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Outlands LoP dated 2013-08-09

Outlands College of Heralds

August 9, 2013 From the Office of the Castle Herald

Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a

castle@outlandsheralds.org

Unto the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 9th day of August, A.S. XLVIII (2013 CE), does Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a send greetings on behalf of Mistress Fiachra ni Ciardhubhain, White Stag Principal Herald. We would like to thank Anabel la clergesse for agreeing to become Deputy Castle Herald and for her assistance with this letter.

It would assist Castle Herald greatly in the future if you would e-mail a copy of the documentation summary for name submissions along with the paper copies. It saves having to re-type everything again. Also, please be sure that you include dates of registration and return for armory for previously registered names and resubmissions of any kind. If Castle can't find where an item was returned, it may be pended until the information is provided or payment is made for a new submission.

Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands' Letter of Presentation for August 2013. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Errors found herein are my sole responsibility. Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the herald's commentary list is encouraged. Please have comments on items contained herein to Rampart Herald by September 15, 2013, for the decision meeting tentatively scheduled for September 18, 2013. As a reminder, the College of Arms requests commentary on all items, including appeals.

1: Ábíörn Hallstenson -New Name & New Device

Sable, two bendlets Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Culture (Viking/Norse) most important.

[Ábíörn] - 'Viking Answer Lady Webpage - Old Norse Names' (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONNames.shtml), pgs. 1-2 of 12

[Hallstenson] - 'Viking Answer Lady Webpage - Old Norse Men's Names' (http://www.vikinganswerladry.com/ONMensNames.shtml), Hallsteinn, Halsten, Hallr

Consulting Herald: None Listed


2: Alamanda de la Roca -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2010, via the Outlands

Per chevron azure and argent two mullets of eight points Or and a salamander passant regardant sable enflamed proper

Submitter's previous device, Per chevron azure and argent two mullets of eight points argent and a salamander passant regardant sable enflamed proper, was returned on the March 2013 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/03/13-03lar.html) with the following:

{This device is returned for conflict with the device of Deporodh of Rannoch, reblazoned elsewhere on this letter as Per chevron azure and argent, two mullets argent and a birch leaf vert, the device of Kirsten Thorsteinsdottir, Per chevron azure and argent, two compass stars argent and a lion's head erased gules, and the device of Alrikr af Stjarnaheimi, Per chevron throughout azure and argent, two compass stars and a pithon embowed counterchanged. In all cases there is only one DC for the changes to only half of the primary charge group. As the bottommost of three charges is considered a special case "half" of the charge group under SENA A5C2d, any changes to it may only receive a maximum of one DC. Even though it has changed in both type and tincture, we still can only count it as one DC.}

Submitter's previous device, Per chevron azure and argent, three mullets of eight point one and two argent and a salamander rampant sable, was returned on the April 2012 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2012-03-lop/1204-lor.html) with the following:

{Return for re-draw. This device is not on the standard shield shape from the approved forms, so it makes it hard to tell, but the line of division is way too low on the field. (Using the guides on the standard form, the chevron should have as much of the point above the horizontal marks as it has below at the sides). Further, the mullets are too small to really be considered co-primary. Finally, the charge at the bottom was not readily identified as a salamander, being described as the Geico Gecko or a ferret. If this is to be a heraldic salamander it needs flames. If it is to be a natural salamander it needs to either be tergiant or drawn very carefully, with appropriate detailing, in order to allow the viewer to distinguish it from a weasel or ferret.}

Submitter's previous device, Per chevron azure and argent two mullets of eight points argent and a salamander rampant sable enflamed proper, was returned on the September 2012 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2012-08-lop/1209-lor.html) with the following:

{Returned for redraw. This is not a proper rendition of flames proper. Flames proper are alternating tongues of gules and Or. Flames Or fimbriated gules (which is the closest to what this is) have been disallowed for decades now. Acceptable images of an heraldic salamander enflamed can be seen here: https://oscar.sca.org/cImages/54/2012-08-09/14-44-16_Salamander.jpg and here: https://oscar.sca.org/cImages/520/2012-08-09/19-16-47_Alamanda%20de%20la%20Roca2_Color.jpg }

Consulting Herald: Anna Mac Taggart


3: Anabel la clergesse -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.

