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Atlantia LoP dated 2019-10-14

Unto Eldred Triton and the Atlantian College of Heralds, Greetings!

Herein is the second half of submissions received from Pennsic. Commentary on this letter will close on November 13.

1: Bumbas Curr Mudge -New Name & New Device

Per fess indented azure and vert, a clenched gauntlet argent

No major changes.
Sound (Bumba Curmudgeon) most important.

All elements are documented from the FamilySearch Historical Records.

Bumbas is a late period English surname turned given name. Charles Bumbas was christened on 8 September 1575 at Stratford on Avon, Warwickshire, Batch P-01079-1.

John Curr was christened on 24 January 1562 in Britstall Leicestershire (Batch C03438-3).

Robt Curr was christened on 26 November 1561 at Weston in Lincolnshire (Batch C03423-2).

Mary Mudge was christened on 15 September 1594 in Paignton in Devonshire (Batch C05192-1).

Adam Mudge was christened on 19 Autust 1571 at Ugborough in Devonshire (Batch C-05177-1).

Name Herald: Muirenn Blue Tyger

Armory Herald: Mathghamhain Elmet


2: Celestria Alexandre d'Amiens -New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in April of 2017, via Atlantia.

Old Item: Sanada Aya, to be retained as an alternate name.
Spelling (Celestria) most important.

Celestria--feminine name from late 11th and early 12th century Latin documents in and around Normandy. Found in ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 3009. Dated 1206, 1221. (http://www.s-gabriel.org/3009)

Alexandre--unmarked patronymic. Alexandre, Alixandre found in "Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century" by Juliana de Luna (heraldry.sca.org/names/Isabella/index.html)

SENA Appendix C supports the combination of French and Iberian name elements.

d'Amiens--byname found in "Names in the 1292 Census of Paris" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael, page 53. (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/1292paris.pdf

Consulting Herald: Dorcas Whitecap


3: Dubthach Ó Raghailligh -New Device Change

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Dubthach ? Raghailligh in January of 2007, via Atlantia.

Sable, on a tankard argent a hop flower sable, a bordure argent.

Old Item: Per pale sable and argent, a vol, on a chief a sun in splendour and a decrescent, all counterchanged., to be retained as a badge.

Consulting Herald: Anezka of Carolingia


4: Fujiwara no Tsukime -New Name & New Badge

Per bend gules and sable, in sinister chief on a plate fugi (kanji meaning wisteria) sable

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language most important.
Culture (female author during the early Kamakura period) most important.

Originally wanted Japanese buke class name with connections to the court nobility. <undecided>?? Tsukime

Fujiwara no Tsukime

Fujiwara is an ancient uji some of whom joined the military at about the time of the Genpei War. (attested for 1147) Consequently, Fujiwara is simultaneously attested as both an uji name and a family name during the Kamakura period. Fujiwara (attested for 660 and extant) NCMJ Rev ed. p. 391 -no- insertion is appropriate for early Kamakura period female names when in combination with an uji name. Note. Some Fujiwara joined the military buke class while others remained in the aristocratic kuge class.

Tsukime (attested for 1147) name construction continued through the Kamakura period. NCMJ Rev. Ed. 387

Name Herald: Solveig Throndardottir

Armory Herald: Richenda du Jardin


5: Jeckel Fett -New Name & New Device

Vert, a pall Or between three fleurs-de-lys argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Spelling (wants spelling Fett if possible) most important.

Jeckel: Brian Scott(SCA Talan Gwynek) "Medieval German Names from Siliesia" is dated as a masculine given name to 1484 s.n. Jacob (heraldry.sca/names/bahlow__v.htm)

In the FamilySearch Historical Records, Margreth Fett was christened 03 Dec 1571, in SANKT JOHANN EVANGELISCH, SCHWAEBISH HALL, JAGSTKREIS, WUERTTEMBERG, "Deutchland Geburten und Taufen, 1558-1898," (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V4LG-8DG), batch C82340-1

Fett: Bahlow/Gentry, German Names, s.n. Fett, Fette, a Low German name meaning "a fat person." Citations include "Albrecht der Fette" 1286; "Hartwig Vette," 1300; and "Johann de Fette," 1345. Given these forms, Fette is a plausible form.

Will accept "der Fette" if necessary.

Allows adding/deleting a word like "de" or "the" or changing language when the change is small.

Name Herald: Jehan de la Marche

Armory Herald: Michael Langley


6: Marcus Ansgari -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2019, via Atlantia.

Per saltire sable and Or, in pale two open books and in fess two boar's heads erased counterchanged.

Consulting Herald: Jeanne de Robin

This is a resubmission after the October 2018 Kingdom return of "Sable, a shark embowed-counterembowed and in chief two spears bendwise sinister argent.":

"This device is returned for violation of SENA A.1.C.2, which states that "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable...the identity of elements must not be ambiguous. Ambiguity can be created when a depiction falls between two states that contribute to difference, such as tincture, posture, or type of charge. We sometimes say that such a depiction blurs the distinction between the two states, and it may not be registered."

