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Trimaris ILoI dated 2014-11-14

Greetings from the Lymphad Herald of the Kingdom of Trimaris,

Welcome esteemed commenters to the November 14th KLoI of Trimaris.

Please accept the following submissions or your consideration.

I would like to send out a special thanks to all of the Heralds of Trimaris who pitched in to help and make this job possible.

1: Arianna Rosa Cristina Veneziano -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 1996, via Trimaris

Azure, a greyhound bitch rampant argent collared gules maintaining between its paws a fleur-de-lys azure.

Submission History: 03-2014 LoAR, Device Azure, a greyhound rampant argent collared gules maintaining a fleur-de lys, in chief three fleurs-de-lys argent.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Asgar Rolfes sune, reblazoned elsewhere on this letter as Azure, a mastiff statant erect reguardant maintaining in chief a spear fesswise reversed argent. There is one DC for the addition of the secondary charges, but we do not grant difference for the change in maintained charges or for the type of dog.

Correction to Device (2014-Nov-15 03:11:54): Blazon Correction: Azure, a greyhound bitch rampant argent collared gules maintaining between its paws a fleur-de-lys and on a point pointed Or a fleur-de-lys azure.

Device Comments:

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2014-11-15 01:55:45
I think that this blazon is missing sxomething. It make no mention of the pointed point charged with a fleur de lys azure.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-15 19:15:18
No conflict found.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:02:44
No conflicts found.

Finnguala inghean Alusdair (Triskele) at 2014-12-01 11:51:38
Shouldn't the color of the maintained fluer be mentioned? So...Azure, a greyhound bitch rampant argent collared gules maintaining between its paws a fleur-de-lys Or and on a point pointed Or a fleur-de-lys azure. My other question would be should the fore paws be specified when blazoning the maintained charge since the bitch does have four paws?

Uasal ingen Eogain at 2014-12-04 19:08:55
The tincture "cascades" within the blazon. Everything after "argent" and before "Or" becomes tinctured Or. Since the Fleur is the same tincture as the following charge (the point pointed), the tincture only needs to be mentioned after the last charge bearing that tincture.

I understand what you mean about "paws" vs. "forepaws". It's a good change.

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2014-12-10 20:41:06
The addition of the pointed pointed and charged clears the original conflict. No additional conflicts found.


2: Conchor Mac Allen -Resub Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Culture (Irish) most important.

Submission History: Name: Conchúr McAllen

This name was returned in Kingdom for using modernized spellings.

Name revised.

Conchur: Annales Breves Hiberniae by: Thaddeus Dowling, 1268.1

Conchur O Brien fuit interfectus per Dermitium McMynard.

Mac Allen: Black, Surnames of Scotland p. 451 s.n. MacAllan has the following relevant dated spellings:

M'Allan - which expands to MacAllan because M' is a scribal abbreviation - 1477

McAllan - which likewise becomes MacAllan - 1600

Name Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-15 22:45:38
So no documentation for Mac Allen? They're hoping we'll find some?

Collyne Greymoire (Lymphad) at 2014-11-16 02:27:25
Typos, my apologies, The name and all references should be Mac Allan.

Song Zidie at 2014-11-16 21:03:54
I'm a little confused. Does the submitter want <Conchur MacAllan> or <Conchor Mac Allan>? The documentation as given only supports <Conchur> unless it was a typo (I don't know where to go to check that first reference). The documentation does not support <Mac Allan>, only <MacAllan>. These are both Anglicised names; AFAIK there should not be a space inserted between Mac and Allan.

For <Conchor>, I found:

Conchor, 1599. s.n. Connor http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnglicizedIrish/Masculine.shtml
I found no references to <Conchur>.

If someone with access to Black could double check the documentation for the surname?

I imagine the correct form will be <Conchor MacAllan>.

No conflict found.

Collyne Greymoire (Lymphad) at 2014-11-16 22:50:22
Yes, the entire proper name should be: <Conchor MacAllan>

Alys Mackyntoich (Blue Tyger) at 2014-11-17 18:04:38
That name is an Anglicized Irish/Scots combo, which is permitted by Appendix C of SENA.

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2014-12-10 20:44:46
Agreed, and in that form it looks good to go. No conflicts found.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:03:28
Looks good.


3: Cúán mac Muirchertaig -Resub Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Culture (Irish) most important.

Submission History: Name: Cuán Martagh

This name was returned in Kingdom for improper accents and for having two given names and no byname.

Cúán: is an Old and Middle Irish Gaelic name found in Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada's "Index of Names in Irish Annals" (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Cuan.shtml) with Annals dates of 639, 641, 645, 649, 686, 743, 748, 782, 787, 788, 890, 891, and 1024.

mac Muirchertaig: Mari's "Index" dates to 882, 941, 943, 977, 1057, 1060, 1089, 1092. (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Muirchertach.shtml).

Name Comments:

Song Zidie at 2014-11-16 21:38:09
Documentation and construction confirmed. No conflict found.

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2014-12-10 20:46:41
Ditto.


4: Deirdre Ui Mhaille -New Branch Name & New Device

Puente de los Leones, Canton of

Argent, on a fess enarched a laurel wreath Or between a lion couchant and a lion couchant cotourny azure .

No major changes.
Culture (Spain (Iberia) 8th - 14th Centuries) most important.
Meaning (Bridge of the Lions) most important.

Puente - Bridge in Spanish

Leones - Lions in Spanish

Lions are a tip of the hat to Ahlambra and St. Augustine's earliest Spanish Settlement and its famous lion fountain.

Branch Name Comments:

Kolosvari Arpadne Julia at 2014-11-14 21:54:43
Um, something's very wrong here: a person can't register a branch name. Did two submissions somehow get combined?

Collyne Greymoire (Lymphad) at 2014-11-14 22:30:41
No, I spoke with the Kingdom Seneschal to get approval before submitting this, this was her response: "This Canton is currently incipient. They must now get their heraldry in order before they can be approved by the Board of Directors. There is no letter of approval that I am aware of, however, I do know they were announced as an incipient group in court."

