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Outlands LoP dated 2012-09-09

Outlands College of Heralds



September 9, 2012 From the Office of the Castle Herald

Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a

castle@outlandsheralds.org



Unto the Outlands College of Heralds, our respected friends and colleagues who give freely of their time to provide commentary, and all others who come by these letters, on this 9th day of September, A.S. XLVII (2012 CE), does Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a send greetings on behalf of Mistress Fiachra ni Ciardhubhain, White Stag Principal Herald.It would assist Castle Herald greatly in the future if you would e-mail a copy of the documentation summary for name submissions along with the paper copies. It saves having to re-type everything again. Also, please be sure that you include dates of registration and return for armory for previously registered names and resubmissions of any kind. If Castle can't find where an item was returned, it may be pended until the information is provided or payment is made for a new submission.



Here follows the Kingdom of the Outlands' Letter of Presentation for September 2012. Your comments and suggestions are always welcome. Errors found herein are my sole responsibility. Anyone may comment upon the items found herein, and e-mail commentary to the herald's commentary list is encouraged. Please have comments on items contained herein to Rampart Herald by October 15, 2012, for the decision meeting tentatively scheduled for October 17, 2012. As a reminder, the College of Arms requests commentary on all items, including appeals.

1: Adriana of Riverhold -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 1999, via the Outlands

Per chevron Or and Argent, a chevron wavy azure, in base a (ponderosa pine) tree couped proper

Submitter's previous device, Or, a bend sinister wavy azure between a castle argent and a fur tree couped proper, was returned on the October 2010 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2010-09-lop/1010-lor.html) with the following:

{RETURNED for multiple issues. First, the argent castle has insufficient contrast with the Or field per RFS VIII.2 (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/rfs.html#8.2). Second, the bend as drawn is not blazonable. A bend wavy should have deeper, regular waves along the entire length of the bend.}

Consulting Herald: Carloman Macht


2: Aodh Puirt Lairge -Resub Name & New Device

Vert, an axe Or between three cups inverted argent, a bordure argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Submitter's previous name, Y Port Lairge, was returned on the January 2003 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2003/01/03-01lar.html) via Ansteorra with the following:

{This name is being returned for improper construction of the byname. Port Lairge is the Gaelic form of the place known as Waterford in English or Anglicized Irish. In Irish Gaelic, locative bynames referring to towns are formed by putting the placename into the genitive case. As the submitter did not allow any changes, we were unable to correct the byname to Puirt Lairge in order to register this name. A fully Gaelic form of this name would be Aodh Puirt Lairge.}

Submitter has submitted the suggested change and provided no additional documentation

Consulting Herald: Anzelm Kowalski


3: Bono de Vizcaya -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Culture (Spanish/Basque) most important.

[Bono] - 'Basque Onomastics of the Eight to Sixteenth Centuries', Karen Larsdatter (http://larsdatter.com/basque/1bc.htm) - Bono (m) - from Latin bonus ("good") domno Bono Amico, 1204.

[de Vizcaya] - Submitter states: "Vizcaya is the Spanish translation of the Biscay, a predominatly Basque province of Spain, and a historical territory of Spain first appearing in records in 825." No documentation was provided beyond the statement.

Consulting Herald: Anzelm Kowalski


4: Charles D' Amour -New Household Name & New Badge

OSCAR finds the name on the Outlands LoI of July 24, 2012 as Charles D' Amour.

Chateau D' Amour

Quarterly argent and azure, a heart within a bordure embattled counterchanged

Sound most important.

No documentation provided.

Consulting Heralds: Charles D'Amour & Anzelm Kowalski


5: Decimus Modius Varro -New Name & New Device

Per pale argent and sable, a spider displayed sable, a talbot rampant argent and in base, a point pointed counterchanged

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No changes.
Language (Latin) most important.
Culture (Roman) most important.

[Decimus] - 'Nova Roma: Roman Names' (http://novaroma.org/via_romana/names2.html#praenomen)

[Modius] - 'Roman Names: Nomen (Family Name)' (http://tekeli.li/onomastikon/Ancient-World/Rome/Nomina.html)

[Varro] - 'Nova Roma: Roman Names' (http://novaroma.org/via_romana/names2.html#cognomen)

Consulting Herald: Rowland Grey of Lincolnshire


6: Iuette du Canard Blanc -New Name & New Device

Argent, a brown bear rampant proper, on a chief purpure, three fleur de lis Or

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Culture (12th Century French) most important.
Meaning (Yvette of the White Duck) most important.

