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Laurel LoPaD dated 2017-08-25

To all the College of Arms and all others who may read this missive, from Emma Laurel, Alys Pelican, and Cormac Wreath, greetings.

This letter contains the issues raised in the June 2017 LoAR for CoA discussion. The text in this letter is copied verbatim from that LoAR; it is provided here for convenience. As with an August LoI, these matters are currently scheduled for the Pelican and Wreath meetings in November 2017. Original commentary, responses, and rebuttals to commentary must be entered into OSCAR no later than Tuesday, October 31, 2017.

This item was on the 11-2017 LoAR

1: An Tir, Kingdom of - New Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 1981, via the West.

Order of Scholar of An Tir

This order name is pended for discussion of whether it is too generic to be registered, even with the branch name appended. Commentary at the Roadshow at the Known World Heraldic and Scribal Symposium strongly leaned against registering this order name. However, we wish broader commentary on the issue.

GP2A of SENA states:

Some items are considered too generic to be registered. This means that they may be used by anyone and may not be reserved to one person or group by registration. One such category is generic identifiers such as Brewer's Guild and Queen's Guard. These names may be used by any branch to identify the owner or association of a badge, but no group may register them.

We also wish commentary to address the precedent in the December 2002 Cover Letter, which states that the addition of a branch name does not make a generic non-personal name registerable:

A submission this month raised the issue of generic identifiers again. Given the confusion that exists regarding what is and is not a generic identifier, as well as how generic identifiers are used, we are providing a clarification of this issue.

Generic identifiers are descriptions that may be associated with registered items (mainly badges) to identify the use of that item. Unlike registered names (award names, order names, guild names, household names, et cetera), generic identifiers are not registered as an independent item and are not protected from conflict. This does not mean that the group may not use this identifier, but simply that we will not limit the usage of that identifier to a single group.

Names that fall into the generic identifier category are names that would reasonably be used by more than one branch for common functions of the branch. All kingdoms can have a university. All baronies can have a baronial guard. All groups can have an equestrian guild.

Adding the name of the branch to the description does not affect generic identifiers (because branch identifiers are transparent for conflict). As an example, Outlands Equestrian Guild falls into the generic category because the only thing that would differentiate it from Equestrian Guild of Calontir are the branch identifiers Outlands and of Calontir.

Particularly in light of NPN3C of SENA, which allows the addition of an SCA branch name to a non-personal name to clear conflict, commenters are asked to address whether the December 2002 precedent be overturned.

In addition, we would like further commentary on the question of whether this order name is presumptuous or an unregisterable form of address given the use of Scholar as both a real world title and one already in use in several Kingdoms for various ranks. For example, Scholar is used by many colleges as an academic rank (e.g., the Scholars of Trinity College). As another example, in Meridies, members of the Order of the Athanor are styled as "free scholars." Because of its historical use by the London Masters of Defense, rapier students in many Kingdoms use the style "scholar."

This was item 4 on the An Tir letter of March 31, 2017. (

This item was on the 11-2017 LoAR

2: Ana Yanka - New Name Change From Holding Name

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in November of 2017, via Ealdormere.

Old Item: Ana of Ramshaven, to be released.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
No changes.
Sound (Anyanka; but will not accept a patronymic) most important.

Yanka was documented as a female given name. No evidence was provided for Russian names consisting of only two given names. We are pending this name for additional research on the use of unmarked matronymic bynames in Russian. We received no commentary addressing this issue.

This was item 1 on the Ealdormere letter of March 27, 2017. (

This item was on the 11-2017 LoAR

3: Calontir, Kingdom of - New Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 1983, via Calontir.

Order of the Purple Jess

This order name is pended for further discussion of whether a jess can be considered an identifiable and distinct period charge, such as could be used to create an order name.

This was item 5 on the Calontir letter of March 31, 2017. (

This item was on the 11-2017 LoAR

4: Hazel of Foxedene - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2015, via Atlantia.

Purpure, on a mountain between in chief two natural dolphins haurient respectant argent, a dragon passant regardant purpure

This item is pended for disucussion of how closely designs using the existing registration allowance must follow the existing registration. When this badge was discussed, precedent had disallowed mountains issuant from base as primary charges, and the discussion centered around whether the submitter would be allowed to use the mountain, based on the previous registration by her father, Jonathas Reinisch: Azure, on a mountain argent a fox's head couped gules. A recent ruling overturned this restriction due to period evidence being presented of uncharged mountains issuant from base as primary charges. However, the ruling disallowed the mountain from being charged.

The charge on the mountain in Jonathas Reinisch's device is a red fox's head, while Hazel's tertiary charge is a purple dragon. Discuss whether the concept of placing a tertiary charge on something that is otherwise restricted from being charged should be allowed via prior registration, or whether that tertiary charge would need to be closer to *that on* the original submission in type, tincture, etc., or even identical to it.

This was item 5 on the Atlantia letter of March 29, 2017. (

Pray know that I remain,

In service,

Emma de Fetherstan
Laurel Queen of Arms

OSCAR counts 1 Name Change, 2 Order Names and 1 Device. There are a total of 4 items submitted on this letter.

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