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Outlands LoP dated 2014-11-14

Outlands College of Heralds

November 14, 2014 From the Office of the Castle Herald

Gauvain Eisenbein

castle@outlandsheralds.org

Unto the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 14th day of November, A.S. XLIX (2014 CE), does Lord Gauvain Eisenbein send greetings on behalf of Baron Randal Carrick, White Stag Principal Herald.

Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands' Letter of Presentation for November 2014.

For all resubmissions (names *AND* devices), please include where the previous submission was returned. This makes it dramatically easier to give the submitter credit for the previous submission. As always, I am requesting a text copy of all name write-ups.

Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the herald's commentary list is encouraged. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Please have comments on items contained herein to Rampart Herald by December 16th, 2014, for the decision meeting scheduled for December 17th, 2014. As a reminder, the College of Arms requests commentary on all items, including appeals.

1: Argyle Robertsoun -New Name & New Device

Per pall sable, argent and azure, in chief a raven displayed facing sinister, argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.

[Argyle] - From FamilySearch.org - "Francis Argyle"; Female; Marriage; 07 Jun 1650; Duffield, Derby, England; Batch: M04994-2

The use of surnames as given names has precedence via the September LoAR Cover Letter.

[Robertsoun] - [DOST] gives 3 instances (1585, 1589, and 1612). The Aberdeen Council Register from the years 1500-1550 give 2 instances (1533 and 1548)

English and Scots is an allowable lingual mix under the standards of SENA Appendix C.

Consulting Herald: Noelle des Poys


2: Baldewin von Ruppin -New Name & New Device

Quarterly vert and azure, a winged wolf segreant between three crosses formy argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound (12-14th c German) most important.
Spelling (12-14th c German) most important.

[Baldewin] - [Bahlow] cites Baldewin from 1387, Wernher Baldewin from 1206, etc.

[von Ruppin] - dated to 1273 in Henrich Berghaus, Country Book of Mark Brandenburg and the Markgrafthums Lower-Lausitz in the middle of the 19th century (or the geographical-historical-statistical description of the province of Brandenburg): "Die alteste Urfunde villeicht in der sich die Grafen von Lindow auch Grafen <<von Ruppin>> nennen, ist die von 1273, in welcher die Wargrafen Johann... (copy attached). (http://books.google.com/books?id=o3YOAAAAYAAJ)

Consulting Herald: Warenus de Fulmere

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1489/2014-11-13/00-40-26_baldewin-1.jpg


3: Barony of Caer Galen -New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(Fieldless) A hedgehog ermine

This submission is to be associated with The Order of the Hedgehog of Caer Galen

Correction to Badge (2014-Nov-14 15:11:04): Caer Galen, Barony of


4: Barony of Caer Galen -Resub Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(Fieldless) On a barrel proper a chalice Or

This submission is to be associated with The Order of Saint William the Cooper

The previous device, (Fieldless) A chalice Or, was returned on the September 2014 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2014-08-lop/1409-lor.html) with the following: {Returned for conflicts with Ladies of the Bay (May 1980, West): Per saltire azure and gules, a goblet Or, and Melisande de Belvoir (April 1976): Argent, a chalice Or, upon the dexter lip a honeybee proper}

Correction to Badge (2014-Nov-14 15:11:53): Caer Galen, Barony of


5: Barony of Caer Galen -Resub Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(Fieldless) On a fireball gules enflamed proper a harp Or

This submission is to be associated with The Order of Saint Michael with the Harp

The previous submission, (Fieldless) A fireball gules enflamed proper, was returned on the September 2014 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2014-08-lop/1409-lor.html0 with the following: {Returned for a conflict with Ian of Loch Naver (1992, West): Argent chapé sable, a fireball gules enflamed proper. There is only one DC for fieldlessness.}

Correction to Badge (2014-Nov-14 15:11:10): Caer Galen, Barony of


6: Belatumara filia Disideri -Resub Name & Resub Device

Per saltire vert and sable, four triquetras conjoined crosswise argent

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No changes.