Deirdre Ui Mhaille is the representative of the incipient Canton.

Haakon Bjornsson (Gold Axe) at 2014-11-15 07:28:50
Per the administrative handbook: II B. Names Which May be Registered to Branches - Society branches may register names appropriate for the type of branch. Such names are divided into several administrative categories.

1. Branch Name - The single name of a Society branch under which records of registration are maintained. This name will appear in all formal documents mentioning the branch, including scrolls, the kingdom regnum, etc. Branch designators (such as shire or barony) are not part of the registered branch name; they are administrative placeholders which may or may not reflect the actual current status of the branch. The branch designator that should be used in a Branch Name is determined by the current status of the branch; changes of designator do not need to be noted by Laurel to be official.

In short this name cannot be registered to an indiviual, but must be registered to the Kingdom.

Collyne Greymoire (Lymphad) at 2014-11-15 08:20:00
I didn't read it that way. That rule only pertains to the designation of the branch (Canton, Shire, Barony ect.) not being registered as part of the name. It does not say who or what entity is to be listed for the submission.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-15 18:39:50
This is not the way a branch name gets processed. If you doubt what I say please email Pelican and ask about the procedure for a branch name and its heraldic processing.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-17 10:12:19

Branch names are registered to the local canton as are the branch arms. You can register the name to an individual if it also is registrable as a household. Why on earth would you want to? I have only had to do that once in 20 years of working with new groups.

The correct procedure is to withdraw this submission and resubmit on a Branch Name form.

The elements of the name need to be documented to period Spanish (usually with the help of locative surname sections of Spanish name articles).
The name has to be documented to follow period place name construction for Spanish place-names.
It is free of conflict so that isn't a problem. There doesn't appear to be any rules issues now or for the future affecting its registration.

Last of all a petition of support is required signed by the required canton officers and populace with both legal and SCA names. A form petition and the rules for it are cited below.

If the group wishes assistance with any of the heraldry issues please let me know. I have done a lot of these in my SCA career.

Petition for Registration of Group Name and Device
We the undersigned members and officers of ([Society branch name]) affirm that we approve of the submission of the branch name ([Society branch name submitted]) and device, ([blazon]), pictured below.
[Date] [Signatures of Officers and/or Populace]

From the Admin Handbook 5. Evidence of Support - Submissions involving the branch name or arms of an active branch must include evidence of support for the action on the part of a majority of the active members of the branch. In the case of branches with no ruling noble, this support may be demonstrated by a petition of a majority of the populace and officers or by a petition of the seneschal and at least three-quarters of the other local officers. In the case of branches with ruling nobles, a statement of support from all of the ruling nobles is required in addition to the petition. A valid petition must include a clear description of the item submitted; either the blazon or emblazon is sufficient for a petition regarding branch arms, though both are preferable.

Song Zidie at 2014-11-16 21:44:54
Branch Names are separate items on their own and aren't associated with individuals or even larger branches, and this submission as is would be. Look in the O&A at how they're organised.

I don't know whether it would be possible to protect the arms they want by registering it to the barony or kingdom as a badge since I'm not sure whether it's permitted to have a laurel wreath on a badge, even one associated with a branch.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-17 10:00:24
Laurel wreaths are only permitted on branch devices not badges. Only branch arms may have a laurel wreath.

Alys Mackyntoich (Blue Tyger) at 2014-11-17 18:05:44
Fellow submissions herald here. If you need help re-formatting and setting these submissions up properly, drop me a line and I can advise. alys.mackyntoich@gmail.com

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-21 15:39:27
CORDE (Corpus Diacrónico del Español) may be needed the help with documentation http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2011/01/11-01cl.html

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:04:29
Agree that this can't be registered to an individual.

Device Comments:

Song Zidie at 2014-11-16 21:50:49
For what it's worth:

Argent, on a fess enarched between two lions couchant counter-couchant azure a laurel wreath Or

No conflict found.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-17 00:05:03
The reserved Laurel wreath is not permitted to be registered to individuals, only branches for their device. That is enough to get this returned at Laurel.

Song Zidie at 2014-11-17 02:17:28
Yeah :/ See my comments on the name above.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-17 09:53:12

The correct way to proceed for the Canton would be to withdraw this device. Since it is clear of conflict it only needs to be submitted with a petition of support signed by members of the canton with both legal and SCA names. A form petition and the rules for such are given below. Following the accepted procedure for a new group will greatly speed up the establishment. Laurel handles the new branch's name and device and the kingdom seneschal's office handles the rest of incipient group registration.

Otherwise this will get returned at kingdom or Laurel for use of the Laurel wreath reserved charge on an individual device registration, lack of petition of support and Deirdre Ui Mhaille already has a device registered.

Deirdre Ui Mhaille registered in January of 1987 (via the East):
"Purpure, three escallops in pall inverted, hinges to center, within a bordure argent."

Petition for Registration of Group Name and Device
We the undersigned members and officers of ([Society branch name]) affirm that we approve of the submission of the branch name ([Society branch name submitted]) and device, ([blazon]), pictured below.
[Date] [Signatures of Officers and/or Populace]

From the Admin Handbook 5. Evidence of Support - Submissions involving the branch name or arms of an active branch must include evidence of support for the action on the part of a majority of the active members of the branch. In the case of branches with no ruling noble, this support may be demonstrated by a petition of a majority of the populace and officers or by a petition of the seneschal and at least three-quarters of the other local officers. In the case of branches with ruling nobles, a statement of support from all of the ruling nobles is required in addition to the petition. A valid petition must include a clear description of the item submitted; either the blazon or emblazon is sufficient for a petition regarding branch arms, though both are preferable.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:05:43
Song's blazon looks good to me. No conflicts found.


