήθει τῷ σῷ δούλῳ / [...] κουροπαλάτῃ τῷ Παντεχνῇ.>
<Theotokos aid your servant / [...] Pantechnes kouropalates.> 11th c. (http://db.pbw.kcl.ac.uk/pbw2011/entity/boulloterion/4040)
<Τὸν Παντεχνήν, μάρτυς, με Μιχαὴλ σκέπε>/<Martyr, protect me, Michael Pantechnes>, 1100s (http://db.pbw.kcl.ac.uk/pbw2011/entity/boulloterion/5609)
<Παντεχνῆς ᾿Ιωάννης>/<Ioannes Pantechnes> ca. 1160 (http://db.pbw.kcl.ac.uk/pbw2011/entity/boulloterion/5610)

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:00:39
I see support for all three name elements.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:01:25
Would prefer to have the wavy lines of the bend have a rather shorter wavelength, but this is probably registerable. Looking through several heraldry books doesn't show me a clear default for a rose: one petal to chief or one barb to chief. I'd say there isn't a default nor will most people notice, so wouldn't bother to specify these as palewise. No conflicts found.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-05-14 05:04:08
No conflicts found.


6: Aveline le Daye -New Name & New Device

Per fess azure and vert, an owl rising, wings elevated and displayed guardant and a rose argent.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound most important.
Culture (Norman late 1300's) most important.

Aveline: feminine name, Norman - Withycombe, pg. 113

Headwords - Evelina, Evelyn

le:

Daye: Reaney & Wilson, pg. 128

Headwords - Day, Daye, Dey, D'Eye, Deyes

Example - Thomas le Daye, 1277. Walter le Daye, 1269

Name Comments:

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2015-04-21 21:14:33
No conflict found.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:02:04
Should the surname take the feminine article (la Daye)? Otherwise the docs check out.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:02:26
No conflicts found.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-05-14 05:05:59
No conflicts found.


7: Beatrice of Wallingford -New Name & New Device

Gyronny azure and argent, a sheaf of arrows inverted between three escallops counterchanged.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Spelling most important.

Beatrice: feminine name, 4th - 14th century - Withycombe, pg. 42

has two citations in Late Sixteenth Century English Given Names, Alphabetical Name List, by Talan Gwynek

http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/eng16/eng16alpha.html.

Wallingford: 9th century, English Place Names, A D Mills, pg. 343

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:03:17
Withycombe has no dated period citations for this spelling of the given name. Fortunately Talan's article lists it from the 16th C. Mills' entry for the town has only two citations: Welingaforda from c. 895, and Walingeford from Domesday (1086).

Device Comments:

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2015-04-19 23:43:36
The countercharging of the arrows make them hard to identify.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2015-04-20 00:09:25

This will need to be sent up for a ruling on whether the arrows can still be identified.
[January 2008 LoAR, A-Æthelmearc] Þorvaldr friðsamr. Name and device. Per pale sable and Or, two swords in saltire surmounted by another inverted counterchanged, a chief enarched counterchanged erminois and pean.
There was some discussion on whether or not this violated our ban on counterchanging long, skinny objects. In general, a charge that is part of a sheaf of identical charges, all counterchanged, is registerable even though one of the three charges is counterchanged along its long axis. In cases such as this submission, where the charge counterchanged on its long axis is inverted relative to the other charges, the situation is less clear. Because the criterion for registerability is whether the charge counterchanged along its long axis maintains its identifiability, each case must be resolved on a case-by-case basis. The center sword here is identifiable and thus is registerable.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:03:44
Arrows are point down by default, so these are not inverted. No conflicts found, but the counterchanged arrows may get this returned.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-05-14 05:13:19
Agree with precedent question on whether or not SENA A3.F.4 Excessive counterchanging causes the contrast issues. However, I am not sure IMHO that an arrow is the same swords in the case of thickness vs length. Swords by definition are normally wider and hence don't get loss in the counterchanging..

However, I find a bit difficult to see the contrast to see the arrows unless I looked at the uncoloured version.


8: Brian Robertson -New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister argent and vert, a hyena passant contourney vert, a closed book palewise, spine left, argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning most important.

Brian: found in Late Sixteenth Century English Given Names by Talan Gwynek

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/eng16/eng16alpha.html

Robertson:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N23F-Q5k batch C15384-1

Name Comments:

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2015-04-19 23:52:45
No conflicts found. I was unable to verify the documentation because the submitter only listed the surname and the batch number. This batch number has more than 25 "Robertson's" listed many outside of the gray period. Submitter must list the complete name for verification.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2015-04-20 00:18:58

FamilySearch Historical Records
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NKZK-3ZG
Brian Isaac Spouse's Name: Agnes Huddlestone 02 Jun 1583 Fulbeck, Lincoln, England Batch Number: M02842-1
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7Z2-29K
Elizabeth Robertson Female Christening Date: 04 May 1573 Broadwater, Sussex, England Batch Number: C15384-1

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:04:15
Docs check out, thanks to Magnus.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:04:50
"contourny" "palewise spine to dexter" When I first glanced at this, I thought it looked more like a hyena than a dog, but was a bit surprised to find that is the intention. No conflicts found.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-05-14 05:15:45
No conflicts found.


9: Cairbre ui Cadhaine -New Name & New Device

Vert, three weasels in annulo argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Cairbre Lifechair (son of Cormac mac Airt and Eithne/Medb) was born 257 in Ireland, and died 284 in At the Battle Gabhra, Ireland. He married Aine Ingen Finn.

Includes NotesNotes for Cairbre Lifechair:

Cairbre Lifechair ("lover of the Liffey"), son of Cormac mac Airt, was a legendary High King of Ireland of the 3rd century. Cairbre was married to Aine Ingen Finn.

Fionn mac Cumhail is said to have died during his reign.

CAIRPRE LIFECHAR (Cairpre of the Liffey), son of Cormac, so called because he was fostered on the banks of the River Liffey. He was noted for his compilation of the history of Ireland He reigned as King of Ireland from 268 to 284

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/o/l/Kyla-H-Hollis/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0274.html

That places the name in the 3rd century. Later it popped up as an antagonist in the Ulster cycle

http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780198609674.001.0001/acref-9780198609674-e-782

http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780198609674.001.0001/acref-9780198609674-e-782

