This item was on the 05-2014 LoAR
5: Isaac Atwater of Tweed - New Name & New Device
Argent on a fess sable between two boars passant to sinister gules, three towers argent
Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.
Submitter's previous name, Isaac Fulk Hod, was returned on the April 2012 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2012-03-lop/1204-lor.html) because the submitter withdrew it based on internal commentary - concerns about how it sounded.
[Isaac] - 'Isaac Family Crest and History' (http://houseofnames.com/isaac-family-crest); there is a page of Isaac listings from familysearch.org, scan below
[Atwater] - 'Atwater Family Crest and History' (http://houseofnames.com/atwater-family-crest); there are two pages of Atwater listings from familysearch.org, scans below; 'The Internet Surname Database: Atwater' (http://www.surnamedb.com/surname/atwater)
[Tweed] - No Documentation, only a note stating it is a river.
Additional Documentation provided by Goutte d'Eau, Eastern Crown,Magnus von Lübeck, and Green Anchor:
<Isaac> appears in:
Late Sixteenth Century English Given Names: Alphabetical Name List by Talan Gwynek
<An Atwater> married 1587, Kent, England. Batch no. M04684-1
<Elizabeth Atwater> married 1595, Hampshire, England. Batch no. M13935-1
Could <of Tweed> be the modern Lingua Anglica form of a locative byname?
Dictionary of Tudor London Names by Sara L. Uckelman
has <Tweddyll> 1541 "from the valley of the Tweed"
Index of Scots names found in Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue: Tweed by Sara L. Uckelman
has <of Twedy> 1488.
<the watter of Tuede> is referred to in a Scots-language parliamentary record dated 16 February 1484 in the Records of the Parliaments of Scotland to 1707 database (http://www.rps.ac.uk/).
An English surname can be derived from a river name.
[July 2007 LoAR, A-West]
Quentyn Arey. Name
Reaney and Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames, s.n. Airey, derives this surname from a river name, and date the spelling Arey to 1522.
Reaney and Wilson give:
<Robert de Twedhall'> 1279
<John de Tweddale> 1376
"Man from the valley of the Tweed"
<Finlay de Twydyn> 1296
<Walter de Twydi> 1303
"From the lands of Tweedie in Stonehouse (Lanark)."
So, Tweedie is south of Glasgow, instead of relating to the river?
R&W does also have some river-based locative bynames though:
<Robert de Deuerel> undated
<Peter de Deverell> ca. 1240
"These... are named from the River Deverill."
<John de Hwmbre> 1305
Either two places called Humber, or the River Humber.
<John de Derwente> 1279
"From the River Derwent"
also sn. Darwen:
<Syward de Derewent> 1246
"From Darwen... on the River Derwent."
<John de Sowe> 1203
"From the River Sow" or the placename Sowe.
<Alexander at þe Medewaye> 1302
<John atte Medeweie> 1327
"Dweller by the River Medway."
<Roger atte Yeo> 1333
"Dweller by a river"
Isaac's use as a surname is irrelevant here. Withycombe documents this spelling from 1273. Save paper: use No Copy Required references. Reaney & Wilson's entry for "Attwater, Atwater" cites William Atewatr' from 1198 and Marye Atwaters from 1660.
Anne Tweed was married in 1577: Name: Willi Crakell Spouse's Name: Anne Tweed Event Date: 22 Sep 1577 Event Place: Pickhill With Roxby,York,England Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01092-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 0496809 IT 1, 207569 -- "England Marriages, 1538-1973 ," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVBC-B24 : accessed 18 Jan 2014), Willi Crakell and Anne Tweed, 22 Sep 1577.
The Tweed is indeed a river - Ekwall, sn. Tweed shows a number of period spellings from early period, none of which are relevant to this submission. Reaney & Wilson, sn Tweedale show John de Tweddale dated 1376 "Man from the valley of the Tweed".
Submitter's previous device, Argent on a fess sable between two boars passant to sinister gules, three towers argent, was returned on the April 2012 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2012-03-lop/1204-lor.html) because the submitter withdrew it along with his name submission.