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Ansteorra ILoI dated 2023-08-10

Greetings to the Heralds of the Known World, from Sigrun S. í Biarká, Asterisk Herald for the Kingdom of Ansteorra. Please find the following submitted for your valued consideration and commentary.

1: Amalia af Ribe -New Name (NP)

Submitter desires a feminine name.
The following changes are allowed: Spelling/variation on Amalia af Ribe
Client requests authenticity for 15th-16th century Danish.
Sound (Ammalia, Amalia, Amalea, etc all acceptable.) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Northkeep

Amalia found in: Family Search - "Denmark Marriages, 1635-1916", database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FKHX-2J6 : 20 February 2020), Anna Amalia S in entry for Sever Ibsen, 1647. Document Information Digital Folder Number 7471653 Microfilm Number 50915 Originating System ODM Indexing Batch M20490-1

"af Ribe" Locative per appendix A. Encyclopedia brittanica https://www.britannica.com/place/Ribe-Denmark states that it was established in the 8th century

Name Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-10 16:38:17
I suspect <i> or <aff> would be better for a late placename. I found these:

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-16 16:59:30
We need to push the given name back about 100 years to meet the authenticity request given Orle's 1529 attestation of aff Ribe. Of course, that assumes something dated from Diplomatarium Norvegicum is also authentic for Denmark. I think in writing it probably is (especially in this period) but not in pronunciation from what I've read.

Unfortunately, I don't find Amalia in Diplomatarium Norvegicum. Nor do I find it at FamilySearch or Ancestry in the 16th C. It looks like the name didn't arrive in Scandinavia until the 17th C; I'm finding it earlier in German.

Is the submitter more interested in an authentic name or in this name?

No conflicts found.

ffride wlffsdotter (Morelle) at 2023-08-31 04:20:24
According to the the Great Danish Encyclopedia (online here: https://denstoredanske.lex.dk/Amalie) Amalie is "kendes i Danmark fra 1600-t." [known in Denmark from the 1600s], which may explain the issue we're running into.

Copenhagen University's Institute for Nordic Studies and Linguistics notes that the name is a later-period introduction from Germany (https://navn.ku.dk/personnavne/fornavne/forna...):
"De tyske varianter kommer til.
Fornyelsen kommer sydfra, fra Tyskland. Allerede i højmiddelalderen var der startet en massiv tysk indvandring, især af adelsfolk og håndværkere fra Holsten og Mecklenburg. Og de tog deres navne med....
De danske konger giftede sig næsten udelukkende ind i tyske fyrsteslægter. Det medførte fornyet tysk indflydelse og navne som Dietrich, Hermann, Ludwig, Wilhelm, Amalie, Gertrud etc....
Kvinder afledt af mænd
Det eneste af Christian IVs børn i andet ægteskab der kun fik ét navn, var datteren Christiane, og hermed introducerede han endnu en navneskik, der skulle blive lige så dominerende som dobbeltnavnene: kvindenavne afledt af mandsnavne. Hans søn Frederik III kaldte sine tre døtre Frederikke Amalie, Ulrikke Eleonora og Vilhelmine Ernestine. Adelen fulgte hurtigt efter, dernæst borgerstanden og til sidst bønderne."
["The German variants are coming.
Renewal comes from the south, from Germany. Already in the High Middle Ages a massive migration of Germans had begun, especially of the nobility and craftsmen from Holstein and Mecklenburg. And they took their names with them....
The Danish kings almost exclusively married into German princely families. This led to renewed German influence and names such as Dietrich, Hermann, Ludwig, Wilhelm, Amalie, Gertrud etc.....
Women derived from men
The only one of Christian IV's children from his second marriage [he married Kirsten Munk in 1615] who was given only one name was his daughter Christiane, and with this he introduced another naming custom that was to become as influentual as double names: female names derived from male names. His son Frederik III named his three daughters Frederikke Amalie [note: Princess Frederica Amalia of Denmark was born in 1649], Ulrikke Eleonora and Vilhelmine Ernestine. The nobility quickly followed, then the bourgeoisie and finally the peasants."]

The only thing I can find is a Middle Low German-language document in Diplomatarium Danicum, relating to the prioress of Sankt Johannis convent on Holm/Holmen.
One of the people mentioned in the document is called "Amale Storm" in 1402
https://diplomatarium.dk/dokument/14020121002

Would "Amale aff Ribe" be acceptable to the submitter?

