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West LoI dated 2023-09-30

Unto Emma de Fetherstan, Laurel; Elisabetta Tommaso di Carduci, Pelican; Daunt Iago ab Adam, Wreath; and the various members of the College of Arms, greetings from Dame Edith of Swanesdale, Matins Herald for the Kingdom of the West!

Note: `NCS' marks citations found in the Admin Handbook, Appendix H - Sources That Do Not Require Photocopies to Laurel.

It is the intent of the West Kingdom that the following be registered.


1: Abu Sumayl Ibrahim ibn Da'ud ibn al-Basir al-Qal'at Fimi - New Badge Change

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(Fiedless) A bow bendwise sinister vert.

Old Item: Or, an orca urinant proper and in chief two ducks rising addorsed wings displayed vert., to be released.

Correction to Badge (2023-Oct-01 20:10:31): From the West submissions office:

Please update the name on record for this submission to the previously registered Ibrahim ibn Da'ud al-Qal'at Fimi al-ma'rūf bi-Butrus

On Sept 30, 2023, the submitter withdrew the name Abu Sumayl Ibrahim ibn Da'ud ibn al-Basir al-Qal'at Fimi which was submitted on the West July 2023 LoI.

Edith of Swanesdale, Matins Pursuivant


2: Adriann Þunnkárr - New Name (NP)

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No changes.

The submitter will NOT accept ANY changes and noted the desired gender (female).

Adriann - mundane name allowance, documentation provided

Þunnkárr - Old Norse byname meaning curly-head, from "Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók" (https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/vikbynames.html)

The Scandinavian name formation <given + byname> is found in SENA, Appendix A.


3: Ástriðr mjǫksiglandi Ullardóttir - New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the West LoI of May 30, 2023 as submitted.

Argent, a bat-winged three-headed dog segreant purpure, on a chief azure a roundel between an increscent and a decrescent argent.


4: August Steytr - New Name (NP)

Submitter desires a masculine name.
The following changes are allowed: Mostly as long as the first name stays the same, I'm not picky.

The submitter will accept the following changes: mostly as long as the first name stays the same, I'm not picky. The submitter cares about the gender (male) of the name.

August - shortened form of Augustus

NCS Family Search Historical Records:

August Guldin, Male, Christened on 22 Oct 1573 in Eberdingen, Württemberg, Germany, Batch# C95937-1 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NC3K-RD6 : accessed 29 October 2015

August Greiner, Male, christened on 24 May 1559 in Württemberg, Germany Batch #C91622-1https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NZJ2-PR7 : accessed 29 October 2015

Steytr - found in the SCA recommendations in A Concise dictionary of old Icelandic by Zoeya Geir. Steytr page 407.

Found at [https://norse.ulver.com/dct/zoega/s.html]

steytr, m. shock (of a wave). as listed in A Concise Dictionary of Old Icelandic [https://norse.ulver.com/dct/zoega/index.html]

according to Cleasby, page 592, this is a noun that means "the capsize". Nowadays we would probably form this as "the capsized", but that could still be a byname. "steytr, m. [Dan. stod], a capsize; fa lihagligan steyt, Bs. ii. 129; hon (the wave) horf3i a J)vert skipit ok 6gna8i hraeSiligan steyt, 50"

The Scandinavian name formation <given + byname> is found in SENA, Appendix A. Scandinavian names are compatible with German per SENA, Appendix C.


5: Benjamin Ze'ev ben Yitzhak - New Name (NP)

Benjamin Ze'ev ben Yitzhak

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No changes.

The submitter will NOT accept ANY changes and noted the desired gender (male).

Benjamin Ze'ev compound masculine Ashkenazi given name, [Beider] s.n. Zev"

[Beider] here refers to: Beider, Alexander. A Dictionary of Ashkenazic Given Names: Their Origin, Structure, Pronunciation, and Migrations.'"

NCS Beider: Zev listed, which is the header for Benjamin Ze'ev

ben - per SENA, Appendix A, Hebrew patronymic bynames are formed using <ben B> = "son of B".

Yitzhak - the Hebrew root of Isaac. It means "laughter". It is a biblical name that was also in use in period.

"Names from Hebrew Chronicles of the 10th to 13th Centuries" by Julie Stampnitzky (https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juetta/masc/yitzchak.html)

The Hebrew name formation of <given + patronymic> can be found in SENA, Appendix A.


6: Brigida Modlibog - New Name (NP) & New Device

Azure, two falcons and on a point pointed argent a closed book vert.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language/Culture (none noted) most important.

The submitter cares about the language and/or culture (none noted) and gender (female) of the name.

Brigida: Polish feminine name, 1265, 1430, 1469, 1484, SSNO Vol. 1 pp. 259-260 s.n. Brygida

Modlibog: Polish surname, 1204, 1386, 1391, 1393, 1398, 1414/1415, 1461, 1485, 1498, SSNO Vol. 3 p. 542 s.n. Modlibog

The Polish naming pattern given+byname is in SENA Appendix A.