[Anabel] - 'Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames: Annabel' Talan Gwynek (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Annabel), Anabel, dated from 1204-1312

[la clergesse] - 'Occupational By-Names in the 1292 Tax Role of Paris' Colm Dubh (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/parisbynames.html)

Consulting Herald: Khalidah bint Yahya'a


4: Aodhan mac Raibeart -New Name & New Device

Or, a pilgrim's staff bendwise sinister between two martlets gules

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for 11th-14th Scotch Gaelic.
Culture (Scottish Gaelic) most important.

[Aodhan] - 'ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 1626' (http://www.s-gabriel.org/1626)

[mac Raibeart] - 'ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 2875' (http://www.s-gabriel.org/2875)

Submitter has provided copies from a book for additional documentation, scans below.

Consulting Herald: None Listed

Correction (2013-Aug-15 19:08:58): Based on the commentary, the submitter has agreed to change Raibeart to Roibeard.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2013-08-07/11-08-15_aodhan1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2013-08-07/11-08-17_aodhan2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2013-08-07/11-08-19_aodhan3.jpg


5: Aodhan mac Raibeart -New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Or, a pilgrim's staff bendwise sinister between two martlets gules

This submission is to be associated with Aodhan mac Raibeart

Consulting Herald: None Listed

Correction (2013-Aug-10 02:08:40): The submitter has withdrawn this submission - as it has been clarified with the client that there is no difference between this and his device.

Correction (2013-Aug-15 19:08:57): This badge has been withdrawn by the submitter to undergo a recolor for one DC.

Correction (2013-Aug-15 19:08:19): This badge has been withdrawn by the submitter to undergo a recolor for one DC.


6: Baldric le Normaund -New Name & New Device

Gules, a chalice between three swans naiant argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for 12th-14th Century.
Meaning most important.

[Baldric] - 'Subsidy Roll 1292- Cripplegate Ward Extra' (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=31918&strquery=le%20Normaund), #7 Baudry le tannere and footnote; 'Taverham Hundred - Taverham' (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=78722&strquery=baldric); 'Taverham Hundred - Felthorp' (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=78705&strquery=baldric)

[le Normaund] - 'Subsidy Roll 1292- Cripplegate Ward Extra' (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=31918&strquery=le%20Normaund), #5 Joh' Normand and footnote

Consulting Herald: None Listed


7: Caitilín inghean Uí Taidhg -New Name & New Device

Gules, a rose argent between three crescents Or

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Client requests authenticity for 12th-15th Century Irish Gaelic.
Meaning (First name shortens to 'Kate', 'Taidhg' meaning 'Bard') most important.

[Caitilín] - 'Index of Names in Irish Annals: Caitilín' Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Caitilin.shtml)

[Tadhg] - 'Index of Names in Irish Annals: Tadc/Tadhg' Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Tadc.shtml)

Consulting Herald: None Listed


8: Conall Mór MacNachtan -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2009, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) A stag's attire conjoined to itself in annulo tines outward Or overall a lightning bolt bendwise sinister argent

This submission is to be associated with Conall Mór MacNachtan

Submitter notes that a period example of the charge, A stag's attire conjoined to itself in annulo tines outward, can be found in the Zurich Roll, plate #270 (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ZurichRoll/)

Consulting Herald: Conall Mór MacNachtan


9: Dairine of Oak Hill -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2000, via Meridies

Per pale argent and sable, on a goute counterchanged a duck naiant Or

This submission is to be associated with Dairine of Oak Hill

Consulting Herald: Conall Mór MacNachtan


10: Dairine of Oak Hill -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2000, via Meridies

Per pale sable and argent in fess a pavillion and a wheel of fourteen spokes counterchanged the wheel's hub surmounted by a heraldic rose gules

This submission is to be associated with Dairine of Oak Hill

Consulting Herald: Conall Mór MacNachtan


11: Dairine of Oak Hill -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2000, via Meridies

(Fieldless) On a goute per pale sable and argent a duck naiant Or

This submission is to be associated with Dairine of Oak Hill

Consulting Herald: Conall Mór MacNachtan


12: Drustanus Artorius Cato -New Name & New Device

Gules, a scorpion tergiant inverted Or between three roses argent barbed vert seeded Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning most important.