Sigrun Sveinungsdóttir í Biarká (Asterisk) at 2023-09-05 16:45:55
From the consulting herald and client on name questions;

I don't have Oscar commenting permissions yet, regarding the question on Amalia's submission if she would prefer that name specifically, or would rather have something more accurate to 15th century scandinavia. I talked to the client, and she said she isn't too picky on the spelling, but would prefer a name that sounds like Amalia, even if it is not a Scandinavian name. She is ok documenting it as a German name or as a 16th century Scandinavian name. Thanks, Sable Pursuivant, Misier Vitalis d'Mare


2: Anne Wyatt -New Name (NP)

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Amon Attwood(12/2014), Anna O'Dea (11/2015), Anne De Witte (2/1987), Anne Mathiu (1/1995)

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language/Culture (No examples given) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Bryn Glwad

Anne, documented as a common English name such as in the following SCA documents Feminine Given Names Found in the 1523 Subsidy Roll for York and Ainsty, England (sorted Alphabetically) English Given Names from 16th and Early 17th C Marriage Records: Anne

Wyatt - Wyatt is found in Monumental Brass Enscriptions by - Surnames I - Z dated to 1545 https://heraldry.sca.org/names/brasses/lastnameIZ.htm

Also FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:63T5-N5MM : 18 December 2020), William Wyatt, ; Burial, London, City of London, Greater London, England, St Michael Bassishaw Crooked Lane; citing record ID 218935510, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.

Name Thomas Wyatt Death Date 01 Jul 1624 Birth Date 04 Mar 1603 Event Type Burial Event Place Billingsgate, City of London, Greater London, England

Cemetery St. Mary-at-Hill Churchyard

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-08-12 16:58:07
Links for the two articles cited for the given name Anne:

https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/paris... - English Given Names from 16th and Early 17th C Marriage Records: Anne, by Sara L. Uckelman

https://heraldry.sca.org/names/york16/given-fem-alp... - Feminine Given Names Found in the 1523 Subsidy Roll for York and Ainsty, England (sorted Alphabetically), by Karen Larsdatter

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-16 17:05:39
The first FamilySearch citation for Wyatt is not usable as it cites FindAGrave. The second citation is also not usable as it includes neither an image or valid batch number. However, these citations are not necessary.

You need to cite the title and author of source, unless you are citing an AH Appendix H short form. Ragged Staff already provided that information for the given name. For Wyatt, the source is "Brass Enscription Index" by Julian Goodwyn.

No conflicts found.


3: Elina Ulfsdottir -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2021, via Ansteorra.

Vert, a bend sinister sable fimbriated, overall a wolf's head erased to sinister argent.

Returned on LOAR 5-2023 http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2023/05/23-05lar.html

(Device change. Vert, a bend sinister sable fimbriated, overall a wolf's head erased contourny argent.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Aalina Godwyn de Coteswaud, Vert, a bend sinister sable fimbriated and overall a stag trippant argent. There is only a single DC for the type of overall charge.

There is a step from core practice for the use of an overall charge surmounting a fimbriated ordinary.)

obtained permission letter to conflict

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/images/cImages/3445/2023-08-08/11-03-39_Elina_Ulfs_PTC_redacted.jpg

Device Comments:

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-16 17:11:33
This is a resub device change. Her currently registered device is Argent, a pine tree couped and on a chief vert three mullets argent. According to the Feb. 2023 LoI it was to be released. Is that still the case?

On the May 2023 LoAR Wreath changed the blazon to

    Vert, a bend sinister sable fimbriated, overall a wolf's head erased contourny argent
I'd use that blazon.

No conflicts other than Aalina found.


4: Elizabeth Fraser -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2020, via Ansteorra.

per saltire argent and vert, a maple leaf and a bow with an arrow nocked to sinister gules

This submission is to be associated with Daniel O'Sullivan of Beare

Submitted through the Barony of Bryn Gwlad

Correction to Badge (2023-Aug-22 10:08:05): Elizabeth Fraser and Daniel O'Sullivan of Beare, New badge, jointly owned

Badge Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-12 18:03:04
The leaf should be centered in its space.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-16 17:33:26
Daniel O'Sullivan of Beare is not registered as an alternate name. If Daniel and Elizabeth are the same person, one of the names should be identified as an alternate name and a correction made so that they are correctly listed in the O&A. If they are not the same person, this needs to be listed under Daniel O'Sullivan of Beare. If this is intended to be a joint badge, it should be listed under Elizabeth Fraser and Daniel O'Sullivan of Beare (OSCAR is smart enough to recognize that the "and" means that there are two people).