7: Catalina de Mesa - New Name (NP) & New Device

Per bend purpure and azure, a sun Or and a domestic cat rampant maintaining an open book argent

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Meaning (Katherine is my legal given name and I am from Mesa Arizona so this name is very special to me) most important.

The submitter cares about the meaning (Katherine is my legal given name and I am from Mesa Arizona so this name is very special to me) and the gender (female) of the name.

Catalina - Spanish Names from the late 15th century Women's Names in Alphabetical Order by Juliana de Luna [https://heraldry.sca.org/names/isabella/index.html] and [https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/isabella/WomensGivenAlpha.html]

de Mesa - Spanish Names from the late 15th century The complete list of locative surnames by Juliana de Luna [https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/isabella/locative.html]

The Spanish name formation <given + locative byname> is found in SENA Appendix A.


8: Kenneth Fitz William - New Name (NP) & New Device

Sable, a wolf rampant Or and in chief three caltrops argent

No holding name.
No major changes.
The following changes are allowed: adding/deleting a word like "de" or "the" or changing language when the change is small.
Language/Culture (English) most important.

The submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares about the language and/or culture (English) of the name.

Allows adding/deleting a word like "de" or "the" or changing language when the change is small.

Kenneth is a masculine English given name found in FamilySearch: Kenneth Trumble, 28 Mar 1647, Gateshead, Durham, England, batch P00059-1

NCS Withycombe, p. 188 says it has been a favorite name in Scotland since Kenneth MacAlpine (860).

Fitz William is a byname found in the MED in 1375:

(1375) Inquis.PM Edw.III14.39 : [A garden with a croft adjoining, held of John Fitz William…by homage…and service called] wardefee.

NCS Reaney & Wilson, p. 171. Rauf le fitz William 1299, Edmund Fitzwilliam 1424, Margaret Fitzwilliam 1509.

The English language formation <given + byname> is found in SENA Appendix A.

Please use Wolf Rampant (2) and Caltrop (2)


9: Luigi Giovanni de Rossi - New Name (NP) & New Device

Quarterly gules and sable, two keys in fess inverted and on a point pointed argent a rose sable.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Spelling (none noted) most important.

The submitter cares about the spelling (none noted) and gender (male) of the name.

Luigi - from NCS "Italian Men's Names in Rome, 1473-1484" by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Kathleen M. O'Brien): Luigi [https://medievalscotland.org/kmo/Studium/GivenFreq.shtml].

Giovanni - from NCS "Italian Men's Names in Rome, 1473-1484" by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Kathleen M. O'Brien): Giovanni [ https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=1616 [ medievalscotland.org ] ]

de Rossi - from NCS Italian Men's Names in Rome, 1473-1484" by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Kathleen M. O'Brien): de Rossi [https://medievalscotland.org/kmo/Studium/BynFreq.shtml].

The Italian name formation <double given name + byname> is found in SENA, Appendix A.


10: Luigi Giovanni de Rossi - New Augmentation of Arms

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Quarterly gules and sable, two keys in fess inverted and on a point pointed argent a rose sable, for augmentation on an inestucheon argent two oak leaves in chevron inverted sable

The submitter was granted an Augmentation of Arms by King Hauoc and Queen Alyce (West) on Aug. 24, AS LIV (2019).

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1965/2023-09-08/14-51-20_luigi_device_Mini.jpg


11: Mongfind filia Colin - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2021, via the West.

Argent, a wheel purpure and a ford proper


12: Mouri Tsubakie - New Name (NP) & New Device

Argent, a peony in profile conjoined to three oak leaves inverted, within three bamboo shoots conjoined in annulo sable.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No holding name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for Japanese naming conventions in Late Period/Momoyama Era/1550's.

The submitter will NOT accept MAJOR changes and cares about the meaning (none noted), gender (female), and requests Authenticity for Japanese naming conventions in Late Period/Momoyama Era/1550's.

Family name Mouri documentation: ("The Far East" University of Michigan Volume 6, issue 7, 1875) ("Samurai - The World of the Warrior" Stephen Turnbull, 2003, page 105) ("The Samurai: A Military History" Stephen Turnbull, 1977, page 131) ("Mohri Motonari" NHK documentary, 02-15-1997)

Clan in Japan founded in the first half of the 13th century, rose to prominence in the later period/1550's due to Mouri Motonari's success in several major military campaigns, eventually becoming a daimyou/warlord in the western Chuugoku region of Japan.

And more simply, it's dated to 1332 in NCMJ.

Given name Tsubakie documentation: "Tsubaki/Camellia": ("Monogatari no.19 Motohama-cho's Traviata Kannon" Tosho Ieyasu Monogatari Collection) Requires translation

Posthumous name given to Otadzu-no-Kata, wife of warlord Iio Otadzu. She was the lord of her husband's castle (Hikuma Castle) after his death in battle during the Warring States Period/December 1568 by Tokugawa Ieyasu, and she was killed during the subsequent siege of her castle after the battle. Became known by this name due to the hundreds of camellias planted on her grave by Ieyasu's wife in respect for Otadzu-no-kata's bravery in defense of her castle.

(tabi2ikitai.com/japan/j2202a/a01013.html) page discussing the shrine dedicated to Otadzu-no-kata/Lady Tazu, requires translation.

