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Outlands LoI dated 2013-02-28

From the Office of Rampart Herald

Lord Andrew von Otelingen (Andrew Grosser)

Unto the Sovereigns and members of the College of Arms of the Society, does Andrew von Otelingen, Rampart Herald send his greetings.

What follows is the February 2013 Letter of Intent for the Kingdom of the Outlands.

I would like to thank the following commenting groups for providing commentary on this letter.

GMCGIHCNBDS: (Baron Randal Carrick; Maistre Louis-Philippe Mitouard, Catspaw Herald Extraordinary; THL Conrad von Zollern, Stags Attire Herald; Lady Katelin de Irlande, Wharrow Herald; THL Eric Morrison, Hawk's Hollow Pursuivant; Maestra Francesca di Pavia, Blue Iris Herald; and THL Shoshanah Simkhah bas Ruven)

NE Calontir Commenting Group (Gawain of Miskbridge, Green Anchor; Lord Caoimhin McKee, Kite Herald; Lady Rohese de Dinan, Shadowdale Pursuivant; Lady Aritê gunê Akasa; Giovanni Loredan)

I would like to thank the following heralds for commenting on OSCAR. Alys Mackyntoich (Eastern Crown); Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sans Repose); Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sans Repose); Ásfríðr Úlfvíðardóttir; Brían dorcha ua Conaill (Goutte d'Eau); Carrick (Rampart); Conrad von Zollern (Stag's Attire); Eric Morrison of Thistlekeep; Etienne Le Mons (Vexillum); Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor); Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle); Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Dolphin); Khalidah bint Yahya'a (Castle) Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Aldyrne); Maridonna Benvenuti

I would like to take this opportunity at the onset of my tenure as Rampart Herald to extend special thanks to Baron Randal Carrick for his duteous and continued service to the Kingdom, the College of Heralds, and the Dream. Further, I would like to thank everyone who supported Carrick during his tenure. I look forward to getting to work with all of you. Thank you in advance for all of your support during this transition and throughout my tenure! I hope to serve in a way that represents the Outlands well.

If there are any suggestions as to how I can improve my letters - please do not hesitate to let me know, and I will do what I can to improve.

It is my intent to register this February the following items from the Outlands College of Heralds:

This item was on the 05-2013 LoAR

1: Gerald Beckett - New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.

[Gerald] - Bardsley, Charles, A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames, pg. 314

[Beckett] - Bardsley, Charles, A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames, pg. 90

Consulting Herald: Selene of the Sky

Comentors at kingdom provided the following additional documentation.

Gawain of Miskbridge (Green Anchor) at 2013-01-26 17:39:18

We need to be shown what the references say about the names. Withycombe says "Gerald" was brought over by the Normans and used regularly in the Middle Ages, but seems to have died out around the end of the 13th C, and was reintroduced from Ireland around the end of the 19th C. R&W cite "Beckett" in that spelling from c.1155, so this is a solid Norman name. No conflicts found.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Dolphin) at 2013-01-28 20:01:18

Gerald (s.n. Gerald) is undated in Bardsley, but s.n. Horsington (p. 400) has Gerald de Horsington dated "Hen III - Edw I" (reigned 1216-1272 and 1272-1307). Also s.n. Hollander (p. 393) has Gerald Holonder dated 12 Hen IV (which would be c. 1411). Under Roper (p. 653) there is Gerald Roppere dated 1273 and under Gunning (p. 343) there is one Gerald Gundwyn dated to 1273.

This item was on the 05-2013 LoAR

2: Mahowny Mac Agaloglie - New Name & New Device

Per bend dovetailed argent and sable, a ram's head cabossed gules and a feather bendwise argent

Culture (Irish) most important.

Original Name Documentation:

> [Mahowney] - `16th & 17th Century Anglicized Irish Surnames from Woulfe', Kathleen M. O'Brien (, (

> [M'Agaloglie] - `16th & 17th Century Anglicized Irish Surnames from Woulfe', Kathleen M. O'Brien (

Consulting Herald: Katelin de Ireland

Changes based on the Kingdom commentary period:

Name was originally submitted as Mahowney M'Agaloglie. Changed at kingdom to Mahowny Mac Agaloglie based on the following commentary.

Change from "M'" to "Mac_"

Excerpt from Alys Mackyntoich (Eastern Crown) at 2013-01-08 23:35:09:

<M'Agaloglie> appears in Mari's article as an Anglicized Irish form of Mac an Ghallóglaigh. The M' here is a scribal abbreviation for Mac - SCA practice is to expand that to <MacAgaloglie> or <Mac Agaloglie>

Change from Mahowney to Mahowny

Excerpt from Brían dorcha ua Conaill (Goutte d'Eau) at 2013-01-13 03:44:02

According to OC&M,[0] the surnames <Mac Mahon> and <O'Mahoney> are derived from <Mathghamhain> (genitive as <mac Mathghamhna>: /mah-how-in/:/mak mah-how-na/ by the end of period). This form is found in Mari Aldyrne's Anglicised Irish Names from Woulfe[1] as <Mahon>, <Mahoun>, <Mahown>, <Mahowne>, <Maughon> and <Mohown>. In Irish the nominative singular finished with a slender [n] (not a vowel), so I submit that the "-e" was most likely silent for the bare forename in those Anglicised versions which feature it. (Further evidence lies in the Anglicisation of "óg" as "Oge".) Meaning in practice that the spelling <Mahoney> is probably not appropriate for a forename.

