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Outlands LoI dated 2018-10-31

From the Office of Rampart Herald

THL Khalidah bint Yahya'a (Nicole Riviezzo)

rampart@outlandsheralds.org

Unto the Sovereigns and members of the College of Arms of the Society, does Khalidah bint Yahya'a, Rampart Herald send her greetings.

What follows is the October 2018 Letter of Intent for the Kingdom of the Outlands.

I would like to thank ffride wlffsdotter, Orle, Pantheon, and all of the heralds who were kind enough to contribute to internal commentary on OSCAR.

It is my intent to register this October the following items from the Outlands' College of Heralds.

This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

1: Aarquelle, Barony of - Resub Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2017, via the Outlands.

Azure, a winged sun and a mountain of three peaks Or

This submission is to be associated with Award of the Sun and Eagle of Aarquelle

The previous submission, Azure, a sun and a mountain of three peaks Or, was returned on the April 2018 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2018/04/18-04lar.html#Outlands_returns22) with the following: {This device is returned for conflict with the device of Wendryn Townsend, Azure, a sun in glory Or, with one DC for adding a secondary charge, and with the device of Paul of Sunriver, Azure, a compass star Or, with one DC for adding a mountain but none between a compass star and a sun.}

Correction to Badge (2018-Nov-12 20:11:49): To be associated with <Award of the Sun and Mountain of Aarquelle> NOT <Award of the Sun and Eagle of Aarquelle>. Aarquelle's Herald noticed the error on 11/9/18.


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

2: Alexandra Orchestrina - New Name & New Device

Or fretty sable, on a chief double-arched sable a winged sandal Or

Meaning (Occupational dancer) most important.

Alexandra- Legal Name (Driver's License provided)

Orchestrina- OrchestrÌs- [LGPN] Lexicon of Greek Personal Names (Vol 1-4) pg 1055-meaning Dancer. converting ending -is to -ina http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/feminizing.html

Additional documentation provided by Maridonna Benvenuti:

There are 143 LGPN results for feminine Ἀλεξάνδρα. Dates range from (code hell.) 323BC - 31BC in Antheon to 324 or 378AD in Kadoi. Wikipedia Classical Greek transliteration is Alexandra. http://clas-lgpn2.classics.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/lgpn_search.cgi?namenoaccents=%CE%91%CE%9B%CE%95%CE%9E%C E%91%CE%9D%CE%94%CE%A1%CE%91

Originally submitted with https://oscar.sca.org/images/emblazons/Outlands/2018-09/alexandra-c.jpg but Orle was kind enough to give new emblazons where the elements were more identifiable which the submitter was delighted to approve.


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

3: Angharad Haldene - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2018, via the Outlands.

Or, two wolves' heads erased addorsed sable

The previous submission, Or, two wolves' heads erased addorsed sable, was returned on the June 2018 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2018/06/18-06lar.html#Outlands_returns20) with the following: {This device must be returned for a redraw. The erasures at the necks of the wolf's heads do not meet our requirements as outlined in the November 2001 Cover Letter: Therefore, for purposes of recreating period armorial style for erasing, the erasing should (1) have between three and eight jags; (2) have jags that are approximately one-sixth to one-third the total height of the charge being erased; and (3) have jags that are not straight but rather are wavy or curved. ~snip~ Submissions which contain couped or erased charges that diverge significantly from the guidelines above risk being returned for unidentifiability or non-period style unless they are accompanied by documentation. Other armory has been registered since that skirt the limit of the 1/6 length requirement for jags. However, commenters were unanimous that these jags were too small for period erasures. Upon resubmission, please depict the jags in keeping with our current guidelines.}


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

4: Arndís Knýtir - New Name

Language (Icelandic) most important.
Culture (Icelandic) most important.

