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East LoI dated 2014-11-13

Unto Andrewe Laurel, Lillia Pellycan and Brunissende Wreath from Alys Blue Tyger, greetings and every good thing.

It is the intent of the College of Heralds of the East to register the following items. Unless otherwise noted, the submitter has no desire for authenticity and allows any changes.

Note that this is the second of the East's letters containing Pennsic submissions, and Lillia Pelican has generously waived the requirement that we provide photocopies of commonly used articles from www.medievalscotland.org and www.ellipsis.cx.

This item was on the 02-2015 LoAR

1: Alan of Wytleseie - New Name & New Device

Azure, a winged sagittary statant and a chief argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for England.
Sound (Al-ann of Wit-ill-see) most important.

Alan is an English male given name found in "English Names found in Brass Enscriptions" by Julian Goodwyn (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/brasses/men.html) dated to 1432.

Wytleseie is a dated spelling found in Watts s.n. Whittlesey, which has <Wi- Wytleseia -eie -eya -ey(e) -e> c. 1120-1553


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2: Alasdar Sparhauec - New Name & New Device

Argent, a triskelion of spirals and on a chief sable a fox courant to sinister reguardant argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound (Alasdair, Alisdair, Alastair, Alistair (like that)) most important.

Submitted as Alasdair Sparhauoc, that name would have been unregisterable because there were more than 500 years between the elements. Blue Tyger had detailed conversations with the submitter following Pennsic and was able to help him pick a form of the name that should be registerable.

Alasdar is a Gaelic male name dated to 1465 in "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Alaxandar.shtml). The raw data shows mac Alasdair, which makes Alasdair the genitive and Alasdar the probable nominative form.

Sparhauec is an English name dated to 1172 in the Middle English Dictionary s.n. spar-hauk (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med-idx?type=id&id=MED41977&egs=all&egdisplay=compact). By precedent, "an Old English masculine name can be used as an unmarked patronymic byname when there is evidence that the name was in use when this pattern is found, i.e., we allow it for names which were in use in the middle of the 11th century or later." [Brada Æthelward, 7/2010 LoAR, A-Aethelmearc]. Additionally, in Kingdom commentary, commenters provided evidence of several variant spellings of Sparhauec used as bynames. R&W s.n. Sparrowhawk cites both Robert Sperhauec and Geoffrey Sparheuec from 1221. The submitted byname seems a reasonable variant spelling.

Gaelic and English can be combined under Appendix C of SENA, but there must be less than 300 years between the name elements.

The use of a triskelion of spirals is a SFPP.


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3: Alexander Makcristyne - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2005, via the East

(Fieldless) A cauldron argent conjoined to two schneckes couped addorsed azure one and two

This appears to be a properly drawn cauldron per the November 2012 Cover Letter.

At Kingdom, commenters questioned whether the azure charges were identifiable as schneckes or if they should be reblazoned as ram's horns based on the image below from the Ingeram Codex (lower left). This is a question best decided by Wreath.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=449/2014-11-10/20-49-37_Ingeram_Codex.jpg


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4: Amber Surrey - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 1987, via the East

Or, issuant from an ink pot sable a quill purpure all between in bend two domestic cats sejant respectant sable


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5: Beccán Ua Néill - New Name & New Device

Vert, a seawolf and on a chief argent, three frets couped vert

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language (Irish 10th-12th century) most important.
Culture (Irish 10th-12th century) most important.

Beccán is an Old and Middle Irish male name found in "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Beccan.shtml), with Annals dates ranging 675 to 973.

Ua is the Middle Irish marker for a Clan Affiliation style byname. "Quick and Easy Gaelic Names" by Sharon Krossa (http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/#spelling).

Néill is the Middle Irish genitive form of the given name Niall, also found in Mari's "Index" (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Niall.shtml) with relevant Annals dates of 971, 978, 1057. "


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6: Bregwald filius Tercio - New Name & New Device

Gules, a dragon couchant argent, on a chief Or three mullets gules.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for unspecified.

The submitter would prefer Bregwald Tertius if it could be documented. He will settle for (in order of preference): Bregwald Tertii, Bregwald Tertio, Bregwald filius Tertii, Bregwald filius (some other Latinized form).

At Kingdom, we were unable to document the requested Bregwald Tertius. Blue Tyger changed the name to the approved form of Bregwald filius (some other Latinized form), a form that matches the available documentation.