[Iuette] - 'ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 3009' (http://www.s-gabriel.org/3009)

[du Canard Blanc] - Submitter states: "du Canard Blanc follows the French custom of names from Taverns and Bars and the construction of those titles in period. (i.e. la moluin rouge)." No documentation was provided beyond the statement.

Consulting Herald: Anzelm Kowalski

Castle Herald's Note: Some of the Submitter's paperwork is filled out as Iuette Du Canard Blanc.


7: Johanna Morganstern -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound (Jo-Anna Morgan-stern) most important.

[Johanna] - 'Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames', Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/reaneyHZ.html)

[Morganstern] - No documentation provided

Consulting Herald: Anzelm Kowalski


8: Jorhildr Hrafn Skald -Resub Name & Resub Device

Per saltire vert and argent in pale a raven perched on a thistle and a boar proper

Culture (Old Norse) most important.
Meaning (Jorhildr the Raven Poet) most important.

[Jorhildr] - 'Old Norse Women's Names' (http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml#j)

[Hrafn] -'Viking Names found in Landnámabók' Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html)

[Skald] - 'Viking Names found in Landnámabók' Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html) Castle Herald's Note: Did not locate 'Skald' on the article provided.

Submitter's previous name, Jorhildr Hrafnskald Cuilleann, and device, Per saltire vert and argent in pale a raven perched on a thistle and a boar proper were returned on the December 2011 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2011-11-lop/1112-lor.html) with the following:

{The College of Arms does not register nicknames. In this case, this name must be returned for several reasons; it contains a feminine given name with a masculine byname of suspect construction, it appears to use a <given name>+<given name>+<byname> construction that is not appropriate for Old Norse, and finally, the Gaelic name used as a surname is actually a given name, nbut we could find no evidence it was ever spelled this way. The device is returned for lack of a name to send it up with. On re-submission, submitter should be aware that the thistle is large enough visually to potentially be considered a sustained charge, making three charges in the primary charge group, which is not registerable.}

Consulting Herald: Anzelm Kowalski


9: Kateryna de Blakemere -New Name

Culture (14th Century English) most important.

[Kateryna] - 'Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames', Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/reaneyHZ.html)

[de Blakemere] - A Dictionary of English Surnames, Reaney and Wilson 3rd Edition, pg 47, header "Blackmer" gives a Kateryna de Blakemere dated to 1296 PN.

Consulting Herald: Conal Mor MacNachtan


10: Kinna de Blakemere -New Name

Culture (14th Century English) most important.

[Kinna] - 'Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames', Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/reaneyHZ.html)

[de Blakemere] - A Dictionary of English Surnames, Reaney and Wilson 3rd Edition, pg 47, header "Blackmer" gives a Kateryna de Blakemere dated to 1296 PN.

Consulting Herald: Conal Mor MacNachtan


11: Leif Dálsson -New Name & New Device

Azure, a norse sun cross between four triqutra in cross, points to center, argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound most important.

[Leif] - No documentation provided but there are 21 listed in the O & A

[Dálsson] - Dálkr - 'Viking Names found in Landnámabók' Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html)

Consulting Herald's Note: Submitter believes that to include the -sson on the end of Dálkr, the kr must be dropped which gives him something very similar to his original request of Dalesson (Dale's Son). The consulting Herald, being very unfamiliar with Norse names, was unable to find documentation for Dalesson beyond a Leif Moonshadow Dalesonn registered on the March 1996 LoAR via An Tir. If someone more knowledgeable can provide documentation for Dalesson, Dalesonn or some similar variation, the submitter would be most delighted and eager to register that instead.

Consulting Heralds: Khalidah bint Yahya'a & Andrew von Otelingen


12: Lelien Widoeghe -Resub Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2009, via the Outlands

Per pale argent and vert four fleur-de-lys counterchanged

Old Item: Argent, on a pile rayonny vert, a lily of the valley slipped and leaved argent, to be retained as a badge.

Submitter's current device, Argent, on a pile rayonny vert, a lily of the valley slipped and leaved argent, was registered on the January 2010 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/01/10-01lar.html) via the Outlands.

