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Outlands LoP dated 2014-08-19

Outlands College of Heralds

August 18, 2014 From the Office of the Castle Herald

Gauvain Eisenbein

castle@outlandsheralds.org

Unto the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 18th day of August, A.S. XLIX (2014 CE), does Lord Gauvain Eisenbein send greetings on behalf of Baron Randal Carrick, White Stag Principal Herald.

Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands' Letter of Presentation for August 2014.

For all resubmissions (names *AND* devices), please include where the previous submission was returned. Without this, it is very difficult to verify the previous submission, leading to a pend. Any errors on this letter are Castle's fault, except for the submissions from Caer Galen - those are all White Stag's doing. As always, I am requesting a text copy all name write-ups.

Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the herald's commentary list is encouraged. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Please have comments on items contained herein to Rampart Herald by September 16th, 2014, for the decision meeting scheduled for September 17th, 2014. As a reminder, the College of Arms requests commentary on all items, including appeals.

1: Adelina de Surdeval -New Name & New Device

Per pale vert and argent, three bats displayed one and two counterchanged

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

[Adelina] - "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames" Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/reaneyAG.html) Given name dated to 1086.

[de Surdeval] - Locative surname. Specific spelling dated to 1305 and found in the UK National Archives, catalogue reference number SC 8/275/13736 (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C9517683). Copies attached.

Consulting Herald: Christopher Devereux

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1489/2014-08-18/23-15-17_adelina1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1489/2014-08-18/23-15-19_adelina2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1489/2014-08-18/23-15-20_adelina3.jpg


2: Agatha Justsson -New Name & New Device

Vert, a peacock closed and a six point mullet argent

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound (Scandanavian) most important.

[Agatha] - St. Andrews/Scandanavian Names

[Justsson] - Rampart Herald suggestion this year for Olek & Sven Justsson rather than Justeson

Consulting Herald: Geua filia Guy

Correction to Name (2014-Aug-23 19:08:57): The submitter - based on commentary - has decided to go with Agatha Justsdatter.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1489/2014-08-18/23-20-28_agatha1.jpg


3: Balthazar von Knopf -New Name & New Device

Per fess rayonne gules and azure, two armoring hammers in saltire and a steel breastplate argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound (German) most important.
Language (German) most important.
Culture (German) most important.
Spelling (German) most important.

[Balthazar] - Multiple instances found in "Names from Antwerp, 1443-1561" Aryanhwy merch Catmael and Kymma Godric (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/dutch/plaiser.html).

[Knopf] - "The Armorer and His Craft" Charles Ffoulkes. Scans attached.

[Koppff] - Will accept as an alternative to "Knopf". Found in "German Names from N├╝rnberg, 1497" Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/nurnberg1497.html).

Correction to Name (2014-Aug-24 10:08:42): Balthazar Knopf

Submitter agreed to the change to drop <von> as it is a locative marker and Knopf is not a location.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1489/2014-08-18/23-31-25_balthazar1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1489/2014-08-18/23-31-25_balthazar2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1489/2014-08-18/23-31-26_balthazar3.jpg


4: Bernardo de' Medici -New Name & New Device

Gyronny sable and Or, a decrescent sable on a sun argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Language (15th century Italy (Florence)) most important.
Culture (15th century Italy (Florence)) most important.

[Bernardo] - Given name found in "Names in 15th Century Florence and her Dominions: the Condado" Juliana de Luna (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/condado/)

[de' Medici] - Common surname in 15th century Florence per "Academy of St. Gabriel Report 1093" Walraven van Nijmegen (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/1093.txt)

Consulting Herald: Christopher Devereux


5: Bianca de Vittoria -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of April 30, 2014 as submitted.

Argent, on a pile purpure between two pryphons sable, a sun in his splendor Or

The previous submission, Argent, on a pile purpure between two gryphons combattant sable, a sun in his splendor Or, was returned on the April 2014 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2014-03-lop/1404-lor.html) with the following: {Returned for a redraw as a proper pile should almost reach the bottom of the field.}


6: Caer Galen, Barony of -Resub Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2004, via the Outlands

Order of the Hedgehog

Meaning (the animal) most important.

Submitter's previous submission, the Order of the Foal, was returned on the December 2005 LoAR, stating

This order name was based on the meta-pattern for order names, Order of the [heraldic charge]. However, precedent holds that heraldic titles are not registerable if they are based on unregisterable charges:

[West, Kingdom of. Heraldic title Point Dexter Pursuivant.] ...the dexter point, which John Guillim, A DISPLAY OF HERALDRIE, calls a point dexter, is not a registerable charge:

Although all three `points' are mentioned in heraldic tracts, in practice only the base one appears to have been used; and even in the tracts, the dexter and sinister points are described as abatements of honor, to be used separately, and not in conjunction." [Katherine Sunhair, April, 1992]

It seems illogical to allow the registration of a heraldic title based on a heraldic charge that cannot be registered (April, 2005, West)

This principal is equally applicable to order names. We do not register baby animals, with the exceptions of lambs :

As a rule, baby animals are not used in SCA heraldry: they're visually indistinguishable from adult animals, and period examples of their use are rare. Lambs appear to be an exception: not only is the Paschal lamb often found in period armory, but lambs were used for canting purposes (e.g. the arms of Lambert --- or the current submission)." (Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme, LoAR October 1992, p. 12)

Because a foal is not registerable as a heraldic charge, the order name Order of the Foal is, likewise, not registerable.

This submission is a complete change

This order name follows the general meta-pattern of <heraldic charge> as per the 08/05 LoAR CL and follows the grammatical pattern of <creature>, ie Greyhound (1416), Eagle (1433), Porcupine (1394). Source: Project Ordensnamen by Meradudd Cethin (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order).