Bregwald is found as a masculine given name in PASE (http://www.pase.ac.uk) in 716; it is both the documentary and the header form.

Morlet Vol II, p. 111, s.n. Tercio dates the spelling Tercio to 845.

This name combines Old English and possibly Frankish elements; this is an allowable lingual mix under SENA Appendix C.

Blue Tyger was uncertain about the formation of the byname and requests assistance.


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7: Caitilín ingen Donndubáin - New Name & New Device

Vert, eight roses three, three, and two Or and on a chief argent an arrow fesswise reversed purpure.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Spelling (Caitilín) most important.

Caitilín is an Early Modern Irish female given name found in "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Caitilin.shtml) with Annals dates of 1411, 1471, 1486, 1490, 1506, 1527, 1530, 1568, 1582, 1592

ingen is the patronymic marker for "daughter" in pre-1200 Gaelic.

Donndubáin is the genitive of the Middle Irish male name Donndubán, also found in Mari's "Index" (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Donnduban.shtml) with relevant Annals dates of 831, 976, 980, 982, 995, 996 and 1058.


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8: Ceolwenne wyrhte - New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in February of 2015, via the East.

Old Item: Ceolwenne of Endeweard, to be released.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

Ceolwenne is grandfathered to the submitter.

wyrhte is a constructed Old English byname derived from the word wyrhte, which appears in Bosworth Toller's Anglo Saxon dictionary as a feminine word meaning "maker, worker." The masculine word becomes a Middle English byname (R&W s.n. wright), with the first citation dated to 1214. The MED s.v. wright(e) adds an 1103-5 "Spilemanus brandwirchte," pushing it back to essentially Old English.".


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9: Christina Jenevra de Carvalhal - Resub Name & Resub Device

Paly argent and sable, on a chief triangular azure a closed book Or.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (Portuguese 1475-1540) most important.
Culture (Portuguese 1475-1540) most important.

This is a resubmission. The submitter's original name, Marquesa de Carvalhal, was returned on the June 2011 LoAR because the given name Marquesa is also a Spanish title meaning 'marchioness' (the feminine form of marquis). Under PN.4.B.1, "Given names that are identical to titles and forms of address may be registered in contexts that make it clear that they are given names and not titles".

She resubmitted as Marquesa Manuell de Carvalhal, but withdrew that name from consideration at Pennsic.

This name was submitted at Pennsic as Janebra de Carvalhal with the requests that: (1) Janebra be changed to Jenevra if that spelling could be documented and (2) the name be changed to Christina Jenevra de Carvalhal if double given names could be documented in Portuguese. As we were able to find additional documentation to fulfill these requests after Pennsic, we have honored the submitter's wishes.

Christina is a female given name found in the Family Search Historical Records:

Christina De Rego Death Female 15 Jan 1591 Bombarral, Leiria, Portugal B03042-9

Jenevra is a female given name found s.n. Genebra in "Portuguese Names from Lisbon, 1565" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/portuguese/fem1565.html)

Appendix A is silent on whether double given names are found in Portuguese. Assistance in finding data to confirm this pattern is requested. If support for this pattern cannot be found, the submitter prefers that Christina be dropped.

de Carvalhal, meaning 'from a grove or forest of oaks,' is a Portuguese toponymic surname found in Aryanhwy merch Catmael, "Portuguese Names from Lisbon, 1565" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/portuguese/fem1565.html)

Her previous submission, Azure, in pale an owl, wings displayed, sustaining an open book proper, on a chief engrailed argent three laurel wreaths vert was returned on the June 2011 LoAR for using a laurel wreath, a charge reserved for use by SCA groups.

This is a complete redesign.

Commenters questioned whether the chief triangular extended too far down the field. Based on precedent, it appears that this issue requires an artist's note rather than a return:

Geirúlfr mac an Gall´glaigh. Name and device. Sable, two spears in saltire and on a chief triangular argent, a wolf statant to sinister sable.

Commenters asked if this device blurs the line between a chief triangular and a per chevron inverted field. It does not. While several precedents were cited where devices were returned for being drawn somewhere between chaussé, a pile, and a chief triangular, only the most recent submission of the four matches this device. The rest have the triangular portion extending well past the per fess tickmarks on the form. In one case, it is nearly throughout. In the future, we will accept chiefs triangular which do not reach past the horizontal tick marks with an artist note. Please instruct the submitter that the chief triangular extends too far into the field. The central point of a chief triangular should reach no more than a third of the way into the field. [4/2010 LoAR, A-Trimaris]

Therefore, we forwarded the device as is.


