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Outlands LoP dated 2013-03-09

Outlands College of Heralds

March 9, 2013 From the Office of the Castle Herald

Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a

castle@outlandsheralds.org

Unto the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 9th day of March, A.S. XLVII (2013 CE), does Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a send greetings on behalf of Mistress Fiachra ni Ciardhubhain, White Stag Principal Herald. We would like to welcome Lord Andrew von Otenlingen as Rampart Herald.

It would assist Castle Herald greatly in the future if you would e-mail a copy of the documentation summary for name submissions along with the paper copies. It saves having to re-type everything again. Also, please be sure that you include dates of registration and return for armory for previously registered names and resubmissions of any kind. If Castle can't find where an item was returned, it may be pended until the information is provided or payment is made for a new submission.

Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands' Letter of Presentation for March 2013. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Errors found herein are my sole responsibility. Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the herald's commentary list is encouraged. Please have comments on items contained herein to Rampart Herald by April 15, 2013, for the decision meeting tentatively scheduled for April 17, 2013. As a reminder, the College of Arms requests commentary on all items, including appeals.

1: Aegeon The Actor -New Name & New Device

Per chevron sable and vert, two St. Mark's Lions statant respectant Or and in base, a rose sable fimbriated Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.

No documentation was provided with the submission only a statement from the submitter:

[Aegeon (also spelled Egeon and Ægeon depending on the printing) is a character from Shakespears Comedy of Errors. I am fine with any of those spellings , and I couldn't find that one had precedence over the other. Egeon Askew, born 1576, is an English divine (a known writer from the Anglican church). The Actor is simply a profession.]

Consulting Herald: Ciarán Brocc


2: Alditha de la Tye -Resub Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in June of 2011, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) a squirrel sejant erect contourny sable

Submitter's prior badge, (Fieldless) a squirrel sejant erect sable, was submitted on the February 2013 LoP (https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=1807) and was withdrawn by submitter for conflict mentioned in the commentary {Conflict with Dieter des Schwarzen Eichkätchens, reg. 6/85 via the Middle: "Per pale gules and argent, a squirrel sejant erect sable maintaining a sword inverted argent." Just one DC for fieldlessness, since the maintained sword does not count for difference.}.

The submitter has changed the squirrel to contourny to add a second DC.

Consulting Herald: Eric Morrison


3: Alric Godwynson -New Name Change From Holding Name & New Device Change

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in July of 2013, via the Outlands.

Per bend sinister azure and Or, a cross moline Or and a dragon's head couped gules

Old Item: Dylan of Vatavia, to be released.
Old Item: Per bend sinister azure and vert, on a Celtic cross Or a sword azure, to be released.
No major changes.

The submitter's previous name, Dylan MacMatanban, was returned December 2005. The submitter's previous name, Dylan the Scot, was returned on the May 2006 LoAR via Calontir (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2006/05/06-05lar.html) due to the combination of Middle English with early Welsh. The submitter's holding name, Dylan of Vatavia, registered on the April 2007 LoAR via Calontir (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2007/04/07-04lar.html) with the device, Per bend sinister vert and azure, on a Celtic cross Or a sword azure. The device was changed on the April 2009 LoAR via Calontir (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/04/09-04lar.html) to Per bend sinister azure and vert, on a Celtic cross Or a sword azure. The April 2009 LoAR says that the prior device, Per bend sinister vert and azure, on a Celtic cross Or a sword azure, was to be released but the O&A shows it being retained as a badge.

[Alric] - `Anglo-Saxon Names' Jodi McMaster (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/aelfwyn/bede.html)

[Godwynson] - Only provided documentation for `patronymic' by way of `A Brief Introduction to Medieval Bynames' Brain M. Scott and Joshua Mittleman (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/bynames/) and a statement from the submitter that he desires his patronymic byname to be fashion from the name of his SCA mentor, Master Godwyn Alfricson of Ansteorra (registered as Godwin Alfricson), and has [verbal] permission to do so.

Consulting Herald: Selene of the Sky

Castle Herald's Note: Many thanks to Saker Herald for her assistance in digging up the submitter's heraldic history.


4: Asenath de Winter -New Name & New Device

Purpure, three rabbits in arondi courant to sinister argent within a bordure Or

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

Compatibility: English given name (1100-1600), Dutch byname (1100-1600); compatible by SENA Appendix C.

[Asenath] - 'Asenath Southee 1625' IGI Batch #I01111-2; "England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975" A given name found in the Geneva Bible (1587; Genesis 41:50), acceptable by precedence from the July 2004 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2004/07/04-07lar.html)

{Jerusha Kilgour. Name.

Although there is no evidence that the name Jerusha was actually used in England during our period, names from the Bible are generally registerable for languages/cultures such as English where Biblical names are found in the naming pool. This general precept has been stated time and again over the years.}

[de Winter] - 'ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 1315' (http://www.s-gabriel.org/1315)

Consulting Herald: Yasamin al-Hadiyya


5: Aurore Katherine d'Hiver -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of January 29, 2013 as Aurore Katherine d'Hiver.

