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Outlands LoI dated 2012-12-31

From the Office of Rampart Herald



Baron Randal Carrick (Randall Jackson)



rampart@outlandsheralds.org



Unto the Sovereigns and members of the College of Arms of the Society, does Randal Carrick, Rampart Herald send his greetings. What follows is the December 2012 Letter of Intent for the Kingdom of the Outlands. I would like to thank the following heralds for providing commentary for this letter: Mistress Fiachra ni Ciardhubhain, White Stag Principal Herald; Mistress Francesca de Pavia, Ray-de-Soleil Pursuivant, Master Louis-Philippe Mitouard, Catspaw Herald Extraordinary; THL Eric Morrison, Hawk's Hollow Pursuivant; Lady Leonor Ruiz de Lison; Lord Andrew von Otelingen; Lady Katelin de Irlande; THL Conrad von Zollern; Lady Khalidah bint Yayah, Castle Herald; Faelan O' Laghlan, Readstan Pursuivant; Ines Alfon, Blanch Tiger Herald; Lady Shoshanah Simkhah bas Ruven; Aryanhwy merch Catmael; Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada, Aldyrne Herald; Gunnvor silfraharr; Andreas von Meißen, Nautilus Herald; Alys Mackyntoich, Eastern Crown Herald; Modar Neznanich, (Interim) Gold Falcon Herald; Lady Pipa Sparkes; Lord Caoimhin McKee, Kite Herald, Lady Rohese de Dinan, Shadowdale Pursuivant, Lady Aritê gunê Akasa; Lord Einarr Grimsson, Gold Falcon Herald emeritus; Ursula Georges, Green Staff Herald; and Gawain of Miskbridge, Green Anchor Herald.



It is my intent to register this December the following items from the Outlands College of Heralds:

This item was on the 03-2013 LoAR

1: Alamanda de la Roca - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2010, via the Outlands

Per chevron azure and argent two mullets of eight points argent and a salamander passant regardant sable enflamed proper

Submitter's previous device, Per chevron azure and argent, three mullets of eight point one and two argent and a salamander rampant sable, was returned on the April 2012 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2012-03-lop/1204-lor.html) with the following:

{Return for re-draw. This device is not on the standard shield shape from the approved forms, so it makes it hard to tell, but the line of division is way too low on the field. (Using the guides on the standard form, the chevron should have as much of the point above the horizontal marks as it has below at the sides). Further, the mullets are too small to really be considered co-primary. Finally, the charge at the bottom was not readily identified as a salamander, being described as the Geico Gecko or a ferret. If this is to be a heraldic salamander it needs flames. If it is to be a natural salamander it needs to either be tergiant or drawn very carefully, with appropriate detailing, in order to allow the viewer to distinguish it from a weasel or ferret.}

Submitter's previous device, Per chevron azure and argent two mullets of eight points argent and a salamander rampant sable enflamed proper, was returned on the September 2012 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2012-08-lop/1209-lor.html) with the following:

{Returned for redraw. This is not a proper rendition of flames proper. Flames proper are alternating tongues of gules and Or. Flames Or fimbriated gules (which is the closest to what this is) have been disallowed for decades now.  Acceptable images of an heraldic salamander enflamed can be seen here: https://oscar.sca.org/cImages/54/2012-08-09/14-44-16_Salamander.jpg and here: https://oscar.sca.org/cImages/520/2012-08-09/19-16-47_Alamanda%20de%20la%20Roca2_Color.jpg }

Submitter has redrawn the device and provided image documentation for the salamander and flame style used.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=413/2012-12-31/13-06-22_21-59-46_alamanda1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=413/2012-12-31/13-06-23_21-59-47_alamanda2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=413/2012-12-31/13-06-24_21-59-48_alamanda3.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=413/2012-12-31/13-06-24_21-59-49_alamanda4.jpg


This item was on the 03-2013 LoAR

2: Béibhinn inghean Uí Shéibhleáin - New Name & New Device

Argent, six birds close and on a chief indented azure four mullets argent

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Client requests authenticity for 11th-14th Century Irish.
Language most important.
Culture most important.