Submitter's previous device change, Per pale vert and argent, six fleur-de-lys two, two, and two counterchanged, was returned on the August 2011 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2011-07-lop/1108-lor.html) stating the following:

{RETURNED for conflict with Helena Sibylla, reg. 4/10 via the Middle: Per pale vert and argent all semy-de-lys counterchanged. Unless we count a CD between six and an indeterminate number (and we do not), there are no countable differences between the devices at all.}

Submitter's previous device change, Per pale argent and vert four fleur-de-lys counterchanged, was returned on the April 2012 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/04/12-04lar.html) with the following:

{This device is returned for conflict with the badge of the Shire of Glaedenfeld, Quarterly argent and vert, four fleurs-de-lys counterchanged. There is one CD for the change of field, but nothing for the forced change of arrangement of the charges.}

Submitter has obtained a letter with Permission to Conflict from the Seneschal of the Shire of Glaedenfeld.

Submitter wishes to retain her current device as a badge.

Consulting Herald: Charles Blackstone


13: Piers de Blakemere -New Name & New Device

Argent, a serpent knowed purpure between in bed two crosses flory sable

Culture (14th Century English) most important.

[Piers] - 'Brass Enscription Index' Julian Goodwyn (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/brasses/men.html), documents Piers, a form of Peter, and dates this spelling to 1390

[de Blakemere] - A Dictionary of English Surnames, Reaney and Wilson 3rd Edition, pg 47, header "Blackmer" gives a Kateryna de Blakemere dated to 1296 PN.

Consulting Herald: Conal Mor MacNachtan


14: Sophie von Schönburg -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.

[Sophie] - Bahlow/Gentry (heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/bahlow_v.htm)

[von] - Von is a locative part of a German surname, meaning "from." Times of the data used include 1441 & 1497. (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/womenssurnames.html)

Von is a locative part of a German byname (http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#AppendixB)

[Schoenburg] - (http://www.hotel-schoenburg.com/rhine-hotel-pictures-photos-small/rhine-river-map/middle-age-history -knight.html) - Schoenburg Castle is first mentioned in history between 911 and 1166.

(http://www.world-heritage-middle-rhine-valley.de/index.php?id=108&L=3) - History of the castle; dates it to the 1st half of the 12th century.

(saebi.isgv.de/s/saebi.php) - enter "Schoenburg" (or Schonburg with the umlaut over the o; can't figure out how to do it on this blasted windows machine) in the box labeled "name." It pulls up birth & death dates, locations, and professions. Usage of von Schoenburg is seen here, earliest date is 1224.

Gravett, Christopher. 'The History of Castles: Fortifications Around the World', p.75, dates the castle to 1149 and discusses its passing into the hands of the Counts/Dukes of Schoenburg.

Consulting Herald: Selene of the Sky


15: Violetta Villani -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2010, via the Outlands

Gules, two garden roses slipped and leaved crossed at the stems in saltire and on a chief argent three butterflies sable

Consulting Herald: Michael Batcok via Heralds' Point at Pennsic


16: Willow Makedance -Resub Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Meaning ('Willow' and 'dance') most important.

Submitter's previous name, Vvillequin d' Maquereau, was returned on the June 2012 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/06/12-06lar.html#Outlands_returns17) as it was withdrawn by the Kingdom of the Outlands.

[Willow] - From the April 2006 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2006/04/06-04lar.html):

{There was some question whether Wyllow was a male or a female name. It is a masculine name. The source cited by the submitted documentation, William of Worcester's Itineraries, says of this saint "Sanctus Wyllow heremita fuie consocius Sancti Mancus et Sancti Midbard et eius festum tenetur die Jovis proxima ante festum Pentacosten..." (Saint Wyllow, hermit, was companion of Saint Mancus and Saint Midbard; his feast is held on the Thursday before Pentecost). (Ansteorra-R, Wyllow MacMuireadhaigh)}

[Makedance] - '"Misplaced" Names in Reaney & Wilson' Jeanne Marie Lacroix (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/misplacednamesbyname.htm)

Consulting Herald: Anzelm Kowalski

Correction (2012-Sep-23 16:09:25): This item has been withdrawn by Castle Herald, at the submitter's request, because their prior name submission passed on the July 2012 LoAR.


Thus ends the September 2012 Letter of Presentation.



In Service,

Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a

Castle Herald


OSCAR counts 12 Names, 1 Household Name, 8 Devices, 1 Device Change and 1 Badge. There are a total of 23 items submitted on this letter.

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