[Drustanus] - 'Britannia EBK Biographies: Tristram, King of Lyonesse (born c.530)' (http://www.britannia.com/bios/ebk/tristln.html)

[Artorius] - 'LEGIO XX -- The Twentieth Legion -- ROMAN NAMES' (http://www.larp.com/legioxx/nomina.html)

[Cato] - 'Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)' (http://www.roman-empire.net/republic/cato-e.html)

Consulting Herald: SCA Heraldry Chat @ Facebook


13: Isabella di Francesco Ambrosini -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2006, via the Outlands

Per chevron inverted sable and Or, a lion statant guardant forepaw raised and maintaining a book Or, two fleur de lys gules and a needle threaded point to base sable

Submitter's previous device, Sable, a sewing needle threaded and point to base Or and upon a chief gules, three fleur-de-lys Or., was returned on the September 2005 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2005-08-lop/0509-lor.html) with the following:

{Device returned for violating Rfs VIII.2.b.i - field contrast. The chief and field are both colors. One commenter suggested that this may be registerable under Rfs VIII.6.b for regional style, but that appropriate documentation must be attached. An alternate solution would be to swap the tincture of the chief and fleurs-de-lys.}

Consulting Herald: Anna Mac Taggart


14: Jörundr inn magri -New Name & New Device

Per bend sinister Or and sable, a bear sejant to sinister, two arrows crossed counterchanged

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for 10th-11th Century Norse Viking.
Culture (10th-11th Century Norse Viking) most important.
Meaning (thin/skinny) most important.

[Jörundr] - 'Viking Names found in the Landnámabók' Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://s-gabriel.org/names/aryanhwy/names/landnamabok.html)

[inn magri] - 'Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók' Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/vikbynames.html)

Consulting Herald: Eric Morrison


15: Killian MacKenzie -Resub Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 1998, via the Outlands

Argent, a fess between two cinquefoils purpure and a thistle proper slipped and leaved vert

Old Item: Argent, a chevron between in chevron two forget-me-nots azure slipped and leaved vert and a wolf couchant azure, to be retained as a badge.

Submitter's previous device change, Argent, a cinquefoil and a bordure purpure, was returned on the June 2013 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2013-05-lop/1306-lor.html) due to the following:

{Unfortunately, these beautiful arms conflict with Alyanora of Vinca (reg. 02/1975 via the West), "Argent, a periwinkle [Vinca minor] proper." There is a DC for the bordure, but none for the tincture of the flower, since Alyanora's periwinkle conflicts with both roses purpure and roses azure: "Per the May 2000 LoAR, 'Periwinkles are bluish purple and by current precedent (see the September 1996 LoAR, pg. 17 ...) they are not significantly different from either blue or purple roses.'" [LoAR 11/2003]. This also conflicts with Regina O'Duncan (reg. 05/2008 via An Tir), "Argent masoned sable, a violet purpure slipped and leaved vert seeded Or within a bordure purpure," with a DC for the field, but none for the type of flower.}

Consulting Herald: Eric Morrison


16: Lilliana Le Grant -Resub Name & Resub Device

Per pale argent and Or, in saltire two lightning bolts sable overall a heart gules

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Client requests authenticity for French.
Sound most important.

[Lilliana] - <Lillian Freeman> was baptized in Worcester in 1608 (IGI CO4019-2) <Lilliana> would be the expected Latinized form.