The previous name submission, Belatumara filia Morbet, was returned on the October 2013 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/10/13-10lar.html) with the following: {This name has multiple issues, each of which is a reason for return. First, Belatumara is not clearly dated; it's simply mentioned in comparison to a dated citation. What language or time-frame it is found in is not clear, nor is it clearly a feminine given name. Barring this documentation, it cannot be combined with other elements. It appears to be a Latinized form of some kind of Gaulish name.

Second, the byname filia Morbet does not appear to be properly constructed. Morbet is documented as a descriptive byname of unclear meaning, and no documentation was given for the use of such an element after filia.

Finally, the combination of these elements was not documented. The given name was documented from an article about Breton names, but is of unclear origin and usage. The byname is from an article about Pictish names. No evidence was presented that Breton and Pictish could be combined and they are not combinable under the standards of Appendix C. Barring evidence that they can be combined, this lingual mix is not registerable.}

The documentation for the new name is attached.

The previous device submission, Per saltire vert and sable, four triquetras conjoined in cross argent, was returned on the October 2013 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/10/13-10lar.html) with the following: {This device is returned for violating our long-standing ban on Celtic knotwork, for not being heraldic. While we do allow triquetras in armory, in this combination they look more like knotwork and less like discrete charges.}

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1489/2014-11-13/00-47-22_belatumara-1.jpg


7: Cormaic Vaux -New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of July 26, 2014 as submitted.

Argent, a horse rampant regardant sable and in chief an increscent gules

Consulting Herald: Angus McFarlane


8: Cuhelyn of Northanhymbre -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of October 28, 2014 as submitted.

Argent seme de lis azure, a catamount passant, queued-fourche, on a chief sable, three mullets of six points argent

The previous device submission, Argent semy-de-lys azure, a catamount passant queued-fourche sable, was returned on the October 2014 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2014-09-lop/1410-lor.html) with the following: {Returned for a conflict with Adelaide de Bourbon (January 2002, Ansteorra): Argent semy-de-lys vert, an ounce passant guardant sable incensed gules. There is only one DC for the azure. Unfortunately, the queued-fourche does not count for another DC. Commentors also note that the queued-fourche is not identifiable among the semy-de-lys azure.}


9: Estevan de Sepulveda -New Badge

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Estevan de Sepúlveda in November of 2012, via the Outlands.

Argent, a wyvern segreant azure within an orle of four swords sable

Consulting Herald: Angus Reid McFarlane

Correction to Badge (2014-Nov-14 15:11:24): Estevan de Sepúlveda


10: Gideon Dubh Mac AnBhaird -New Name & New Device

Per pale sable and argent, a human skull sustaining a tree blasted counterchanged

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language (Late period Scottish or Irish) most important.
Culture (Late period Scottish or Irish) most important.
Meaning (Late period Scottish or Irish) most important.

[Gideon] - "Dictionary of Tudor London Names" Sara L. Uckelman (www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/tudorlondon.pdf) p. 12 shows Gideon Aldgate, 1582.

[Dubh] - "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Descriptive Bynames: Dub / Dubh" Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/DescriptiveBynames/Dub.shtml) gives Feidhlim Dubh Ua NEill dated to 1542.

[mac An Bhaird] - "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Seán (Seóan)" Mari Elspeth nic Bryan gives Sean Cam mac Con Uladh Mec an Bhaird dated to 1459.

Consulting Herald: Warenus de Fulmere


11: Gillian Godfrey -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2013, via the Outlands

Per pale gules and azure, a stag's skull cabossed

Consulting Herald: Angus Reid MacFarlane


12: Heinric von Drachenburg -Resub Name

No major changes.
Sound most important.
Language most important.
Culture most important.
Meaning most important.

[Heinric] - "Some Early Middle High German Bynames with Emphasis on Names from the Bavarian Dialect Area" Brian M. Scott (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/Early_German_Bynames.html) dates Heinric to 1180.