5: Dionysius Eirenikos -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Trimaris LoI of October 31, 2013 as submitted.

Sable, a fox couchant between three suns in their splendor Or.

Submission History: Trimaris ILoI dated 2013-08-20 Device" Sable between suns salitare a fox in repose proper Or.

This device was returned in Kingdom for the main charge position being unblazonable. The device was redrawn and reblazoned to correct this issue.

Device Comments:

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-16 12:48:00
No conflict found. Dionysios Eirenikos was the spelling registered January 2014.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:06:27
Nicely proportioned. No conflicts found

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2014-12-10 20:53:09
Agreed.


6: Eldon Ungol of the Phoenix -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 1982, via Atlantia

Azure, a lozenge withing a bordure embattled argent.

Badge Comments:

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-15 18:30:08

This appears to be a resubmission for a February 1985 badge return at Laurel.

Eldon Ungol of the Phoenix. Badge. Per chevron azure and sable, in dexter chief a sun Or and in base a spider inverted argent.
NOTE: Ungol is the Eldarin word for 'spider'. (Noel 202) The badge is a depiction (sun in blue sky, spider beneath surface of black mountain) of the lair of Shelob in The Lord of the Rings. The College of Arms has long considered this kind combined allusion to be excessive. The design is also unbalanced.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-15 22:50:03
Typo, easy to read past: within, no G.

Song Zidie at 2014-11-16 22:08:22
No conflict found.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:07:02
No conflicts found.

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2014-12-10 21:02:44
Amazingly, I found no conflicts. This is clear of Kathryne of Three Hills registered in January of 2013 (via the Middle): Azure, a winged lozenge and a bordure argent. One DC for removing the wings and 1 DC for the type of the bordure. And clear of Constantina Tagarina registered in January of 2005 (via Atlantia): Azure, on a lozenge argent a sprig of alder vert, a bordure argent. One DC for removing the tertiary and a second DC for the type of the bordure.


7: Ephrem Orbeli -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2012, via Trimaris

Gules, a cross throughout argent and overall two lions combatant Or within a mullet of seven points azure.

Submission History: Device: Quarterly Azure and gules, a cross throughout second, third, fourth quarter a cross formy argent, first quarter a lion contourney or.

This device was returned in Kingdom for violating SENA A.6.F.3.b. Quarterly Fields with Multiple Charge Groups: (Marshalling)

The device has been redesigned.

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-15 22:59:54
Surely the blazon needs to be Gules, a cross throughout argent and overall on a mullet of seven points azure two lions combatant Or.

In any case, absent documentation, this emblazon must be returned for lack of contrast of the overall charge. From http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A3B4a: "a. Placement of Charges: Charges must have good contrast with the background on which they are placed. Primary, secondary, and overall charge groups are considered to be placed on the field and must have good contrast with it."

Reversal of the Or and the azure would take care of that.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:09:53
Start from the field and work forward: "Gules, a cross argent surmounted by a mullet of seven points azure charged with two lions combatant Or." No conflicts found, but may an overall charge be charged?

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-29 19:31:31
Looking over recent blazons, we seem to use "surmounted" only when "overall" clearly won't do. For instance, the flag of Zimbabwe: Barry of seven vert, Or, gules, sable, gules, Or, and vert, overall on a dexter tierce triangular argent fimbriated sable, a mullet gules surmounted by a bird of Zimbabwe Or. [Emphases of course mine.]

Or Úlfhildr Sverradóttir's device, October 2012 (West): Argent, a saltire azure surmounted by a ram's head cabossed sable, a bordure azure platy. The head does not overlie the bordure. https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=23874 if you have access.

A commenter on that item declared, I believe correctly:

"Overall" means "overlapping all of the other charges". It's often incorrectly used as a synonym for "surmounted". The latter term is what would be correct here: "... a saltire azure surmounted by a ram's head ..."

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-29 19:36:07
Oh, and since the overall charge is considered to lie on the field, charges on it are tertiary, not quaternary.

So not surprisingly we keep registering such, most recently Gunther von Brandenburg's badge, January 2013 (Middle): Sable, a pale checky gules and argent and overall on a plate two bear's jambes bendwise sable.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2014-12-02 14:29:46
Overall charges are required to have good contrast with the field. This is color-on-color, and must be returned, or else have an IAP documented.

Bronwen o Gydweli (White Antelope) at 2014-12-10 21:08:52
Agreed.


8: Eva inghean Alaxandair -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2012, via Trimaris

Azure, a peguin proper and on a chief wavy argent a domino mask sable between two roses azure.

Submission History: Device: Per bend sinister argent a semy of natural roses slipped and leaved azure and azure a semy of domino masks argent, a penguin proper.

This device was returned in Kingdom because the semy patterns were too small to be readily identifiable.

The device has been redesigned.

Device Comments:

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-16 14:15:01
There is a step from period practice for the use of a penguin. There is concern about all of the sable parts of the penguin lying on the azure field. This is poor contrast. Blazon as: "Azure, a penguin affronty proper on a chief wavy argent a domino mask sable between two roses azure."

Uasal ingen Eogain at 2014-11-18 12:46:32
Unfortunately I have to agree that the penguin is unidentifiable at a distance due to the sable-on-azure.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-18 13:15:29
An Or field is about the only one a penguin proper can use due to contrast issues. A multi-tinctured field using Or as a component should also work.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-29 20:07:12
At http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=16599 Istvan Wreath declared, "a mini which is X high should be viewed from a distance of 20*X" in the same units."

Viewing the 2" version in the colors my hardware provides (which, for what it's worth, closely match between color and color-adjusted) at rather more than arm's length, I have no trouble recognizing the bird. I think the white detailing on the wings makes a significant difference, by the way.

