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East LoI dated 2007-07-03

Unto Elisabeth Laurel, Jeanne Marie Wreath, Margaret Pelican, the SCA College of Arms, and all others who do receive this letter, greetings from Tanczos Istvan, Blue Tyger Herald!

It is the intent of Easterners to register the following items. Unless otherwise noted, the submitter has no desire for authenticity, allows any changes, and allows a holding name.

This item was on the 11-2007 LoAR

1: Brian mac Domhnaill - New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for Scotland 1450.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

Brian is dated to 1401-1500 in Effrick's "Scottish Gaelic Given Names - for Men" (

Domhnall: ibid, also dated 1401-1500. (The "info updated" dates are 4 Jan 2002 and 4 Mar 2003, respectively.) The construction is documented from Effrick's "Quick and Easy Gaelic Names" ( under Simple Patronymic Byname.

The byname needs to use the genitive (possessive) form of the father's name. Effrick's cited "Quick and Easy Gaelic Names" (3rd ed.) gives mac Domhnaill as the correct spelling; the submitted mac Domhnall has therefore had the 'i' inserted.

This item was on the 11-2007 LoAR

2: Desideria del Penna - New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in November of 2007, via the East.

Old Item: Giovanna del Penna, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
No changes.

Her current name was registered May 2005 via the East.

Desideria: according to and, Desideria, daughter of the Lombard king, married Charlemagne in 770 or 771. expands on this to explain that the last king of the Lombards was called Desiderius, and "as his descendants intermarried with the various aristocratic families of Italy, 'Desiderius' and Desideria gained wide usage as names in aristocratic families." This same site also says that a woman named Desideria was buried in 1345 in the Franciscan monastery in Ardfert. "Desiderato" is listed as a 14C surname of patronymic origin in Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names by Arval Benicoeur & Talan Gwynek ( There are at least three saints named Desiderius ( Desideria is listed in de Felice's "Nomi" as a (feminine) variant of Desiderio, which is apparently identified as medieval: "sostenuto dal culto di vari santi, il soprannome e poi nome latino d'eta imperiale Desiderius, e in parte maggiore il nome affettivo e gratulatorio medievale Desiderio dato a un figlio attesto con <<desiderio>> (v. Desiderato)." (Something about "sustained by the cults of various saints, the Imperial [Roman] name Desiderius, and also in large part by a medieval pet? name Desiderio." My ability to interpret Italian really breaks down for the last part.) Many period Italian names come in masculine / feminine pairs: "Masculine Names from Thirteenth Century Pisa" by Juliana de Luna ( has the (Latinized) masculine names Angelus, Mellioratus, Stefanius, Ugolinus, while "Feminine Given Names from Thirteenth Century Perugia" by Arval Benicoeur ( has the feminine names Angela, Meliorata, Stefania, Ugolina. There was also a ninth century abbess at Ravenna named Desideria, mentioned in a text from 11 June 896: "Petimus ad vobis Desideria religiosa abbatiss..." (Muzzioli, Giovanni: Le carte del monastero di S. Andrea Maggiora di Ravenna, Vol. 1; Rome: Edizioni di Storia e Letteratura, 1987). The name should thus be registerable, either as a feminine version of a saint's name or of a period masculine name, or as an early, but attested feminine name.

del Penna: this is grandfathered to the submitter. The original documentation said "...del Penna is found in the unpublished data from the 'Census and Property Survey of the Diocese of Florence, Italy, 1427.'"

This item was on the 11-2007 LoAR

3: Johann Lederer - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2007, via the East.

Per chevron Or and azure, in cross three mullets of eight points and a bear rampant counterchanged, and a bordure compony azure and Or.

His name was forwarded to Laurel on the East's March 2007 LoI, which will be decided in July. His previous device submission, Per chevron Or and azure, in cross three mullets of eight points and a bear rampant counterchanged was returned at kingdom for conflict with Margaret MacDuibhshithe (12/1993 via the East), Per chevron Or and azure, three suns in their splendor counterchanged. This submission adds a bordure to clear that conflict.

Some commenters questioned the periodness of a bordure compony sharing a tincture with both parts of a divided field. The motif has been registered before (for the Dragonship Haven Irregulars, Oct. 1985 East: Per fess argent and azure, a yale rampant counterchanged within a bordure compony argent and azure), but that was a while ago. The East is unable to properly research this, so is forwarding this for the assistance of the greater wisdom of the CoA.

This item was on the 11-2007 LoAR

4: Miklos Temesvari - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2004, via the East.

Sable, in chief a dragon segreant Or charged with a mullet of seven points inverted sable and a gore Or papellony gules.

His name was registered in Nov. 2004 via the East. His original device submission, Sable, in chief a dragon couchant and on a gore Or a spiderweb gules, was returned in-kingdom for having a charged gore and artistic issues. His previous resubmission, Sable, in chief a dragon couchant Or and a gore Or papellony gules was returned on the Oct 2006 LoAR for conflict with Caryl de Trecesson, Sable, a dragon dormant Or. This resubmission changes the posture of the dragon and adds a tertiary charge to clear that conflict.