The Irish surname Coyne is a anglicised form of the gaelic O Cadhain, meaning "descendant of Cadhan"; the name Cadhan itself comes from the Irish meaning "wild goose". Bearers of the name Coyne find their home in counties Mayo and Galway. The sept is believed to have originated at Partry in Mayo and number among the septs of the Ui Fiachrah Muaidhe. The surname is also anglicised Kyne, and is often confused with the name Coen which is properly derived from the Gaelic O' Comhdhain, and only rarely from the name O' Cadhain. The sept of the O' Comhdhain is also a branch of the Ui Fiachrach, hence the confusion, but generally hails in this instance from counties Galway and Roscommon. Another curious synonym of the surname Coyne is the Castlebar surname Barnacle; this arose through the semi-translation of the surname, the barnacle goose being a species of wildfowl commonly known in Irish as "cadhan". The surname Coyne is most common today in Mayo and in Dublin; the arms above were awarded to a Dublin family of Coyne in 1663. Having said this, it must be noted that number of bearers of the surname Coyne are actually of English descent, having settled in Ireland in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. The English surname is derived from Middle English word "coyn", meaning a "coin" or piece of money, and was adopted metonymically by one who was a "coiner" by trade, one whose profession was minting of money. The surname has been recorded in England since the thirteenth century when one John Coyne appears in the Feet of Fines for Staffordshire in the Year 1242.

http://www.irishgathering.ie/clan_info.asp?clanID=1625

Name Comments:

Alys Mackyntoich (Blue Tyger) at 2015-04-19 14:05:36
This name is not properly formed. The clan affiliation marker in a male name formed this way should be Ó or {Ua} depending on the time period. In addition, the documentation is not from reliable sources.

Fortunately, this name can be re-documented fairly easily.

<Cairbre> is an Early Modern Irish male given name found in Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada's "Index of Names in Irish Annals" (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Cairbre.shtml) with Annals dates of 1386, 1474, 1505, 1520.

Woulfe p. 447 has the header form <Ó Cadhain>, with several italicized Anglicized Irish forms under it, which is enough to give the benefit of the doubt that the header form was used in the 16th/early 17th cens.

<Cairbre Ó Cadhain> therefore is a reasonable 16th cen. Gaelic name.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:05:21
Another Irish name I'm not gonna mess with.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:05:43
Do we need to say that the weasels are passant? I suspect we do need to mention that they are conjoined. No conflicts found.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-05-14 05:20:37
No conflicts found.


10: Caitríona inghean Fhionnghuala -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2008, via Trimaris

Fieldless a cat head Sable emanating from a snail shell Or, antennaed purpure.

Badge Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:06:23
I really don't like this blazon, but nothing better immediately comes to mind. Perhaps "(Fieldless) A snail shell Or and issuant to chief a domestic cat's head sable antennaed purpure." Hope someone else can do better. No conflicts found.

Sneferu sa Djedi mewtif Merit (Sage) at 2015-05-06 16:41:13
I believe it is intended to be something like this

1: Image 1


11: Chrestienne d'Arles -New Alternate Name Change

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Chrestienne d'Arles in November of 2006, via Trimaris.

Dagny Róðbertsdottir

Old Item: Chrestienne d'Arles, to be released.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
Culture (Norse) most important.

Dagny: feminine name, Norman - Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 2708

http://www.s-gabriel.org/2708

Róðbert: Male Name, Geirr Bassi, pg. 14

dottir: Norse "daughter of"

Alternate Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-04-20 00:46:48
The St. Gabriel report doesn't say Dagny is a Norman name, it says:
"<Dagny> or <Dagny/>, where the slash represents an acute accent mark on the preceding letter, appears in early legend and myth, but was not used by real people until 1600 or so [1, 2]."

Lind col. 192 sn. Dagný notes it is a mythical name.
Lind supplement col. 196 has a <Dagne> or <Dagnee> from 1602 (image 1)
If the earliest date is 1602, then we're going to need to find a dated form of Róðberts-.

Lind col. 582 sn. Hróðbiartr has:
<Roðbertz> (genitive), talking about events from 1250 (from Islandske Annaler indtil 1578 http://baekur.is/is/bok/000376834/0/288/Islandske_Annaler_indtil_1578)
<Rodhbiartts> 1431, Diplomatarium Islandicum (pp. 456-7 <þordr prestr rodhbiarttsson> https://archive.org/stream/diplomatariumis04unkngoog#page/n500/mode/2up)



SENA Appendix A says we need to document -dottir in late-period Icelandic, so, all from Diplomatarium Islandicum vol 4 we have:
<marghrett siugurdzdottir> 1429 p. 362 (https://archive.org/stream/diplomatariumis04unkngoog#page/n406/mode/2up)
<þuridr haldorsdottir> 1432 p. 497 (https://archive.org/stream/diplomatariumis04unkngoog#page/n540/mode/2up)
<gudrun styrsdottir> 1486 p. 555 (https://archive.org/stream/diplomatariumis04unkngoog#page/n598/mode/2up)

It doesn't give us 16th/early 17th c. examples of Icelandic -dottir, but I can't think of any sources off-hand that would go late enough?

In any case, a later-period name could be <Dagne Roðbertzdottir> mixing a 17th c. and 13th century Icelandic names.

1: Image 1

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:07:04
Don't understand. Chrestienne d'Arles was registered as the client's name on 1/06. Dagny Róðbertsdottir does not seem to have been registered, so why is this anything other than a simple name change when there are no alternate names are to be seen? ffride has a lot more pertinent information than I found.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-05-14 05:24:47
Would it be better to state that it is a Primary Name Change, old name to be released? So the device, Vert, four oak leaves conjoined in cross and an orle of acorns argent can be associated with the new Primary Name?

Dorcas Whitecap (Harrier) at 2015-05-18 13:07:01
Yes. This is indeed a change of primary name.


12: Ciarán Ó Muireagáin -New Name & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Corin Morgan(10/1993)

Purpure, a pall inverted gules fimbrulated between two keys palewise and in base a closed book argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Language (Irish) most important.

Ciarán: Found in O'Corrain & Maguire Irish Names pg. 51

Muireagáin: Found in Wolfe Irish Names and Surnames pg. 89

Name Comments:

Alys Mackyntoich (Blue Tyger) at 2015-04-19 14:11:49
Please please. It's not enough to cite the book. Commenters need to know what the book says about the name element.

For example, it would be helpful to know that the submitter's citation for <Muireagáin> is for the element as a *given* name, not for the clan affiliation byname the submitter has requested. Woulfe has long been ruled not to be a reliable source for *given* names.

The submitted <Ó Muireagáin> appears at p. 621 of Woulfe as a header form, but not all headers in Woulfe are usable. In this case, we need to know that there are multiple italicized Anglicized Irish forms under the heading. These italicized forms are enough to give the submitter the benefit of the doubt that the header form was used in the 16th/early 17th cen.

Because of the very late date for the byname, we need to know whether OCM gives any dates for <Ciarán> or establishes it as a saint's name. In this case, <Ciarán> is a saint's name per OCM and we don't need to worry about the temporal gap with a 16th/17th cen. byname.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:07:41
It's clearly Irish and apparently masculine.

Device Comments:

Andreas Lucernensis at 2015-04-24 16:53:18
Keys need to be reblazoned as inverted.

