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Outlands LoI dated 2013-09-21

From the Office of Rampart Herald

Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a (Nicole Riviezzo)

rampart@outlandsheralds.org

Unto the Sovereigns and members of the College of Arms of the Society, does Khalidah bint Yahya'a, Rampart Herald send her greetings.

What follows is the September 2013 Letter of Intent for the Kingdom of the Outlands.

I would like to thank GMCGIHCNDS, Eastern Crown, Orle, Goutte d'Eau, Schwarzdrachen, Lions Blood, and all of the heralds who were kind enough to contribute comments on OSCAR.

It is my intent to register this September the following items from the Outlands College of Heralds.

This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

1: Ábíörn Hallstenson - New Name & New Device

Sable, two bendlets Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Culture (Viking/Norse) most important.

[Ábíörn] - 'Viking Answer Lady Webpage - Old Norse Names' (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONNames.shtml), pgs. 1-2 of 12

[Hallstenson] - 'Viking Answer Lady Webpage - Old Norse Men's Names' (http://www.vikinganswerladry.com/ONMensNames.shtml), Hallsteinn, Halsten, Hallr

Goutte d'Eau has provided additional documentation:

<snip>

<Oluff Hallstensønn> 1561 http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst.prl?b=13442&s=n&str=Hallsten%

And for spelling with only one -s- and a single -n:

<Asbiørn Biornson> ca. 1560-1570 http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst.prl?b=11880&s=n&str=%nson

<Iesper ionson> 1560 http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/middelalder/diplom_vise_tekst.prl?b=17918&s=n&str=%nson

Svenskt Diplomatariums huvudkartotek över medeltidsbreven has: <Knut Hallztennson>, SDHK-nr: 10897, 1376

http://fmpro.ra.se/ra/medeltid/pdf/10897.pdf


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

2: Alamanda de la Roca - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2010, via the Outlands

Per chevron azure and argent two mullets of eight points Or and a salamander passant regardant sable enflamed proper

Submitter's previous device, Per chevron azure and argent two mullets of eight points argent and a salamander passant regardant sable enflamed proper, was returned on the March 2013 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/03/13-03lar.html) with the following:

{This device is returned for conflict with the device of Deporodh of Rannoch, reblazoned elsewhere on this letter as Per chevron azure and argent, two mullets argent and a birch leaf vert, the device of Kirsten Thorsteinsdottir, Per chevron azure and argent, two compass stars argent and a lion's head erased gules, and the device of Alrikr af Stjarnaheimi, Per chevron throughout azure and argent, two compass stars and a pithon embowed counterchanged. In all cases there is only one DC for the changes to only half of the primary charge group. As the bottommost of three charges is considered a special case "half" of the charge group under SENA A5C2d, any changes to it may only receive a maximum of one DC. Even though it has changed in both type and tincture, we still can only count it as one DC.}

Submitter's previous device, Per chevron azure and argent, three mullets of eight point one and two argent and a salamander rampant sable, was returned on the April 2012 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2012-03-lop/1204-lor.html) with the following:

{Return for re-draw. This device is not on the standard shield shape from the approved forms, so it makes it hard to tell, but the line of division is way too low on the field. (Using the guides on the standard form, the chevron should have as much of the point above the horizontal marks as it has below at the sides). Further, the mullets are too small to really be considered co-primary. Finally, the charge at the bottom was not readily identified as a salamander, being described as the Geico Gecko or a ferret. If this is to be a heraldic salamander it needs flames. If it is to be a natural salamander it needs to either be tergiant or drawn very carefully, with appropriate detailing, in order to allow the viewer to distinguish it from a weasel or ferret.}

Submitter's previous device, Per chevron azure and argent two mullets of eight points argent and a salamander rampant sable enflamed proper, was returned on the September 2012 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2012-08-lop/1209-lor.html) with the following:

{Returned for redraw. This is not a proper rendition of flames proper. Flames proper are alternating tongues of gules and Or. Flames Or fimbriated gules (which is the closest to what this is) have been disallowed for decades now. Acceptable images of an heraldic salamander enflamed can be seen here: https://oscar.sca.org/cImages/54/2012-08-09/14-44-16_Salamander.jpg and here: https://oscar.sca.org/cImages/520/2012-08-09/19-16-47_Alamanda%20de%20la%20Roca2_Color.jpg }

Submitter has previously given documentation for the style of salamander used, scans included below.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2013-09-21/15-03-01_alamanda1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2013-09-21/15-03-02_alamanda2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2013-09-21/15-03-02_alamanda3.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2013-09-21/15-03-03_alamanda4.jpg


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

3: Anabel la clergesse - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.