However, I'd like to see the roses barbed and seeded for identifiability. Even sable would be better than the current nothing.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-29 20:21:35

The poor penguin like the orca has its share of contrast issues.
[August 2014 LoAR, R-] Ffelix Æskelsson.
Device. Per fess sable and argent, an increscent Or and a penguin sable bellied argent beaked and footed Or maintaining a sword bendwise sable.
This device is returned for lack of contrast.
Per precedent:
Unfortunately, just as a black orca with a white belly can't be put on an argent field (v. Rowan Seer, March 2000), so too a black auk with a white belly can't be put on an argent field.
Here we have a similar case where the belly of the penguin disappears for sharing the tincture of the field.
Although the July 2010 cover letter, discussing about fox proper on an argent background, concluded "The precedent, therefore, is overturned. As long as the charge maintains its identifiability, minor details, even minor details which are identifying characteristics, may have no contrast with the underlying tinctures." we have here a different situation, as it's about half the charge that disappears against the argent field and thus the identifiability is not maintained.
There is a step from period practice for the use of a penguin.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:10:44
"penguin" No conflicts found.


9: Gryfyn de Moyon -New Household Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 2010, via Trimaris

House of the Gold Crescent

Submitter has no desire as to gender.
Sound most important.

Gold-Found dated to 1382 in the OED, Vol. 6, pg. 652 s.n. gold, definition 1 citing Wyclif "a candlistik forgid of moost clene gold" referencing Exodus 37:17.

Crescent-Found dated to 1590 in the OED, Vol. 4, pg. 10 s.n. crescent, citing Shakespeare, a Midsummer Night's Dream "hee is no crescent and his horns are inuisible" referencing Act 5, Scene 1.

Household Name Comments:

Song Zidie at 2014-11-16 23:09:40
Household name follows the pattern of sign names. No conflict found.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:11:12
Looks OK.


10: Isobel Steade -New Name & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Isabella Oakwood(7/1993)

Per bend sinister vert and azure, on a bend sinister argent, a horse head cotourny erased sable.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Meaning most important.
Spelling most important.

Isobel: Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames Index of Names Attested After 1450, by Talan Gwynek, Fause Losenge Herald Extraordinary

(Brian M. Scott, bmscott@stratos.net)

© 1994 by Brian M. Scott; all rights reserved.

Isobel 1548 Renton

http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Isabel

Steade:

http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juetta/parish/surnames_s.html

by Julie Kahan (jstamp@netvision.net.il)

Steade GAT 1566

Name Comments:

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2014-11-16 21:07:47
Documentation checked and verified. No conflict found.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:11:39
Docs check out.

Device Comments:

Song Zidie at 2014-11-16 23:21:25
Quite a few close calls, but no conflict. The horse head could be sable-r. If she's worried about internal detailing those can be done in argent.

Vettorio Antonello at 2014-11-18 12:01:42
The horse head is colored in grey, which the oscar system interprets as argent it seems. So you wind up with argent on argent. I'm not sure if this needs to be returned for redraw or just an artists note that the head should be sable will suffice.

Collyne Greymoire (Lymphad) at 2014-11-18 17:30:13
I will make an artist's note before sending it up.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:13:41
"contourny" Agree about drawing the head sable with argent detailing. We have recently been requiring erasing to be drawn more boldly than this. No conflicts found.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-29 20:19:19
And palewise. I'm not sure whether the default would be head-vertebrae or neck-cut parallel to the bend's edge, but I'm certain that both at 45-degrees to it is not.

So Per bend sinister vert and azure, on a bend sinister argent a horse's head palewise contourny erased sable.

If anybody cares: It's 246 to 2 currently in the O&A for the possessive vs. plain, and less massive preference for "palewise" before "to sinister" or "contourny", and for "erased" after orientation.


11: Kelvin Alastair MacGowan -Resub Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 1984, via Meridies

Argent, in bend three roundels vert each charged with a compass rose argent.

Submission History: (Fieldless) On a plate in bend three pommes, each charged with a compass rose argent.

Badge was returned because you cannot register charged roundels in fieldless badges.

Badge Comments:

Song Zidie at 2014-11-16 23:30:39
No conflict found.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:14:31
Would like to see the fleurs-de-lys drawn more boldly. As they are, they appear to be sable rather than argent. No conflicts found.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-29 20:22:09
Green Anchor: This seems to be on the wrong item, and possibly the wrong letter. (Does no great harm here, but it would be well to have it where it does belong.)

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-30 07:15:09
I'm referring to the fleurs-de-lys found on the north points of the compass roses.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-30 12:54:30
So I see, but only after enlarging an emblazon--thus proving the accuracy of Green Anchor's point.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2014-11-29 12:01:36
No conflicts found


12: Kjartan kjalki Kolgrimsson -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2009, via Meridies

Or, two goats dismembered combatant vert, between in pale a valknut and a valknut inverted

Submission History: Device. Or, two goats dismembered combatant vert, between in pale a valknut and a valknut inverted gules.

01-2009 LoAR Kingdom of Meridies, This device is returned for a redraw. A valknut is a period artistic design, rather than a period heraldic charge. It is registerable but, as with any other charge, it must be recognizable. The SCA has adopted the 'voided' form of the valknut, which has some space between the interlaced triangles, not the tightly woven version seen here, because the voided version is recognizable and the 'solid' version is usually not. Precedent set in 2006 explicitly disallows this non-voided style of valknut:

For purposes of SCA heraldry, a valknut is three voided triangles interlaced. The triangles in the submitted emblazon are not voided, nor are they really interlaced. The triangles are fracted (broken) in various places and the "voiding" is a thin line, abstract design on a non-identifiable underlying charge. This is also sufficient grounds for return. [Feb 2006 - Rauþúlfr inn Orþstóri]

On resubmission, the submitter should also draw the dismembered goats using medieval dismembering. Legh's Accedens of Armory, 1576, fo.48v, shows a lion dismembered. The severings are done at the middle of the hind feet, the tops of the forelegs, the breast just below the mane (and just before where the forefeet would attach), and the middle of the tail. There may be other period depictions as well. The most important point is that the severed parts aren't shifted from where they would be if the lion were whole.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:15:34
These valknuts appear to meet the objection to the previous ones. In the mini-emblazons only the dismembering at the neck is visible. No conflicts found.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2014-11-29 11:38:09
Valknut is SFPP and we only have one charge group of them. IMHO, both the valknut and dismembering has been redrawn adequately.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2014-11-29 11:41:25
No conflicts found

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-29 21:35:32
I believe an Artists' Note to make all the dismembering visible is highly desirable.