Per fess purpure and sable, two zebras passant respectant argent striped sable and a demi-sun issuant from base Or

Submitter's previous device, Per fess engrailed purpure and sable, two zebras passant respect-ant argent striped sable and a demi-sun issuant from base Or was returned on the January 2013 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2012-12-lop/1301-lor.html) with the following:

{Returned for having a complex line of division between parts of a low-contrast field, per SENA A.3.B.3.a (which says "While we find fields or charges divided into two parts with poor contrast, we do not generally find complex lines of division separating regions with poor contrast. Thus, any pairing of low-contrast tinctures with a complex line of division must be attested in order to be registered.") If the line of division were straight instead of engrailed, this device should be fine. Also, if the submitter can find period examples of a purpure and sable field with an engrailed line of division, that would be cause for a re-evaluation.}

The device was redrawn without the engrailing.

Consulting Herald: Katelin de Ireland


6: Beatrix of Ambleside -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.

[Beatrix] - `Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames: Beatrix' Brian M. Scott (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Beatrix)

[Ambleside] - Locative, Town in England (http://www.amblesideonline.co.uk/history.shtml)

Consulting Herald: Selene of the Sky


7: Ciarán Brocc -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2012, via the Outlands

Or, two piles in point sable each charged with a bezant

Submitter's name was registered on the October 2012 LoAR via the Outlands (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/10/12-10lar.html)

Submitter's previous device, Or, two piles in point sable each charged with a torque Or, was returned on the July 2012 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2012-06-lop/1207-lor.html) with the following:

{Returned for Redraw. The torques as placed are really too small to be identifiable. Moving them to chief and making them larger would make everything much better.}

Consulting Herald: Ciarán Brocc


8: Elizabeth of St. Edmundsbury -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No changes.

[Elizabeth] - `Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames: Elizabeth' Brian M. Scott (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Elizabeth)

[St. Edmundsbury] - Locative, `St. Edmundsbury Cathedral' (http://www.stedscathedral.co.uk/history)

Consulting Herald: Selene of the Sky

Castle Herald's Note: This submission was originally submitted as a resubmission but Saker Herald and I could find no record that the submitter had tried to register Elizabeth of York at any point in time via Calontir or the Outlands so it was changed to and charged as a new submission.


9: Gerwyn y Teigr -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 1989, via the Outlands

Sable, a wolf's head erased ululant contourny, a bordure embattled Or

Consulting Herald: Ciarán Brocc

Correction (2013-Mar-13 19:03:24): Submission withdrawn by the submitter for a redraw based on the commentary it received.


10: Gilliana Leigh Gallway -Resub Device

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Sable, between three bulls' heads erased argent, armed and engorged of a strand of pearls Or, three roses sable seeded Or on a chevron argent

Submitter's name was registered on the November 2011 LoAR via the Outlands (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2011/11/11-11lar.html).

Submitter's previous device, Sable, between three bulls' heads erased argent, armed and engorged of a strand of pearls Or, three roses proper on a chevron argent, was returned on the November 2012 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2012-10-lop/1211-lor.html) with the following:

{This device was deemed too complex by a large number of submitters, with five tinctures (argent, Or, sable, vert, gules); four types of charges (head, chevron, roses, pearls) for a total of 9 (over the limit of 8 per SENA A.3.E.2) http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/sena.html#A3E2. However, some evidence was presented that this may be an allowable device as it is in a strongly period style. There was some indication from commenters at the decision meeting that the submitter wished to re-draw the device to reduce the complexity, so it is being returned to allow that to happen. If that is not the case, submitter can appeal this return based on the commentary of Alys Mackyntoich, and I will send it to Laurel for determination. in such a case, the inclusion of examples of period armory containing these design elements would be appreciated.}

Submitter's previous device, Sable, a chevron between three bull's heads couped argent armed and gorged of a strand of pearls Or, was returned on the March 2012 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/03/12-03lar.html) with the following:

{This device is returned for conflict with the badge of Zenobia Blake, Sable, a chevron between three broadarrows inverted argent. There is one CD for the change in type of secondary charges, but nothing else, as the pearls are not considered significant enough for difference. There is also no CD for the change in orientation, as bull's heads cannot be registered when inverted. Please advise the submitter that we would expect to see a bit of the neck below the gorging.}

The submitter has changed the roses to tinctures already existing in the device.

Consulting Herald: Conrad von Zollern


11: Isabella Maria Francesco -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound most important.

