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Laurel LoPaD dated 2023-09-18

To all the College of Arms and all others who may read this missive, from Emma Laurel, Elisabetta Pelican, and Iago Wreath, greetings.

This letter contains the issues raised in the July 2023 LoAR for CoA discussion. The text in this letter is copied verbatim from that LoAR; it is provided here for convenience. As with a September 2023 LoI, these matters are currently scheduled for the Pelican and Wreath meetings in December 2023. Original commentary, responses, and rebuttals to commentary must be entered into OSCAR no later than Thursday, November 30, 2023.

1: Blackstone Mountain, Barony of - New Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 1993, via the East.

Order of the Golden Apple of Blackstone Mountain

Meaning (yellow apple) most important.

This order name is pended to discuss whether or not the real-world order Order of the Golden Apple should continue to be protected. Submitted as Order of the Golden Apple of Blackstone Mountain, Kingdom changed this name to Order of the Gold Apple of Blackstone Mountain to avoid presumption with the Order of the Golden Apple, protected in August 1987 (under Bourbon). SENA NPN4B2 notes in the example: "We would not register Order of the Ermine of the West because this name appears to reference a regional offshoot of a protected historical knigh tly order, the Order of the Ermine, which was founded by a fourteenth-century Duke of Brittany." This order was founded in 1394 as Ordre de la Pomme d'Or, which is how it was known during our period, and we protected this form in 2008.

We specifically are seeking data that shows whether Ordre de la Pomme d'Or was known by the name Order of the Golden Apple or, lacking this data, arguments why we should continue to protect the English name of this order. In addition, we seek commentary on whether or not we should continue to protect this order at all.

This was item 3 on the AEthelmearc letter of April 20, 2023.

(https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?...)


2: Ellisif Ulfsdottir - New Name Change From Holding Name (NP)

OSCAR NOTE: 'Old Item' should contain the former primary name. The form that is there is not a registered name.

Old Item: Ellie of Atenveldt, to be released.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language/Culture (Norwegian, with the Viking expansion to the East) most important.

This name is pended for further information. The submitter requested authenticity for "Viking expansion era". This request was not summarized on the Letter of Intent. While this request was identified by Lilie Ragged Staff in a timely fashion, there was not enough information in the commentary to determine whether or not this name is authentic. "Norwegian, with the Viking expansion to the East" in the submitter's original language/culture request refers to the Old West Norse language at the founding of the Kyivan Rus' state, which is the late 9th century; this state existed through the mid-13th century. We are specifically seeking commentary as to whether this name meets that request.

The submitter's device is registered under the holding name Ellie of Atenveldt.

This was item 2 on the Atenveldt letter of April 30, 2023.

(https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?...)


3: Hartshorn-dale, Barony of - New Order Name

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Company of the Azure Hart

This order name is pended to await the outcome of the group advancement.

This was item 4 on the East letter of April 30, 2023.

(https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?...)


4: Hartshorn-dale, Barony of - New Order Name

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Order of the Heartsease

This submission is to be associated with Order of the Heartsease

This order name is pended to await the outcome of the group advancement.

This was item 5 on the East letter of April 30, 2023.

(https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?...)


5: Hartshorn-dale, Barony of - New Order Name

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Society of the Golden Attire

This order name is pended to await the outcome of the group advancement.

This was item 6 on the East letter of April 30, 2023.

(https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?...)


6: Hartshorn-dale, Barony of - New Badge Association

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(Fieldless) A hart salient contourny azure

This submission is to be associated with Company of the Azure Hart

This badge association is pended to await the outcome of the order name submission.

This was item 7 on the East letter of April 30, 2023.

(https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?...)

Silver Staple note: OSCAR considers badge associations to be administrative actions, not armory, thus this is not a paired item.


7: Hartshorn-dale, Barony of - New Badge Association

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(Fieldless) A heartsease azure seeded within and conjoined to a mascle Or

This badge association is pended to await the outcome of the order name submission.

This was item 8 on the East letter of April 30, 2023.

(https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?...)

Silver Staple note: OSCAR considers badge associations to be administrative actions, not armory, thus this is not a paired item.


8: Ragnvaldr Blóðmǫrr - New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Trimaris LoI of April 23, 2023 as submitted.

Vert, on a pale invected between two boars combattant argent a knife sable

This device is pended to allow commentary on the correct artwork. The emblazon that appeared in the LoI is not on the correct shield shape, and no replacement was made, as required by the Administrative Handbook:

If an emblazon image is completely incorrect, it may be replaced within seven days of the publication of the Letter of Intent with a correction noting the replacement. After seven days or if the correction is a redraw of the original emblazon, the associated armorial item should be withdrawn using a correction to the original item and then resubmitted on a new Letter of Intent.

Submission heralds are reminded that emblazons in OSCAR must match the emblazons on forms.

This was item 6 on the Trimaris letter of April 23, 2023.

(https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?...)


9: Saulo Lastra - New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of April 25, 2023 as submitted.

Per chevron rayonny vert and gules, a Paschal lamb reguardant argent his banner charged with a chi-rho vert between three crosses formy argent

This device is pended to discuss potential conflict of the armory on the maintained flag with the badge of Hilary of Serendip, (Tinctureless) The letter S with the upper arm reflexed into the foreparts of a salamander, and the badge of Hal Ravn, (Tinctureless) The letters M and X, the latter with a bar above it (Roman numerals for nine thousand).

Versus Hilary, is the addition of the salamander parts enough so that the charge is not an abstract one?

Versus Hal, should there be difference granted in number between a single symbol and two symbols, or are multiple symbols together a single charge?

This was item 2 on the Outlands letter of April 25, 2023.

(https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?...)


Pray know that I remain,

In service,

Emma de Fetherstan
Laurel Queen of Arms


OSCAR counts 1 Name Change, 4 Order Names, 2 Devices and 2 Badge Associations. There are a total of 9 items submitted on this letter.

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