"The key is palewise, wards to chief, by mundane and Society default." - picdic

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:08:21
"fimbriated" The Glossary of Terms says that keys' default posture is "Fesswise, wards to dexter and facing downwards; when palewise, must be specified (wards to chief or wards to base)" These, therefore, are "palewise wards to base". No conflicts found.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-05-14 05:28:25
No conflicts found.


13: Domenico de Carono -New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister azure and vert, a tree eradicated between three Maltese crosses argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Culture (Italian 14th - 15th Century) most important.

Domenico: Early 15th-Early 17th C Italian Names by Aryanhwy merch Catmael

http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/italian/medici.html

de Carono: Surnames from a 16th-Century Italian Armorial

http://www.coblaith.net/Names/ItSur/CAR.html

Name Comments:

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2015-04-21 21:10:29
Checked and verified documentation. No conflicts found.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:08:56
Docs check out.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:09:17
The default tree is an oak, which this clearly isn't. No conflicts found.

Dorcas Whitecap (Harrier) at 2015-05-18 13:13:25
I think I'd call this tree an elm.


14: Genevieve O'Brien -New Name

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Genevieve Fehrmann(12/1986), Genevieve Perrin (9/2013), Gwenhwyvar Ywein (12/1994)

Genevieve O'Brien

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Meaning most important.

Genevieve: is in The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names by E. G. Withycombe p127, which lists a St. Geneviève born in 422

O'Brien: Irish surname & sept. name originating with the family of King Brian Boru (d.1014) [Edward McLysaght, The Surnames of Ireland, 6th ed., Dublin: Irish Academic Press, 1991, c.f. O Brien; Patrick Woulfe, Irish Names and Surnames, revised, Kansas City, Missouri: Irish Genealogical Foundation, 1992, p. 443, c.f. Ó Briain.] Brien, with this spelling, was recorded in England as a given name in 1088 & as a patronymic in 1086 & 1160 [P. H. Reaney and R. M. Wilson, Dictionary of English Surnames, 3rd ed., Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1997, c.f. Brian] Yin therefore concludes that O'Brien is a reasonable, period Anglicized spelling of the Irish patronymic.

Name Comments:

Alys Mackyntoich (Blue Tyger) at 2015-04-19 14:18:28
This name combines a French or English given name with an Anglicized Irish byname, so it's very important to put dates on the elements. There cannot be more than 300 years between the elements when these languages are combined.

<Genevieve> is a French female given name found in "Late Period French Feminine Names" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/latefrench.html) dated to 1501, 1524, 1537 (2), 1552, 1553, 1564, 1585 and 1586.

The byname <O Brien> is dated to 1601 s.n. Awlone in Mari ingen Briain, "Names found in Anglicized Irish Documents" (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnglicizedIrish/Masculine.shtml). Mari's article shows examples of O-style bynames with an without apostrophes.

Appendix C of SENA permits French and Anglicized Irish to be combined. (Anglicized Irish is part of the English/Welsh Regional Naming Group).

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:09:56
By "meaning", she presumably wants to be "Woman-race, male descendant of Noble". Agree with Blue Tyger about the construction of the name.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-05-14 05:30:52
Agree about construction.. documentation provided Blue Tyger resolves the 300 span issue.


15: Gerhart Pluckerose -New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister azure and Or, in bend two roses in bend sinister Or and a lion contourney sable.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Culture (1300 Flemish) most important.

Gerhart: Names in the Low Lands 1250-1300, High-medieval given names and bynames in The Netherlands and Flanders, Given names - men

Alternative spelling for Gerhard

http://www.keesn.nl/name13/en4_list_m.htm

Pluckerose: Names in the Low Lands 1250-1300, Names in the Low Lands 1250-1300, High-medieval given names and bynames in The Netherlands and Flanders, Occupational names and nicknames

Nickname

http://www.keesn.nl/name13/en4_list_by.htm

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-04-20 01:00:37
The source listed doesn't actually have the desired name <Gerhart>, instead it lists Gerart, Geraerd, Geraert, Gerard, Gerhardus, Gheerard, Gheraert, Gherard, Gherart, and Gherrart.

If you look at the raw data spreadsheet provided, then you find:
<Gerhardus Mensinge> 1284 (http://www.cartago.nl/nl/oorkonde/ogd0163.xml#)
and
<Johannes dictus Plucrose, clericus, quod Mense dictus Plucrose, laicus> 1299 (http://www.cartago.nl/nl/oorkonde/ogd0203.xml)
and
<Johannes dictus Pluckerose> 1284 (http://www.cartago.nl/nl/oorkonde/ogd0167.xml)

Would that make the name <Gerhardus dictus Pluckerose> in Latin, and hence <Gerhard Pluckerose> in the vernacular?

Christopher Devereux at 2015-05-05 18:03:22
While it doesn't show the Gerhart form, it does show Gerhard, and examples of a d/t switch within the same time period such as Gerard/Gerart and Gherard/Gherart (mostly in the ghent (GEN) and Western Provinces (HOL) sheets). I think that Gerhart would be an entirely acceptable version of Gerhard, even if we don't find the exact spelling.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:10:27
The source cited for the given name has ten different spellings as ffride has noted, none of which is what has been submitted. They do have it pretty well bracketed, though. Surname doc checks out.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:10:51
"contourny" No conflicts found.


16: Hywel ap Wyn -New Name & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Hywel ap Ieuan(9/1995)

Sable, a fess vert fimbrated between a falcon close contourney and a tree blasted and eradicated argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Culture (Welsh) most important.

Hywel: Given Name A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/welsh13.html

ap Wyn: Given Name A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/welsh13.html

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:11:16
Docs check out.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:11:58
"fimbriated" "contourny" No conflicts found.


17: Jason of Darkwater -Resub Name & Resub Device

Azure, a female Egyptian sphinx couchant argent between in chief three ankhs Or and a ford.

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Jason is a given name dated 1570 in the IGI Parish Extracts:

JASON FOSBROOKE Male Christening 28 March 1570 Saint Leonards, Bridgnorth, Shropshire, England RICHARD FOSBROOKE Batch: C085821

of: descriptive regarding location.

Darkwater, Barony of was registered as an SCA branch name 12/1985 via Trimaris.

Submission History

Submitter previously submitted the Name: Amenhetep Mes ne Satnemti

Although we commend the submitter and consulting herald on their research, the documentation did not demonstrate that this name was compatible with our period under GP3A of SENA:

The center of the Society is medieval and Renaissance Europe. As in the Governing Documents, period is defined as "pre-17th Century". Elements and patterns of names and heraldry found in the Middle Ages and Renaissance (in those places defined below) are allowed. We allow elements and patterns from before the Middle Ages, but require them to be from cultures that were known to medieval and Renaissance Europeans. Therefore, classical Greek and Roman names are registerable, but names from Pharaonic Egypt are not.

This is not a Kingdom Holding Name, but a resubmission as requested by the submitter.