At http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=16599, Istvan Wreath declared: "a mini which is X high should be viewed from a distance of 20*X" in the same units. When I view the 2" display on my screen from slightly more than arm's length, I can see only the decapitation. I have to get closer than 6" (or, of course, click the thumbnail) to see anything more.


13: Laura la Sage -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2010, via Trimaris

Gules, a hind salient argent and a chief invected ermine.

Device Comments:

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-16 14:46:58
The previous submission had contrast issues.

Song Zidie at 2014-11-16 23:36:16
No conflict found.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:16:15
Are hinds drawn with antlers? I thought only male deer had them. Surprised not to find a conflict.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-29 21:58:11
Female reindeer and caribou have antlers, but female European deer are attired only in the sense that they have two heads--as a sport or monstrosity.

Since that is the case in nature, it is unsurprising that all the hinds in OSCAR are a deer minus both attires and--except in one probable mistake--pizzle. Fox-Davies without comment shows a hind, unattired, in A Complete Guide to Heraldry, Chapter 12, fig. 388: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Complete_Guide_to_Heraldry/Chapter_12

Since pizzles, annoyingly enough for some of us, are optional on male beasts in Society heraldry, then in order not to reject the emblazon, the Sovereigns can blazon this submission Gules, a hart salient argent and a chief invected ermine.

If the lady submitter insists on a lady deer, she can of course forego to use her registered emblazon while she submits a revision.


14: Miyamoto Aki -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2012, via Trimaris

Sable, an annulet of bamboo conjoined with three sprigs of cherry blossoms in pall argent slipped and leaved vert, blossoms issuant to center.

Submission History: Device: Sable, an annulet of bamboo with three cherry blossoms issuant to the inside proper.

This device was returned in Kingdom for having charges too small to be identifiable.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:16:58
Everything seems quite identifiable this time. Can we have that pink detailing in blossoms that are blazoned as argent? I would have thought that proper would be more accurate here. No conflicts found.


15: Morina de Clare -New Name & New Device

Purpure, a triquetra and on a chief argent a natural panther sable between two roses purpure.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Culture (Irish 14th Century) most important.

Morina: Names and Naming Practices in the Red Book of Ormond (Ireland 14th Century) by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn

1; probably a diminutive of Irish Mor, with Latinization. If so, this counts as Irish context, although the remainder of the entry is Latin.

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/lateirish/ormond-given.html#Given

de Clare: A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames by Bardsley, pg 183 S.n. Clare gives the example of Richard de Clare died 1090, Elizabeth de Clare, one of Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare's descendants, established Clare College in the 14th century.

Clare College is the second oldest of Cambridge's thirty-one colleges (its foundation having been anticipated, among surviving institutions, only by Peterhouse). It was founded in 1326, and generously endowed a few years later by Lady Elizabeth de Clare

http://www.clare.cam.ac.uk/College-History/

http://www.castlewales.com/clares.html

Correction to Name (2014-Nov-16 20:11:45): The submission of this Name is being withdrawn. It was already submitted on the 07/16/2014 KLoI.

Correction to Device (2014-Nov-16 20:11:03): The submission of this Device is being withdrawn. It was already submitted on the 07/16/2014 KLoI.

Name Comments:

Taran Saraev (Ensign) at 2014-11-21 20:51:46
All in the same Language group, so the combination should be fine. No conflicts.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:18:05
A bit of internal detailing on the cat would be good. The triquetra is interlaced with an annulet. No conflicts found.


16: Natalya of the Vayle -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2002, via Æthelmearc

Gules, on a chevron between three fleur-de-lis Or three hearts gules.

Device Comments:

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-15 16:56:28

This is not a new device but a resubmission of an October 2002 Laurel return.

Natalya of the Vayle. Device. Gules, on a chevron between three fleurs-de-lys Or a heart gules between two roses barbed and seeded proper.
Conflict with Allwyn ap Gwilliam Caernarvon, Gules, on a chevron between three double-bitted axes Or, three compass stars gules. There is one CD for changing the type of the secondary charge group. However, there is no additional difference for changing only the type of the tertiary charge group. RfS X.4.j.ii does not consider this submission to be a simple case, because the group of charges on the chevron are not all of the same type.
This also conflicts with Aidan MacDonald, Gules, on a chevron between three wolf's heads couped Or, three cinquefoils sable. Again, there is a CD for changing the type of the secondary charge group. There is no additional difference for the changes to the tertiary charge group. Because there is no type difference between a cinquefoil and a rose, the group has changed in its tincture and in less than one-half of the type of the group. These cumulative changes are not worth a CD by RfS X.4.j.i.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-29 22:23:16
For neither of the two old conflicts is there a difference in field or in primary charge. DCs must therefore be sought--and found--elsewhere under SENA. (Yes, we know Lord Magnus already knows the result, but this ought to be made explicit.)

For Allwyn ap Gwilliam Caernarvon, change in type of secondary charge group, one DC. Changing of type in the tertiary charge group, one more DC. No conflict.

For Aidan MacDonald, even more, change in type of both secondary and tertiary charge groups, change in tincture of tertiary group, three DCs, no conflict.