This item was on the 11-2007 LoAR

5: Milisandia Owen - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2007, via the East.

Vert, on a spaniel couchant argent a Celtic cross gules.

Her name was forwarded to Laurel in March 2007, which will be decided in July. Her previous device submission, Per bend sinister gules and vert, a spaniel couchant argent, was returned at kingdom for artistic issues and conflict with Finn Silverfox (Feb. 1987 via the Middle), Vert, chausse chequy argent and sable, a fox dormant argent, with just one CD for changes to the field. This submission adds a tertiary charge to clear this conflict, and addresses the artistic problems by rendering the dog's ears more recognizably spaniel-like (and the dog more dog-like)

This item was on the 11-2007 LoAR

6: Njall Randvesson - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in April of 2003, via the East

Gyronny arrondy argent and vert, a raven sable within a bordure sable semi of roundels Or.

His name was registered in April 2003, via the East. His original device submission, Or, in pale a raven displayed and two axes in saltire sable, was returned at the same time for conflict. His first resubmission, Gyronny arrondy argent and vert, a raven close proper, was returned at kingdom, also for conflict. His last resubmission, Gyronny arrondi argent and vert, a raven within a bordure sable, was returned at kingdom for conflict with Isabeau Cranach (October 1995, Atlantia) Lozengy gules and Or, a raven within a bordure sable. This submission adds tertiaries to the bordure to clear that conflict.

This item was on the 11-2007 LoAR

7: Scolastica la souriete - Resub Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2006, via the East.

(Fieldless) A drop spindle sable, dressed argent.

Her primary name was registered in Oct. 2006, via the East. Her previous badge submission, (Fieldless) A dressed drop spindle Or, was returned at kingdom for conflict with Matilda of Tay (Mar. 1984 via Calontir), Per bend sinister ermine and gules, in sinister base a threaded drop-spindle Or. This resubmission changes the tinctures to clear this conflict.

The submitted depiction of a drop spindle is markedly different from the SCA norm, which has a wide whorl and a triangular cop (the thread wound around the spindle). Such a depiction is found in the PicDic, and was mentioned as correct in precedent as recently as May 2002 (Rory Daughton, R-Atlantia). However, this is a distinctly modern form, as glaringly non-medieval to the trained eye as a ballpoint pen is glaringly modern to anyone's eye. The characteristics of a medieval drop spindle are: a shaft shaped to a point at each end; a small, beadlike whorl; and a cop that tapers at both ends, resulting in a pointed ovoid shape. The included illustrations show extant early 9th century spindles from the Oseberg ship burial (found in "The Textiles in the Oseberg Ship" by Anne Stine Ingstad,, medieval spindles and whorls found in Greenland (Woven into the Earth: Textiles from Norse Greenland by Else Østergård, Aarhus Universitetsforlag, 2004), and a selection of illuminations and paintings showing women spinning with drop spindles: the Fecamp Psalter (Normandy c.1180, The Hague, KB 76 F 13); Legend of St. Joachim: Annunciation to St. Anne (Giotto di Bondone, 1304-06; Cappella Scrovegni a Padova); a Book of Hours (south Netherlands, 1310-20; British Library, Stowe 17 f.34); the Lutrell Psalter (1325-35, British Library, Add. 42130 f.60); De claris mulieribus (G. Boccaccio, early 15c.; British Library, Royal 16 G. V f.56); Roman de la Rose (c.1490, Bodleian Library, Douce 195 Folio 67v); "Woman Spinning and Entertaining a Visitor" (engraving by Israhel van Meckenem the Elder, c1450; from S. Held's Weaving, 2nd ed.); an early 16c. German drawing (from M. Jones: The Secret Middle Ages); and Netherlandish Proverbs (P. Brueghel the Elder, 1559). Also included is an image of arms with "Wharrow Spindles" from John Guillim's Display of Heraldrie (1632, p. 294), courtesy of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme (who asks that it be mentioned that he is aware of the problem with the current PicDic's depiction of a drop spindle; he will be using the Guillim emblazon in the next edition). The 'wharrow spindle' shown in Guillim is essentially the submitted charge, except it has a hooked end. The submission is depicted without this hook, in keeping with the medieval items and illustrations listed above.

This badge has several close calls for conflict, but they all depend on judgments about differences that kingdom feels unqualified to make, so we're forwarding it anyway. One of the submitter's purposes in submitting this -- the edification of the CoA regarding period spindles -- will be fulfilled regardless of the outcome.