[Anabel] - 'Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames: Annabel' Talan Gwynek (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Annabel), Anabel, dated from 1204-1312

[la clergesse] - 'Occupational By-Names in the 1292 Tax Role of Paris' Colm Dubh (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/parisbynames.html)


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

4: Aodhan mac Roibeard - New Name & New Device

Or, a pilgrim's staff bendwise sinister between two martlets gules

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for 11th-14th Scotch Gaelic.
Culture (Scottish Gaelic) most important.

[Aodhan] - 'ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 1626' (http://www.s-gabriel.org/1626)

[mac Raibeart] - 'ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 2875' (http://www.s-gabriel.org/2875)

Submitter has provided copies from a book for additional documentation, scans below.

Based on the commentary provided at Kingdom by Eastern Crown, the submitter agreed to change Raibeart to Roibeard:

<Aodhan> is a diminutive of <Aodh>; <Aodh> is found in "Scottish Gaelic Given Names" (Draft in Progress Edition), by Effric neyn Kenyeoch vc Ralte (http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/gaelicgiven/men/aodh.shtml) dated to 1408.

The cited St. Gabriel Report does not support <Raibeart> - it supports <Roibert>, <Roiberd> and <Roibeard>.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2013-09-21/15-08-12_aodhan1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2013-09-21/15-08-14_aodhan2.jpg


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

5: Baldric le Normaund - New Name & New Device

Gules, a chalice between three swans naiant argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for 12th-14th Century.
Meaning most important.

[Baldric] - 'Subsidy Roll 1292- Cripplegate Ward Extra' (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=31918&strquery=le%20Normaund), #7 Baudry le tannere and footnote; 'Taverham Hundred - Taverham' (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=78722&strquery=baldric); 'Taverham Hundred - Felthorp' (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=78705&strquery=baldric)

[le Normaund] - 'Subsidy Roll 1292- Cripplegate Ward Extra' (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=31918&strquery=le%20Normaund), #5 Joh' Normand and footnote

Schwarzdrachen has provided additional documentation:

<John le Normaund> is given as another reference to the <Joh' Normand> in the 1292 subsidy, dated to 1297-8.

The citations of <Baldric> in An Essay towards a Topographical History of the County of Norfolk: volume 10 are of no use to us: I don't see any evidence that Blomefield retained the original spellings when writing his book. There is a Latin <Baldricus> dated to 1165 in my "Names from the Cartularium of Saint-Bertin" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/saint-bertin.html), but the vernacular of this would be <Baldrich>, not <Baldric>.


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

6: Caitilín inghean Uí Thaidhg - New Name & New Device

Gules, a rose argent between three crescents Or

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Client requests authenticity for 12th-15th Century Irish Gaelic.
Meaning (First name shortens to 'Kate', 'Taidhg' meaning 'Bard') most important.

[Caitilín] - 'Index of Names in Irish Annals: Caitilín' Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Caitilin.shtml)

[Tadhg] - 'Index of Names in Irish Annals: Tadc/Tadhg' Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Tadc.shtml)

An additional 'h' was added to the surname based on commentary at Kingdom by Schwarzdrachen and Aldyrne.


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

7: Conall Mór MacNachtan - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2009, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) A stag's attire conjoined to itself in annulo tines outward Or overall a lightning bolt bendwise sinister argent

This submission is to be associated with Conall Mór MacNachtan

Submitter notes that a period example of the charge, A stag's attire conjoined to itself in annulo tines outward, can be found in the Zurich Roll, plate #270 (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ZurichRoll/)


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

8: Dairine of Oak Hill - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2000, via Meridies

(Fieldless) On a goute per pale sable and argent a duck naiant Or

This submission is to be associated with Dairine of Oak Hill


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

9: Dairine of Oak Hill - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2000, via Meridies

Per pale argent and sable, on a goute counterchanged a duck naiant Or

This submission is to be associated with Dairine of Oak Hill


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

10: Dairine of Oak Hill - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2000, via Meridies

Per pale sable and argent in pale a pavillion and a wheel of fourteen spokes counterchanged the wheel's hub surmounted by a rose gules

This submission is to be associated with Dairine of Oak Hill


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

11: Drustanus Artorius Cato - New Name & New Device

Gules, a scorpion tergiant inverted Or between three roses argent barbed and seeded proper

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning most important.