As for new conflicts, nothing beginning Gules, on a chevron between three ... nor anything found by searching blazon patterns Gules, on a chevron between + heart and/or fleur is a clear candidate. Someone will have to conflict-check this the right way with armory patterns, but I feel morally certain I can offer Natalya my congratulations now.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-29 23:29:15
No conflicts were found for the new submission. This is a case where the submission history was important in evaluating the current submission.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:18:46
"fleurs-de-lis" No conflicts found.


17: Nikolai Arukov Lvovich -New Alternate Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2010, via Trimaris

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Nichola de Lyne(7/2000)

Nicolo da Leone

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Culture (15th century Italian) most important.

Nicolò: 15th Century Italian Men's Names By Brian Scott (Talan Gwynek)

Finds name "Nicolò da Pexaro"

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/italian15m.html

Using "da Leone" as a locative reference to both St. Marx Lion (Venice) and the Barony of Oldenfeld.

Client wants to change his SCA name from Russian to Italian with the same general meaning

Client wishes to release previous name.

Alternate Name Comments:

Song Zidie at 2014-11-17 02:26:33
This is a new change of name, not a new alternate name.

Verified documentation for <Nicolò>. I assume the accent can be dropped. If not, client accepts changes, yes?

<Leone> seems to take <di>, not <da>:

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/Jewish/rome_names.html

Note that if it's only referring to a place because there are lions involved then it's not a proper noun in that sense and you can't be from a lion. <Leone> is a masculine given name, not any place name that I could find.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:26:55
De Felice's Cognomi has an entry for "Leone" which includes "De Leone" but not "da Leone". Don't read Italian well enough to be sure, but it appears that it's not found as a locative.


18: Persephone Coy -Resub Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

Submission History: Persephone Vittora Coy This name was returned in Kingdom because <Vittora> is an Italian name. Italian and English can no longer be combined under Appendix C of SENA (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#AppendixC)

Persephone: Withycombe states that Hebrew, Greek, and Latin names were adopted into England during the 12th C. Examples include Celestria, Cassandra, Camilla, Melodica, Grecia and Antigone.

Coy: Walter le Coy 1296 R&W, DBN, Page 870.

Aryanhwy merch Catmael at 2012-08-14 01:47:52 commented the following:

It does, however, follow the pattern noted on the LoI: While no examples were provided of the Greek literary name Persephone being used in England during our period, the use of the name follows the pattern of fanciful Greek and Latin origin names which were used in England during the 12th and 13th C. This pattern is discussed in Withycombe, Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, p. xxvii, where she says:

[I]n the late 12th century and early 13th century there were probably more christian names in use than at any subsequent period until the 20th century. Some of the Old English names were still in use, there was the rich Norman stock with a sprinkling of Breton, in addition to the newly adopted saints' names which were drawn from Hebrew, Greek, Latin, and other tongues. But even this wealth of material seems not to have satisfied the eclectic taste of the period, and the oddest names are to be met with in late-12th-century records, e.g., Aliena, Antigone, Camilla, Cassandra, Celestria, Extranea, Grecia, Hodierna, Idonea, Ismenia, Juvenal, Italia, Lavina, Leda, Melodia, Norma, Oriolda, Paris, Pavia, Pharamus, Splendor.

Other examples can be found in Reaney & Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames, on pp. xl-xli: Admiranda 1231-2, Amicabilis 1232-3, Argentina 1204, Bonajoia 1319, Caesaria 12th C, Clariandra 1248, Damisona a1290, Desiderata 1385, Diamanda 1221, Diana 1256, Eglentina 1213, Epicelena 1208, Estrangia 1202-3, Felicia 1208, Finepopla 1203, Fousafia 1218, Imagantia 1219, Ynstauncia 1327, Jolecia 1219, Olimpias 1207, Orabilia 1221, Philomena 1202, Plesantia 1274, Popelina 1212, Preciosa 1203, Primaveira 1226, Prudencia 1210, Splendora 1213, Topacia 1243.

Of particular relevance to the current submission are the names Antigone, Cassandra, Leda, Paris, and Olimpias, which are all found in Greek mythology. As Persephone is also a character of Greek mythology, it is plausible to assume that she was known to medieval England through the same sources. [LoAR 01/2009]

Client dropped <Vittora> from the name.

Name Comments:

Alys Mackyntoich (Blue Tyger) at 2014-11-17 18:08:40
As evidence of the pattern of naming children in England after figures from classical mythology, you can cite my entire KWHSS article from this year: "Late Period Names from Classical History and Mythology" by Alys Mackyntoich (KWHSS 2014: http://heraldry.sca.org/kwhss/2014/Alys_Mackyntoich/Names_from_Classical_History_and_Mythology.pdf)

I couldn't find Persephone in particular, but it fits the pattern.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:28:08
Surname doc checks out, and the argument for the given name is entirely reasonable.


19: Philomena Wensley -New Name & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Phelan Kell(2/1997)

Per fess sable and azure, a mermaid argent crined and scaled Or maintaining a string of pearls argent and in chief a plate between two mullets Or.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No changes.

Philomena: Wythicombe dates this name, in this spelling to 1202 & 1273

Wensley: Brass Encription Index (Updated 6 July 2004) by Julian Goodwyn

finds the surname Wensley in Yorkshire County, year 1375, in the Ashmolean Museum's brass rubbing collection.

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/brasses/lastnameIZ.htm

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:28:38
Docs check out.

Device Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:28:58
No conflicts found.


20: Raghallach Ó Domhnaill -Resub Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Culture (Irish post 1200) most important.

Submission History: Name: Rogallach O'Donnell

This name was returned in Kingdom for being the modern spellings of the submitted name.

Raghallach is the post-1200 form (Early Modern Irish Gaelic) of the name <Rogellach> an Old or Middle Irish Gaelic masculine name found in "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari ingen Briain (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Rogellach.shtml)

Ó Domhnaill Woulfe p. 499 s.n. Ó Domhnaill has the 16th/17th cen. Anglicized Irish spelling <O Donill>.