[von Drachenburg] - "ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 2924" Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2924.txt) gives the following {The places that we have found with the element <Drachen-> in them are <Drachenfels>, <Drakenburg> or <Drachenburg>, <Drackenfeld>, <Drackenstedt>, and <Drachenstein>.}

Consulting Herald: Warenus de Fulmere

Correction to Name (2014-Nov-14 15:11:49): This is not a resubmission, it is a change of holding name. From the August 2014 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/08/14-08lar.html#204):

Heinric von Drachenhöle. Name.

The preposition von is only used without the definite article for town and city names, not for locations named after geologic features like forests and valleys. Drachenhöle appears to be named after a cave, not a town, and is a feminine noun, so the appropriate prepositional phrase would be von der ("of the") or bei der/vor der ("near or in front of"). We would change the byname to von der Drachenhöle, but this would be a major change, which the submitter does not allow. Therefore, we are forced to return this name.

In communication with kingdom, the submitter expressed a desire for a "noble name". We note that the use of von to denote nobility is not found in our period. In period, it means nothing more than "of" or "from", and anyone may register this element.

His device has been registered under the holding name <Heinric of Nahrun Kabirun.>


13: Iðunn Hallsdottir -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2014, via the Outlands

Sable, in pale an owl argent perched on a crescent between three estoilles Or

The previous submission, Sable, between the horns of and perched upon a crescent Or an owl argent, all between three estoiles Or, was returned on the July 2014 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/07/14-07lar.html) with the following: {This device is returned for violating SENA A3E1, Arrangement of Charge Groups. This arrangement, a charge partially surrounding a sustained secondary, all between another non-semy secondary group, is not listed in SENA Appendix J, and so may not be registered without documentation that this is a period arrangement of charge groups.}

Consulting Herald: Warenus de Fulmere


14: Logan of Logan -New Name & New Device

Sable, a sinister hand apaumy argent between three bezants one and two

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.

<Logan> - Logan Daggat is given as the name of a man christened on 8 April, 1586, at Backford in Cheshire according to Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900.

- Logan Marriner was born about 1590 in Wherstead, Suffolk, England (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MFH2-8D6)

- "Logan seems acceptable as an Anglicization of the Irish Locân, Leogán." (LoAR May 1993 - Logan Hawkwood)

Other Previous Submissions:

Logan Mersc Macjenkyne (LOAR 10/1993)

Logan Ebon Woulfe (LOAR 03/2013)

<of Logan> As Black notes (Surnames of Scotland, p. 436), "there are several places named Logan in Scotland"

of Logan would also be the Anglicized form of "de Logan" for which there are numerous examples

Previous Submissions:

-Duncan Bruce of Logan (LOAR 11/1988)

-Wulfwyn of Logan ( LOAR 1/1996)

Construction:

The English name with a locative byname is a standard practice (SENA Appendix A). The Name additionally falls under the same Regional Naming group (SENA Appendix C).

Consulting Herald: Jethro Stille


15: Rosamund Hawksworth -New Name & New Device

Per chevron inverted argent and azure, a heraldic rose proper and three mullets of eight points Or

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Client requests authenticity for 15th Century English.
Sound (15th Century English) most important.
Language (15th Century English) most important.
Culture (15th Century English) most important.

[Rosamund] - "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames" Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/reaneyHZ.html): <<Rosamund>> <CG Rosemunda. [Roseman]

[Hawksworth] - "Faire Names for English Folk: Late Sixteenth Century English Names" Christian de Holacombe (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/christian/fairnames/surnames.html): <<Hawksworth>>


16: Sveina Bjornardóttir -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Language (Viking/Old Norse) most important.
Culture (Viking/Old Norse) most important.

www.vikinganswerlady.com

The submitter would really like the personal name of Svena or Sveina. She would like the byname to reflect that she's Bjorn's daughter.

Consulting Herald: Saerlaith inghean Robeaird


Thus ends the November 2014 Letter of Presentation.

In Service,

Gauvain Eisenbein

Castle Herald


OSCAR counts 8 Names, 10 Devices and 4 Badges. There are a total of 22 items submitted on this letter.

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