[Drustanus] - 'Britannia EBK Biographies: Tristram, King of Lyonesse (born c.530)' (http://www.britannia.com/bios/ebk/tristln.html)

[Artorius] - 'LEGIO XX -- The Twentieth Legion -- ROMAN NAMES' (http://www.larp.com/legioxx/nomina.html)

[Cato] - 'Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)' (http://www.roman-empire.net/republic/cato-e.html)

Eastern Crown has provided additional documentation:

<Drustanus> is found in a 6th cen. memorial stone with a Latin inscription reading "DRUSTANUS HIC IACIT CUNOMORI FILIUS" described at p. 240 "The Archaeology of Celtic Britain and Ireland, C. AD 400-1200" by Lloyd Robert Laing (http://books.google.com/books?id=AcDmHwcv4jMC)


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

12: Jǫrundr inn magri - New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister Or and sable, a bear sejant to sinister, two arrows crossed counterchanged

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for 10th-11th Century Norse Viking.
Culture (10th-11th Century Norse Viking) most important.
Meaning (thin/skinny) most important.

[Jörundr] - 'Viking Names found in the Landnámabók' Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://s-gabriel.org/names/aryanhwy/names/landnamabok.html)

[inn magri] - 'Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók' Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/vikbynames.html)

Documentation clarification was provided by Schwarzdrachen:

Huh! That's an out of date version of my Landnamabok article which shouldn't even exist any more. I will be removing it shortly. You'll want to cite the current version, at http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html, which does not have <Jörundr> but rather <Jǫrundr>.


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

13: Killian MacKenzie - New Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 1998, via the Outlands

Argent, a fess between two cinquefoils purpure and a thistle proper slipped and leaved vert

Old Item: Argent, a chevron between in chevron two forget-me-nots azure slipped and leaved vert and a wolf couchant azure, to be retained as a badge.

Submitter's previous device change, Argent, a cinquefoil and a bordure purpure, was returned on the June 2013 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2013-05-lop/1306-lor.html) due to the following:

{Unfortunately, these beautiful arms conflict with Alyanora of Vinca (reg. 02/1975 via the West), "Argent, a periwinkle [Vinca minor] proper." There is a DC for the bordure, but none for the tincture of the flower, since Alyanora's periwinkle conflicts with both roses purpure and roses azure: "Per the May 2000 LoAR, 'Periwinkles are bluish purple and by current precedent (see the September 1996 LoAR, pg. 17 ...) they are not significantly different from either blue or purple roses.'" [LoAR 11/2003]. This also conflicts with Regina O'Duncan (reg. 05/2008 via An Tir), "Argent masoned sable, a violet purpure slipped and leaved vert seeded Or within a bordure purpure," with a DC for the field, but none for the type of flower.}


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

14: Lilliana Le Grant - New Name & New Device

Per pale argent and Or, in saltire two lightning bolts sable overall a heart gules

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Client requests authenticity for French.
Sound most important.

[Lilliana] - <Lillian Freeman> was baptized in Worcester in 1608 (IGI CO4019-2) <Lilliana> would be the expected Latinized form.

[Le Grant] - Morlet Picarde has <Le Grant> in 13 th C, 1300, 1321, 1322, 1340, 1404, 1448.

NB: While this surname is grammatically masculine, it could be used by a woman as an inherited surname.

Submitter's previous name, Liliana le Graunt, was returned on the July 2004 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2004-06-lop/0407-lor.html) with the following:

{This name is being returned for issues with the name Liliana. Basically, to document this as an Italian name in a Scottish name source, especially when undated, is stretching for documentation, especially when others have failed to find suitable documentation for this name previously. In particular, I find this quote from that source to be less than encouraging, "Lily, Gaelic Lilidh, has itself been used as a Christian name, especially when flower names were in vogue from 1880 onwards." [emphasis mine] The Academy of St. Gabriel articles 1859, 1550, and 1336 fairly clearly describe the similar names which are documented to this time period and describes the issues with the use of Liliana (and variants). However, as any of them seemed farther from the submitted name than even a major change, this is being returned so that the submittor can decide where to go from here.}

Submitter's previous device, Argent, two lightning bolts in saltire sable surmounted by a heart gules, a bordure engrailed sable, was returned on the July 2004 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2004-06-lop/0407-lor.html) with the following:

{The device is being returned for either a redraw or as a conflict. As drawn, the lightning bolts are definitely not the primary charge - the heart is. As such, it has a conflict with Bordermarch, Barony of, Argent, a heart gules and a sinister tierce raguly sable, with only one CD for changing the tierce to a bordure. If it were redrawn so that the lightning bolts were much large and the heart much smaller, this conflict would go away (though another might possibly appear).}


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

15: Pettronella Pártaszövõ - New Name Change From Holding Name

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in December of 2013, via the Outlands.

