1: Conrad von Zollern and Katelin de Irlande -Resub Household Name
OSCAR finds the name (Conrad von Zollern) registered exactly as it appears in March of 2002, via the Outlands.
OSCAR finds the name (Katelin de Irlande) registered exactly as it appears in May of 2008, via Artemisia.
Abbatia Porta Leonis
Submitter has no desire as to gender.
Language ("Abbey of Lions Gate" in Latin) most important.
Culture ("Abbey of Lions Gate" in Latin) most important.
Meaning ("Abbey of Lions Gate" in Latin) most important.
Resubmission from 09/2011
Conrad von Zollern and Katelin de Irlande. New Household Name, Priory of the Lion of the Abbey of Saint David. Submitters documented the construction of the household name using Project Ordensnamen, by Meradudd Cethin, and included what may be the defining instance of "Priory of" as a household designator. There are 2 problems with this. First, Laurel noted that name patters for order names are not appropriate for household names on the September 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2009/09/09-09lar.html), returning the name House Silver Talon (via Aethelmearc): "To be a house name, this must be justified as an inn sign name. It can't be based on the pattern for an order, as it's not an order. The concept is at some level fine; Margaret's "Comparison of Inn/Shop/House names found London 1473-1600 with those found in the ten shires surrounding London in 1636" (http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~grm/signs-1485-1636.html) has <Eagles foote> before 1600. Mari's "English Sign Names From 17th Century Tradesman's Tokens" (http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/Tokens/) has <Golden Leg>. That's probably close enough to give <talon> the benefit of the doubt..." Secondly, the designator "Priory of" makes no sense in combination with "Abbey of", and would not have been used in period. While submitters allow changes, we have no idea how to rescue this particular construction.
Abbatia - Latin Translation of English word `abbey'
Abbey is dated in this spelling to 1250 in the OED. Household designators are based on groups of people in period. An abbey is place where a group of people lives together. The August 2008 LoAR (v. Brockore Abbey, Canton of) noted: ... Siren provided the following examples of the pattern place name + abbey, from http://www.british-history.ac.uk: Chersey abbey 1538, Pypwell Abbey 1511, Myssenden Abbey 1511, Meryvall Abbey 1511, Bardmonseye Abbaye 17 Edward II. Margaret Makafee also provides some examples, from the Corpus of Middle English Prose and Verse, http://www.hti.umich.edu/c/cme/, including the following: Kenelworthe abbey c. 1450, Becc abbey 15th C, seynt Ede abbey undated. [Brockore Abbey, Canton of; Aug. 2008] Rising Waters, Barony of was registered Oct. 1992 via the Middle. Allows adding/deleting a word like "de" or "the" or changing language when the change is small
Porta - Latin Translation of English word `gate'
Leonis - Latin Translation of English word `lion'
Precedent states that "Abbeys are clearly named for placenames and for their patron saints." [Monique Marie Sauniere, Household name Flaxen Abbey, 9/2011 LoAR, R-Caid]
The Lion's Gate is one of the seven Gates in the Walls of Old Jerusalem. The Lions' Gate is located on the north-east walls of the old city of Jerusalem, leading to the Via Dolorosa.
Porta Leoni is also an ancient Roman gate in Verona, northern Italy.
Consulting Herald: Katelin de Irlande (Hawk's Hollow)