Arndis - is a name is found in Landnamabok for Arndis in auoga ( the rich), daughter of Steinolfr, in chs.42 and 53; Arnis Stybjarnardottir in ch 60; Arndis Hedinsdottir in Ch 63; and Arndis thorkelsdottir in Ch 74. (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml#A)

knytir - (one who knits) is a byname listed in "Viking Bynames found in the Landnamabok" by Sara L Uckelman (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/vikbynames.html)

Additional Documentation provided by Pantheon:

Both elements of the given name are found in the Nordiskt runnamnslexikon as well. (http://www.sprakochfolkminnen.se/download/18.6dffb94c149794d926e379/1529494180581/Runnamnslexikon_T% 20141106.pdf)


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

5: Constantine Cortez - New Name & New Device

Per chevron sable and azure, three lions contourny argent

Spelling most important.

Constantine - English male name dated to 1582 as seen in the Family Search record of Constantine Tennand, who dies August 21, 1582. as accessed at https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCMJ-S3N Batch Number: B02894-3

Cortez - surname found in England, dated to 1564 on the Family Search christening record of Margaret Cortez, who was christened February 8, 1564. as accessed at https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLL9-4ZW Batch Number: C02232-2

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2018-10-30/19-06-01_constantine1.jpg


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

6: Eirikr rauðskeggr - New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of June 30, 2018 as submitted.

Per saltire Or and gules, an axe and spear in saltire argent between in pale two ravens displayed sable


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

7: Gillian Pratt - New Name & New Device

Gules, a pale between two annulets in chief Or

A Dictionary of English Surnames Reaney and Wilson Third Edition

Gillian - found under heading 'Dowding' Gillian Doudyng 1303

Pratt - found under its own heading

Additional documentation provided by Maridonna Benvenuti:

Docs check out. R&W shows a spelling Lefwinus Prat c1080. The spelling Pratt can be found in "Something Rich and Strange: "Undocumentable" Names From The IGI Parish Records" by Alys Mackyntoich (Alissa Pyrich) shows AWSTINE PRATT Male Marriage 2 February 1577 Barnet, Hertford, England Batch: M072131. http://heraldry.sca.org/names/SomethingRichandStrange.html


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

8: Hawk Rill Hunnybun - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2014, via the Outlands.

Argent, on a bend sinister azure between two brown falcons proper a sword inverted argent and on a chief sable a sword argent

The previous submission, Argent, on a bend sinister azure between two brown falcons proper a sword inverted argent and on a chief sable a sword argent, was returned on the January 2018 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2018/01/18-01lar.html#Outlands_returns22) with the following: {This device is returned for redraw. When a design has a peripheral ordinary, the field and any charges on it shift to give space to the ordinary. In this device, the presence of the chief shifts the rest of the charges down, and the bend sinister should issue from the corner of the field, or the sinister base corner of the chief. Instead, the bend sinister and the sword are depicted as issuing from sinister chief corner of the escutcheon, with a portion of the primary charge obscured by the chief; this is grounds for return.}


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

9: Henning Bierschwale - New Name

Language most important.
Culture most important.

Henning - Bahlow under Hennecke; Henning Dotenberg, 1326; Henning Henninges, 1426

Bierschwale - Bahlow under it's own heading


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

10: Hrafn Væristad - New Name

Client requests authenticity.
Language (Scandanavian) most important.
Culture (Scandanavian) most important.
Meaning most important.

Hrafn ñ Citation 1: http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml#h (Hrafn, etc.)

Citation 2: Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 3143 (Hrafn)

Last Name: VÊrstad ñ Citation 3: Origin of the ënewí and complete Norwegian Farm Registry http://www.dokpro.uio.no/rygh_ng/rygh_info.html

Citation 4: Partial list of Norwegian Farm Names ñ specifically #59 ñ VÊrstad https://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/navnegransking/rygh_ng/rygh_visetekst.prl?s=e&Vise=Show&KRYSS120830@2 7477=on

Citation 5: Current list of Norwegian Farm Names specifically #59 VÊrstad ñ current era http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/navnegransking/rygh_ng/rygh_soek.prl?s=e&AMT=&start=Search&HERRED=&SOG N=&GNAVN=V%C3%A6rstad+&GNR=59&LITTREF=&REFORDF=&BIND=&SIDE=&SOEKESTRENG=&med_amt=on&med_herred=on&m ed_sogn=on&konkordanse_streng=hurtigliste&sort_tfunn=-&sort_amt=1&sort_herred=2&sort_sogn=3&sort_ga rd=4

Originally submitted as <Hrafn Værstad> but was changed to <Hrafn Væristad> by Kingdom at the submitter's approval after commentors noted that <Værstad> was a modern spelling.