[Béibhinn] - 'Index of Names in Irish Annals: Bébinn / Béibhinn' Kathleen M. O'Brien (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Bebinn.shtml)

[Séibhleáin] - '16th & 17th Century Anglicized Irish Surnames from Woulfe' Kathleen M. O'Brien (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/Woulfe/SortedByGaelicSpelling_S.shtml)

Originally submitted as Béibhinn inghean Séibhleáin, this name was changed at Kingdom based on submitter's authenticity request and the following commentary:

Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Aldyrne) at 2012-11-08 23:50:26

The construction <Béibhinn inghean Séibhleáin> means:

"[woman's given name] daughter (of) [her father's given name]"

This means that <Séibhleáin> is the genitive form of her father's given name. (When used as his given name in his own name, it would take the nominative form and I'm not 100% sure what that form is offhand.)

However, that construction is not what is supported by the documentation. My Woulfe article supports the existence of <Ó Séibhleáin> (or something very close to it - Woulfe's forms are a touch too modern on rare occasions) as a family name in the late 16th and/or early 17th C.

Support for a family name of <Ó Séibhleáin> used circa 1600 does not support <Séibhleáin> (in the nominative form) used as a given name. If we don't have support for <Séibhleáin> (in the nominative form) used as a given name, it is not plausible for the submitted construction.

If the submitter wants a reference to the <Ó Séibhleáin> family (which I suspect may be the case given the docs come from my Woulfe article), then the correct form to indicate that would be:

<Béibhinn inghean Uí Shéibhleáin>

which means:

"Béibhinn daughter (of the) Ó Séibhleáin (family)"

If she wants to mean that her father's given name (not his family name) was Séibhleáin (nominative form), then we will need to do some research to see if a form of this was used as a given name in Early Modern Irish.


This item was on the 03-2013 LoAR

3: Elyse Morgaine - New Name & New Device

Argent, on a chevron azure three lozenges Or between three roses proper

Sound most important.

[Elyse] - "Elyse Far" was christened 07 Jun 1578 in Crediton, Devon, England ("England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," index, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMPV-YZK : accessed 21 Nov 2012), Elyse Far, 07 Jun 1578; citing reference , FHL microfilm 917182.)

[Morgaine] - Dictionary of Tudor London Names, dated to 1582 (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/tudorlondon.pdf)


This item was on the 03-2013 LoAR

4: Elyse Morgaine - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of December 31, 2012 as submitted.

Fieldless, a rose proper each petal charged with a lozenge Or

This submission is to be associated with Elyse Morgaine


This item was on the 03-2013 LoAR

5: Gillian Godfrey - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

[Gillian] - 'Faire Names for English Folk: Late Sixteenth Century English Names' Chris Laning (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/christian/fairnames/givennames.html#women)

[Godfrey] - 'Faire Names for English Folk: Late Sixteenth Century English Names' Chris Laning (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/christian/fairnames/surnames.html#list)

On the original paperwork, this name is submitted as "Gillan Godfrey", without the i in the given name. After contacting the submitter for clarification, the forms were corrected to "Gillian".

After a perusal of the submitter's source, the following additional documentation was provided:

Ásfríðr Úlfvíðardóttir at 2012-11-09 05:19:24

<Gillian> also shows up in St. Gabriel report 2357 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2357+0)

"Forms of <Juliana> using <G-> were most popular in England. We found the following spellings throughout the Middle Ages:

....

Gillian 1273, 1568, 1573, 1574, 16th C [1,3,5,9,10,17]

....

Gillyan 1573 [9]

Gyllian 1573 [9]

Gyllyan 1578 [17]"

<Godfrey> appears once as a surname, from the Minchinhampton marriage register, which is dated to 1576 according to

Names found in Minchinhampton, Gloucestershire Marriage Registers 1566-1600 by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sara L. Friedemann)

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/english/minchinhampton.html


This item was on the 03-2013 LoAR

6: Lingormr gympe eykr - Resub Name & Resub Device

Argent, a wingless sea-dragon erect contourny purpure and in chief three thistles purpure slipped and leaved vert

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.