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10: Cillene O Caollaidhe - New Name & New Device

Argent, a butterfly rising wings addorsed contourny purpure within an orle of trefoils vert

Sound (Sound: Sue Leen Kelly) most important.

Cilléne is an Old Irish male name found in "Index of Names in Irish Annals" by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Cillene.shtml) dated to the 8th and early 9th centuries. According to OCM, it is also a saint's name.

Ó Caollaidhe is a header form in Woulfe at p. 451. This entry gives several italicized Anglicized Irish forms dated to the late 16th and early 17th centuries. This is generally sufficient to give the submitter the benefit of the doubt that the Gaelic header form is registerable.

Gaelic names can be registered without accents as long as the accents are omitted throughout.

At Kingdom, commenters questioned the combination of an Old Irish given name with an Early Modern Irish byname. Cillene is a saint's name. By precedent, "[t]he use of the saint's name removes the temporal disparity, because saint's names are assumed to be available in the name pool of a culture at any time which the saint was known to that culture." [Finnech inghean Labhrainn, 3/2009 LoAR, A-Atlantia].

The device appears clear of the device of Alysande of Greenvale (Mar. 1990, Atenveldt): Argent, a butterfly displayed purpure within an orle of butterflies vert. There is one DC for changing the secondary charges from butterflies to trefoils. There may be a DC for the change in posture between a butterfly displayed and a butterfly rising. We are forwarding this to Wreath for resolution of this question.


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11: Damian Godeshelp - New Name & New Device

Sable, a hammer fesswise reversed and a point pointed argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.

Damian is found in Withycombe s.n. Damian dated to 1205.

Godeshelp is found in Reaney & Wilson s.n. Godhelp dated to 1332.


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12: Demetrio Antelini da Lucca - New Name & New Device

Purpure, on a chevron between three rapiers argent three hops cones inverted palewise vert.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound (given name sound) most important.

Originally submitted as Demetrios Antelini da Lucca, the submitter requested that the given name be changed to Demetrio if it could be documented. As we were able to document the requested given name, we made that change.

Demetrio Canevari (d. 1625) was a late-period Italian physician who published a book in 1602: De ligno sancto commentarium (http://books.google.com/books?id=5oc8AAAAcAAJ). The form Demetrio is found on the cover page. In addition, Demetrio was previously registered as a saint's name in the Italian naming pool. [Demetrio Biagi, June 2004 LoAR, A-Atenveldt].

Antelini is a surname found in "Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names" by Talan Gwynek and Arval Benicoeur (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/venice14sur.html#table).

da Lucca is a locative surname found in "Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names" by Talan Gwynek and Arval Benicoeur (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/venice14sur.html#table).

The pattern [given name] + [family name] + [locative byname] in Italian is found in Appendix A of SENA.

Per the July 2013 LOAR, hop cones default to stems to chief; we have corrected the blazon to indicate that these hop cones are inverted.


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13: Genevieve Grant - New Name & New Device

Purpure, on a bend argent between two butterflies Or three needles threaded purpure and on a chief Or, three roses purpure

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound (Jen-a-veev Grant - cares most about first name) most important.

Genevieve is a female given name found in "Late Period French Feminine Names" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/latefrench.html) dated to 1477, 1478, 1498, 1501 and later.

Grant is a surname found in "French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423, & 1438" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/paris1423surnames.html) dated to 1421 and 1438.


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14: Holt Kincaid - New Name & New Device

Or, two brown otters combatant proper within a bordure vert.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Spelling (preserve Holt; can change Kincaid if needed) most important.

Holt is an early 17th cen. English surname, which can be used as a given name by precedent. [Alton of Grimfells, 4/2010 LoAR, A-East]. It is found in the Family Search Historical Records:

Nicolas Holt; Male; Burial; 15 Apr 1602; Ashley, Stafford, England; Batch: B39598-4

Kincaid is a Scots surname found in Black s.n. Kincaid, with the submitted spelling 1609 and Kyncaid dated to 1510. In Scots as in English, i/y are effectively interchangeable.

English and Scots are part of the same language group under Appendix C of SENA.