Additional documentation provided by ffride wlffsdotter:

Lind col. 564 sn. Hrafn has:

Hrafn, Norway, 1475

(And looking in Diplomatarium Norvegicum it's a mention of "Hrafn Brandz son" https://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst_2016.prl?b=4450&s=n&str=Hrafn)

If they do want a later-period name, I would recommend using Rygh's entry:

vol.15, p.185 nos. 93, 94. sn. Verstad.

(https://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/navnegransking/rygh_ng/rygh_visetekst.prl?s=n&Vise=Vise&KRYSS245142%4 054435=on)

Væristad, NRJ [NRJ= Norske Regnskaber og Jordebøger fra det 16de Aarhundrede, and Rygh only refers to the first volume which covers 1514-1521.]

We actually have a late-period pattern of people bearing unmarked locative bynames in Denmark. I suspect it'd be possible to show a similar pattern in Norway:

Bernardus Woltorp, Latin, 1406 (https://diplomatarium.dk/dokument/14060502001)

Iohannes van Buren et Bernhardus Woltorp, Latin, 1409 (https://diplomatarium.dk/dokument/14090615001)

Detleuus Rixstorp, Latin, 1410 (https://diplomatarium.dk/dokument/14100914001)

Ludekinus Nyestad, Latin, 1406 (https://diplomatarium.dk/dokument/14060520002)

Henric Stadsbudh, Old Danish, 1409 (https://diplomatarium.dk/dokument/14090501001)

Fikke Kerkthorp. och Radyke Kerkthorp, Old Danish, 1410 (https://diplomatarium.dk/dokument/14100508001)

Pædher Walkendorp, Zabel Kerkendorp, Waldemar Bydhelsbach, Old Danish, 1401 (https://diplomatarium.dk/dokument/14010827001)

(Walkendorf is near Rostock, in Germany. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkendorf)

Hans Landesberghe, Middle Low German, 1406 (https://diplomatarium.dk/dokument/14061027001) her Hinrik Ghildehůs, Middle Low German, 1402 (https://diplomatarium.dk/dokument/14020715001)

her Albert Dodorp, Middle Low German, 1412 (https://diplomatarium.dk/dokument/14120410001)

In Diplomatarium Norvegicum I can find unmarked Latin examples:

Henricus Mikhelstorp, Latin, 1370 (https://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst_2016.prl?b=7551&s=n&str=%us%20%torp)

Henricus Mikelsthorp, Latin, 1369 (https://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst_2016.prl?b=7548&s=n&str=%us%20%thorp)

Ego Petrvs Hoghedorp clericus, Latin, 1399 (https://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst_2016.prl?b=10617&s=n&str=%us%20%dorp)

Marqwardus Langedorp, Latin, 1382 (https://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst_2016.prl?b=18614&s=n&str=%us%20%dorp)

But I haven't found any instances in Norwegian, yet. As a 15-early 16th c. name, "Hrafn Væristad" could be possible, maybe? I'll keep looking for Norwegian examples of unmarked locatives.


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

11: Katarina Widder - New Name & New Device

Or, a rabbit rampant maintaining a feather azure, a chief azure mullety Or

Sound (Prefers Widder not change) most important.

Katarina - is found as a feminine name in "Swedish Feminine Names from ca 1300" by Lindorm Eriksson(http://heraldry.sca.org/names/swedish1300female.htm); citations include Katarina domina and others.