Further, the hedgehog is a period heraldic charge, know alternately as a hedgehog, urchin, herisson, or herizon (in the canting arms of some families of Harris). [Brooke-Little], p.213, header "urchin"


7: Caer Galen, Barony of -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2004, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) A bell purpure

This submission is to be associated with Order of the Book and Harp


8: Caer Galen, Barony of -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2004, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) A chalice Or

This submission is to be associated with Order of Saint William the Cooper


9: Caer Galen, Barony of -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2004, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) A crozier azure

This submission is to be associated with Order of Saint Louis with the Staff


10: Caer Galen, Barony of -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2004, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) A dagger in bend sinister sable

This submission is to be associated with l'Ordre du Poignard Noir


11: Caer Galen, Barony of -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2004, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) A fireball gules enlamed proper

This submission is to be associated with Order of Saint Michael with the Harp


12: Caer Galen, Barony of -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2004, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) A monkey rampant to sinister azure, collared and chained Or

This submission is to be associated with Order of the Monkey


13: Caer Galen, Barony of -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2004, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) A nightengale volant in bend sinister Or

This submission is to be associated with Order of the Golden Nightengale


14: Caer Galen, Barony of -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2004, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) Two goats climant respectant conjoined at the forhooves sable

This submission is to be associated with Order of the Arch


15: Caer Galen, Barony of -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2004, via the Outlands

Azure, in pale a harp and a chalice Or

This submission is to be associated with Order of the Harp and Chalice


16: Ezabel de Vaux -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2000, via the Outlands

(fieldless) An oak tree eradicated per fess Or fructed vert and gules

Consulting Herald: Eric Morrison


17: Isabella di Francesca Ambrosini -Resub Device

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Per chevron inverted sable and or a needle threaded point to base Or and two fleurs gules

Castle could not find the previous submission.

Consulting Herald: Geua filia Guy

Correction to Device (2014-Aug-19 19:08:11): Isabella di Francesco Ambrosini


18: Isleif of Bloodstone -New Name & New Device

Per chevron inverted embattled argent and counter ermine, in chief a heart gules

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (Old Norse) most important.
Culture (Old Norse) most important.

[Isleif] - Old Norse female form of "Isleifr" (www.nordicnames.de)

Will also accept "Aesileif"

[Bloodstone] - Canton of Bloodstone, Outlands

Correction to Device (2014-Aug-26 09:08:30): This device has been withdrawn by submitter for a rework.


19: Leifr Einarsson -New Name & New Device

Sable, on a lozenge gules fimbriated, a serpent in annulo vorant of its own tail within an orle Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

[Leifr] - Found in [Geirr Bassi], p.13.

[Einarsson] - "Einar" is found in [Geirr Bassi], p. 9. -sson is added to form the genitive per [Geirr Bassi].


20: Margaret von Nordhusen -New Name & New Device

Per chevron purpure and argent, three crescents interlaced in pall inverted, horns outward, and a open book counterchanged

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.
Spelling most important.

[Margaret] - Found in "German Names from 1495" Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/german1495.html)

[Nordhusen] - Period spelling for the modern town of Nordhausen in Germany. Found in Brechenmacher under names beginning with Nord-, referenced as such in the September 2009 LoAR on page 20 (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/09/09-09lar.html).

Consulting Herald: Christopher Devereux

Device submission lists name as "Margret". Castle assumes this is a typo.

Consulting Herald: Warenus de Fulmere


21: Mark Antoine de la Rue -Resub Device

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Per chevron azure and sable, two winged lions sejant respectant, with forelegs raised and a moon in her plenitude argent

The previous submission, Per chevron azure and sable, two winged lions sejant respectant, with forelegs raised and a moon in her plenitude argent was returned on the April 2014 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2014-03-lop/1404-lor.html) with the following: {Returned a redraw as the per chevron line is too low but too high to be a point. Commentors also note that the lions' heads have too much detailing. The heads look more sable than argent.}

Correction to Device (2014-Aug-19 19:08:18): Marc Antoine de la Rue


22: Meinhard von Nordhusen -New Name & New Device

Argent, in fess a tower between two wings sable, all within a bordure embattled purpure

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.
Spelling most important.

[Meinhard] - Given name dated to 1360 found in "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia" Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/bahlow_v.htm)

[Nordhusen] - Period spelling for the modern town of Nordhausen in Germany. Found in Brechenmacher under names beginning with Nord-, referenced as such in the September 2009 LoAR on page 20 (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/09/09-09lar.html).

Consulting Herald: Christopher Devereux


23: Miriam Volpe -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2013, via the Outlands

Or, a rose sable, barbed and seeded proper, on a chief vert, three ivy leaves Or

Consulting Herald: Ciaran Brocc


24: Thorvald Hilgedick -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of June 30, 2014 as submitted.

Argent, per chevron azure a raven migrant and two heraldic roses slipped and leaved counterchanged

Previous submission, Per chevron argent and azure, two roses in profile palewise embowed slipped and leaved and a raven migrant to chief counterchanged was returned on the June 2014 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2014-05-lop/1406-lor.html) with the following: {Returned for a redraw as this device has two elements that are a step from period practice which is disallowed per SENA A.1.A.1 (http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A1). Birds migrant are a SFPP per the March 2014 LOAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/03/14-03lar.html#95), and garden roses in profile are a SFPP per the October 2012 LOAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/10/12-10lar.html#190).}

Consulting Herald: Geua filia Guy


Thus ends the August 2014 Letter of Presentation. Love, luck and lollipops.

In Service,

Gauvain Eisenbein

Castle Herald


OSCAR counts 8 Names, 1 Order Name, 13 Devices and 10 Badges. There are a total of 32 items submitted on this letter.

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