A bow with arrow nocked takes its orientation from the bow; the orientation of the arrow is not blazon. A bow defaults with its string to sinister, so this on is reversed. Capitalizing the initial word of the blazon and adjusting the terminology for the bow and arrow gives:

    Per saltire argent and vert, a maple leaf and a bow with an arrow nocked reversed gules
No conflicts found.

Sigrun Sveinungsdóttir í Biarká (Asterisk) at 2023-08-22 10:35:11
Thank you, corrections will be made , they are two people , both names registered, joint badge


5: Fiachu Ó Amargein -New Name (NP)

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Submitted through Gulf Wars 2023

Fiachu> Found in "100 Most Popular Men's Names in Early Medieval Ireland" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn, https://heraldry.sca.org/names/irish100.html

Ó Amargein> <Amargein> https://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/...

Ó> Early period byname construction. http://heraldry.sca.org/names/resources/irishgaeli...

Name Comments:

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-16 17:43:28
Unless you are using a short form citation from AH Appendix H, you need to cite the title and author of the source. For Amargein that is "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan. For the construction that is actually the Feb. 2011 CL at https://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2011/02/11-02cl.html.

As noted in that CL, "The first kind of family names were clan affiliation bynames, which for men take the form Ó followed by the name of clan founder in the genitive (possessive) case". Mari's article shows that Amargein is the nominative form of the name; she doesn't list a genitive form. Precedent states "The question was raised in commentary as to what the genitive form of Amargein is. In fact, the genitive form for Amargein is Amargein." [Caìrech nic Amargein, 02/1999, A-Meridies]. That means that the name is correctly formed.

No conflicts found.


6: Florie Porterfleuer -New Name (NP)

Submitted through the Barony of Namron

Florie - 11th Century Scottish - https://heraldry.sca.org/names/scott12.html

Porterfluer - 13th Century English - https://heraldry.sca.org/names/misplacednamesbyname...

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-08-12 17:10:33
Better written up:

Florie is a feminine Scottish given name dated to 1190 and found in 12th Century Scottish Women's Names, by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn https://heraldry.sca.org/names/scott12.html

Portefleur is an English byname dated to 1202 in Reaney & Wilson, sn Portjoy, with the citation of Thomas Portefleur.

Per SENA Appendix C, Scots and English can be combined.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-16 17:51:30
While I am always pleased when people find my article useful, Ragged Staff is correct that is better to cite the source (R&W) -- I could always have a typo in the data entry. However, if you do cite R&W rather than my article, make sure that you actually check it not just use the citation I provide. If you cite my article instead of R&W, you need to correct the url -- it should be https://heraldry.sca.org/names/misplacednames.htm (.htm not .html).

Note that the submitted name is NOT the spelling in my article or in R&W. The spelling is Portefleur not Porte_r_fleu_e_r. I was unable to find the submitted spelling.

The byname means "carry a flower".

No conflicts found.


7: Graywood, Shire of -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 1979, via Ansteorra.

(Fieldless) On a compass star vert, a pine tree argent

Submitted through the Shire of Graywood

While not strictly required for badges, this armory was voted on by the populace during the July 30th populace meeting where it was unanimously approved by all members in attendance!

Badge Comments:

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-16 17:55:25
There is a step from core practice for the use of a compass star.

No conflicts found.


8: Kali Hróbartsson -New Name (NP)

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language/Culture (No examples given) most important.

Submitted through the Canton of Glaslyn

The name is Old Norse. Kali and Hróbjartr are both male given names found in "The Viking Answer Lady: Old Norse Men's Names," www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml.

"A Simple Guide to Creating Old Norse Names,"by Aryanhwy merch Catmael, http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/sg-viki... shows that a name ending in -r > -s, so Hróbjartr >>Hróbjartsson.

