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Trimaris ILoI dated 2019-10-31

Greetings to the College of Heralds

Please bend your eyes to these humble offerings that our populace may know joy at the registration of their names and armory.

1: Andrew MacAlister of Castlemere -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2018, via Trimaris.

Sable, on a triangle argent, a goutte azure.

Per the November 2018 LoAR:

This device must be returned for redraw. The depiction of the goutte does not meet our requirements for gouttes as set out on the March 2013 Cover Letter: "Teardrop shaped gouttes are registerable as long as they are elongated, more than twice as long as they are wide."

This resubmission rectifies that by elongating the goutte.

Device Comments:

Shannon inghean Bhriain uí Dhuilleaín at 2019-11-14 01:47:07
This does indeed rectify the cause for return. I find no conflicts. Could also be blazoned Sable, on a triangle argent a goutte de larmes.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-11-19 14:32:56
Agree that these gouttes are OK. Shannon's blazon is closer to our standard usage.

Isabel Margarita de Sotomayor y Perez de Gerena at 2019-11-22 12:06:39
looks good


2: Arabella Kelley -New Name & New Device

Please consider the following possible conflicts identified by OSCAR (many will not be conflicts): Arii viligisl(3/2004)

Azure, two swords in saltire between two cinquefoils in fess argent.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

Arabella - A female given name found in Withycomb pg 29 (SN Arabel(la)), cites Arabella, wife of Jahn de Mantpyncan in 1255.

Kelley - Surname found in "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," from FamilySearch. Located at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLN5-P89

Name Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-11-14 12:13:09
[Misplaced Device comment. Apologies.]

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Pantheon) at 2019-11-17 10:22:08
Writing up the byname better:

<Kelley> is an English byname found in the Family Search records as John Kelley, christened 24 Jan 1590, St. Giles, Cripplegate, London, England. Batch # C02243-2.

Docs check, construction given + byname checks for English. No conflicts noted.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-11-19 14:33:23
Surname doc checks out.

Isabel Margarita de Sotomayor y Perez de Gerena at 2019-11-22 12:10:42
no conflicts

Device Comments:

Shannon inghean Bhriain uí Dhuilleaín at 2019-11-14 01:53:52
I'm having some difficulty determining whether this is intended as all charges co-primary, or the swords primary with the cinquefoils secondary. If the latter, the swords may need to be larger?

Shannon inghean Bhriain uí Dhuilleaín at 2019-11-14 02:01:51
Assuming the swords are primary and the cinquefoils secondary, I find no conflicts.

Iago ab Adam at 2019-11-14 01:54:29
The swords are inverted. As drawn, the swords and flowers are co-primary, which should be reflected in the blazon.

Azure, in fess two swords inverted in saltire between two cinquefoils argent.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-11-14 12:14:21
The quillons here are so modest that I'm seeing these as artist's brushes. I would not send up as emblazoned.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-11-14 12:16:34
Could submitter be counseled that the arrangement is very odd for a shield? Or does submitter intend to display on a lozenge, and this kingdom not have that choice for submitting devices?

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-11-19 14:34:09
Agree with Iago's blazon, but agree that it's questionable as to whether the sword and cinquefoils are coprimary.

Isabel Margarita de Sotomayor y Perez de Gerena at 2019-11-22 12:13:38
i'm having the same issue. The swords look like brushes or pencils to me.

Kryss Kostarev at 2019-11-25 11:45:42
I agree that this device will not work with the charges as co-primaries because the swords become too small to be recognized. Here is an emblazon with the swords as the primary charges and the cinquefoils as secondaries. If this works, then someone will need to see if the submitter approves.

1: Image 1 2: Image 2

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-11-25 15:26:52
Still don't look like swords. Problem is that the identifying quillons are essentially all black against blue.

Modar Neznanich (Red Hawk) at 2019-11-26 13:03:32
Would this style of sword be acceptable?

1: Image 1 2: Image 2

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-11-26 15:59:44
Can someone ask the submitter?


3: Cesare de Barberi -New Name & New Device

Gules, two lions rampant addorsed and in saltire two keys Or.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for Turn of the 16th century Italian.

Cesare - Masculine given name listed in "Names in 15th Century Florence and her Dominions: the Condado" by Juliana de Luna. No-photocopy source, found at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/condado/mensalpha.html

de Barberi - Surname dated to a baptism in 1601 from "Italy, Trento, Diocesi di Trento, Catholic Church Records, 1548-1937," Family Search. Found at https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XVRN-5JP

Submitted as Cesare Labarbera, no documentation could be found to support the byname, so it was switched upon consulting the submitter.

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Pantheon) at 2019-11-17 10:28:31
The byname record from Family Search isn't usable. There is no batch number and no image to verify.