[Isabella] - `Occitan Townspeople in the 14th Century: Feminine Given Names' Julia Smith (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/occitan/occitan-given-women.html#alpha)

[Maria] - `Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names: Table of Given Names' Josh Mittleman and Brian M. Scott (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/venice14given.html#table)

[Francesco] - `Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names: Table of Surnames' Josh Mittleman and Brian M. Scott (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/venice14sur.html#table)

Consulting Herald: Selene of the Sky


12: James of Dungannon -New Name & New Device

Per pale embattled argent and gules, a rapier sable and a candle argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.
Culture (16th Century Northern Ireland) most important.

[James] - `Names and Naming Practices in the Fitzwilliam Accounts from 16th Century Ireland: Names in the English Records' Heather Rose Jones (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/lateirish/fitzwilliam.html)

[Dungannon] - `Dungannon' (http://www.melocki.org.uk/lewis/Ireland/i01502.txt), Town in Ulster, Northern Ireland; earliest date of mention is 1329

Consulting Herald: Yasamin al-Hadiyya


13: Laurentz von Rothenstein -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2012, via the Outlands

Azure, on a pile inverted throughout vert fimbriated argent, a flaming salamander tergiant argent

Submitter's name was registered on the October 2012 LoAR via the Outlands (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/10/12-10lar.html)

Submitter's previous device, Azure, on a pile inverted throughout vert fimbriated argent, a natural salamander tergiant breathing flame argent, was returned on the October 2012 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/10/12-10lar.html#Outlands_returns16) with the following:

{This device is returned for redraw, for violating section VII.7.a of the Rules for Submissions which requires that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their appearance." This is repeated in section A2C2 of the Standards for Evaluation which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." This depiction of a salamander breathing flame blurs the difference between a natural salamander and a heraldic salamander. The salamander monster is typically depicted as a lizard enflamed, that is, with small spurts of flame all around, not just breathing flame. If this is meant to be a natural salamander, it should not be breathing flame, in order to avoid confusion with a heraldic salamander. If it is meant to be a heraldic salamander, it needs more flames from the sides of its body as well.}

Consulting Herald: Selene of the Sky


14: Makan Scroggr -New Name & New Device

Per pale gules and sable, three hunting horns fretted

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Language (Old Norse) most important.
Culture (Old Norse) most important.
Meaning most important.

[Makan] - Geirr Bassi, p. 13

[Skroggr] - Geirr Bassi, p. 27, meaning "Goblin"

Consulting Herald: Conal Mór MacNachtan


15: Maria Castelana -New Name Change & New Device

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in July of 2013, via the Outlands.

Quarterly purpure and sable, a sword bendwise sinister and two cinquefoils argent

Old Item: Castellana Alcon, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound most important.

[Maria] - `Italian Renaissance Women's Names' Jo Lori Drake (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/italian.html)

[Castelana] - `Surnames from a 16th Century Italian Armorial' (http://coblaith.net/Names/ItSur/CAS.html)

Consulting Herald: Randall Carrick


16: Miriam Volpe -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound most important.

[Miriam] - `Names of Jews in Rome In the 1550's' Zachary Kessin (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/Jewish/rome_names.html#women)

[Volpe] - `Surnames from a 16th Century Italian Armorial' (http://coblaith.net/Names/ItSur/VO.html)

Consulting Herald: Ciarán Brocc


17: Pipa de Blakemere -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2011, via the Outlands

(Fieldless) a cross fleury quartered purpure and sable

Consulting Herald: Conal Mór MacNachtan


18: Staros Pacellides of Helicon -New Name & New Device

Per bend dovetailed Or and gules, a hawk striking wings displayed and a serpent targent reversed, the tail wreathed, counterchanged

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound (As close to `Stavros' as possible) most important.

[Staros] - `Prosopography of the Byzantine World: Staros' (http://db.pbw.kcl.ac.uk/id/person/143532)

[Pacellides] - `Lexicon of Greek Personal Names' (http://www.lgpn.ox.ac.uk/names/practices.html), Patronymic formed from the submitter's father's [mundane] name, Pacelli

[Helicon] - Locative, Mount Helicon in Greece

Consulting Herald: Conrad von Zollern


19: Titus Modius Varro -New Name & New Device

Argent, on a saltire raguly sable, chains in saltire argent within a bordure sable

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Culture (Roman) most important.

[Titus] - `Roman Names: Praenomen' (http://www.legionxxiv.org/nomens/); `ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 2661' (http://www.s-gabriel.org/2661)

[Modius] - Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology v. 2, pg. 1109 (http://ancientlibrary.com/smith-bio/2217.html); `Roman Names: Nomens' (http://www.legionxxiv.org/nomens/)

[Varro] - `Roman Names: Cognomens' (http://www.legionxxiv.org/nomens/); De Re Rustica, Marcus Terentius Varro (penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Varro/de_Re_Rustica/1*.html)

Consulting Herald: Mathom the Malcontent


Thus ends the March 2013 Letter of Presentation.

In Service,

Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a

Castle Herald


OSCAR counts 10 Names, 2 Name Changes, 11 Devices, 1 Device Change and 3 Badges. There are a total of 27 items submitted on this letter.

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