Name Comments:

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-16 18:01:07
There is a typo (presumably) in the submitted name; it should be Hróbjartsson (the j has been dropped).

The url for Ary's article has been truncated. It is https://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/sg-viki...#.... It may be easier to simply state "The patronymic is formed in accordance with the examples shown on p. 17 of Geirr Bassi."

No conflicts found.


9: Kobayashi Hotaru -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2022, via Ansteorra.

Purpure, the old kanji for "hotaru" and two barrulets in chief Or

Previously submitted Ansteorra - 2021-10-11

https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?...

as "Purpure, the old kanji for "hotaru" Or, a chief per fess purpure and Or"

Returned at Kingdom 11-14-2021 for conflict with Konstantinos of Rath an Oir: The following device associated with this name was registered in September of 2007 (via An Tir): "Purpure, a chi-rho and a chief Or."

Multiple DC for number, type and arrangement of ordinary clears previous conflict. No other conflicts found for resubmitted device.

Device Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-10 16:39:52
Needs documentation for the kanji, showing it's in a period hand.

Elionora inghean Uí Cheallaigh at 2023-08-21 17:53:59
Documentation for the hand was previously submitted, dated to 1617, see attached screenshot. My apologies in failing to include it with this submission.

1: Image 1

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-16 18:11:06
I think this still conflicts with Konstantinos. In Nov. 2018 Amye Goldwyn's device was reblazoned (at their request) from Per pale purpure and Or, two dragons sejant respectant and in chief two bars wavy all counterchanged to Per pale purpure and Or, two dragons sejant respectant and a chief wavy barry wavy all counterchanged. At the time Wreath commented, "As the requested blazon is a reasonable description of the armory, the request is granted." That means that this can also legitimately be blazoned as a chief barry purpure and Or, in which case there is only a single DC for changing the tincture of the chief.

1: Image 1

Elionora inghean Uí Cheallaigh at 2023-09-06 19:18:23
If the bar gemel was lowered slightly in the art (bigger purple band at the top), do we think that would make it clearly not a chief? I'm working on PtC just in case but haven't heard back from the guy yet.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-09-10 10:08:20
Wait, it's not just color, it's straight line vs. wavy line, and one primary charge vs. two.

Iago ab Adam (Wreath) at 2023-09-10 10:16:25
The conflict being considered is Konstantinos of Rath an Oir, Purpure, a chi-rho and a chief Or. The image Palimpsest shared is illustrating a ruling that two bars in chief is considered equivalent to a chief barry.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-09-10 13:53:13
Ah! yes, I'd seek PtC on that!


10: Sæbjørn Ødegaard -New Name Change (NP) & New Device

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in March of 2022, via Ansteorra.

Per pall Or purpure and sable, a star of Ansteorra above two bears rampant respectant, each maintaining a dane axe argent

Old Item: Giovanni Antonio di Napoli, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language/Culture (swedish/norse culture) most important.
Meaning (Given name translates as "sea-bear") most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Bryn Gwlad

Sæbjørn - https://www.dokpro.uio.no/cgi-bin/middelalder/diplom...?... also noted in this article for runic inscriptions of norse men who went eastwards: https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/gunnvor/varangian/

Ødegaard - documented in Segerstad, Sweden https://www.dokpro.uio.no/cgi-bin/middelalder/diplom...?... Diplomatarium Norvegicum (volumes I-XXIII) b.16 s.339 Sammendrag: Arvid Sjurdssøn i Lilleby gjør vitterligt, at han har solgt til velbyrdig Mand Nils Posse sin Gaard Lilleby med en tilliggende Ødegaard Graarød i Borge Sogn i Aamord Skibrede for 80 norske Mark, som han har oppe-baaret.