In this instance, while the primary charge is clearly a shark embowed-counterembowed, it is tilted enough to blur the line between palewise and bendwise. We recommend the submitter rotate the shark a few degrees, so that the S-curve is more balanced, to make it clear that the charge's center line is vertical, rather than diagonal."


7: Marguerite de Lille -New Name & New Device

Per bend argent and or, a fleur-de-lys azure within a bordure vert.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound (easy to pronounce - less complexity) most important.

Marguerite is a feminine French name found in "French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423, and 1438" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael, with 4 instances listed. http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/paris1423.html

de Lille is a locative byname found in the same source, Aryanhwy merch Catmael, "French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423, and 1438" http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/paris1423.html as a surname

Name Herald: Lilie Pantheon

Armory Herald: Michael Langley


8: Marguerite Honoree du Cheneau -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2018, via Atlantia.

Gules, on a chrevon between in chief two spearheads and a phoenix issuant from base all argent flames proper a crescent gules.

Consulting Herald: Solveig Throndardottir


9: Nala del Rio -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound (Na-la) most important.

Nala Found in Family Search Nala Carbonero, marriage to Alonso Nuno 12 Jun 1575 San Juan, Nava Del Rey, Valladolid, Spain. Batch M87149-7 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FF8S-TJ3

del Rio Found in Family Search Anton Maroto Spouse's Name: Maria Del Rio; Marriage Date: 25 May 1580; San Juan Evangelista, Arrabal De Portillo, Valladolid, Spain; BATCH M87319-4 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FFXV-Y9P

Pattern given+byname according to SENA Appendix A

Consulting Herald: Rhiannon Kraken


10: Petra in rauða refr -Resub Device

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Petra in rau?a refr in May of 2017, via Æthelmearc.

Argent, a fox couchant head lowered and on a chief gules three chamomile flowers argent.

Consulting Herald: Anezka of Carolingia

This is a resubmission after the May 2017 Laurel return of Gules, a fox dormant within an orle of vine flowered of chamomiles argent:

"This must be returned for violating SENA A2C2, "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." Quadrupeds in dormant postures are notoriously difficult to recognize, and recent precedents have given guidance to aid in recognizability. Generally, the body of the quadruped should be arranged as couchant, and the head should be lowered but still fesswise, rather than down with the snout overlapping or hidden behind one of the forelimbs. In this depiction, the fox has its head facing down, its ears parallel with and touching the forepaws splayed in front of the body, giving a confusing silhouette which is difficult to read at any distance. It must therefore be returned."


11: Rivka bat Yaakov -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

Rivka is found as a feminine given name in "Jewish Women's Names in an Arab Context: Names from the Geniza of Cairo" by Juliana de Luna (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/geniza.html)

Yaakov is found as a masculine given name in "Names of Jewish Men, 6th to 11th centuries" by Julie Stampnitzky, (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juetta/masc/yaakov.html)

bat: Meaning "daughter of" in Sephardic culture, per SENA Appendix A

If possible, submitter would like to add a Hebrew byname meaning "the red-haired" or some variation thereof.

Allows adding/deleting a word like "de" or "the" or changing language when the change is small.

Consulting Herald: Galefridus Peregrinus


12: Segolene de Charantunai -New Name & New Device

Per pale vert and gules, tree branches issuant from a tree stump eradicated Or, a bordure argent.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Culture (Southern France; late medieval) most important.
Spelling (Seg-) most important.

Segolene is an feminine given name interpolated from the masculine names Segolenus (8th C) and Seglenus (a.983), and the feminine name Segelina (not specifically dated), all found in Morlet I, s.nn. Sicolina and Syggolenus.

de Charantunai is a 12th C locative found in Dauzat & Rostaing, s.n. Carentan.

Name Herald: Jehan de la Marche

Armory Herald: Rose Therion Stone


13: Siobhán MacQuaid -New Name & New Device

Per chevron purpure and sable, an increscent, a decrescent and a wolf's head couped contourny argent.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Spelling (Byname must be spelled MacQuaid.) most important.

Siobhán can be found in Mari nic Bryan's Irish Annals article (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Siban.shtml). This article cites the name being used from 1310, 1370, 1371, 1383, 1411, 1427, 1428, 1464, 1467, 1489, 1490, 1507, 1511, 1525, 1529, 1535, 1542, 1544, 1553, 1565, 1576, 1583, 1587, 1598, 1600.

MacQuaid is the submitter's father's registered name, and should be registerable in this spelling under the Existing Registration Allowance. A letter of attestation was provided, and reads thusly:

"I, (redacted), known in the SCA as Cian Conor MacQuaid, do attest that (redacted), known in the SCA as Siobhan MacQuaid, is my legal child.

I understand that this letter cannot be withdrawn once the submitted name or armory is registered.

Letter includes Cian's legal signature and is dated August 14, 2019"

Submitter does not allow for creation of a holding name.

