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Outlands LoI dated 2012-11-25

From the Office of Rampart Herald

Baron Randal Carrick (Randall Jackson)

rampart@outlandsheralds.org



Unto the Sovereigns and members of the College of Arms of the Society, does Randal Carrick, Rampart Herald send his greetings. What follows is the November 2012 Letter of Intent for the Kingdom of the Outlands. I would like to thank the following heralds for providing commentary for this letter: Mistress Francesca de Pavia, Ray-de-Soleil Pursuivant, Master Louis-Philippe Mitouard, Catspaw Herald Extraordinary; THL Eric Morrison, Hawk's Hollow Pursuivant; Lady Leonor Ruiz de Lison; Lord Andrew von Otelingen; Lady Katelin de Irlande; Lady Khalidah bint Yayah, Castle Herald; Faelan O' Laghlan, Readstan Pursuivant; Ines Alfon, Blanch Tiger Herald; Lady Shoshanah Simkhah bas Ruven; Aryanhwy merch Catmael; Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada, Aldyrne Herald; Gunnvor silfraharr; Andreas von Meißen, Nautilus Herald; Alys Mackyntoich, Eastern Crown Herald; Modar Neznanich, (Interim) Gold Falcon Herald; Lady Pipa Sparkes; Lady Rohese de Dinan, Shadowdale Pursuivant; Lord Einarr Grimsson, Gold Falcon Herald emeritus; Ursula Georges, Green Staff Herald; Gawain of Miskbridge, Green Anchor Herald; and especially this month Gunnvor silfraharr, Orle Herald.



It is my intent to register this November the following items from the Outlands College of Heralds:

This item was on the 02-2013 LoAR

1: Bree Norwood - New Name & New Device

Sable, two serpents erect, on a chief engrailed argent a cinquefoil vert between two cinquefoils sable.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

[Bree] - Submitter's legal name, no documentation provided

[Norwood] - 'Faire Names for English Folk: Late Sixteenth Century English Names' Chris Laning

(http://s-gabriel.org/names/christian/fairnames/surnames.html#list)

Better documentation for each name element was provided by commenters at Kingdom as follows:

Alys Mackyntoich (Eastern Crown) at 2012-10-09 22:51:32

Laning's article modernizes names, but <Norwood> is found in "English Names found in Brass Enscriptions" by Julian Goodwyn(http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/brasses/lastnameIZ.htm#N) dated to 1598.

Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sans Repose) at 2012-11-15 03:18:00

<Pascasia Bree> (isn't that a pretty name?) was baptised 1598 in St. Germains, Cornwall, per IGI batch C05315-1. Thus, evidence of the legal name isn't required, since this can be registered under the surnames-as-given-names allowance.


This item was on the 02-2013 LoAR

2: Dairenn of Galway - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2012, via the Outlands

Azure, a fox's mask argent and a ford proper, on a chief enarched argent, two trefoil knots vert.

Submitter's name was registered on the May 2012 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/05/12-05lar.html) via the Outlands.

Submitter's previous device, Azure chapé ployé plumetty argent and vert, a fox's mask argent , was returned on the May 2012 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/05/12-05lar.html) with the following:

{This device is returned for conflict with the device of Fandral Silverfox, Sable, a fox's mask argent, and with the badge of Stefan von Bernhardt, Per bend sinister azure and vert, a wolf's head caboshed argent. Under both the Rules for Submission and the Standards for Evaluation, there is a CD/DC for the change to the field, but no difference for the forced arrangement upon the field of the primary charge.}


This item was on the 02-2013 LoAR

3: Elspeth Wynterbourne - New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in February of 2013, via the Outlands.

Old Item: Elspeth the Semstress of Dunkeld, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a feminine name.

[Elspeth] - Withycombe, 3rd Ed, pg 100, s.n. Elizabeth. <Elspeth> is shown as a Scottish variant of the name <Elizabeth>.

'15th-Century Scots Names from Dunfermline' Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/scots/dunfermline/) Dates Elspeth of Ochterlowny to 1447

[Wynterbourne] - Reaney & Wilson, revised 3rd Ed, pg. 496, lists William Wynterbourne, 1372.

Thomas Wynterbourne was the Dean of St. Paul's from 1471-1478. Horn, J.M. (1963). Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae 1300-1541. Volume 5: St. Paul's, London. British History Online, pp. 4-7 (http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=32379)


This item was on the 02-2013 LoAR

4: Farin le Breton - New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: filing name should not be registered for a primary name change. It was, in in February of 2013, via the Outlands.

Old Item: Ian the Fariner of Dunkeld, to be retained as an alternate name.
Submitter desires a masculine name.
No changes.

[Farin] - 'An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris' Colm Dubh (heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/paris.html), Farine

Biographie Universelle Ancienne et Moderne, M. Guilbert, pg. 199 (http://books.google.com/books/about/Biographie_universelle_ancienne_et_moder.html?id=6ko_AAAAcAAJ)

Tournal et le Tournaisis, Hennebert, pgs 312, 313, 314, 316 (Scans Attached)

[le Breton] - 'An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris' Colm Dubh (heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/paris.html)

There is considerable disagreement among commenters as to whether this is an acceptable given name; I believe the commentary from Louis-Philippe and Aryanhwy sum the differences up nicely:

Louis-Philippe

[Farin] - The submitter gives three sources for Farin as a first name. We find all three doubtful and conclude that Farin is likely, as previously documented, a surname meaning a miller.