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15: Ivan Valfrekr Hroereksson - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2013, via the East

Argent, a chevron inverted between three triquetras inverted one and two sable


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16: Kalos Dymas - New Name & New Device

Sable, a monster with the head and neck of a snake, the body of a deer, the tail of a lion, and the spots of a leopard rampant Or sustaining in its forehooves a sword argent

Sound (like Kah-los Die-mos) most important.

Both name elements are found in the Prosopography of the Byzantine World database.

Kalos is a given name of eight individuals, including Kalos Tourmarchopoulos who appears on a seal dated to the last third of the 11th century or first part of the 12th century. (http://db.pbw.kcl.ac.uk/pbw2011/entity/boulloterion/612)

Dymas is found as the family name of Niketas Dymas in a seal dated to c. 1100. (http://db.pbw.kcl.ac.uk/pbw2011/entity/person/160277)

Correction to Name (2014-Oct-28 22:10:20): The submitter does not care about the gender of the name.


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17: Leofwenn of Wytleseie - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2009, via the East

Gules, in fess two lions statant respectant and a chief doubly enarched Or

The use of a chief doubly enarched is an SFPP under Appendix G of SENA.


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18: Liadan ingen Chineada - New Name & New Device

Per bend purpure and sable, an owl argent maintaining in its dexter talon a sword within a bordure Or

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

Accents have been removed throughout the name, which is permitted under SENA as long as it is done consistently.

Líadan is found in OCM s.n. Líadan as the name of two female saints.

ingen is the Old and Middle Irish patronymic marker meaning "daughter"

Chineada is the lenited genitive form (with accent removed) of the Old and Middle Irish male given name Cináed, which is found in "100 Most Popular Men's Names in Early Medieval Ireland" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/irish100.html). "The Spelling of Lenited Consonants in Gaelic" by Sharon Krossa (http://medievalscotland.org/scotlang/lenition.shtml) indicates that, for pre-1200 Gaelic, names starting with C lenite to Ch.

Correction to Name (2014-Nov-13 17:11:31): If the name must be changed, the submitter cares most about "Language: Gaelic"


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19: Lucius Aurelius Serpentius - New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in February of 2015, via the East.

Old Item: Leo Rennari Thorsson, to be released.
Submitter desires a masculine name.
Spelling (Aurelius Serpentius should not be changed) most important.

Lucius is a Roman praenomen found in "A Simple Guide to Imperial Roman Names" by Ursula Georges (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/roman.html )

Aurelius is a nomen found in the same article (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/roman.html )

Serpentius: W.R. Brownlow (ed.), Roma Sotterranea: or, An account of the Roman catacombs, Vol. 1, p. 171 (http://books.google.com/books?id=amIWAAAAYAAJ) gives the Latin text SEREPENTIVS EMIT LOC M A QUINTO FOSSORE AD SANTVM CRNELIVM, and the translation "Serpentius bought from Quintus the fossor a grave near St. Cornelius." By precedent, Serpentius can be used as a cognomen and is not unique. [Darius Aurelius Serpentius, 9/2010 LoAR, A-East]


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20: Mega Zenjirou Yoshi - New Name Change & New Device

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in February of 2015, via the East.

Gules, a calygreyhound's head cabossed Or.

Old Item: Drogo Bryce of Middlefordshire, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a masculine name.

All the elements of the name are from Solveig's Name Construction in Medieval Japan.

Mega is a Japanese surname dated to 1392 (p.322)

Zenjirou is a Japanese yobina dated to 1600 (p.373)

Yoshi is a Japanese nanori dated to 1572 (p.366)

Pennsic Herald's Point took the position that there should be a DC between stag's head and calygreyhound's head. Please discuss.

Correction to Device (2014-Nov-13 16:11:32): Stupid Blue Tyger forgot to upload the new artwork provided by the submitter. Please consider the artwork below.


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21: Michal Almond de Champagne - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 1993, via the East

Sable, a hanging balance and a foi argent

This badge originally appeared on the August 29, 2014 East Kingdom ILoI with the balance depicted as a standing balance. It was withdrawn with the permission of the submitter to comply with the ban on standing balances.