Submission History:

Or semy of pellets, on a leaf vert a lotus flower azure, a base wavy barry wavy azure and argent.

The device is returned for having the lotus blossom in trian aspect. Heraldry is supposed to use flat, stylized pictures rather than use perspective for more natural depictions.

This device is also returned for violating section A3E2 of SENA, which states "An item with a complexity count of nine or higher that follows a period pattern of charges and tinctures may be registered, but may need to be documented as an Individually Attested Pattern". This device has a complexity count of nine, with five tinctures (azure, vert, sable, argent, Or) and four types of charge (lotus blossom, roundel, leaf, base); while allowances may be given for good period style, this submission does not fit that criteria. The simplest way to resolve this issue would likely be to remove the leaf.

Name Comments:

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2015-04-19 23:58:39
Documents checked and verified. No conflicts found

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:12:24
Looks OK.

Device Comments:

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2015-04-20 00:03:00
The blazon need to be changed as it states that the sphinx is argent not Or. I might also include "and in base a ford proper"

Uasal ingen Eogain at 2015-04-22 14:56:14
A ford is by definition a base barry wavy azure and argent. No need for all the extra words.

Sneferu sa Djedi mewtif Merit (Sage) at 2015-04-30 12:35:53
This is the wrong image and blazon for this submission. The image I've attached matches what he wants.

1: Image 1

Collyne Greymoire (Lymphad) at 2015-04-30 13:26:50
This submittal reflects the name and device as per the directions sent to me by the client himself, however after discussing it with him again, he would like to go with the version as Sneferu sa Djedi (Sage is showing.

Or semy of pellets, a blue lotus proper a base barry wavy azure and argent.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-01 07:36:57
We can simplify that blazon a bit: "Or pellety, a lotus flower in profile azure and a ford."

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2015-05-03 17:46:11
Blazon-fu to Gawain's blazon: a ford proper.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:15:58
Not necessary because the definition of "ford" includes its tinctures.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2015-05-06 16:26:49
You'd think, but search the O&A and see how they've been registered. 

http://oanda.sca.org/oanda_bp.cgi?p=a+ford&c=case-insensitive&l=500&s=name+only&d=modern&g=disabled& a=disabled

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Noir Licorne) at 2015-05-18 18:19:22
Fords are strange. Though they can only be azure and argent we still have to blazon them as proper. I got talked out of changing that precedent; I forget the reasons why I agreed that we still needed to blazon them as proper.


18: Kagetura Kazo -New Alternate Name Change

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Ulfric Bjornsson

Old Item: Kagetura Kazo, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a masculine name.
Culture (Norse) most important.

Ulfric: masculine name from the root Ulfr, Geirr Bassi, pg.15

Variation of Ulfrekr - found in Old Danish as Ulfrik.

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensnames.shtml

Bjorn: masculine name, Geirr Bassi, pg. 8

From OW.Norse björn, which in turn derives from Primitive Scandinavian *bernuR, "bear".

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensnames.shtml

-son: Norse "son of"

Alternate Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-04-20 01:21:58
There are issues with this name, the first is <Ulfric> is unattested, the second is that <Bjornsson> as an Old Norse patronymic is incorrect.

There are two ways we can fix this:
Go entirely Old Norse, with:
<Úlfrekr> Lind col. 1056, or
<Úlfríkr> Nordiskt runnamnslexikon p. 241 (http://www.sprakochfolkminnen.se/download/18.6dffb94c149794d926e379/1415279748920/Runnamnslexikon_T+ 141106.pdf)
and
<Björn>, Geirr Bassi p. 8 in the genitive becomes <Bjarnar> and hence:
<Úlfríkr Bjarnarson>, or without accents <Ulfrikr Bjarnarson>.

The other option, is to go for a later-period Norse name with:
Lind col. 1056 sn. Úlfrekr
<Ulfræker Ionsson> 1384 (Diplomatarium Norvegicum http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst.prl?b=8331&s=n&str=Ulfr%ker)
<Wlfrækær Sighurdson> 1456 (Diplomatarium Norvegicum http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst.prl?b=1948&s=n&str=Wlfr%k%)
<Vlffrek Sigvrdhson> and <Vlrek> 1475 (Diplomatarium Norvegicum http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst.prl?b=6314&s=n&str=Vlrek)
with
<Anunder Biornsson> 1451 (Diplomatarium Norvegicum http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst.prl?b=1923&s=n&str=biornsson)
<Bryniolf Biornsson> 1453 (Diplomatarium Norvegicum http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst.prl?b=1931&s=n&str=biornsson)
<Torgeir Biornsson> 1478 (Diplomatarium Norvegicum http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst.prl?b=3224&s=n&str=biornsson)

Which would get you <Ulfræker Biornsson>, <Wlfrækær Biornsson>, or <Vlffrek Biornsson>.

Would any of these options appeal to the submitter?

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:17:02
Don't find Kagetura Kazo in the O&A. How is this a change of alternate name? ffride has covered the problems with the name as submitted.


19: Kevenard LLywarch -New Name & New Device

Gules, two chevronelles Or between two triskels and a stag trippant contourny argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Spelling (LLywarch) most important.

The Dyffryn Clwd court roll database pg. 37 (Kevenard) pg. 46 (LLywarch

The Merioneth Lay Subsidy Roll of 1292-1293 (both)

Llandaff Episcopal Acta, 1146-12-86 (LLywarch)

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:17:53
It's hard to verify documentation one doesn't have and for which no url's are given. That said, "Llywarch" is found in Morgan & Morgan, though I can't make out a date for this spelling.

Ardan O Raghailligh at 2015-05-06 19:19:31
Unless Lymphad received other information - the name should be Kevenard ap LLywarch

Both names can be found A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn http://heraldry.sca.org/names/welsh13.html

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:18:28
"chevronels" "triskeles" No conflicts found.


20: Kevin Sewolf -Resub Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Kevin: is the client's legal given name.

Sewolf: English Surname under Self William Sewolf 1296 A Dictionary of English Surnames, Reaney Wilson pg. 399

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:18:53
Surname doc checks out.


21: Kylan Hunda -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.

Kylan: Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, pg 13

Hunda: Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, pg 23

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-04-20 01:27:30
<Hunda-> is the pre-pended byname, making the name <Hunda-Kýlan>, the byname when it is in the second half of the name is <hundr> (Geirr Bassi p. 23), hence <Kýlan hundr>, or, without accents <Kylan hundr>.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:19:19
What ffride said.


22: Lucas MacKenyn -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2013, via Trimaris

Quarterly azure and argent, a boar's head cropped proper and in base an arrow and sword in saltire gules.

Device Comments:

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2015-04-20 00:04:46
The boars head is erased not cropped proper.

Milesenda de Bourges at 2015-04-22 20:15:16
Newbie commenter - Is the coloring of the crossed sword and arrow allowable given that it crosses to color on color with gules and azure?