On the first citation: 'An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris', [An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris by Lord Colm Dubh ©1996, 2005 Scott Catledge, (heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/paris.html)] the entry reads Farine Lambert. Although the listing shows the profession first, this is likely an anomaly. Farine is likely the profession. Lambert is likely the first name. Lambert can be convincingly documented from Dauzat as a first name (Lambert : ancient baptismal name of germanic origin Land-berht - Dauzat, Noms et Prenoms, pg 361). Farine is described as a profession : "farinier / fariniere / : miller/flour seller",

That the items listed here are even proper surnames is to be doubted. The entries in the Census of Paris are best described as a first name and a profession. The author's preface describes this:

"more identification than a given name was required for tax purposes. The byname might be descriptive, locative, relational, or occupational. By 1292 a few of the bynames had begun to harden into family names; however, the specific intent of this index was to identify the occupational bynames - male and female - that were used to help identify different taxpayer - not to identify which occupational bynames had already coagulated into a family name." We conclude that this source does not convincingly show Farine/Farin is a valid given name.

On the second citation: Biographie Universelle Ancienne et Moderne, M. Guilbert, pg. 199 (http://books.google.com/books/about/Biographie_universelle_ancienne_et_moder.html?id=6ko_AAAAcAAJ), we can only find the following reference to Farin/Farine as a noun, meaning wheat, on page 45 (scanned as page 57).

De très-ingénieuses expériences sur le froment et la farine lui valurent d' honorables suffrages. On a de lui : 1° Chimie du goût et de l'odorat, ou Principes pour composer à peu de frais les liqueurs à boire et les eaux de senteur, Paris, 1755, ...

"He gets honorable mention for his very ingenious experiments on wheat and flour. One has from him: "A first Chemistry of taste and smell, or principles to compose cheaply liqueurs to drink and scented waters", Paris, 1755 ...

On the third source : Tournal et le Tournaisis, Hennebert, pgs 312, 313, 314, 316 (Scans Attached)

The translation of the cited pages in pertinent part reads:

"The first of these charters is a supposed will of Count Herbert IV, dated to 1059 (1). We have seen that Herbert IV was living before in 1076; this will was thus made 17 years before his death. But this is still stronger, that is the people there described who were not yet born at the date of the document. In effect Herbert says that comes after his son Eudes. Thus it is included in the will of Herbert IV, Eudes Farin, son of Eudes de Vermandois, and with him his two alleged brothers and Ellebaud Sohier.

Again, in the example Eudes Farin, Farin is the surname or profession, Eudes is the first name (see Dauzat, ibid, pg 242 - Eudes, ancient baptismal name of Germanic origin ...)

Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sans Repose) at 2012-11-07 02:51:28

Whoa. I consulted with this guy back in 2003 about this name change. Let me see if I still have the info...

Cool, I do.

Me: The Paris census has one <Farine Lambert>. Can anyone tell me if this is masculine or feminine, and if it's feminine, would it be reasonable to think it's a feminine form of a masculine <*Farin>?

Reply on S. Gabriel, probably from Arval or Talan: Certainly looks feminine. I don't think it's safe to assume that the masculine equivalent existed. I'll try to check some other sources.

Me: Dauzat thinks that the surname <Farin> may in some cases be from a pet form of the masculine name <Faron>, from Gmc. <Faro>.

Arval: Morlet Picarde pp.124, 129 has one 14th century instance each of <Farin> and <Ferin>, noted as hypocoristics in <-in>; and a 15th century <Faron>. On p.89 she has two other names form the same prototheme, <Feraut> and <Feraude>.

The <Farine Lambert> in the Paris census is on p.3 of Geraud's transcription (1c in Michaelsson), which is in the section of "Lombarz" resident in Paris, i.e. Italians. However, she is listed as the second name in an entry, after <Lion de Moges>, so she may be a servant. The full entry is:

Lion de Moges; -- Farine Lambert, à la Kalandre ... 38 livres

I'd say it is at least a plausible French name for this period.

This is certainly sufficient to give the submitter the benefit of the doubt.

Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Sans Repose) at 2012-11-07 03:32:26

<Farin Moteley> was christened 28 May 1637 in Leicester, per IGI batch C03462-1. English and French can be combined per Appendix C.


This item was on the 02-2013 LoAR

5: Juan Osorio de Segovia - New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for 15/16c Castillian.
Culture (15/16c Castillian) most important.

[Juan] - '16th Century Spanish Names' Elsbeth Anne Roth (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/spanish/male-given-freq.html)

[Osorio] - 'Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century' Juliana de Luna (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/isabella/surnames-other.html)

[de Segovia] -'16th Century Spanish Names' Elsbeth Anne Roth

(http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/spanish/bynames-alpha.html)

[Name Pattern] - '16th Century Spanish Names' Elsbeth Anne Roth (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/spanish/index.html)

Consulting Herald: Ildaria de Zaragozza


Thus ends the November 2012 Letter of Intent.



In Service,

Baron Randal Carrick

Rampart Herald


OSCAR counts 2 New Names, 2 New Name Changes and 1 New Device. These 5 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $15 for them. OSCAR counts 1 Resub Device. This item is not chargeable. There are a total of 6 items submitted on this letter.

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