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Outlands LoP dated 2014-10-14

Outlands College of Heralds

October 14, 2014 From the Office of the Castle Herald

Gauvain Eisenbein

castle@outlandsheralds.org

Unto the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 14th day of October, A.S. XLIX (2014 CE), does Lord Gauvain Eisenbein send greetings on behalf of Baron Randal Carrick, White Stag Principal Herald.

Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands' Letter of Presentation for September 2014.

For all resubmissions (names *AND* devices), please include where the previous submission was returned. This makes it dramatically easier to give the submitter credit for the previous submission. As always, I am requesting a text copy of all name write-ups.

Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the herald's commentary list is encouraged. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Please have comments on items contained herein to Rampart Herald by November 18th, 2014, for the decision meeting scheduled for November 19th, 2014. As a reminder, the College of Arms requests commentary on all items, including appeals.

1: Abigail MacNaught -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of May 31, 2014 as submitted.

A gyronny argent and sable, a phoenix gules, in chief Or, three leaves gules

The previous submission, Gyronny sable and argent, a phoenix head to sinister gules issuant from flames proper, was returned on the August 2014 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2014-07-lop/1408-lor.html) with the following: {Returned for conflicts with Morgan Morfydd Gwilym, registered in October of 1982 (via the Middle): Pean, a phoenix displayed gules, issuant from flames, maintaining in its beak a dexter hand couped proper. There is one difference for the background but none for the maintained charge.}

Consulting herald: Selene of the Sky


2: Christoff Trôst -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of June 30, 2014 as Christoff Trost.

Per bend azure and gules, an eagle argent and on a bordure embattled argent, a semy of mullets azure

The previous submission, Per bend azure and gules an eagle displayed and a bordure embattled argent, was returned on the June 2014 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2014-05-lop/1406-lor.html) with the following: {Returned for conflict with Arielle de Chantre (reg. 12/1983 via Meridies), Vert, a dove displayed within a bordure dovetailed argent. There is one DC for the field but none for the type of bordure as both are considered 'square bordures'. This device also needs a redraw as a per bend line needs to begin in the dexter corner.}

Consulting herald: Gauvain Eisenbein


3: Christopher Devereux -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2009, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) Two wyverns sejant respectant tails conjoined sable

Consulting herald: Warrenus de Fulmere

Correction to Device (2014-Oct-15 14:10:08): New Badge


4: Elizabeth Bakere -New Name & New Device

Argent, three annulets interlaced azure

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.

[Elizabeth] - "Late Sixteenth Century English Given Names" Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/eng16/eng16ffreq.html) shows Elizabeth as the most frequent name and "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames Part Two: The Names A-G" Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/reaneyAG.html) dates Elizabeth to 1518, 1524, 1530...1585 and 1600.

[Bakere] - {R&W} s.n. Baker with the desired spelling to 1246. Bakere is also found as the byname of multiple witnesses to a charter dated 30 May, 1 Edward IV, 'Close Rolls, Edward IV: 1461-1462', Calender of Close Rolls, Reward IV: volume 1: 1461-1468 (1949), pp. 98-114.

Consulting herald: Llywus ap Alan


5: Estefania de las Yeguas -New Name & New Device

Azure, a horse sejant bewteen three octofoils argent

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Meaning most important.

[Estefania] - Estefania De Prudo, married 5 May 1567 Spain, batch: M87115-4

(https://familysearch.org/pal:MM9.1.1/FFNY-72G)

[de las Yeguas] - Isabel Da Las Yeguas, married 8 Nov 1566 Spain GS film number 1279689, Digital Folder Number: 004245102, Image Number: 00008, (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VTJM-TZ5) (spelling of the attached microfilm does not capitalize "de las".)

Document link: (https://familysearch.org/.../MM9.../TH-266-11878-54031-75...) (copy attached). The name in question is in the lower left hand corner. (The "Y" at the beginning is very faded, but matches that in "Ysabel", as well as the "s" at the end, which is consistent with other "S's" in the document.) Her father's name "Pedro de las Yeguas" is within the text to the right and is more clearly read. Text verified by Ly Alexandra Vazquez de Granada, Eyas Herald Calontir.

Consulting herald: Eric Morrison

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1489/2014-10-14/23-05-13_estefania1.jpg


6: Felicita Marina Medici -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2012, via the Outlands

Per saltire barry wavy azure and argent and azure, a flower Or

The previous submission, Quarterly per fess barry wavy azure and argent and azure, a quatrefoil Or, was returned on the January 2013 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2012-12-lop/1301-lor.html) with the following: {Returned for lack of identifiability of the central charge. This appears to be modern graphic arts-style bevelling of the charge, making it something between a cross on a cross, or a box of some sort. While it looks very nice, it is not sufficiently describable to be accurately reproduced.}


7: Finn Ua Briain -New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of August 19, 2013 as submitted.