Submitter's previous name, Lingormr gympe inn eyke, was returned on the December 2007 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2007/12/07-12lar.html) with the following:

{The grammar of this name is incorrect. The byname ekyr is documented as a byname meaning "horse, beast of burden", in other words it is a noun used as a byname. The element inn, however, when found in bynames, is only used with weak-form adjectives. We would drop the element inn, but the submitter will not allow major changes such as dropping an element. Therefore, we are forced to return this name.}

[Lingormr] - The Viking Answer Lady: "Old Norse Men's Names" (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml): "From OW.Norse lyngormr "dragon that creeps through the heather." Occurs in the runic accusative case form linkorm. FJ p. 350 s.v. -ormr; CV pp. 468-469 s.v. ormr; NR s.n. LingormR, -ormR (these sources are: CV = Cleasby, Richard and Guðbrandr Vigfusson. An Icelandic-English Dictionary. 2nd ed. Oxford: Clarendon. 1957; NR = Lena Peterson. Nordiskt runnamnslexikon. (Dictionary of Names from Old Norse Runic Inscriptions). Språk- och folkminnes-institutet (Institute for Dialectology, Onomastics and Folklore Research). Accessed 30 September 2005.)

[gympe] - The Viking Answer Lady: "Old Norse Men's Names" (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml), under the header Gimp: "Originally a by-name related to the Norwegian and Swedish dialect term gimpa, "to sway one's buttocks." Occurs as a by-name in Sweden. Anglo-Scandinavian forms include Gimpi, Gympe. FJ pp. 101 s.n. Gimp. (this source is: FJ = Fellows-Jensen, Gillian. Scandinavian Personal Names in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire. Copenhagen. Akademisk Forlag. 1968.)

[Eykr] - The Viking Answer Lady: "Old Norse Men's Names" (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml): Originally a by-name in West Scandinavia meaning "beast of burden, horse." Anglo-Scandinavian forms include the Latinized Aichus. FJ p. 77 s.n. Eykr (this source is: FJ = Fellows-Jensen, Gillian. Scandinavian Personal Names in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire. Copenhagen. Akademisk Forlag. 1968.)

Originally submitted as "Lingorm gympe Eykr", the spelling of the given name was changed to add the final "r", and the capitalization of the byname was removed to match the documentation

Submitter's previous device, Or, a dragon sinister purpure maintaining in each forepaw an axe sable hafted proper, in base a drakkar, and in canton the constellation Ursa Minor sable, was returned on the August 2007 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2007-07-lop/0708-lor.html) with the following:

{Commenters indicate that there are several issues with the device. Laurel precedent forbids the use of constellations within SCA armory, and was most recently affirmed in September 2000: [in chevron five compass stars elongated palewise] To quote Clarion: "It is standard SCA and mundane practice to put charges 'in {ordinary}.'" Thus, this does not fall afoul of the ban against charges in arch, nor that forbidding constellations. [Johann von Sternberg, 09/00, A-Ansteorra] Commeters also indicate that the dragon is wingless and not in a standard heraldic posture, both generating problems with non-period style as well as reproducibility. Finally sails of ships were used in armory to display badges that the bearer was entitled to. This requires sails to be checked for conflict independently. This sail conflicts with the following: United States - December of 1994 (via Laurel) - Argent, six palets gules and a chief azure. 1 CD for removal of the chief. Device returned for Laurel precedent (use of constellations), violation of Rfs VII.7.b (reproducibility of dragon), and conflict of sail armory.}


This item was on the 03-2013 LoAR

7: Livia Agrinali - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for 16th Century Italian.
Sound most important.
Language most important.

[Livia] - 'Names from 16th Century Venice' Juliana de Luna (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/16thcvenice.html)

[Agrinali] - 'Surnames from a 16th Century Armorial' Cobliath Muimnech (http://www.coblaith.net/Names/ItSur/AG.html)


This item was on the 03-2013 LoAR

8: Wilhelm Reissen - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2010, via the Outlands

Vert, three bear pawprints within a bordure Or

Submitter's previous device, Vert, 3 bear pawprints Or was returned on the September 2012 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2012-08-lop/1209-lor.html) with the following:

{Returned for conflict with Mac Con mac Rod�in, reg.11/97 (via Atlantia): Per pall azure, sable and argent, three paw prints two and one Or. There is only one countable difference for the field.}


Thus ends the December 2012 Letter of Intent.

In Service,

Baron Randal Carrick

Rampart Herald


OSCAR counts 4 New Names, 3 New Devices and 1 New Badge. These 8 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $24 for them. OSCAR counts 1 Resub Name and 2 Resub Devices. These 3 items are not chargeable. There are a total of 11 items submitted on this letter.

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