However, I find the name as de'Barberi in a Google Book search, Compendio di tutte le gride, bandi, et ordini, fatti. Published (grey period) 1623. https://books.google.com/books?id=fxqlnuzAgmgC&pg=RA4-PA4&dq=de+Barberi+%22de+Barberi%22&hl=en&ppis= _c&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj-lbKO1PHlAhUFTd8KHXoiCdEQ6AEwA3oECAMQAg#v=onepage&q=de%20Barberi%20%22de%20Barb eri%22&f=false

The name might have to be delli Barberi, given the mark after <de> in the name.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-11-19 14:34:40
Docs check out.

Isabel Margarita de Sotomayor y Perez de Gerena at 2019-11-22 12:15:42
no conflicts, docs are good to go

Device Comments:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2019-11-14 12:19:21
Would the following be better?

Gules, two lions rampant addorsed and two keys in saltire Or.

It strikes me as better treating the keys as a unit in the two-and-one arrangement, but I cannot articulate why. (And would appreciate someone doing so, if that is indeed the case.)

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-11-19 14:35:02
No conflicts found.


4: Kevenard ap Llywarch -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2015, via Trimaris.

[Fieldless] Three spiked maces in pall conjoined at the hilt gules.

Badge Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2019-11-14 01:57:40
There are multiple hilts here.

(Fieldless) Three spiked maces in pall conjoined at the hilts gules.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-11-19 14:35:23
No conflicts found.


5: Margery of Canterbury -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2018, via Trimaris.

Per bend sinister vert and Or, a bend sinister engrailed argent between in bend a cinquefoil and an increscent counterchanged.

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2019-11-14 01:59:37
The cinquefoil is 'pierced'. 'In bend' isn't necessary.

Per bend sinister vert and Or, a bend sinister engrailed argent between a cinquefoil pierced and an increscent counterchanged.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-11-19 14:35:56
No conflicts found. Agree with Iago's blazon.


6: Valdimárr kaupmaðr Hranason -New Name & New Device

Per chevron ployé azure and sable, in chief two drakkar prows addorsed Or, in base a hunting horn argent in trappings Or.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.

Valdimárr is an Old Norse masculine given name; it is a header form in the Viking Answer Lady's "Old Norse Men's Names" (http://vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml). Geirr Bassi has the name without the accent.

Kaupmaðr is a descriptive byname meaning "merchant, businessman" found in Geirr Bassi, The Old Norse Name. Studia Marklandia I. Olney MD: Markland Medieval Militia. 1977, p.24, s.n. Kaupmaðr

Hrani is an Old Norse masculine given name found in Geirr Bassi, The Old Norse Name. Studia Marklandia I. Olney MD: Markland Medieval Militia. 1977, p. 11, s.n. Hrani. GB says that the form used in a patronymic byname is Hrana.

Name Comments:

Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha (Pantheon) at 2019-11-17 10:34:01
Docs check, construction given + descriptive byname + patronymic byname checks for Old Norse. No conflicts noted.

Just as an FYI - Hrani is Landnamabok, Valdimarr is from the Family Sagas and Kaupmaðr is from the Heimskringla.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-11-19 14:36:34
No longer have Geirr Bassi, but the form of the name looks OK.

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2019-11-14 02:06:56
Three charges on a field default to this arrangement - 'in chief' and 'in base' aren't necessary. The details on the horn can be blazoned as 'garnished'.

Per chevron ployé azure and sable, two drakkar prows addorsed Or and a hunting horn argent garnished Or.

Iago ab Adam at 2019-11-14 02:10:39
As of the August 2019 LoAR, drakkar prows are no longer an allowed charge: "Barring evidence to the contrary, the lack of standard or iconic depictions of a drakkar prow renders this charge unregisterable." [Hundigrímr Úlfsson. August 2019 via Lochac]

As drawn, these could likely be reblazoned as dragon's heads couped but that might not match the submitter's intentions.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-11-19 14:37:08
No conflicts found if these can be changed to dragon's heads couped addorsed.


7: Wolff of Darkwater -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2014, via Trimaris.

Or, on a chevron inverted argent fimbriated three hearts and in chief two bat wings conjoined in vol sable.

Previous submission returned for redraw because the raven was not in a period style. The submitter has decided to use a new charge, the bat wings conjoined in vol, to replace the raven.

Device Comments:

Iago ab Adam at 2019-11-14 02:13:48
We should mention that the hearts are palewise.

Or, on a chevron inverted argent fimbriated three hearts palewise and in chief two bat wings conjoined in vol sable.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2019-11-19 14:37:31
No conflicts found. Agree with Iago's blazon.

Modar Neznanich (Red Hawk) at 2019-11-26 12:43:09
No conflicts noted.


Yours In Service,

HL Ephrem Orbeli, Pursuivant

Lymphad Herald, Trimaris


OSCAR counts 3 Names, 6 Devices and 1 Badge. There are a total of 10 items submitted on this letter.

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