One close call is against Helva of Saxony, who bears Vert, a full drop-spindle argent (Nov. 1982 Middle). There is definitely one CD for the field(lessness), but given that this submission is mostly white thread, there may not be a second one for tincture of the charge. The return of Brigit Comyn's device (Dec. 2006 R-East), which said "The thread on a stick shuttle is an artistic detail, blazonable but worth no difference", argues that the current case should be considered as a sable charge: Brigit's shuttle was drawn (by myself) specifically so that the thread was half the charge. Another consideration is that Helva's drop spindle is the current SCA-standard modern depiction, with a "whopping big whorl and the triangular shaped thread" (Istvan Blue Tyger's words, who checked the original submission form). There may thus be enough difference in the shape of the charges to warrant a CD.

Another close call is with Jeanna of Melton (Jul. 2000 Meridies), Azure, a lace bobbin argent. The same technical CD count and issues about the tincture of the charge apply as with Helva's device. Considering shape rather than identity, however, this conflict may actually be a closer call: lace bobbins are reasonably similar to this form of drop spindle.

A third possible conflict is with Maryan al-Baghdati (Jan. 1993 An Tir), Per pale argent and sable, an inverted drop spindle, threaded and tuft to chief counterchanged. Again, there's one CD for the field(lessness), and possibly another for the tincture of the charge. There may also be a CD for orientation, although the phrase "threaded and tuft to chief" leaves me unclear on how exactly Maryan's spindle is oriented.

This item was on the 11-2007 LoAR

8: Sorcha inghean Uí Thoráin - New Name & New Device

Per pale sable and azure, a seahorse and in chief two mullets of eight points argent

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound most important.

"Sorcha" can be found as a feminine given name in Index of Names in Irish Annals by Mari neyn Bryan (, dated to 1480, 1500, and 1530. See also OCM p.167 s.n. Sorcha.

"Ó Toráin" is found as an undated italicized form in MacLysaght, The Surnames of Ireland (5th ed. 1980) p.285 s.n. (O) Thoran. References to Ó Toráin can also by found ibid. p.283 s.n. Tarrant and p.288 s.n. Torrens. According to Quick and Easy Gaelic Names by Sharon Krossa (, "inghean Uí" is the preposition used to form a clan affiliation byname for an Irish Gaelic woman after approximately 1200 A.D.

MacLysaght's Gaelic forms are modern spellings, but the CELT archive offers "Maoil Eoin .H. Toráin" from the Annals of Loch Cé, LC1025.1; and Maol Eóin ua Toráin from the Annals of the Four Masters, M1025.2 (, The individual mentioned died in 1025, but the Annals in question date from the late 16th and early 17th centuries, so they document the spelling Toráin in Early Modern Gaelic. In a feminine name, it needs to lenite to Thoráin, so the submitted Toráin has been changed accordingly.

This item was on the 11-2007 LoAR

9: William MacLaren - New Name & New Device

Vert, on a cross vert fimbriated between four eagle's heads erased a mullet argent.

Submitter desires a masculine name.

William: Black, Surnames of Scotland p. 816 s.n. William, states that the name is found in 1317 and also notes that it was the name of William the Lion (1165-1214), one of the early kings of Scotland. Black, p. 816 s.n. Williamson gives numerous examples of this patronymic meaning "son of William", including: Alexander Willyamsone (1463 or 1480); John Williamson (1462 or 1480), and Jhone Williamson (1527). Finally, Late Sixteenth Century English Given Names by Talan Gwynek ( lists over 700 instances of "William."

English and Scots may be mixed without the name being considered a deviation from period practice (Michael Duncan of Hadley, 04/04, A-Caid).

MacLaren is also in Black, Surnames of Scotland p. 534-35 s.n. MacLaren. This spelling is the header form. Dated spellings include McLaran (1592), Maklaurene (1586), Macklarain (1574), and M'Lern (1466). The submitter prefers the header form, but will accept McLaran.

Per precedent, an ordinary voided or fimbriated can also be interpreted as an ordinary charged with another of the same type (Thomas van Lubeck, May 2004 R-Meridies). This is not a valid blazon for this device, as it would make the mullet into a quaternary charge, but in any case, commenters found no conflicts under this interpretation. This device is clear of Geoffri of Wareine (Mar. 1985 Calontir), Vert, a cross vert fretty and fimbriated Or, with one CD for the addition of the secondary charges, and another for the change in type and tincture of the tertiary charge (fret vs. mullet).

Until next month, I remain,

Istvan Blue Tyger


Black, George F; The Surnames of Scotland; New York Public Library, New York, 1946.

Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme and Akagawa Yoshio. A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry, as used in the Society for Creative Anachronism, 2nd ed., 1992.

De Felice, Emidio. Dizionario dei nomi Italiani. Mondadori, Milan, 1986.

Ó Corraín, Donnchadh & Fidelma Maguire; Irish Names; The Lilliput Press, Dublin, 1990.

OSCAR counts 3 New Names, 1 New Name Change and 4 New Devices. These 8 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $32 for them. OSCAR counts 2 Resub Devices and 1 Resub Badge. These 3 items are not chargeable. There are a total of 11 items submitted on this letter.

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