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Atlantia LoP dated 2018-01-14

Unto Cian Triton, Beatrice Golden Dolphin, and the Atlantian College of Heralds does Catherine Ibis send warm greetings! Commentary for this letter will close February 12th, 2018

1: Alexandria Wright -Resub Augmentation of Arms

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2000, via Atlantia.

Vert, a three-tired natural fountain argent between three harps Or, for augmentation on the base of the fountain an open scroll fesswise azure charged with a quill fesswise argent

Submission History:

This is a resubmission after the March 2017 Kingdom return of "Vert, a three-tiered natural fountain between three harps Or, for augmentation on the base of the fountain a hurt charged with an open scroll and quill in saltire argent":

"This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." Commenters and decision meeting attendees has a difficult time identifying the quill in the augmentation, most did not see it at all, as it blends in very well will the scroll.

Augmentation Submission History:

September 2016 Atlantian Return of Vert, a three-tiered natural fountain between three harps Or, for augmentation on the base of the fountain a hurt charged with an open scroll and quill in saltire argent"

The augmentation was returned for redraw because the submitter stated in commentary that this was not the finally emblazon for the augmentation. The submitter stated she would be sending a new emblazon. The new form had not been received by Golden Dolphin by publication of the September LoI. Golden Dolphin is returning the augmentation so the submitter can send in the final emblazon that she would like registered."

Submitter was awarded an Augmentation of Arms on 10/4/2014 by William I and Kara I


2: Charles Fleming -Resub Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2001, via Atlantia.

Fieldless, a roast chicken enflamed argent and gules on a bendwise spit, sable

Consulting Herald: Tankred Bras-de-fer, Sea Tyger

Submission History:

This is a resubmission after the August 2017 Kingdom return of "(Fieldless) A roast chicken on a spit bendwise sable enflamed Or and Gules":

"The badge must be returned for several reasons as well. Firstly, the flames as depicted are unlikely to be registerable, since as depicted this is not "enflamed Or and gules," but rather a chicken "on a flame gules fimbriated Or." To be properly enflamed, the flames should be drawn as individual tongues of flame alternating Or and gules. Additionally, while we have examples of a lump of meat on a spit in period heraldry, this would likely be the defining instance for a plucked/cooked fowl, so should be better documented before being sent along to Laurel."


3: Eericka Valdemarsdotter -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Atlantia LoI of September 30, 2016 as submitted.

Azure, a pall cotised between a compass and two anchors, argent

Consulting Herald: Isolda de Crosthwaite

Submission History: This is a resubmission after the April 2017 Laurel return of the previously-submitted device, Azure, a pall cotised between a "compass rose" and two anchors argent.:

"This device must be returned for violation of SENA A2C2, which requires that charges be identifiable. Precedent states:

This device is returned for redraw. Blazoned on the LoI as a compass rose, the tertiary charge is not a compass rose as it lacks any directional marker. It is not a compass star within and conjoined to an annulet as the greater points overlie the annulet. It is not an annulet and overall a compass star as the lesser points of the compass star do not extend over the annulet. As it cannot be accurately blazoned, it must be returned. [Simon d'Este da Mantua, 04/2007, R-Atlantia]

This charge has the same issues with lack of a directional marker and with some but not all points of the mullet overlapping the annulet.

If we consider the mullet and annulet as distinct secondary charges, then there are three charges (mullet, annulet, anchors) in the same secondary charge group, which is grounds for return under SENA A3D2a, which prohibits charge groups with more than two types of charges.

We encourage the submitter upon resubmission to depict the compass rose with all points of the mullet within the annulet, and with a northern indicator to avoid this issue."


4: Furia Theodosia -New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in May of 2018, via Atlantia.

Old Item: Feodosiia Alekseeva zhena, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language most important.
Culture (Roman, Byzantine) most important.

Furia: feminine form of Furius; 16th cent. Roman. http://heraldry.sca.org/names/roman.html
http://www.s-gabriel.org/910

Theodosia: 14th cent. Roman http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzanine/fem_given_names.html

Consulting Herald: Gabriel James West


5: Guendolen le Renard -New Name Change & New Device

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in May of 2018, via Atlantia.

Purpure, in pale conjoined a fox sejant argent and a dolphin haurient embowed Or, a bordure wavy argent

Old Item: Guendolen of Cumbria, to be released.
Meaning most important.

Guendolen is registered to the client by Laurel as <Guendolen of Cumbria> January 2003 and is grandfathered to the client. Originally it is the name of a literary character from Geoffery of Monmouth's work and may be a misreading of the masculine name Guendoleu.

le Renard translates from the French as "the Fox". <Renard> is found in "Names in the 1292 census of Paris", by Sara L. Uckelman, Chapter 3 page 152; http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/1292paris.pdf. It is also recorded "Surnames from Artois, 1601" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael. http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/1601sur.html

It follows SENA Appendix A rule in both French and Welsh "given + byname".

Examples from the O&A include Guendolen Watkyns (November 2001) Guendolen of uxor Alexander (May 2007), Juliene le Renard (Jan 2016) and Mychael le Renard (October 2006).