Name Herald: Richenda du Jardin

Armory Herald: Juliana de Luna


14: Tancred de Bayeux -New Name

Submitter has no desire as to gender.
No major changes.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

Tancred: P.H. Reany, "Oxford Dictionary of English Surnames," p. 439. Tancredus, attested to 1296; Tankred, attested to 1389.

Bayeux: 'Bayeux' is a French place name. "Dictionnaire Topographique de la France" s.n. Bayeux (cths.fr/dico-topo/affiche-vedettes.php?cdep=14&cpage=17) lists multiple forms of this name in our period, including Baieux in 1371 and 1385, and Bayeulx in 1450. The spelling Bayeux is a reasonable interpolation. The spelling Bayeux is found in "Lettres de l'illustrissime et reuerendissime cardinal d'Ossat, euesque de Bayeux...." by Ioseph Bouillerot, 1627 (https: //books.google.com/books?id=Z6mLLRCFPoAC&pg=PA760&dq=de+Bayeux&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjg_J7z4NfcAhWJh1QKHWSvAH8Q6AEIPDAC#v=onepage&q=de%20Bayeux&f=false).

'de' French article meaning 'of'; used in locatives per SENA Appendix A.

Consulting Herald: Galefridus Peregrinus


15: Tornus Sandor -New Name & New Device

Purpure, a stag's head cabossed Or and in chief two doves volant addorsed argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Language (Hungarian) most important.
Culture (Hungarian) most important.

Tornus is found in Kolosvari Arpadne Julia's article "Names of Property Owners in Northern Hungary, 1427" (https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/julia/kamarahaszna.html), s.n. Tornyos, as a descriptive byname meaning "towering, tall"

Sandor is found as a given name in Kázmér s.n. Sándor, dated to 1394 through 1600.

Name Herald: Elsbeth Anne Roth

Armory Herald: Juliana de Luna


16: Vemund Vighjalmsson -Resub Device

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Vert, a greyhound passant reguardant Or, vulned in the shoulder, a bordure Or goutty de sang.

Consulting Herald: Michael Langley

Submission History:

This is a resubmission after the April 2016 Kingdom return of "Vert a greyhound passant regardant to sinister Or vulned on the shoulder gules distilling three goutte de sang":

"This device must be returned for multiple conflicts. First conflict is Tofa Sigurdardóttir, device registered in October of 2014 (via Drachenwald): Vert, a greyhound statant contourny and in chief three Thor's hammers Or. There is one DC for removal of the Thor's hammers, there is no changes granted for the vulning or gouttes. It is also in conflict with Berthold Wolfer, device registered in February of 1999 (via Drachenwald): Per fess azure and vert, a wolf passant contourny Or. There is one DC for changes to field, there is no changes granted for the vulning or the gouttes. There is no DC for the gouttes because the gouttes appear to be part of the vulning and by precedent vulning grants no DC.

"This device is returned for conflict with the device of Laszlo Oroszlanveri, Vert, a lion rampant dismembered Or, multiply vulned gules. Under both the Rules for Submissions and the Standards for Evaluation, there is a CD/DC for the addition of the secondary charge group, but no difference is granted for the vulning or dismemberment. We have period examples showing the same arms drawn with both a dismembered lion and with a non-dismembered lion; dismembering is therefore treated as a blazonable artistic detail not worth difference. Likewise, we have period examples showing the same arms drawn with and without vulning. Vulning is sometimes depicted in a large enough fashion to be considered a tertiary charge, were it anything else -- and yet, as it comes and goes at artistic whim, so we must treat it as a blazonable artistic detail not worth différence." [Cuilen Ó Caoimh, Lochac 08/2012-R]"

Additionally, that return was of a resubmission of an item returned at Laurel in April 2014, under the name Vermundr Vighjalmsson(which was later changed to Vemundr): Vert, a greyhound passant reguardant Or vulned in the shoulder proper.

"This device has been withdrawn by the kingdom."


17: Violetta dei Corvi -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Meaning (Violetta of the Corvi family) most important.

Violetta - Violetta is found 3 times, dated to 1526 to 1542 in "Names from 15th and 16th Century Pisa" By Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith) http://heraldry.sca.org/kwhss/2014/Juliana_de_Luna/Names_from_15th_and_16th_Century_Pisa.pdf

dei Corvi - Italian byname meaning "of the Corvi family" formed by the genitive of the Corvus byname also referenced in found in The two Latin cultures and the foundation of Renaissance humanism in medieval Italy Part V - Toward a Broader Intellectual Life "Guglielmo dei Corvi of Brescia taught logic there in 1274-1279/80" He is also listed in the BIOGRAPHICAL DICTIONARY OF ITALIANS (1983) found at http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/guglielmo-corvi_%28Dizionario-Biografico%29/#

Consulting Herald: Rhiannon Kraken


In service to College and Kingdom,

Beatrice Golden Dolphin


OSCAR counts 11 Names, 1 Name Change, 10 Devices, 1 Device Change and 1 Badge. There are a total of 24 items submitted on this letter.

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