Widder: svenska medeltids-vapen II by Jan Raneke, ISBN 91-578-0385-4, p.532 Cites Nicolaus Widder k.1402 with the following paragraph [translated]: "Originally, Wither or Widder seems to have been a patrician family from Copenhagen , from where some members moved to Sweden. Whether all of those shown below can be connected to the family is uncertain."


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

12: Koll-Tár í Vestrholtum - New Name & New Device

Per chevron vert and azure, on a chevron between two ram's heads cabossed and a bear's head cabossed argent, five roundels sable

Sound most important.
Culture (Nordic/Viking) most important.

Tár - found in the Nordiskt runnamslexikon. Appears on a runestone as a masculine name. Other variants include Tarr and Tárr. as accessed at http://www.sprakochfolkminnen.se/download/18.6dffb94c149794d926r379/1415279748920/Runnamnslexikon_T% 20141106.pdf

Koll - found in the Lind Personbinamn col.210. sn. Koll-Bárðr; sn. Kol'-Gríss, sn. Koll-Oddr Using these naming conventions, Koll-Tár should be allowable.

The "Íslenskir annálar" confirms that Vestrholt is a real place in Iceland, mentioning in 1260 "í Vestrholtum" (page 130, like 8) as accessed at https://books.google.com/books?id=lHUJAAAAQAAJ&pg=PR28&dq=islenskir+annalar&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiG sNjfh_rcAhXjlFQKHdRHAecQ6AEITTAI#v=onepage&q&f=false


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13: Ormrún Hrafnsdóttir - New Name & New Device

Vert, on a rose argent a raven sable

Sound (-run) most important.
Meaning (Orm - dragon/serpent, -Hrafn - raven) most important.

Ormrún - the name elements "orm" and "rún" are found in names at Viking Answer Lady. Examples of names using these elements: "orm" - Ormarr, Ormr, Ormhildr. "rún" - Dagrún, Guðrún, Kristrún, Mýrún, Ulfrún

Hrafnarsdóttir - Hrafn: make given name found in Haraldsson "The Old Norse Name", p. 11.

Additional Documentation provided by Pantheon & Orle:

The name elements are found in the Nordisk Runnamnslexikon:

OrmR mn. Fda. Orm (äv. som binamn), fsv. Orm (äv. som binamn), fvn. Ormr Av (fvn.) ormr m. 'orm'. Som f.l. → Orm-. Nom. ormr SöSB1965;12, [ormr] U628† Gen. urms Sö101 Ack. horm Vs19, or... UFv1992;159a(?), [urm] U345†

-rún f. Se → Rún-. Som e.l. snarast att uppfatta som ett nomen agentis, 'hon som besitter hemlig kunskap'. Litt., se under Rún-. Sms.: Guð-, Ingi-, Sig-, Þrúð-, Ví-. So Ormrun is a plausible construction. The byname should be Hrafnsdottir.

We can't create a name from an element unless we can show three dated examples of that element. There are enough examples of <-rún>, so we need three feminine names in <Orm->. Checking E.H. Lind Dopnamn, I find exactly three feminine names in <Orm->, but they're all over the place date-wise::

<Ormfríðr> 1429. col. 819.

<Ormhildr> 900s. col. 819.

<Ormlaug> from a farm name, <Ormlaugarstader>, 1384. col. 819.

The genitive of <Hrafn> is <Hrafns> thus the patronymic must be <Hrafnsdóttir>.

Originally submitted as <Ormrún Hrafnarsdóttir> but changed by Kingdom, with submitter's approval, to <Ormrún Hrafnsdóttir>.


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

14: Rowena Colebrok - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2006, via the Outlands.

Purpure, two polypuses and on a point Or a grenade purpure enflamed proper


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

15: Sophia Laszlo - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (Hungarian) most important.
Culture (Hungarian) most important.