Ardan O Raghailligh at 2015-04-22 20:28:28
I believe that since it's neutral - (evenly divided field ) the color on color rule does not apply.

Uasal ingen Eogain at 2015-04-22 20:30:21
Typically yes. The field is considered neutral, since it is half color and half metal. As long as the charges are identifiable, the color on color is allowable.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:19:48
No conflicts found. Agree that this head is erased, and very well rendered.


23: Lucius Domitius Anatolius -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2013, via Trimaris

Per chevron azure and sable, in annulo three wolves courrant argent.

Device Comments:

Uasal ingen Eogain at 2015-04-22 15:04:49
One SFPP for the arrangement of wolves in annulo, but that's the only one.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:20:25
"courant" No conflicts found.


24: Lugán mac Fergus -New Name & New Device

Per pale argent and vert, two rapiers in saltire counterchanged within a bordure Or.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Culture (Scottish) most important.

Lugán is found on pg. 125 of O'Corrain and Maguire's Irish Names. It reads-"male - a diminutive of Lug. Lugán is one of the remote ancestors of the Maguires and related families. There is a St Lugán whose feast day is 16 August."

mac son of

Fergus is found on pg. 97 of O'Corrain and Maguire's Irish Names. It reads-

Fergus is an extremely common name in the early period. Among its bearers are Fergus Cerrbél, one of the early kings of the Uí Néill; Fergus mac Róich, one of the great Ulster warriors of the Táin…

Name Comments:

Alys Mackyntoich (Blue Tyger) at 2015-04-19 14:23:01
The byname needs to be fixed to accommodate Gaelic grammar. <mac> must be followed by the genitive (possessive) form of the father's name. See Effric Neyn Ken3ocht Mcherrald, "Quick and Easy Gaelic Names" (http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/).

The Old and Middle Gaelic genitive form of <Fergus> is <Fergusa>. See, e.g., "100 Most Popular Men's Names in Early Medieval Ireland" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/irish100.html)

Therefore, to be registerable, this name must be changed to <Lugán mac Fergusa>.

Uasal ingen Eogain at 2015-04-22 20:33:05
The submitter asks for a culturally Scottish name, but documents an early period Irish name... That strikes me as odd. Do we have any evidence these name elements were used in Scotland beyond statistical likelihood?

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:20:56
No conflicts found.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-05-14 05:38:12
No conflicts found.


25: Mael Mide ingen Medrain -New Heraldic Title

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2005, via Trimaris

Argent Butterfly Herald

Argent Butterfly Herald: follows the period pattern of Color + Charge

Title granted 25 May as xlviii. By TRM Kurn and Eridani

Heraldic Title Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:21:17
Looks OK.


26: Magnus Klasson -New Name & New Device

Azure, two crescents Or, a rat argent and on a chief invected Or three mullets azure.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Culture (Sweden) most important.

Magnus: Magnus Eriksson 1316-1374, King of Sweden as Magnus IV

http://www.nordicnames.de/wiki/magnus

Klasson: Son of Klas - Klas Kristersson Horn, 1517-1566

http://www.nordicnames.de/wiki/Klas

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-04-20 02:32:58
Sadly, the Nordic names site has used a normalised spelling in it's example of Klas Kristersson Horn. If you look at the portrait here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ClaesHorn.JPG he's <Clas Christerson>.

Svenskt Diplomatariums huvudkartotek över medeltidsbreven (a listing of Swedish diplomataria) has:
<Byrger Classon>, 1413, SDHK-nr: 18079 (http://sok.riksarkivet.se/SDHK?EndastDigitaliserat=false&SDHK=18079)
Diplomatarium Fennicum has:
<Bijörn Clausson> 1530 http://extranet.narc.fi/DF/detail.php?id=6484

Piia Lempiäinen 2014. "Ena silkes tröya" - clothing bequests in Finnish medieval wills Focus on Archaeological Textiles. Multidisciplinary Approaches. 3;26-39.
Gives us some more examples of where the modern forms are <Henrik Klasson> and <Arvid Klasson> but the period spelling is different:
DF 2604, <Henric Clauusson> 1445 (http://extranet.narc.fi/DF/detail.php?id=2604)
DF 2817, <Henrich Clawsson> 1449 (http://extranet.narc.fi/DF/detail.php?id=2817)
DF 2908, <Henrik Clawsson> 1452 (http://extranet.narc.fi/DF/detail.php?id=2908)
DF 2918, <Henrik Clawsson> 1453 (http://extranet.narc.fi/DF/detail.php?id=2918)
as well as
DF 3092 <Arwidh Clawsson> 1459 (http://extranet.narc.fi/DF/detail.php?id=3092)

Svenskt Diplomatariums huvudkartotek över medeltidsbreven also has:
<Magnus Hemmingson kalladher Kraaka> 1402, SDHK-nr: 15926 (http://sok.riksarkivet.se/SDHK?EndastDigitaliserat=false&SDHK=15926)
<Magnus Isrelsson> 1403, SDHK-nr: 16101(http://sok.riksarkivet.se/SDHK?EndastDigitaliserat=false&SDHK=16101)

So <Magnus Clawsson> or <Magnus Clauusson>?

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:22:01
A more standard blazon would be "Azure, two crescents Or and a rat (posture?) argent, on a chief invected Or three mullets azure." No conflicts found.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Noir Licorne) at 2015-05-18 18:20:52
I'd call it salient.


27: Maredudd ap Cynan -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 1989, via Trimaris

Argent, semy of ferrets sable.

Badge Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:22:33
These are certainly identifiable as some kind of rodent. Don't see a default posture for ferrets or similar beasts like ermines or weasels. Perhaps these should be specified as statant. No conflicts found.


28: Maria Serafina Toscanna da Venegia -New Name & New Device

Purpure, a unicorn head erased argent maned Or and on a chief azure fimbrated five lozenges Or.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language most important.

Maria Serafina Toscanna: Taken from "Huge List of Ancient and Modern Names" by Steve Russo

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~torchia/names/italiannames.htm#female

da Venegia: Taken from Estratto degli Accadimenti nel Levante narrati nel Compendio dell'Antica e Moderna Istoria della Repubblica di Venezia di Tommaso Salmon Scozzese Stampato in Venezia da Giambattista Albrizzi nel 1754. Indice dei Nomi

http://romeartlover.tripod.com/Salmglos.html

Name Comments:

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2015-04-20 00:17:40
Unfortunately the documentation for this submitter's desired name is not acceptable as it fails to provide dates for the names within period. We are not sure if the names on this site have been normalized.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2015-04-20 13:59:08

I believe this name can be constructed as Given, Given, Family Name, Locative. Venegia is Venice and Toscanna is Tuscany. The spelling will need some work.

Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names by Arval Benicoeur and Talan Gwynek
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/venice14given.html#table
Tables of Given Names
Women's Names- Maria

ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 2939
<Serafina> was not a common name in period Italy, but it was occasionally used. There was a Saint Seraphina (usually referred to as Santa Fina) who lived in Italy during the 13th century [1], and there was a 15th century <Blessed Seraphina Sforza> and a 16th century <Saint Seraphin of Montegranaro> [2]. Note that these are modern spellings. The period spellings were probably closer to those illustrated by the masculine examples <Seraffo> and <Serafino>, from Florence in 1427 [3]. Therefore, <Serafina> is at least a plausible name for 16th century Florence.
[2] Catholic Encyclopedia. (WWW: New Advent, Inc., 1997).
http://www.knight.org/advent/cathen/
[3] Ferrante laVolpe, _Men's names from Florence, 1427_ (WWW:Self-published, 1996).
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ferrante/catasto

Surnames from a 16th-Century Italian Armorial, by Coblaith Muimnech
http://www.coblaith.net/Names/ItSur/TOS.html
DE TOSCHANIS

Florentine Renaissance Resources: Online Tratte of Office Holders 1282-1532, edited by David Herlihy, R. Burr Litchfield, and Anthony Molho.
http://cds.library.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/ORIGIN.html VENEZIA

Device Comments:

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2015-04-20 00:11:21
The unicorns head is couped and not erased.

Modar Neznanich (Volk) at 2015-04-21 09:32:36
SENA A.3.C. Voiding and Fimbriation states in part: "Peripheral ordinaries may not be voided or fimbriated"...therefore the chief being a peripheral ordinary cannot be fimbriated.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:23:56
"fimbriated" Would prefer to see the Or charges tinctured yellow instead of orange. To expand on Volk's quote: SENA A.3.C says in part, "Voiding and fimbriation may only be used with ordinaries or simple geometric charges when they are part of a primary charge group. Peripheral ordinaries may not be voided or fimbriated, nor may other secondary, tertiary, or overall charges."

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-05-14 05:40:05
Agree with fimbrated comment and tincture preference for Or


29: Mikael Marshall -Resub Name & Resub Device

Per bend sable and argent, in bend sinister two crosses formy argent and gules.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Language most important.
Meaning most important.
Spelling most important.

Mikael: English given name, male. English Christian Names, Withycombe, pg. 219 - Mikael HR 1279.

Marshall: English Surname, English Surnames, Reany & Wilson, pg.300

Submission History:

Name: Michael of Castlemere, Unable to locate previous submission.

Submission History:

Device: Gules, a chevron between Or two lions combatant and in base a wolf statant argent.

Unable to find previous submission.

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-04-20 02:44:59
Reaney & Wilson don't seem to actually have <Marshall> as a surname other than the header form.

St. Gabriel report number 1315 (http://www.s-gabriel.org/1315) agrees with the Withycombe reference, with <Mikael> dated 1279.
R&W sn. Marshall does have:
<Goisfridus Marescal> 1084
<Hugo Maskercal> 1087-97
<William Marescald> 1100-30
<Roger Mascherell> 1130
<Rainald le mareschall> c1140
<Robert Maskerel> 1166
<Robert le Marescal> 1235
<Henry le Marscal> 1238
<John Marschal> 1296

Would <Mikael Marschal_> or <Mikael Ma_scherell> be acceptable to the submitter?

Magnus von Lübeck at 2015-04-20 14:14:37
Why would the submitter need to change the last name when Bardsley s.n. Marshall has Christopher Marshall from 1572.

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-04-20 17:30:15
That would work too!

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:24:41
Given name doc checks out, but not that for the surname. ffride has explained in detail.

Device Comments:

Magnus von Lübeck at 2015-04-20 14:23:53
I couldn't find the original submissions. Either the submitter provides the original submission data or the coins.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:25:25
No conflicts found.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-05-14 05:43:28
No conflicts found.


30: Milesenda de Bourges -Resub Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2004, via the East

Purpure semy of hearts within a bordure Or.

Submission History:

"Purpure, semy of hearts Or."

This device was returned for conflict with William MacNess

The following device associated with this name was registered in April of 2002 (via AEthelmearc): Gules, semy of hearts Or.

Client added a bordure to clear conflict.

Badge Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:25:54
Follow the style of the previous return: "Purpure, semy of hearts within a bordure Or." No conflicts found vs. this one.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2015-05-14 05:45:32
No Conflicts found.


31: Nickel Hartman -New Name & New Device

Sable, on a bend sinister potenty argent a rose azure slipped and leaved vert bendwise sinister.

No major changes.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

Nickel: German Names by Hans Barlow 346

Hartman: German Names by Hans Barlow 194

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-04-20 02:59:34
German Names from Nürnberg, 1497 by Sara L. Uckelman (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/german/nurnberg1497.html and http://heraldry.sca.org/names/german/surnamesnurnunid.html) has:
8 instances of <Nickel> from the cities surrounding Nürnberg, and
3 instances of <Hartman> from Nürnberg.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:26:22
The author's name is "Bahlow". When a reference is cited, a summary of what it says must be included.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:26:58
Would prefer to see the potents of equal size on both sides of the line. No conflicts found.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Noir Licorne) at 2015-05-18 18:23:40
The rose's orientation need not be blazoned as it follows the line of the ordinary.


32: Reinhard Lowenkop -New Alternate Name Change & New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2000, via Trimaris

Gustav Siggesson Leijonhufvud

Azure, semy of crayfish argent, a sea lion and a chief engrailed Or.

Old Item: Reinhard Lowenkop, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning (Swedish, byname) most important.

Gustav: Given Name: Gustav Vasa, Gustav I, born 1496,

"The History of the Swedish People" Vol. II, by Moberg, Wilhelm, pg.148

Siggesson: Patronymic: "Son of Sigge" - Lars Siggesson Sparre, circa 1523

"The History of the Swedish People" Vol. II, by Moberg, Wilhelm, pg.120

Leijonhufvud: Byname: Marta Leijonhufvud, widow of Svante Sture, circa 1567

"Patterns of Fashion 3" by Arnold, Janet, pg. 57

Client wishes to keep Reinhard Lowenkop as an alternate.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/1151/2015-04-14/10-36-10_Gus-Doc-Patterns_of_Fashion_3-cover.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/1151/2015-04-14/10-36-13_Gus-Doc-Patterns_of_Fashion_3-pg57.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/1151/2015-04-14/10-36-15_Gus-Doc-The_History_of_the_Swedish_People-cover.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/1151/2015-04-14/10-36-17_Gus-Doc-The_History_of_the_Swedish_People-pg120.jpg
#5 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/1151/2015-04-14/10-36-19_Gus-Doc-The_History_of_the_Swedish_People-pg148.jpg

Alternate Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-04-20 04:19:29
SMP sn. Gøtstaf (http://130.238.4.107/SMP/pdf/gotstaf.pdf) many variations, but no period examples of <Gustav>. It does have the Latin form <Gustauus> in 1334
SDHK also provides us with:
<Gustauus Magnusson> 1334, Latin, SDHK-nr: 4057 (http://sok.riksarkivet.se/SDHK?EndastDigitaliserat=false&SDHK=4057)and
<Gustauus Tunason> 1341, SDHK-nr: 4671 (http://sok.riksarkivet.se/SDHK?EndastDigitaliserat=false&SDHK=4671)
<domini Gustaui Niclisson> 1334, Latin, SDHK-nr: 4068 (http://sok.riksarkivet.se/SDHK?EndastDigitaliserat=false&SDHK=4068)
So the vernacular form would be <Gustau>, I suppose?