[0] OC&M s.n. <Mathgamain> [1] <>

Correction (2013-Mar-29 07:03:11): Please note: a conversation with the submitter made me aware that he wants the simplest to spell, pronounce, and remember option that is register-able.

Device Comments:

Submitted as a "Quill." Changed at Kingdom to a "Feather."

There were mixed opinions on this - as some stated that the tip was angled, so it is a quill, and it matches the quills from the Pennsic Traceable Art Project. Others argued that the vanes are not stripped off and the angled tip is difficult to see up close, let alone from a distance.

This item was on the 05-2013 LoAR

3: Sophie von Schönburg - New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of October 31, 2012 as submitted.

Argent, on a bend sinister between two bees azure, three oak leaves argent.

Submitter's previous device, Argent, a bend sinister between an oak leaf and a bee volant azure, was returned at Kingdom on the November 2012 LoR ( with the following:

{Returned for conflict with Thomas of the Isles (reg. 03/1994 via Caid), Argent, a bend sinister between a chair, back to sinister, and a roundel azure. There is one DC for changing the type of secondaries.}

This is a complete re-design.

This item was on the 05-2013 LoAR

4: Veronica Olympia Francesco - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound most important.

Original Documentation:

Castle was kind enough to research and find the following original documentation used for the commentary period for our submitter.

[Veronica] - `Feminine Given Names from Thirteenth Century Perugia', Arval Benicoeur (

[Olympia] - Submitter claims to have found `Olympias' on but no link was provided to the appropriate article and Castle Herald cannot find it.

[Francesco] - `Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names', Arval Benicoeur and Talan Gwynek (

Additional Documentation added in commentary:

In-kingdom commentary yielded the following documentation. Enough so that I felt comfortable sending this name up for a final decision as it seems to be a plausible name construction.

Ásfríðr Úlfvíðardóttir at 2013-01-10 00:27:30 has:

From Spain:

<Felicia Olimpia Maria Bages>, christened 1623 in Spain. Batch number C02470-0

<Felicia Olompia Agnes Paula Gayrau>, christened 1627 in Spain. Batch number C88922-3.


<Olimpia Eularia Teresa Cortada>, christened 1621 in Spain. Batch number C88975-1

From the Netherlands:

<Olimpia Sohier>, christened 1624 in the Netherlands. Batch number C04313-5

To keep with the Spanish name, <Veronica> is found in:

<Veronica Puialara> married 1592. Batch number: M89292-4

<Veronica Fabragua> married 1596. Batch number: M85077-2

Spanish, part of the Iberian language group, can be combined under SENA Appendix C with the Italian language group, but it would be more than 300 years apart between the 14th century Italian element, and the 17th century Spanish element.

Maridonna Benvenuti at 2013-01-10 19:06:45

Italian writer, Olimpia Malipiera, Viniziana, figluola di Lionardo,(Olimpia Malipiera, woman from Venice, daughter (or child) of Lionardo) [fl. 1567] is found in Dell'istoria della volgar poesia, Volume 5, Giovan Mario Crescimbeni, 1700 C.E., #35, p.84. Googlebooks PDF Accessed 1/10/2013 Url: OiwKlo4HYCA&ved=0CC4Q6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=Olympia%20malipiera&f=false

Olimpia Malipiera, 1560, is also found in Indice Rimatrici, a list of women Italian writers I had found at Accessed 11/4/07, but the PDF is no longer on the web, or Internet archive. I'll send the PDF to those who are interested. Not all names are within SCA period. Period names are clearly marked with the date. In Italian. Another is Olimpia Caraffa, 1550, in the same PDF.

Alys Mackyntoich (Eastern Crown) at 2013-01-14 13:26:37

<Veronica> is also found as a female given name in "Names from Sixteenth Century Venice" by Juliana de Luna ( <Francesco> appears as a masculine name in the same article.

Appendix A of SENA allows for unmarked patronymics in Italian (

Combined with Maridonna's evidence of <Olimpia> as a given name of a Venetian woman in the 16th cen., this name falls together for 16th cen. Venice rather more nicely than I expected.

This item was on the 05-2013 LoAR

5: William Drake of Drakerath - New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.

[William] - `14th Century Worcestershire Masculine Names' Sara L. Uckelman (

[Drake] - `Drake Family Seats' (

[Drakereth] - `Drake Family Seats' (, as Drakerath

Submitted as "William Drake of Drakereth." Changed at kingdom to "William Drake of Drakerath" due to that being the documented spelling.

Please note that as of January 12, 2013, the submitter has withdrawn his request for authenticity.

Consulting Herald: Gwilim de Glamorgan

Thus ends the February 2013 Letter of Intent.

In Service,

Andrew von Otelingen

Rampart Herald

OSCAR counts 4 New Names and 2 New Devices. These 6 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $18 for them. There are a total of 6 items submitted on this letter.

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