Zsófia - as found in "Hungarian Feminine Names" by Walraven von nijmegen. Dated 16th century. as accessed at http://heraldry.sca.org/names/magfem2.html

László - as found in "Hungarian Names 101" by Walraven von nimegen. dated 16th century. as accessed at http://heraldry.sca.org/names/magyarnames1012.html

Originally submitted as <Zsófia László> but was changed by Kingdom to <Sophia Laszlo> at submitter's request, despite really wanting <Zsófia> and the diacritics, due to issues brought up during internal commentary by Kolosvari Arpadne Julia -

Problems:

(1) The spelling Zsófia is not dated to the 16th century in Walraven's article. This is the modern spelling, and I have yet to find any evidence for the 'zs' digraph before the late 17th century. In period, this sound and this name were spelled with a plain 's': Soffia, Soffya, Sófi, Sofia, Sofÿa, Sofya, Sophi, Sophia. (List from Walraven's cited article.)

(2) Walraven's "101" article offers very few dated forms, and László is not among them. The list of common names uses modern spellings.

(3) Two clearly-vernacular names in a row, such as Sófia László, can only really be interpreted as a vernacular name. This means that the surname is the first element, making this a masculine name.

Fixes for the problems:

Walraven's "16th c." article (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/hungarian/) does have non-modernized names, including Laszlo in 1560. (Notice the lack of diacritics, although I can dig up evidence for them if the submitter is strongly attached.)

In Latin contexts, this given name was written as Sophia. Therefore, the natural interpretation of Sophia Laszlo is that it's a latinized feminine name.

(The name is of course registerable with any of the dated spellings from Walraven's articles, in either order, but their natural interpretation by a Hungarian speaker will not necessarily match that of an English speaker or the submitter's intent.)


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

16: Syla Marston - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2017, via the Outlands.

Azure, a scimitar inverted argent winged at the hilt Or


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

17: Tiberius Aurelius Albinus - New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of April 30, 2018 as submitted.

Per fess dancetty gules and sable, in pale an owl displayed perched on a skull argent


This item was on the 01-2019 LoAR

18: Wulfila Rædwulfs sunu - New Name

Sound most important.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

Wulfila - Priest who made the Gothic translation of the Bible. "The Old Germanic Principles of Name-Giving" by Henry Bosley Woolf p. 21

Raedwulf - name from "The Old Germanic Principles of Name-Giving" by Henry Bosley Woolf pp. 57, 61, 63 dated ca. 844

The naming conventions for this period of Germanic name did not use bynames/surnames. Relations were shown through variations in the name with one name element remaining the same while the other element would be drastically changed. After 1100, patronymics began to be used (German Names in the Lowlands until 1100). However, to meet SCA naming regulations, we have attempted to make a patronymic of Raedwulf by adding "son". Any advice/help with the patronymic would be greatly appreciated.

Assistance with the patronymic request/Additional Documentation from Orle:

I'd expect <Rædwulfs sunu>. PASE has four people under the headword <Rædwulf>:

Rædwulf 1: (m viii) Bishop in spurious charter, 742 AD. Sawyer 290 has <Redwulf episcopus> (http://www.esawyer.org.uk/charter/90.html)

Rædwulf 2: (l ix) Witness to West Saxon charter, fl. 871x899 AD. Sawyer 357 has <Raduulfus> (http://www.esawyer.org.uk/charter/357.html)

Rædwulf 3: (m ix) King of the Northumbrians, 844 AD. the documentation is all coinage: coin with EDVLF, coin with HEDVVLF, coin with REDVL, two coins with REDVLE, 18 coins with REDVLF, 12 coins with REDVVLF.

Rædwulf 4: (m/l ix) Moneyer associated with the York mint for an unspecified ruler (850-867). One coin with REDVVLF.

While the submitter does prefer their originally submitted <Raedwulfson>, the submitter accepts Orle's suggestion of <Rædwulfs sunu> so Kingdom made the change.


Thus ends the October 2018 Letter of Intent for the Kingdom of the Outlands.

In Service,

THL Khalidah bint Yahya'a

Rampart Herald


OSCAR counts 11 New Names and 10 New Devices. These 21 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $84 for them. OSCAR counts 2 Resub Devices and 1 Resub Badge. These 3 items are not chargeable. There are a total of 24 items submitted on this letter.

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