Old Item: Pettronella of Caer Galen, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a feminine name.

[Pettronella Pártaszövõ] - 'Hungarian Feminine Names' Walraven van Nijmegen (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/magfem2.html#frequent)

Additional documentation and commentary was provided by Kolosvari Arpadne Julia:

Walraven's "Hungarian Feminine Names" dates Pettronella to 1556; the corresponding entry in Kázmér (s.n. Serjéni) shows that it's in Hungarian context: Serÿenÿ pettronella. (Ditto for the other cite, under the same heading: 1571 Serÿenÿ Petronÿa.) I wouldn't expect the Latin version of the name to be any different, really, so this is a case where either order (surname first or last) makes sense.

Kázmér s.n. Pártaszövő has four citations, all from the same Transylvanian source; they're probably all references to the same woman: 1568 parta zewǫ katalinak, 1570 partha zewě Katalin, 1572 partha zeowe katalin, 1574 partazeowe Katalin. It's an occupation, "headdress-weaver" or thereabouts. (I'm thinking this Katherine made the period antecedents of the things these girls are wearing: http://magyarmuzeum.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Kalotaszegi-l%C3%A1nyok.jpeg)

The modern spelling of the surname is technically not impossible in period -- there are examples of all the parts -- but as a whole, it strikes me as exceedingly unlikely. (Like, strike me twice with lightning unlikely.) Of the period versions, the last (partazeowe) seems both closest to the submitted form and easiest to live with in Anglophone-land.


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

16: Randal Carrick - Resub Badge Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2001, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) A carrot Or, leaved vert, enfiled of a coronet argent

Old Item: (Fieldless) A carrot Or, leaved vert, to be released.

Submitter's previous badge change, Argent, a sword purpure and overall a roundel sable charged with two pallets wavy argent, was returned on the July 2006 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2006/07/06-07lar.html) with the following:

{This badge is returned for redesign. The careful placement of the pallets to outline the sword's blade make the blade itself appears to be a wavy blade. This is visually confusing, thus the badge violates the tenets of RfS VII.7.a - Identification Requirement and RfS VIII.3 - Armorial Identifiability. As the emblazon is unlikely to recreated from the blazon, this also violates RfS VII.7.b - Reconstruction Requirement.}


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

17: Ronan Wulf - New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of March 26, 2013 as submitted.

Argent, three chevronelles sable gules and sable between three wolves rampant to sinister gules

Submitter's previous device, Argent, a chevron sable between 3 wolves rampant gules, a bordure sable, was returned on the March 2013 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2013-02-lop/1303-lor.html) with the following:

{This must be returned for style issues. Both the Chevron and the Bordure are significantly too thin. The chevron worse so than the bordure. What is depicted here is a "Chevronelle." The SCA does not register single deminutive charges. The lack of clarity of the primary charge/primary charge group is the primary reason for return. Therefore, to fix it: A second Chevronelle of about the same size would be necessary to make it two (or more) chevronelles. OR The chevron is the primary and central charge. Therefore it should hold the most weight of anything on the device. In which case the chevron should be twice to three times as thick as it is. The bordure is too thin and should be about twice as thick. The bordure issue would not have been enough to return the device on its own. The wolves can shrink to fit the available space. They are secondary charges - therefore not primary. Make sure identifyability is maintained as they are sized to fit.}

Commentors at Kingdom were undecided on how to properly blazon the configuration of the chevronelles so we'll leave it to Wreath to decide. There seemed to be no issue with the emblazon itself, just how to blazon it.


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

18: Saito Takauji - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2006, via the Outlands

Or, on a pale sable three cherry blossoms Or


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

19: Saito Takauji - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2006, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) Five cherry blossoms conjoined in annulo Or

There was a great deal of debate about the emblazon's presumptioness in regards to a wreath of roses:

Etienne Le Mons (Vexillum) at 2013-08-09 22:07:58

This looks like a wreath of roses.

Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Schwarzdrachen) at 2013-08-12 04:28:41

I agree.

Andreas von Meißen (Rowel) at 2013-08-14 02:23:49

Thirded.

Conrad von Zollern (Stag's Attire) at 2013-08-14 14:38:35

Agreed. SENA A.6.B.2. Armory Presumption, Reserved Charges

Dorcas Whitecap (Gold Falcon) at 2013-08-18 14:46:57

Hmmm. I don't see a wreath of flowers, probably because the outside edge doesn't seem to make a circle. There are 5 flowers, and their outside edge, especially in the color-corrected blobby version, make a pentagon. Also, is there some minimum number of things that are required before something is a wreath? If there were 3 or 4 blossoms in some kind of conjoined arrangement, would that still look like a wreath? I agree that flower-things conjoined in annulo get more wreathlike as the number increases, but 5?

Saito Takauji at 2013-09-14 17:00:12

As embarrassing as it is to comment on one's own badge, I plow forward. A number of heralds agreed with Gold Falcon that it did not present as a wreath to them, and the most common responses why were:

1) It's not a circle

2) There is no underlying greenery.

The following precedents seem relevant here:

[Gules, on a pale between two vols argent, three chaplets of four arum lilies sable.] This is returned for redraw as the chaplets of lilies are not identifiable. They aren't true chaplets, being more like "four lilies conjoined in annulo", which distorts them to the point that we couldn't identify them. Charges must be identifiable, per RfS VII.7.a. [Branwen ferch Gruffudd Rhodri, 07/05, R-Outlands] (http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elisabeth/armory.html#WREATH)

* This is relevant because, to me, it points out there is a difference between 'four lilies conjoined in annulo' and a chaplet/wreath.

[Sable, a rapier within a laurel wreath, a chief embattled argent] The laurel wreath on these arms is not sufficiently wreathlike. It is round, but not sufficiently closed on top. [Noiregarde, Shire of, 05/04, R-Northshield] ( http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/shauna/armory.html#WREATH )

* This precedent deals largely with items between the tips of a laurel wreath, but it specifically makes the point that to be wreath-like is to be round, which this badge is not.

We have returned a number of "laurel wreaths" that are actually two sprigs in saltire in the past. This device has the same problem; a laurel wreath should be a wreath; i.e., it should be circular or nearly so. This must be returned for redrawing. Also, while not grounds for return, please inform the submitters that the rays of a sun usually fill the available space on the outline of the center orb. [Easaraigh, Shire of, 01/00, R-Meridies] ( http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/elsbeth/armory.html#WREATH )

* Again this notes that a wreath is expected to be circular or nearly so. While this is in annulo, the bottom is completely flat and the overall shape is more pentagonal then circular. This also comes up in:

Ashford-on-Avon, Canton of. Name and device. Per bend sinister wavy argent and azure, in chief an ash leaf within a laurel wreath vert, in base a swan naiant argent... Furthermore, the laurel wreath needs a redraw, to look more like a laurel wreath, which should be circular in shape. (12/1998) ( http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/jaelleret.html )

These shape based precedents are mostly in laurel wreaths, as opposed to wreaths of roses, but laurel wreaths are by far the more common use of a wreath and the precedent applies to all wreaths.

The questions I would ask the heralds to consider are:

1) Given the precedent that a wreath must be circular and 'wreath-like', does this qualify?

2) Given that a device was returned for not being wreath-like enough but instead just being 'four lilies conjoined in annulo', would the fact that this is not trying to be a wreath mean it isn't?

3) Do wreaths have to have supporting greenery/leafy structures under them, to distinguish them from flowers in annulo? If there is no definite answer, should this serve as a test case?

Below are images of the arms of the Queens of Atenveldt, the East, the West, the Outlands, and Drachenwald for comparison. My ultimate question would be: Does this badge look like these? All images courtesy of http://www.goldenstag.net/MiscSCA/KingdomColors.htm

1: Image 1 2: Image 2 3: Image 3 4: Image 4 5: Image 5

Ines Alfon (Blanch Tyger) at 2013-09-14 19:10:45

The Queen of the Outlands device rather pushes things against you, everything else seems to be your favor and I agree with your reasoning.

device of the Outlands Queen is not a wreath if only by virtue of being completely closed (and not a circle *smile*)

Saito Takauji at 2013-09-14 21:06:47

The reason I included that one is two-fold. First it would be intellectually dishonest not to include something I know well looks like it may go against me (having become a herald first in the Outlands). Secondly because I don't believe it does actually go against me.

