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Middle ILoI dated 2013-09-12

Greetings unto Kriemhilt Dragon, Konrad Rouge Scarpe, and the commenting members of the College of Heralds:

On this September 12, 2013, I wish to make a supplementary letter of three submissions that arrived just a little too late to make their way onto the regular letter, but that deserve to be considered with this month's letter.

All comments are due on October 12, 2013.

1: Boris Movila -Resub Household Name & Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2007, via the Middle

Casa de la Muntea

(Fieldless) On a mullet of eight points a bull passant azure.

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning most important.

<casa de la> "casă de la was found in several examples of the construction "casă de la [name]" in Documenta Romaniae Historica, Seria B: Tara Rom_nească, Volumul 8: 1576-1580 ( lts-jump-full&set_entry=000019&set_number=004900&base=GEN01).
Page 108-110 no.66, dated 1577: '... casă de la Stan și de la Lăudat...'; 'casă de la Pătru și de la Dan pentru...'; 'casă de la Crăciun...'
Page 492-493 no.302 dated 1580: '... casă de la Geană...'
Page 520-522 no.321 dated 1580: '...casă de la Oprilă...'"

<Muntea> "given name dated to 1443 in Document 229, p.322 of Documenta Romaniae Historica. Seria A : Moldova. Volumul 01 : 1384-1448 ( lts-jump-full&set_entry=000015&set_number=005004&base=GEN01)

Name Returned 03/13 LOAR -

Boris Movila. Household name Casa de Muntesti
There are several pieces missing in the submitter's name documentation that commenters could not supply. First, there is no documentation that munte is a period word. Second, there is no evidence that Muntesti is properly constructed from the modern word; we note that the word pemuntesti seems to be a modern word, though not with the intended meaning. Finally, there is no evidence that this is a grammatically proper form of a household name in Romanian.
<Br>On the last point, ffride wlffsdotter was able to come up with some data: in modern transliterations, perhaps modernized, of 16th century Romanian documents, she found cas{au} de la Stan, cas{au} de la P{au}tru si de la Dan, cas{au} de la Cr{au}ciun, cas{au} de la Gean{au}, cas{au} de la Opril{au}. The source is Documenta Romaniae Historica. Seria B : Tara Româneasc{au}. Volumul 8 : 1576-1580, redacted by Stefan Pascu, Stefan Stefanescu, Constantin Cihodaru, Damaschin Mioc, Ioan Caprosu, Aures Radutiu (Bucuresti : Editura Academiei Republicii Socialiste România, 1996.), which can be found at These may help the submitter in a future resubmission - if these are derived from bynames, they could be used as a model for this household name.

We are willing to give the submitter some benefit of the doubt, given the relative lack of documents in period Romanian. However, that doesn't mean that undocumented assertions are sufficient documentation. (

Badge Returned 03/13 LOAR -

Boris Movila. badge. "Vert, on a mullet of eight points argent a bull passant azure."

"This badge is returned for conflict with the device of Lind Rachael Fessel of the Falconshield, Vert, on a mullet of six points argent a falcon displayed, wings inverted, azure. There is a DC for the change in type of tertiary charge, but nothing for the difference between a mullet of six points and a mullet of eight points." (

2: Colette Du Pré -New Name & New Device

Gules, above a chevron, three stars in chevron Or.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (French) most important.
Culture (14th C France) most important.

<Colette> "s.n. Colette Colette 1 occurance 1580." Names from Lallaing 1384 - 1600: Feminine Given Names. Campbell, Donald. (
"s.n. Colette Colette v. 1390 (pp. 359, 385)" Feminine Given Names in Morlet, Étude d'anthroponymie picarde. Uckelman, Sara L. (

<Du Pré> "Pré du Pre 1292 Paris, Dupré 1383 Picardy, 1470x1520 Bordeaux, 1602 Ambleny, du Pré 1394, 1449, 1473 Picardy, 1421, 1423, 1438 Paris, Dupretz 1470x1520 Bordeaux, 1601 Artois." DRAFT: Bynames in Medieval France. Uckelman, Sara L. (

Submitted as <Colette DuPree> without documentation. Rouge Scarpe was not able to find the spelling <DuPree> but did find a variety of other spellings from England, France, and the Netherlands. After consulting with the client she indicated that she would like <Colette Du Pré> and for it to be French.

3: Ligessac d'Isigny -Resub Device

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Gules, a schneke checky argent and sable.

The submitter's name and previous device submission appeared on the 08/13 ILoI. This is a complete redesign of device.

Yours in Earnest Service,

Estelle Escutcheon

OSCAR counts 1 Name, 1 Household Name and 3 Devices. There are a total of 5 items submitted on this letter.

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