(tsubaki.or.jp/about) Requires translation Shrine name used by the Tsubaki Grand Shrine located in the Ise region of Japan, and given this name by Reimu Goryo during the reign of Emperor Nintoku (313-399), the 16th emperor of Japan.

"~e": The secondary kanji 'e' is listed as a traditional part of feminine names, meaning "branch", on the Sengoku Daimyo name page, link given above. This kanji can also be found as an element in a surname, as "Edayoshi" on page 158 of the Sengoku Population Record/Sengoku Jinmei Jiten, compiled from names found in extant records of the Sengoku era battles, personages, and written documents and published in 1990 by Shinjinbutsu Oraisha. This name can be documented to 1571, when this family became vassals to the Ryouzoji clan. Per several Japanese dictionaries, this kanji has several readings, primarily based on where it's found within the kanji compound and which kanji it is connected to. The desired reading of 'e' instead of 'eda' follows this linguistical conjugation rule, as it is one of the forms that the desired kanji takes when used in names.

While neither 'tsubaki' nor '~e' are explicitly given in NCMJ, they do follow the traditional feminine name construction rules, as they mean "camellia" and "(shrub) branch", respectfully, which would be appropriate for a persona of this time period and type. Examples of flower elements from NCMJ used as first elements in feminine names include hollyhock, wisteria, chrysanthemum, and generic flower.

When these two are combined, this name follows the typical two kanji rule for names during later period, as discussed by Sengoku Daimyo and displayed by most names compiled in the Sengoku Population Record. We need to redocument the second element as Sengoku Daimyo is not considered a reliable source.

Correction to Name (2023-Nov-06 19:11:09): Submitter prefers the spelling Mōri Tsubakie

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1965/2023-09-08/09-53-05_Mouri_Tsubakie-Name-6148-attached-1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1965/2023-09-08/09-53-05_Mouri_Tsubakie-Name-6148-attached-2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1965/2023-09-08/09-53-06_Mouri_Tsubakie-Name-6148-attached-3.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1965/2023-09-08/09-53-06_Mouri_Tsubakie-Name-6148-EXTRA.jpg


13: Nadbroicc inigena Druisten - New Name Change (NP)

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in April of 2022, via the West as Ommadan ingen Ruaidrí Uí Gallchobair.

Old Item: Ommadan ingen Ruaidri Ui Gallchobair, to be retained as an alternate name.
Client requests authenticity for Early period Pictish.

Previously registered Ommadan ingen Ruaidri Ui Gallchobair is to be retained as an alternate.

The submitter cares about the language and/or culture (early period Pictish), has no gender preference, and requests Authentiticy for language and/or culture (earlier period Pictish).

Nadbroicc: is found as a Pictish female given name at "Eithni's Keep" (https://eithni.com/pictish-names/) In the linked Excel file, Eithni says it is found in the Book of Lecan. She is the Mother of Niall ma Trichim of Ulaid (Ulster). Reported to be from the "family of Inge of the Picts" Eithni indicates that there is an Excellent likelihood that this is a Pictish women's name.

inigena is the patronymic marker in Oghamic inscriptions, contemporary to early Pictish.

Druisten is found in "A Consideration of Pictish Names" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn copyright 1996 Heather Rose Jones. s.n. "Drust/an". The full citation is "Druisten II.B.4. IrHB, patronym, historic kings" (https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/pictnames/pict5.html#section5)

Submitter is aware that 'inigena' is the oghamic 'daughter of' construction, rather than the Latin 'filia'. Submitter would strongly prefer the non-Latin patronymic marker. If the College of Arms can find a Pictish female patronymic marker, submitter would prefer that.

The Pictish name formation <given + byname> is found in SENA Appendix A.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1965/2023-09-08/10-17-21_naidbroicc_namedoc_01.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1965/2023-09-08/10-17-21_naidbroicc_namedoc_02.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1965/2023-09-08/10-17-21_naidbroicc_namedoc_03.jpg


14: Thoris Forrester - New Name (NP)

The submitter marked no boxes.

Thoris: Thoris Crick, Family Search, 28 Oct 1598, Marks Tey,Essex,England, batch M04240-1

Forrester: Richarde Forrester, 05 Oct 1575, LANCING,SUSSEX,ENGLAND, Family Search batch C07071-1

The English name formation <given + byname> is found in SENA Appendix A.

Correction to Name (2023-Oct-13 10:10:29): This submission is withdrawn.

Apologies, it's inclusion in this Letter was an administrative error on my part, Edith Matins


Standard disclaimer: This letter accurately reflects the contents of the various submission forms and accompanying documents, including consent to changes, expressed preferences, requests for authenticity, and formation of holding names. Any and all assistance will be gratefully accepted.

Respectfully submitted,

Dame Edith of Swanesdale, Matins Pursuivant

West Kingdom College of Heralds

[email protected] / [email protected]


OSCAR counts 9 New Names, 1 New Name Change, 7 New Devices, 1 New Badge Change and 1 New Augmentation of Arms. These 19 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $76 for them. There are a total of 19 items submitted on this letter.

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