<Gunnæ Siggesson> 1403, Swedish, SDHK-nr: 16048 (http://sok.riksarkivet.se/SDHK?EndastDigitaliserat=false&SDHK=16048)
<Gvnnonis Siggesson> 1420, Latin. SDHK-nr: 19554 (http://sok.riksarkivet.se/SDHK?EndastDigitaliserat=false&SDHK=19554)

<Ebba Leijonhofwud> married Svante Sture in 1613, Sweden. Batch no. M41974-1 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FKRZ-6X7)

So <Gustauus Siggesson> or <Gustau Siggesson> would make for a fine 14-15th c. Swedish name, but I can only find a single example of someone in a period document being referred to by the surname Leijonhufvud, and it's a familysearch record... so <Gustau Siggesson Leijonhofwud>?

(I'm a little skeptical they would have mixed their u's and w's in this way, but seems to be registerable?)

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:27:34
Docs check out. Reinhard Lowenkop was registered in June, 2000, but the other name appears not to be, so this seems to be a simple name change.

Device Comments:

Andreas Lucernensis at 2015-04-24 16:55:31
Crayfish are difficult to identify.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:27:58
Don't find the crawdads especially identifiable. No conflicts found.


33: Slaine MacKenyn -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2013, via Trimaris

Or, a horned owl sable maintaining a rosemary sprig proper and in sinister chief a crosslet vert.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:28:53
The sprig is well-nigh invisible. Since we have changed the dictionary meaning of "maintaining" to suit our needs, this must be specified as "maintaining in its claws". It could as easily have been in its beak. The secondary charge is a Latin cross crosslet. No conflicts found.


34: Sophia Arabia Petrae -New Name & New Device

Per bend purpure and vert, a winged unicorn and a triquetta aregent.

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Sopia Name in Roman Empire 6th & 7th century. Feminine Names in 6th/7th Century by Bardas Xiphias

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/PLRE_fem_names.html

Arabia Petrae A Short Guide to Byzantine Names for SCA Personae by Hrolf Herijolfsson

http://ynysfawr.lochac.sca.org/files/pdf/Byzantine-Names.pdf

Name Comments:

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2015-04-20 00:49:42
I am able to document Sophia Arabia using http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/PLRE_fem_names.html but I am unable to document Petrae. The article on which the name is based states that it is a geographical place but I am unsure if it is good enough to use as documentation as there are no date given.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:29:36
The source for the locative describes it as a "geographical feature", which would apparently include the city of Petra. It doesn't make it clear how to make this into a feminine locative surname.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:30:06
"triquetra" "argent" No conflicts found.


35: Tailefhlaith ingen Ghormghiolla -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language most important.

Tailefhlaith: pg. 1162; 885 A.D.

ingen:

Ghormghiolla: 967 A.D. (feminine form of Gormghiolla)

Name Comments:

Alys Mackyntoich (Blue Tyger) at 2015-04-19 14:28:56
<Taileflaith> is an Old Irish female given name found in Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada's "Index of Names in Irish Annals" (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Taileflaith.shtml) with Annals dates of 777, 799, 882, 885.

<ingen> is the correct pre-1200 patronymic marker for women, meaning "daughter".

<Gormgilla> is a Middle Irish male name also found in Mari's "Index" (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Gormgilla.shtml) with an Annals date of 965. There is no genitive form given, so the submitter should be aware that the spelling of the byname might have to change. I'm not sure where the submitter got Gormghiolla from.

Using <ingen> requires the pre-1200 form of the father's name, so <Gormgilla> is the appropriate form of the byname. In pre-1200 Irish, <G> does not change spelling after <ingen>

So the name should be changed to <Tailefhlaith ingen Gormgilla> while we research the probable genitive form.

Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Aldyrne) at 2015-05-10 19:13:16
I'm betting the submitter got the <Gormghiolla> form from the citation on the annals index page. It's from the Annals of the Four Masters and they routinely updated orthography. Without evidence the name was used in Early Modern Irish or known as the name of the saint, the <Gormghiolla> form is not registerable.

My best guess would be that the nominative and genitive for this name are the same in Middle Irish since the <Gilla [X]> names don't change spelling of <Gilla> in the genitive.

So: <Taileflaith ingen Gormgilla>

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:30:40
We have dates and in the case of the given name, a page number, but nothing to indicate what the sources are.


36: Tiberius Aurelius Magnus -New Name & New Device

hevronelly argent and gules counterchanged, on a pale sable a sword inverted argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

Tiberius Inscriptions of Roman Tripolitania

Translation: "To Tiberius Julius Frontinus, of the Roman voting tribe Papiria, flamen (priest) of the deified Augustus, the whole city council of the colony of Lepcis Magna decreed the statue to a deserving man; Tiberius Julius Fronto, son of Tiberius, satisfied by the honour, set it up at his own expense to a most indulgent father."

http://inslib.kcl.ac.uk/irt2009/IRT598.html

Aurelius Inscriptions of Roman Tripolitania

Translation: Aurelius Flacianus [•• ? ••] priestly ? school [•• ? ••], fortunate both when he lived [?and when] he died. He was ? son [of•• ? ••]; he lived 50 years.

http://inslib.kcl.ac.uk/irt2009/IRT114.html#edition

Magnus Inscriptions of Roman Tripolitania

Translation:To Aurellius Nazmur their father and [•• ? •• their] mother, the Aurellii Maior and Magnus and Arcadius, sons, [•• ? ••] had this made for their most dutiful [parents].

http://inslib.kcl.ac.uk/irt2009/IRT891.html#edition

Name Comments:

Christopher Devereux at 2015-05-04 15:22:44
Both the praenomen Tiberius and the nomen Aurelius are listed in "A Simple Guide to Imperial Roman Names" by Ursula Georges (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/roman.html) as well as what's provided here.

A Study of the Cognomina of Soldiers in the Roman Legions by Lindley Richard Dean has Magnus as a cognomen, mentioning 15 examples. (https://archive.org/stream/studyofcognomina00deanuoft#page/40/mode/2up/search/Magnus)

The name is correctly formed, and I found no conflicts. The closest name that I could find was Titus Aurelius Magnus, and this is clear of that name.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2015-05-18 07:23:26
This is a classic Roman trinomina. The submitted docs are correct but the sources Christopher Devereux listed are easier for most heralds to understand.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:31:25
Looks OK.