Name Comments:

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-10 17:34:49
An <øyðigarðr> is a deserted farm, from <eyði>, "waste, desert", and <garðr> "garth, yard, house, village". I'm not really sure this would be found in a locative byname, since if the farm is abandoned nobody lives there. A lot of late charters in Scandinavia describe these abandoned places, but it's usually listed as <en øde gaard i placename> "one abandoned farm at placename" or in Latin curia desolata. About half of all farms were abandoned in the late Middle Ages, I guess due to plague etc. (https://www.norskstadnamnleksikon.no/Art3.aspx)

Oluf Rygh's Norwegian Placenames has a number of Norwegian farms with his name (https://tinyurl.com/OdegaardPlacenames), though most are quite late. A handful of the ones that show up before 1650 include:

  • Headword: Ødegaarden
    • 1603 Ødegaarden
    • 1606 Ødegardt
    • 1616 Ødegaard

  • Headword: Ødegaarden
    • 1603 Ødegaard

  • Headword: Ødegaarden
    • 1603 Ekernes Ødegaard

  • Headword: Ødegaarden (2 farms)
    • 1610 Ødegaardt
A Viking Age form would be <í Eyðigarði> (https://snl.no/%C3%B8deg%C3%A5rd has the Old Norse form), because we need the preposition and the placename has to be in the dative case.

A late period version might look like 1442 <j Ødegaarde> (https://www.dokpro.uio.no/cgi-bin/middelalder/diplom...?...) or c.1480-90 <j ødegaard> (https://www.dokpro.uio.no/cgi-bin/middelalder/diplom...?...).

Sigrun Sveinungsdóttir í Biarká (Asterisk) at 2023-08-22 10:55:11
I discussed this with the client, and he is perfectLy happy going with Sæbjôrn í Eyðigarði he and I thank you for knowing all the things to make us better vikings in name and information.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-16 19:05:25
The first source cited is Diplomatarium Norvegicum. Sæbjørn is in the summary, which is (I believe) modern Norwegian with standardized names. The name in the charter is Sebiørn.

The second source cited is "Names of Scandinavians in the Byzantine Varangian Guard and in Russia" by Gunnvôr silfrahárr. It lists Sæbjôrn, not Sæbjørn, as the normalized Old West Norse form. I don't know if ô is being used to represent ǫ, though I suspect that it is. Gunnvǫr would be able to confirm this. The normalized form should be registerable as it is a "standard scholarly way of presenting Old Norse names".

The third source cited is also Diplomatarium Norvegicum. You need to provide a translation, not simply copy the text. Google translate works, even if the translation isn't perfect. What is listed here is the summary of the charter. The spellings don't necessarily match the spellings actually found in the charter. Google translate doesn't recognize Ødegaard, but a deserted farm makes sense in context: "Arvid Sjurdssøn in Lilleby states that he has sold to a well-to-do man Nils Posse his farm Lilleby with an adjoining Ødegaard Graarød in Borge Parish in Aamord Skibrede for 80 Norwegian marks, which he has raised." The spelling in the charter is ødegardh, not Ødegaard.

No conflicts found with the submitted name or any of the alternates Orle suggests.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-22 11:18:10
Yes, in some articles I used o-caret because I was having trouble getting the page to display o-ogonek. When that's the case, it should be noted somewhere at the top of the article.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-09-10 10:15:35
<Sæbjǫrn> is from the runic inscription U439, from Uppland, Sweden. Rundata has the dating c. 1010-1050. The runes have sabi, which is normalized to <Sæbiorn> or <Sæbjǫrn>/

Device Comments:

Sigrun Sveinungsdóttir í Biarká (Asterisk) at 2023-08-10 09:30:30
Conflict clear by my search

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-16 18:21:25
The submitter already has a device registered, Quarterly gules and Or, a mermaid dexter arm raised argent between three mullets of eight points counterchanged Or and sable. Do they wish to retain or release this?

Three charges on a per pall field will default to one charge in each section. Reblazon recommendation:

    Per pall Or, purpure and sable, a star of Ansteorra and two bears rampant respectant each maintaining a Danish axe argent
You could also use combatant rather than rampant respectant.

The LoI should note that the submitter requested the use of the term star of Ansteorra (assuming that they did) as named motifs are only used when specifically requested.

No conflicts found.


11: Vitalis Gabrielle Venier della Mare -New Name (NP)

Submitter desires a gender-neutral name.
The following changes are allowed: Spelling changes. Some changes to construction. see below in submission notes.
Meaning ("Of the sea") most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Northkeep

Form of name from appendix "A" section on italian names. Per table Double given names are acceptable. Per table, form of given+pat+locative acceptable.

Vitalis> given name. From: https://dmnes.org/cite/Vitalis/1527/Rome1527

Gabrielle> Given name. From: https://dmnes.org/cite/Gabrielle/1376/DouGen1

Venier> Patronymic. From: https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/venic...#...