[Le Grant] - Morlet Picarde has <Le Grant> in 13 th C, 1300, 1321, 1322, 1340, 1404, 1448.

NB: While this surname is grammatically masculine, it could be used by a woman as an inherited surname.

Submitter's previous name, Liliana le Graunt, was returned on the July 2004 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2004-06-lop/0407-lor.html) with the following:

{This name is being returned for issues with the name Liliana. Basically, to document this as an Italian name in a Scottish name source, especially when undated, is stretching for documentation, especially when others have failed to find suitable documentation for this name previously. In particular, I find this quote from that source to be less than encouraging, "Lily, Gaelic Lilidh, has itself been used as a Christian name, especially when flower names were in vogue from 1880 onwards." [emphasis mine] The Academy of St. Gabriel articles 1859, 1550, and 1336 fairly clearly describe the similar names which are documented to this time period and describes the issues with the use of Liliana (and variants). However, as any of them seemed farther from the submitted name than even a major change, this is being returned so that the submittor can decide where to go from here.}

Consulting Herald: Conall Mór MacNachtan

Submitter's previous device, Argent, two lightning bolts in saltire sable surmounted by a heart gules, a bordure engrailed sable, was returned on the July 2004 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2004-06-lop/0407-lor.html) with the following:

{The device is being returned for either a redraw or as a conflict. As drawn, the lightning bolts are definitely not the primary charge - the heart is. As such, it has a conflict with Bordermarch, Barony of, Argent, a heart gules and a sinister tierce raguly sable, with only one CD for changing the tierce to a bordure. If it were redrawn so that the lightning bolts were much large and the heart much smaller, this conflict would go away (though another might possibly appear).}

Consulting Herald: Conall Mór MacNachtan


17: Lingormr gympe eykr -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of December 31, 2012 as submitted.

Argent, an oarfish embowed purpure in chief three thistles vert headed purpure

Submitter's previous device, Argent, a wingless limbless dragon erect contourny purpure and in chief three thistles vert headed purpure, was returned on the March 2013 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2013/03/13-03lar.html#Outlands_returns13) with the following:

{This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." Blazoned on the Letter of Intent as a wingless sea-dragon, commenters were unable to identify the charge, instead confusing it with a natural seahorse with a dragon's tail. A sea-creature of any type will have a fish tail with a fluke, not the pointed, spade, or barbed tip of a dragon. Without limbs or wings, a dragon looks very little different from a serpent.}

Submitter's previous device, Or, a dragon sinister purpure maintaining in each forepaw an axe sable hafted proper, in base a drakkar, and in canton the constellation Ursa Minor sable, was returned on the August 2007 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2007-07-lop/0708-lor.html) with the following: {Commenters indicate that there are several issues with the device. Laurel precedent forbids the use of constellations within SCA armory, and was most recently affirmed in September 2000: [in chevron five compass stars elongated palewise] To quote Clarion: "It is standard SCA and mundane practice to put charges 'in {ordinary}.'" Thus, this does not fall afoul of the ban against charges in arch, nor that forbidding constellations. [Johann von Sternberg, 09/00, A-Ansteorra] Commenters also indicate that the dragon is wingless and not in a standard heraldic posture, both generating problems with non-period style as well as reproducibility. Finally sails of ships were used in armory to display badges that the bearer was entitled to. This requires sails to be checked for conflict independently. This sail conflicts with the following: United States - December of 1994 (via Laurel) - Argent, six palets gules and a chief azure. 1 CD for removal of the chief. Device returned for Laurel precedent (use of constellations), violation of Rfs VII.7.b (reproducibility of dragon), and conflict of sail armory.}

Consulting Herald: Angus Reid MacFarlane


18: Pettronella Pártaszövõ -New Name Change From Holding Name

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in December of 2013, via the Outlands.

Old Item: Pettronella of Caer Galen, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a feminine name.