Gyronny arrondi of six vert and argent, three hands sable


8: Jürgen Grünewald -New Name & New Device

Vert, a tree blasted and eradicated Or, a bordure sable

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Meaning most important.

See attached.

Consulting herald: Ciaran Brocc

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1489/2014-10-14/23-18-47_jurgen1.jpg


9: Khalil ibn Tariq al-Ghassani -Resub Device

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Argent, a horse's head couped contourny sable breathing flames Or and on a chief triangular purpure, a sword fesswise Or

The previous submission, Argent, a horse's head couped contourny sable breathing flames proper and on a chief triangular purpure, a sword fesswise and a chalice in pale Or, will be returned on the October 2014 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2014-09-lop/1410-lor.html), primarily for excessive complexity.

Consulting herald: Christopher Devereux


10: Ragnvaldr of Rendlesham -New Name & New Device

Gules, on a bend argent twi triangles points to sinister gules voided and in sinister canton a key and a quill in saltire argent

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

[Ragnvaldr] - masculine given name found in Geirr Bassi, p. 14

[Rendlesham] - placename found in [Mills], p. 286: c. 730 Rendlesham 1086 (DB)

Mixing of Scandinavian and English name elements is allowed via SENA, Appendix C

Consulting herald: Llywus ap Alan

Correction to Name (2014-Oct-29 17:10:10): Submitter desires a male name. His information was accidentally applied to a form that had been previously setup for a female client at an event.

Correction to Device (2014-Oct-15 21:10:53): Blazon should be: Gules, on a bend argent two triangles points to sinister gules voided and in sinister canton a key and a quill in saltire argent


11: Sigfrid von Bremen -New Name & New Device

Per fess sable and azure, a cross formy and in chief three mullets of eight points argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language most important.
Meaning most important.

[Sigfrid] - "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia" Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/bahlow_v.htm) "<Sigfrid>: 1310"

[von Bremen] - "ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 919" Arianwy Prydyddes ferch Cadfael (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?919+0) "we found <von Bremen> in 1342"

Consulting herald: Warenus de Fulmere


12: Soren Thorvaldsson -New Name & New Device

Vert a beehive Or, in a chief indented argent an axe fesswise sable

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.
Language (early period Scandinavian) most important.
Culture (early period Scandinavian) most important.

[Soren] - Submitter's given name

[Thorvaldsson] - "ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 1952" Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?1952)

Consulting herald: Safiyya

Correction to Name (2014-Oct-19 16:10:15): THIS IS A RESUBMISSION. Submitter is willing to donate his funds to the Outlands' College of Heralds. He thought he had to pay to resubmit since it had been over 7 years.

His name and device, Vert, a beehive Or, on a chief argent two axes in saltire sable, were returned on the June 2007 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2007-05-lop/0706-lor.html) with the following:

{Gender: Male. The client cares most about the language/culture of the name, and is interested in having an authentic Swedish/Scandinavian name (period not specified).

[Soren]: Academy of St. Gabriel Report 1952 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/1952.txt) states this name is derived from the name of St. Severinus, found in Denmark from1400 on. It is found in the spelling [Søren] in 1403-1540, though [Sewryn] and [Sewren] were more common in the period. The name came to Norway ca. 1440 as [Søren], and was likely in use in Sweden by the 16th Century.

[Thorvaldsson]: Academy of St. Gabriel Report 3090 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/3090.txt) documents [Þorvaldr] as a 9th-10th-century Norwegian/Icelandic masculine name.

Rampart Notes: The client should please remember that summary of documentation should be just that, not simply a list of links to review. A summary should explain the origin and date and documentation source of each name element, as well as the explanation and documentation of the overall name structure. Failure to do so can result in return, even if the listed links explain this. Someone has to do this summary before it gets to Laurel, and it is primarily the responsibility of the submitter to see that it is complete.

Commenters indicate that the two names are beyond the 3 century rule of thumb for temporal compatibility. Commenters could find no documentation to indicate that [Søren] was used prior to the 15th C. or that [Þorvaldr] was used after the 11th C.

Name returned for lack of documentation.

The axes in the device partially overlie the field, and need to be corrected to be completely contained within the chief. The device appears to be clear of conflict at this time.

Device returned for redraw and lack of name.}

Correction to Device (2014-Oct-19 16:10:59): THIS IS A RESUBMISSION. See Name for details.


Thus ends the October 2014 Letter of Presentation.

In Service,

Gauvain Eisenbein

Castle Herald


OSCAR counts 6 Names and 12 Devices. There are a total of 18 items submitted on this letter.

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