Mare> a 14th century surname from Venice. Presumed to be generic locative "Of the sea" https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/venic...#...

I would like to add the construction "della", as per appendix A section Italian, Notes: "Generic toponymics take the form della/dalla/dello/dallo Y"

Full name is thus: Vitalis Gabrielle Venier della Mare

If full form of name is not acceptable, I would first allow a simpler single given+pat+locative, dropping Venier and using di Gabrielle as the patronymic, per appendix A. If di Gabrielle is not the correct patronymic, OK to correct.

Vitalis di Gabrielle della Mare

If that construction is also not acceptable, I would allow second the constriction given+locative. Any changes to locative construction are fine, but "della" is preferred. I.e. da Mare, di Mare, or Mare unmarked are all fine.

Vitalis della Mare

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-08-12 17:35:35
Slightly better written up:

Vitalis is a given Italian name dated to 1527 and found in the DMNES - https://dmnes.org/cite/Vitalis/1527/Rome1527

Gabrielle is a given Italian name dated to 1376 and found in the DMNES - https://dmnes.org/cite/Gabrielle/1376/DouGen1

Venier is an Italian patronymic dated to the 14th century and found in Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names, Table of Surnames, by Arval Benicoeur https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/venic...#...

della Mare is a locative Italian byname dated to the 14th century. The construction using the marker della is per SENA Appendix A on Italian in notes. It is found in Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names, Table of Surnames, by Arval Benicoeur https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/venic...#...

Docs check, construction checks for later period Italian. No conflicts noted.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-16 19:29:39
Vitalis is not Italian. It is Latin found in Italy. The problem is that it is the genitive form of the name in the citation you provide. None of the examples under Italy have a nominative form of the name; however, it is shown to also be the nominative form under all of the other countries (England, France, and Spain), so it should be fine. It should be noted that it is a masculine given name.

Gabrielle is not Italian. It is Latin found in Italy. The problem is that it is the ablative form of the name in the citation you provide. The nominative forms are Gabriellus (1367) and Gabriel (1464, 1485, and 1527). It is also a masculine name.

So Vitalis Gabriel Venier della Mare should work. No conflicts found for this or either of the alternates allowed by the submitter.

Juetta Copin at 2023-09-07 12:53:37
Gabriele is also found in Italian (per DMNES).


12: Wolfgang Werner -New Name (NP) & New Device

Argent a padlock and key with bow linked sable and base sable masoned argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
The following changes are allowed: Will accept vowel changes
Client requests authenticity for 14th century Germany.
Sound (No examples given) most important.
Language/Culture (German) most important.

Submitted through the Barony of Northkeep

Wolfgang > FirstName:https://dmnes.org/name/Wolfgang

Werner > Surname:https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/germmasc/plaue...

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Ragged Staff) at 2023-08-12 17:47:19
Better written up, with notations and citations.

Wolfgang is a Germanic given name dated to 1429 in the DMNES. It is found in its genitive Wolfgangs at this date - https://dmnes.org/cite/Wolfgangs/1429/mairhofer

Werner is a Germanic given name being used as an unmarked patronymic per SENA Appendix A for German names constructions. It is found in Late Period German Masculine Given Names: Names from 14th Century Plauen, by Talan Gwynek and dated to between 1350 and 1400. https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/germmasc/plaue...

Docs check, construction checks for German, no conflicts noted.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-16 19:35:34
DMNES shows the Early New High German nominative form is shown as Wolfgang in 1497, https://dmnes.org/name/Wolfgang.

Werner is actually dated 1351-1400.

Clear of Wulf Werner by the addition of -gang. No conflicts found.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2023-08-12 19:15:46
Argent a padlock bendwise sinister, the shackle enfiling the bow of a key inverted contouny bendwise sable, a base sable masoned argent

Device Comments:

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Palimpsest) at 2023-08-16 19:44:50
I think the key is a maintained charge - it certainly doesn't have the visual weight of the lock.

The orientation of the lock needs to be blazoned, though that of the key need not be (per SENA Appendix I5). The base is embattled, which needs to be blazoned.

I'm not certain of the best way to blazon this. Perhaps:

    Argent, a padlock bendwise sinister dependent from the shackle a key sable, a base embattled sable masoned argent.
No conflicts found.


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