Name Comments:

Song Zidie at 2014-11-17 00:09:06
Documentation and construction confirmed. http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Domnall.shtml shows that the post-1200 spelling of <Domhnall> is <Domhnaill>.

No conflict found.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:29:32
Looks correct.


21: Solen Trianezov -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2014, via Trimaris

Azure, a trident head within an orle argent.

Submission History:

Device: Per chevron azure and gules, a chevron argent between a demi-sun issuant from the partition line and a trident head Or.

This device was returned for conflict with Sigmund Svertingsson (March 2000, Caid): Per chevron azure and gules, a chevron argent between a lion's head cabossed and a lance palewise Or. One DC for the change of type of the secondary group, nothing for the conjoining.

Device has been redesigned.

Device Comments:

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-16 17:18:08

Is there a DC between a trident and a trident head?

Trimaris, Kingdom ofs registered in June of 1995 (via Trimaris):
"Azure, a trident argent." for the Order of the Silver Trident

Song Zidie at 2014-11-17 00:16:26
Surely there ought to be? One's a long skinny thing and one's a triangular bulky thing. They're in separate categories in the O&A.

No other conflicts found.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-17 00:24:23
The trident is a period charge in the Pictorial Dictionary but no indication the trident head was used as a separate charge in period. No ruling on this issue was located in the LoARs.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:30:09
No conflicts found.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2014-11-29 11:45:53
No conflicts found


22: Solomon Spite -New Name & New Device

Quarterly gules and sable, a compass star overall between two spiders in bend Or.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.

Solomon: Jewish Naming Convention in Angevin England by Eleazar ha-Levi

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/jewish.html

Spite: We found nothing, requesting help.

Name Comments:

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2014-11-15 01:41:26
No conflicts found. As for documentation let's make it easier.

FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5K3-RNB : accessed 15 Nov 2014), Christofer Spite and Johane Prickett, 18 Sep 1587; citing Saint Helen Bishopsgate,London,London,England, reference ; FHL microfilm 375027, 942 B4HA V. 31. Batch M00142-1

FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NKGV-34M : accessed 15 Nov 2014), Soloman Bright and Ales Beckett, 16 Sep 1577; citing Saint Margaret Lothbury,London,London,England, reference ; FHL microfilm 374471. Batch M02273-1

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:30:51
Good to see that Christian has found an instance of "Spite".

Device Comments:

Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger at 2014-11-15 01:43:44
Will this make it through the submission process before compass stars become unregistable?

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-15 16:53:15

Compass stars with equal arms remain registrable. It's only the ones with elongated arms that go away in March 2015.

From Wreath: Compass stars elongated to base
Previous precedent, from the October 2013 Cover Letter, declared mullets elongated palewise to be unregisterable:
We had two submissions this month that featured a mullet elongated palewise. We have no evidence that such artistic treatment of a mullet was ever done in period armory at all, and we grant no difference between a mullet and a mullet elongated palewise.
However, we do have period evidence of mullets elongated to base (i.e., only the basemost ray is stretched out), but those appear to be a variant of a comet, not normal mullet. An example of such a comet can be seen in the 16th century Italian armorial Insignia Nobilium Patavinorum, BSB Cod.icon. 275, on f.65r (found at http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00001422/image_137). Therefore, as we would like to avoid confusion between comets and mullets, mullets elongated pale wise will no longer be registerable after the April 2014 decision meetings.
Per that precedent, mullets elongated to base are considered to be a variant of comets, and will be blazoned as comets. However, these variants are constructed from mullets, and not compass stars. Barring period evidence of compass stars elongated to base, that charge will not be registerable after the March 2015 decision meeting.

Song Zidie at 2014-11-17 00:30:05
As the compass star is not lying on any other charges, it's throughout instead of overall and is the primary charge. Reblazon:

Quarterly gules and sable, a compass star throughout and two spiders inverted in bend Or

I don't believe there are any conflicts but this search returns a rather long page of results.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 11:31:56
Agree! No conflicts found.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2014-11-29 11:50:27
Agreed... no conflicts found.


23: Svana Úlfsdóttir -New Name & New Device

Per chevron inverted vert and argent, a chevron inverted between a fox mask and in saltire a sword and an arrow argent.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Culture (Norse) most important.

Svana: found in Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, The Old Norse Name, p. 15, as a female given name.

Úlfsdóttir: Úlfr is a masculine given name found in Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, The Old Norse Name, p. 15, as a male given name. Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, The Old Norse Name, p. 17, documents the formation of the patronymic for names ending in -r as replacing the R with an S and appending either son or dóttir.

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter (Goutte d'Eau) at 2014-11-17 00:11:15
Docs check out, name is formed correctly.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 12:13:26
Docs check out.

Device Comments:

Song Zidie at 2014-11-17 00:31:57
The fox mask, arrow, and sword are co-secondaries so this is slot-machine.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2014-11-29 11:52:39
Agreed slot machine heraldry... without additional evidence to show it as in IAP, does not meet core rules.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-29 22:36:21
If Svana really wants all three of the secondary charge types, there's a chevron available to be charged.

And it's indeed Per chevron inverted vert and sable, a chevron inverted between a fox mask and in saltire a sword and an arrow argent.

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-17 06:02:43
This is slot machine heraldry. The secondary group has a fox's mask, a sword and an arrow as types of charges.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 12:14:44
Nitpick: this would look ever so much better if the angle of the chevron were adjusted to match that of the weapons. The field is per chevron inverted vert and sable. No conflicts found.


24: Tatsukawa Kurou Takakage -New Name

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Takahara Otoshi(8/1997)

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Culture (Japanese) most important.
Meaning most important.

Tatsukawa: Name Construction in Medieval Japan, Revised Edition, by Solveig Throndardottir, pg 327

Surname: Tatsukawa 1600, River Dragon

Kurou: Name Construction in Medieval Japan, Revised Edition, by Solveig Throndardottir, pg371

Yobina: Kurou 1332, 9th Son

Takakage: Name Construction in Medieval Japan, Revised Edition, by Solveig Throndardottir, pg 358

Nanori: Takakage 1392,

Name Comments:

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 12:15:16
Docs check out.