This badge appears to be clear of the device of Sheldon the Just (May 1989, East): Sable, a set of standing balances and in base an Arabian lamp argent (below). Sheldon's Arabian lamp is clearly a secondary charge, whereas Michal's foi is a co-primary charge.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=449/2014-11-10/21-56-51_SheldontheJust.jpg


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22: Nathaniel Wyatt - New Name & New Device

Per fess azure and Or, a fess indented lozengy Or and azure between two rapiers inverted in saltire Or and a griffon azure

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.

Nathaniel is dated as a masculine given name to 1588 in Julian Goodwyn's "English Names found in Brass Inscriptions" (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/brasses/men.html).

Wyatt is dated as a surname to 1545 in the same article. (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/brasses/lastnameIZ.htm#W).


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23: Nathaniel Wyatt - New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Or, a griffon segreant azure within a bordure counter compony azure and Or.


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24: Richard de Troyes - New Name & New Device

Gules, on a chevron inverted Or three fleurs-de-lys palewise sable

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Language (France) most important.
Culture (France) most important.

Richard is a male given name found in "French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423 & 1438" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/paris1423.html).

de Troyes is a locative byname found in the same article (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/french/paris1423surnames.html) dated to 1438.

Allows adding/deleting a word like "de" or "the" or changing language when the change is small


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25: Rory O'Bran - New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound (roar-ee) most important.

Submitted at Pennsic as Rory O'Bran, the submitter communicated with Blue Tyger requesting that the spelling be changed to Rory if it could be documented. As we were able to document Rory, we have made that change.

Rory appears in "Names Found in Anglicized Irish Documents" by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnglicizedIrish/Masculine.shtml) s.n. Rory dated between 1550 and 1600.

O'Bran -- Tirlagh O Bran appears at p. 113 of the Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records in Ireland, Volume 17, in the Fiants of Elizabeth I as having received a pardon in 1602 (http://books.google.com/books?id=NSwNAAAAYAAJ). There is evidence in Anglicized Irish of O-style names both with and without apostrophes.

The submitter allows adding/deleting a word like "de" or "the" or changing language when the change is small.


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26: Samuel Peter Bump - Resub Name & New Device

Quarterly purpure and sable, a sinister hand in benediction sustaining a sheaf of arrows fesswise reversed argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound (Like 'speed bump') most important.

The submitter's original submission, Samuel Spede Bumpus, was withdrawn during Laurel-level commentary. This is noted on the August 2012 LoAR.

Double given names are permitted in German per Appendix A of SENA.

Samuel is a given name found in "Late Period German Masculine Given Names" by Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/germmasc.html) dated to 1551-1600.

Peter is a given name also found in Talan's article, dated to 1451-1500.

Bump is German surname found in the Family Search Historical Records:

Catharina Bump; Female; Marriage; 03 Dec 1606; Evangelisch, Landau in Pfalz Stadt, Pfalz, Bavaria; Batch: C97235-1


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27: Seosamh Tadgh an Crúca O'Maille - New Release of Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

(Fieldless) Three rapiers in pall inverted tips crossed Or

I, [legal name], known in the SCA as Seosamh Tadgh an Crúca O'Maille hereby release by registered badge (Fieldless) Three rapiers in pall inverted tips crossed Or. I understand that release of registration is permanent.

Signed and dated with legal name.

Correction to Badge (2015-Jan-19 16:01:21): THIS ITEM HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN BY THE SUBMITTER.


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28: Takezaki Daigorou Tokimichi - New Name & New Device

Argent, in pale five delfs voided sable.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Language (Japanese) most important.
Culture (Japanese) most important.

Name structure of <family name><yobina><nanori> is as per NCMJ Rev Ed.

Takezaki is a family name dated to 1332 in NCMJ Rev Ed. p. 327

Daigorou is a masculine birth order yobina. Gorou meaning #5 son is a stem form dated to 1575 in NCMJ Rev Ed. p. 214. Dai (meaning big) is a felicitous prefix properly taking an onyomi readidng The reading DAI for big is dated to 1126 and found in NCMJ Rev Ed. p. 101.

Tokimichi is a masculine nanori dated to 1392 and found in NCMJ Rev Ed. p. 360

In Kingdom commentary, Kihō questioned in commentary whether the second element, Daigorou, is properly constructed. As explained by Kihō:

The example for DAI given, NCMJ 101, is a descriptive element in an era name, not a masculine yobina, and thus I don't find this construction terribly plausible. While there are examples of kanji being prepended to birth-order yobina using the on reading, none of the examples in NCMJ seem very close to this construction to me.