[Pettronella Pártaszövõ] - 'Hungarian Feminine Names' Walraven van Nijmegen (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/magfem2.html#frequent)

Consulting Herald: Tanczos Istvan


19: Randal Carrick -Resub Badge Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2001, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) A carrot Or, leaved vert, enfiled of a baronial coronet argent

Old Item: (Fieldless) A carrot Or, leaved vert, to be released.

Submitter's previous badge change, Argent, a sword purpure and overall a roundel sable charged with two pallets wavy argent, was returned on the July 2006 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2006/07/06-07lar.html) with the following:

{This badge is returned for redesign. The careful placement of the pallets to outline the sword's blade make the blade itself appears to be a wavy blade. This is visually confusing, thus the badge violates the tenets of RfS VII.7.a - Identification Requirement and RfS VIII.3 - Armorial Identifiability. As the emblazon is unlikely to recreated from the blazon, this also violates RfS VII.7.b - Reconstruction Requirement.}

Consulting Herald: Palmer Herald


20: Ronan Wulf -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of March 26, 2013 as submitted.

Argent, three chevronelles sable gules and sable between three wolves rampant to sinister gules

Submitter's previous device, Argent, a chevron sable between 3 wolves rampant gules, a bordure sable, was returned on the March 2013 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2013-02-lop/1303-lor.html) with the following:

{This must be returned for style issues. Both the Chevron and the Bordure are significantly too thin. The chevron worse so than the bordure. What is depicted here is a "Chevronelle." The SCA does not register single deminutive charges. The lack of clarity of the primary charge/primary charge group is the primary reason for return. Therefore, to fix it: A second Chevronelle of about the same size would be necessary to make it two (or more) chevronelles. OR The chevron is the primary and central charge. Therefore it should hold the most weight of anything on the device. In which case the chevron should be twice to three times as thick as it is. The bordure is too thin and should be about twice as thick. The bordure issue would not have been enough to return the device on its own. The wolves can shrink to fit the available space. They are secondary charges - therefore not primary. Make sure identifyability is maintained as they are sized to fit.}

Consulting Herald: Carloman Macht


21: Saito Takauji -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2006, via the Outlands

Or, on a pale sable three cherry blossoms Or

Consulting Herald: Conall Mór MacNachtan


22: Saito Takauji -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2006, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) Five cherry blossoms conjoined in annulo Or

Consulting Herald: Conall Mór MacNachtan


23: Þórunn rusfara -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Client requests authenticity for 9th-10th Century Scandinavian/ Rus Viking.
Culture (9th-10th Century Scandinavian) most important.
Meaning (Traveled to/among the Rus) most important.

[Þórunn rusfara] - 'ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 1192' (http://www.s-gabriel.org/1192)

[Þórunn] - 'Viking Names found in Landnámabók' Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html)

[rusfara] - 'The Bynames of the Viking Age Runic Inscriptions' Lindorm Eriksson (http://s-gabriel.org/names/lindorm/runicbynames/travels.htm#start), created from Rus and -fara meaning traveler

Consulting Herald: Eric Morrison

Correction (2013-Aug-17 17:08:06): Based on the already provided commentary, the submitter is willing to change the surname to farkona.


24: Warenus de Fulmere -New Name & New Device

Barry wavy argent and azure on a pile sable a rabbit's head cabossed argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning most important.
Spelling most important.

[Warenus] - Charles Jame Fèret, Fulham Old and New: being an Exhaustive History of the Acrient Parish of Fulham, p. 269 (http://books.google.com/books?id=hv7lAAAAMAAj&pg=PA269)

[de Fulmere] - [R&W], pg. 1246

Scan of additional documentation and dated spellings included below.

Consulting Herald: SCA Heraldry Chat @ Facebook & Aryanhwy merch Catmael

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2013-08-09/17-07-29_warenus1.jpg


Thus ends the August 2013 Letter of Presentation.

In Service,

Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a

Castle Herald


OSCAR counts 10 Names, 1 Name Change, 13 Devices, 1 Device Change, 6 Badges and 1 Badge Change. There are a total of 32 items submitted on this letter.

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