25: Uasal ingen Eogain -New Name & New Device

Checky vert and argent, a bordure sable.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Meaning (Given name "OO-sul", byname "daughter of Eugene") most important.

Given name: Uasal OCM pg. 175, "Uasal: f. The name of an early Irish saint"

http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Uasal.shtml

Death record of Uasal ingen Suibne mac Colmain, died in 642-643

Byname: Eogan

My own father's name is Eugene, so I'm aiming for a period-correct version of that name. The best I've found is Eógan

http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Eogan.shtml - Early Middle Irish, first found in the Annals in year 967.

Middle Irish Gaelic (c900-c1200) nominative form: Eógan

Middle Irish Gaelic (c900-c1200) genitive form: Eógain OCM pg. 87-88.

Name Comments:

Song Zidie at 2014-11-17 00:49:03
[never mind about previous comment]

<Uasal> seems to be the header form and is undated. The entry is actually for <Uasle> / <Uaisle>, dated to 642-643 AD. I'm unsure this is pronounced the way the submitter wants to pronounce it.

Confirmed <Eógain> is the correct genitive form for Middle Irish. Accents can be dropped as long as it's consistent.

Uasal ingen Eogain at 2014-11-17 18:11:44
I am the submitter. Please see the following image, taken from the cited page of O'Corrain and Maguire's Irish Names, which appears on SENA's "No Photocopy List".

1: Image 1

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-29 22:50:31
That respelled pronunciation doesn't say OO-s'l. Without your book (and therefore its pronunciation guide) at hand, I can't be certain, but the way I'd bet is that it's closer to Conchur's pronunciation at http://www.forvo.com/word/uasal/ than to BridEllis's--and even hers isn't quite that simple, I don't think, after I've listened a few times.

The Connacht and Munster versions at http://breis.focloir.ie/en/fuaim/uasal seem to confirm this. (The Ulster version there can't possibly match the book's, either, but this is what happens with dialects over the centuries, particularly when they don't start at precisely the same place even in Middle Irish.)

I'm no Irish maven, merely a journeyman in linguistics in general. So for future reference: The links above were just among the very first few that came up in my Google search on uasal pronunciation.

Uasal ingen Eogain at 2014-12-04 19:24:14
I may have been misguided in naming "pronunciation" most important. I will ask Lymphad to remove that requirement before sending it up. I was simply trying to avoid becoming "OO-say-la", which is what the Annals version of the name looks like to me. (I am fond of BridEllis's pronunciation, myself)

Alys Mackyntoich (Blue Tyger) at 2014-11-25 17:24:03
<Uasal> is listed by OCM as a saint's name, which is at least enough info to get the name up to the Society level.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 12:16:25
Docs check out.

Device Comments:

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-17 06:08:52
Nice armory.

Arwyn of Leicester at 2014-11-29 11:57:49
No conflicts found

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 12:16:48
No conflicts found.


26: Ulfr Haraldsson -Resub Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Culture (Norse) most important.

Submission History: Name: Úlfr Haraldr

This name was returned in Kingdom for using two given names and no byname.

Úlfr: Geirr Bassi - The Old Norse Name - Page 15

Haraldsson: Patronymic of Haraldr: Geirr Bassi - The Old Norse Name - Page 11

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter (Goutte d'Eau) at 2014-11-17 00:09:48
Name documentation checks out.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 12:17:24
Docs check out.


27: Una Bollisdottir -New Name

Submitter has no desire as to gender.
No major changes.

Una: O'Corrain & Maguire, pg. 176. An extremely popular name in medieval Ireland.

Bollisdottir: Geirr Bassi, pg. 8. Old Norse Name

Name Comments:

ffride wlffsdotter (Goutte d'Eau) at 2014-11-17 00:17:33
<Una> is actually a Norse name, it appears in the normalised form in Lind column 1058.
<Bolli> in the genitive becomes <Bolla>, hence <Bolladottir>.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 12:18:44
Agree with Goutte d'Eau about the patronymic construction.


28: Violante de Luca -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2014, via Trimaris

Sable, on a bend Or three hearts gules all between to lozenges argent.

Device Comments:

Song Zidie at 2014-11-17 01:01:00
Reblazon?

Sable, on a bend Or between two lozenges argent three hearts palewise gules

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-17 06:21:27

This appears to conflict with only a DC for change of type of the secondary group from horse's heads to lozenges.
Michel de Coucy registered in January of 1992 (via the East):
"Sable, on a bend Or between two horse's heads couped contourny argent, three hearts palewise gules."

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-29 22:52:47
Concur with Song Zidie.

And with Lord Magnus, for that matter.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 12:20:30
Agree with Song's blazon and with Magnus' conflict call vs. Michel.


29: Zelina Avice Philip -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2014, via Trimaris

Gules, a lion Or maintaining shears argent and on a chief fleury Or semy of fleur-de-lis sable.

Device Comments:

Magnus von Lübeck at 2014-11-17 06:56:35
Blazon as: "Gules, a lion Or maintaining a pair of scissors argent a chief fleury Or semy-de-lys sable."

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2014-11-29 23:00:38
I'd strongly recommend either a comma or an and between "argent" and "a". We've done without, but not often, and even in a comparatively short blazon like this that method makes for an unnecessary double-take.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2014-11-29 12:22:02
Agree with Magnus' blazon. We distinguish between shears and scissors, and these are the latter.


Yours in Service,

Lord Collyne Greymoire

Lymphad Herald of the Kingdom of Trimaris


OSCAR counts 13 Names, 1 Alternate Name, 1 Household Name, 1 Branch Name, 18 Devices and 2 Badges. There are a total of 36 items submitted on this letter.