You could do a construction with the same meaning based on the example of Kojirou (small + second son; kun reading descriptive kanji + birth order yobina) datable to 1568, from p. 212. The kun readings of ko, small, and oo, big, are used on similar ways as descriptive elements in feminine given names and surnames (p. 101-102), so I think a construction in this pattern using the kun reading of oo, big, would be plausible. This would get Oogorou (big + fifth son).

Blue Tyger lacks sufficient understanding of Japanese names to assess either Solveig's original work or Kihō's comments. We have forwarded the name unchanged, but with the full commentary from Kingdom, for assistance at the Society level.


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29: Tamitha Fier - New Name & New Device

Per chevron inverted argent and purpure, a compass star pierced within an annulet purpure

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound (Last name sounds like 'fear') most important.

Tamitha is the submitter's legal given name. New York driver's license was seen and attested by Richenda Black Lion and Juliana Siren.

Fier can be found in the Family Search Historical Records:

William Fier; Male; Marriage; 1603;Barley, Hertford, England; Batch: M07212-1, (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJLS-84V).

The use of a compass star is a SFPP under Appendix G of SENA.


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30: Þórfinnr Hróðgeirsson - New Name & New Device

Sable, On a roundel Or a three legged crow sable, in chief seven estoiles in chevron argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Language (Norse ~1250 Norway or Iceland) most important.
Culture (Norse ~1250 Norway or Iceland) most important.

Þórfinnr is found in Geirr Bassi, p. 16 as a masculine given name. The name was originally submitted as Þorfinnr, without the acute accent over the 'o'. Because the use of accents in Old Norse names must be consistent throughout, we have corrected the name to Þórfinnr. This correction is not a major change.

Hróðgeirsson - Hróðgeirr is found in Geir Bassi, p11 as a masculine given name. Patronymic formed according to Geir Bassi p17.

Allows adding/deleting a word like "de" or "the" or changing language when the change is small.

Commenters were concerned about possible conflict with Gwynaeth Math o Ddylluan (July 1974): Sable, a bezant charged with a raven on a branch bendwise all sable. There is a DC for adding a secondary charge group in the form of the estoiles. By precedent, the branch in Gwynaeth's device is considered a second tertiary charge on the bezant and counts for conflicts checking:

Kashiwadebe no Hikojirō. Badge. Sable, on a bezant a lozenge ployé throughout sable.

This badge is not in conflict with the device of Gwynaeth Math o Ddylluan, Sable, a bezant charged with a raven on a branch bendwise all sable. There is a DC for the change in type of tertiary charge. In both April 1990 and July 2002, the branch and the raven were ruled to be equally-weighted tertiary charges, while in March 2000 the branch was ruled to not be worth difference. While such an ambiguous design would likely not be registered today, the rules were different when it was registered in July 1974. We are agreeing with the 1990 and 2002 rulings, and declaring there to be two tertiary charges on Gwynaeth's bezant. There is therefore a DC for change in number of tertiary charges. [12/2013 LoAR, A-East]

Therefore, there is a second DC between this device and Gwynaeth's for a change in the number of tertiary charges, bringing the two pieces of armory clear.


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31: Þórfinnr inn rauði - New Name & New Device

Sable, a cross Or and overall an edelweiss argent seeded Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning (surname meaning 'the red') most important.

Þórfinnr is a male given name found in Geirr Bassi, p16.

inn rauði is a byname found in Geirr Bassi, p26 meaning "red".


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32: Tiberius Iulius Rufus - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2007, via the East

(Fieldless) A lightning bolt palewise between and conjoined to two bees Or

A lightning bolt used outside a thunderbolt is an SFPP


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33: Ulrich van Kathen - New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for 15th century (Germany).
Language (15th century Germany) most important.
Culture most important.

Ulrich - Found in "German Names from 1495" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/german1495.html) s.n. Vlrich, appearing 7 times in that spelling.

van Kathen - Found in "German Names from 1495: Surnames T - Z" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/surnames1495t-z.html) appreaing once in that spelling in Sulme



OSCAR counts 20 New Names, 3 New Name Changes, 23 New Devices and 4 New Badges. These 50 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $150 for them. OSCAR counts 2 Resub Names and 1 Resub Device. These 3 items are not chargeable. There is 1 release, which does not require payment. There are a total of 54 items submitted on this letter.

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