The Outlands shape is much the same as the 'bordure' style laurel wreaths we see in groups. A style which I don't believe is allowed any more, specifically because it isn't a wreath. And while I would support the creation of a 'bordure laurelly', I don't believe we allow it any more.

I also included it to support the idea that even when it isn't in a wreath like shape, a wreath is supported by underlying greenery. The 'bordure' of rose wreath is roses connected by some sort of plant-life, rather than being flowers conjoined in annulo. Thus even in those instances where we have allowed (previously) a wreath to not be circular, in order to be a wreath it has underlying plant structures, which this badge does not.

Saito Takauji at 2013-09-15 01:13:01

And the ultimate question would remain. For something to be in presumption, it has to look like the thing; it has to be emulating it, infringing on its territory whether on purpose or on accident. The ultimate question is: Does this badge look like any of those pictures, would you if given them side by side say they were the same thing?

Etienne Le Mons (Vexillum) at 2013-09-15 01:58:45

Don't forget Atlantia's....

1: Image 1

Saito Takauji at 2013-09-15 03:30:26

Exactly, and this is a perfect example of what I think is one of the major differences. If this was just 8 roses in annulo, I would argue it isn't a wreath. But they are not touching, and they are all connected by the underlying branch. A wreath can be hung on a door, five flours in annulo can't.

Also to consider, that Gold Falcon brought up: Is there a minimum number we should require for a wreath? The minimum example shown so far is 8.

Saito Takauji at 2013-09-15 20:43:45

And the other point I'd forgotten about the Outlands arms: Even in that instance the wreath is still 'encircling', and is in a form of a circle. It is not round, but that is because since it is 'lying as a bordure' it conforms to the shape of a shield. If displayed on a badge, as with this badge here, the wreath would be in a circle around the stag.


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

20: Þórunn farkona - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Client requests authenticity for 9th-10th Century Scandinavian/ Rus Viking.
Culture (9th-10th Century Scandinavian) most important.
Meaning (Traveled to/among the Rus) most important.

[Þórunn rusfara] - 'ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 1192' (http://www.s-gabriel.org/1192)

[Þórunn] - 'Viking Names found in Landnámabók' Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html)

[rusfara] - 'The Bynames of the Viking Age Runic Inscriptions' Lindorm Eriksson (http://s-gabriel.org/names/lindorm/runicbynames/travels.htm#start), created from Rus and -fara meaning traveler

Based on commentary given at Kingdom by Orle, the submitter agreed to change the surname from rusfara to farkona:

We do have documented names that mean "I traveled to Russia". One is <Hólmgarðsfari>, "One who travels to Novgorod". Other Old Norse names we have for Russian places are <Garðar> and <Garðaríki>, an eastern Rus' settlement. There were also <Vitaholmr> and <Ustaholmr>, both fortified settlements in the Ukraine. Any of these could be combined with <-fari>.

Another byname used for those who traveled to Russia or even to Constantinople was <hinn víðfǫrli> (<hin víðfǫrla> for a woman), "wide-farer, far-farer".

Sturlunga saga has a lady named Kristín who was called <farkona> becaused she was widely travelled


This item was on the 12-2013 LoAR

21: Warenus de Fulmere - New Name & New Device

Barry wavy argent and azure on a pile sable a rabbit's head cabossed argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning most important.
Spelling most important.

[Warenus] - Charles Jame Fèret, Fulham Old and New: being an Exhaustive History of the Acrient Parish of Fulham, p. 269 (http://books.google.com/books?id=hv7lAAAAMAAj&pg=PA269)

[de Fulmere] - [R&W], pg. 1246

Scan of additional documentation and dated spellings included below.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2013-09-21/15-45-25_warenus1.jpg


Thus ends the September 2013 Letter of Intent.

In Service,

Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a

Rampart Herald


OSCAR counts 10 New Names, 10 New Devices, 1 New Device Change and 5 New Badges. These 26 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $78 for them. OSCAR counts 1 New Holding Name Change. OSCAR counts 1 Resub Device and 1 Resub Badge Change. These 3 items are not chargeable. There are a total of 29 items submitted on this letter.

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