Consulting Herald: Wynne ferch Rhodri Blue Shark


6: Iseulte of the Red Cliffs -New Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 1988, via Atlantia.

Ermine, a unicorn rampant gules collared with a cornet argent, within a bordure sable

Old Item: Ermine, a unicorn rampant gules within a bordure sable, to be retained as a badge.

Consulting Herald: Eoin Mac Èadbháird


7: Kryss Kostarev -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2014, via Atlantia.

Fieldless, a kriss gules hilted sable

See Attached Documentation.

Consulting Herald: Wynne ferch Rhodri, Blue Shark

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=954/2018-01-07/11-37-03_Kryss_Kostarev_Badge_Documentation1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=954/2018-01-07/11-37-05_Kryss_Kostarev_Badge_Documentation2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=954/2018-01-07/11-37-07_Kryss_Kostarev_Badge_Documentation_3.jpg


8: Mafalda Berenguer de Guixols -New Name & New Device

Quarterly, gules and Or, a dragon in annulo, head to dexter, sable

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

Mafalda was found on the Partial List of Leonese and Castilian Names by Diego Mundoz (Robert Huff) https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/diego/reilly.html

Berenguer was found on the list of Catalan names from the 15th century Barcelon by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara I. Uckelman) http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/spanish/15thcbarcelona.html

de Guixols is a toponymic for the area of Sant Feliu de Guixols, a municipality in Spain that was founded around a monastery in the 900s.

Consulting Herald: Andrew of Skye

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=954/2018-01-07/11-46-48_Mafalda_Berenguer_de_Guixols_Documentation1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=954/2018-01-07/11-46-49_Mafalda_Berenguer_de_Guixols_Documentation2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=954/2018-01-07/11-46-51_Mafalda_Berenguer_de_Guixols_Documentation3.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=954/2018-01-07/11-46-52_Mafalda_Berenguer_de_Guixols_Documentation5.jpg


9: Osric Grỳme -New Name & New Device

Argent, a bat-winged polypus vert, orbed argent, a base sable

Language most important.
Culture (Late Anglo-Saxon) most important.
Meaning (Strength/Outsider) most important.

Osric: Bede's "A History of the English Church and People" 731 A.D. (trans. 1982 by Leo Sherley-Price). s-gabriel.org/names/aelfwyn/bede.html

Grỳme An Index to the 1332 Lay Subsidy Rolls for Lincolnshire, England (by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, mka Kathleen M. O'Brien). s-gabriel.org/names/mari/lincLSR/BynG.html

Consulting Herald: Eoin Mac Èadbháird


10: Seamus the Tinker -New Household Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2008, via Atlantia.

House of the Goat and Trumpet

Meaning most important.

"House of" - non-personal name type designator

"Goat" - common heraldic charge

"Trumpet" - common heraldic charge

Name construction according to "From Pelican: Some Name Resources (an Ongoing Series)" - http:www.heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/02/13-02cl#2 - [designator] + [charge] + [charge]

Consulting Herald: Lady Rhiannon Morgaine


11: Stierbach, Barony of -New Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 1999, via Atlantia.

Award of the Silver Horns

No changes.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

Award of the Silver Horns: Approved by the Officers of the Barony of Stierbach, at the Baronial Business Meeting, on Tuesday, 10 October 2017.

"Given solely at the discretion of the Baron/Baroness of Stierbach, recognizing those they find deserving, having displayed non-specific contributions to the Barony with a "take the bull by the horns" kind of attitude. May be received more than once."

Consulting Herald: Dietrich Saphir zum Drache


12: Tegan of Anglesey -New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Atlantia LoI of November 30, 2017 as submitted.

Quarterly vert and gules, a spear bendwise sinister in bend a dog passant and an annulet Or

Consulting Herald: Ricart Berenguer Falcon


13: Xavier Crystal Keeper -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Atlantia LoI of September 30, 2016 as submitted.

Gules, a cross engrailed Or with a step-cut jewel purpure

Consulting Herald: Gabriel James West

Submission History:

This is a resubmission after the September 2016 Kingdom return of "Gules, between two eagles displayed argent, a pall inverted Or and in base a wolf couped argent":

"This device is being returned for conflict with Franziska Gerdrudis Kesselheim "Gules, a pall inverted Or between two unicorns combattant argent and a natural tiger couchant argent marked sable". There is only 1 DC for type of secondaries, the charges don't have comparable postures so we can't get a DC for

change of posture. Upon resubmission, please draw the pall a little larger and the intersection of the pall should be drawn closer to the fess line, so that the sections of the field are evenly divided. Also the erasures on wolf head need to be more prominent so one-sixth to one-third the total height of the

charge being erased."

This is a complete change from the original submission.


14: Ysoria of Scarborough -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in August of 2011, via Atlantia.

Azure, a chief embowed argent with three mullets of six points azure, a cat sejant guardant argent

Consulting Herald: Gabriel James West


Yours in Service,

Catherine Ibis


OSCAR counts 2 Names, 2 Name Changes, 1 Household Name, 1 Order Name, 7 Devices, 1 Device Change, 2 Badges and 1 Augmentation of Arms. There are a total of 17 items submitted on this letter.

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