Device Comments:

Modar Neznanich (Volk) at 2015-04-21 09:27:08
Suggested blazon: "Per pale and chevronelly argent and gules, on a pale sable a gladius inverted argent." The term 'counterchanged' is not utilized with this blazon form. For example, see the submission of Randolph Caparulo registered on the August 2011 LoAR as "Per pale and chevronelly inverted Or and azure."
url: https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=17065

Consider the armory of Paul Adler (registered December 2003 via Calontir): Chevronelly gules and argent, on a pale sable an eagle's head erased argent." There is a DC for sword vs eagle head. Is there a DC for the field difference?

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:32:49
The field is counterchanged per pale. No conflicts found. My opinion is that Paul Adler is clear.


37: Ursula Blackpoole -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

Ursula: The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names by E. G. Withycombe, pg 286

Blackpoole: The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Place-Names by Eilert Ekwall, pg 62

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2015-04-20 03:36:47
A. D. Mills. 2011. A Dictionary of British Place Names (Oxford University Press)
sn. Blackpool has:
<Blackpoole> 1602
(See image 1)

Interestingly, this seems to come from a baptismal record, as:
C. Roeder. 1902. "Rise and growth of Blackpool (1592-1792)" "Transactions of the Historic Society of Lancashire and Cheshire volume 54, pp. 1-18 has on page 2 (https://archive.org/stream/transactionshis16chesgoog#page/n31/mode/2up)
<Thomas Cowban de Blackpoole> 1602
<Ric. Warbreck of the Blackpoole> 1634
<Thomas Singleton of the Blackpoole> 1640

Late Sixteenth Century English Given Names by Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/eng16/eng16alpha.html)
has 3 instances of <Ursula>.

1: Image 1

Magnus von Lübeck at 2015-05-18 07:20:17

Neither of the cited sources has a dated example for the names. Looks like Mill's citation will be needed for Blackpoole. To go with it:
FamilySearch Historical Records
Ursula Myll Female Burial Date: 21 Dec 1602 Wanborough, Wiltshire, England Batch Number: B15256-1
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCSW-XWY

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:33:21
Withycombe and Ekwall are both on the no-photocopy list, but either way, this letter is supposed to include summaries of what the sources say about the names.


38: Valeria da Nizza -New Name & New Device

Azure, an eagle displayed on a point pointed Or three poppy blossoms one and two gules.

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Valeria: 1625 Names from Sixteenth Century Venice by Juliana de Luna

http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/16thcvenice.html

da: Italian for "of"

Nizza: Italian for (city of) "Nice". The Encyclopedia Britannia 1910 OCLC 14782424

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:34:06
More importantly, is "Nizza" the Italian name for "Nice" in period?

Magnus von Lübeck at 2015-05-18 05:36:36

English: City map of Nice in 1624.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Plan-Nice-1624.jpg

1: Image 1

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-19 06:28:15
English? The notations appear to be in Italian: "Excellent!" (rubbing hands together)

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:34:32
We have registered poppies in the past, but I haven't found what their distinctive characteristics are. No conflicts found.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2015-05-18 05:19:11
Poppies look much like roses with a blazonable difference but not a DC.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2015-05-18 05:39:37
No conflict found.


39: Vistilia Messalina Pulcharia -New Name & New Device

Argent, a quill pen fesswise and a domestic cat sejant guardant within a bordure potenty azure.

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Vistilia: Pliny the Elder spoke of Vistilia, wife of Glitius. Natural History 7.38.L First century Tacitus wrote of the Senate vs. Vistilia, a prostitute, Annals 2.85.L AD 19

Messalina: Valeria Messalina was third wife to Emperor Claudius, executed in AD 48

Pulcharia: Pulcharia and Morcian called the Council of Chalcedon, AD 451

Pulcharia was daughter of Theodosius II

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:35:06
Looks OK.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2015-05-18 01:23:09

Livius http://www.livius.org/person/domitius-corbulo/
Gnaeus Domitius Corbulo (7 CE? - 67)
Gnaeus Domitius Corbulo was born in Peltuinum Vestinum, a small town in the eastern Apennines (modern S. Paolo di Peltuino), as the first-born son of a senator with the same name, and a lady named Vistilia.

Valeria Messalina, (c. 17/20-48) was the third wife of the Roman Emperor Claudius.

Aelia Pulcheria (January 19, 398 or 399 - 453) was the second child of Eastern Roman Emperor Arcadius.

The documentation here is not OK, it is a mess. I have provided the full names of people who use the submitted name elements to document them to the Roman Empire. Much more is needed but I do not have time to dig through the Prosopographies to fix this at this late stage of commentary. The names are period but we have to check if the names fit into a correct structure and pattern for this era.

If anyone is tempted to quote SENA's temporal rules about this submission, don't. That would only reveal your, and SENA's, lack of understanding of Imperial Roman naming practices.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:35:30
Afraid I don't see the pen as coprimary, but as secondary. No conflicts found.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2015-05-17 10:39:30
No conflict found.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Noir Licorne) at 2015-05-18 18:26:36
I believe that the quill pen is a secondary charge, not co-primary with the cat. Not conflict checked yet.


40: Wilhelm Borgman -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

Wilhelm: Deutsches Namenlexikon: Familien- und Vornamen nach Ursprung und Sinn erklärt (suhrkamp taschenbuch) by Hans Bahlow, pg 74

Borgman: Deutsches Namenlexikon: Familien- und Vornamen nach Ursprung und Sinn erklärt (suhrkamp taschenbuch) by Hans Bahlow, pg 550

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2015-05-06 16:36:44
I have only the Gentry translation of Bahlow. She has Wilhelm with ample citations from period, but has only "Borgmann" without a date, but with commentary indicating that it dates to our period. No sign of a "-man" ending. Brechenmacher also has "Borgmann", but has no citations of "Borgman".

Magnus von Lübeck at 2015-05-17 10:36:34

FamilySearch Historical Records
Wilhelm Bidenbach Male Death Date: 05 Apr 1571 Sindelfingen, Württemberg, Germany Batch Number: B00429-2
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWLQ-83G

Johan Vorn Spouse's Name: Anna Borgman 23 Feb 1637 Sankt Peter Und Paul, Kirchhundem, Westfalen, Preußen, Germany Batch Number: M91616-1
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NZLB-J27


Yours in Service,

Honorable Lord Collyne Greymoire

Lymphad Herald of the Kingdom of Trimaris


OSCAR counts 27 Names, 4 Alternate Name Changes, 1 Household Name, 1 Heraldic Title, 25 Devices, 1 Device Change and 4 Badges. There are a total of 63 items submitted on this letter.