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Outlands LoP dated 2012-03-11

Greetings!



This is a test of the Outlands Internal Commentary System. This is only a test. We are still accepting commentary on the February and March Letters of Presentation on the Outlands-heralds@yahoogroups.com and o-commentary@yahoogroups.com mailing lists for the time being.

1: Akilina Ianikitova -New Name & New Device

Purpure, a mouse dormant and a natural lily argent

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Language (Kievon Rus) most important.
Culture (Kievon Rus) most important.

[Akilina] - 'Dictionary of Period Russian Names' by Paul Wickenden of Thanet (http://heraldry.sca.org/paul/a.html)

[Ianikit] - 'Dictionary of Period Russian Names' by Paul Wickenden of Thanet (http://heraldry.sca.org/paul/h-j.html) - Ianikitova being the feminine variant.

Correction (2012-Mar-12 00:03:55): Was submitted as AKILINA IANIKITOVA.


2: Alamanda de la Roca -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2010, via the Outlands

Per chevron azure and argent, three mullets of eight point one and two argent and a salamander rampant sable


3: Andrew von Otelingen -New Household Name & New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2009, via the Outlands

Blue Barrel Inn

Fieldless, a barrel azure hooped argent

Client requests authenticity for A SCA appropriate household name in English.

[Inn] - Per Precedent on the February 2002 LoAR "Inn is an acceptable designator for a household name". (Kathryn atte Unicorn, Feb '02, Ansteorra). (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/02/02-02lar.html)

[Blue Barrel] - That same precedent discusses the use of "inn sign names" - names based on the sign's picture. This rule is also discussed in many other precedents though a full RULE for it was not found. As the name matches the Badge to be associated with it, the submitter believes it is appropriate.

Submitter states: 'I desire the household name to fit with its easily-reproducible badge and vice versa. I appreciate any needed attempt to fix either. If either is found un-workable, I request both be returned that I can try to find another alternative.'

Correction (2012-Mar-21 20:03:06): Submitter will NOT allow the creation of a holding name.


4: Basseva bat Salamon -New Name & New Device

Argent, a swan niaint sable between three roses purpure barbed and seeded proper

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No changes.
Culture (Jewish - see documentation) most important.
Meaning (Jewish - see documentation) most important.

[Basseva] - 'Jewish Women's Names in 13th to 15th Century Navarre' by Julia Kahan (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juetta/nav_intro.html)

[bat] - 'daughter of'

[Salamon] - Medieval Spanish Jewish Names of the 13th and 14th Centuries' by Julia Smith and Josh Mittleman (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/iberian-jewish/)


5: Elizabeth Anne Grene -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2011, via the Outlands

Per pale purpure and vert within a bordure argent

Previous device, Argent, in bend sinister two banners purpure and vert, each suspended from poles fesswise sable, was returned on the May 2010 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2010-04-lop/1005-lor.html) for absence of a name to go with it then it was returned on the December 2011 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2010-11-lop/1012-lor.html) stating the following:

{Because banners can be a form of heraldic display, each must be conflict-checked separately, as well as the overall device. In this case, vert is protected as the important non-SCA flag of Libya. Therefore, this device must be returned for conflict.}


6: Fontaine dans Sable, Barony of -New Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2004, via the Outlands

Order of the Fleur and Fountain

No major changes.

Order of the Fleur and Fountain is meant to be an Order Name based on the pattern "two charges" listed in Juliana de Luna's article, 'Medieval Secular Order Names' (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/order/new/)

Fleur-de-lys is a heraldic charge used in period and in the SCA. Fountain is a heraldic charge used in the SCA.


7: Fontaine dans Sable, Barony of -New Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in March of 2004, via the Outlands

Order of the Daffodil

No major changes.

Order of the Daffodil is meant to be an Order Name based on the pattern "charge" listed in Juliana de Luna's article, ' Medieval Secular Order Names' (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/order/new/)

Daffodil is a heraldic charge used in the SCA.


8: Gottfried von Zollern -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Sound (God-free) most important.

[Gottfried] - Ref. the German poet and romancer, Gottfried von Strassburg (1165-1215)

[Von Zollern] - Ref. Berthold von Zollernm, Prince Bishop of Eichstätt. (1320-1365)


9: Hélène Boudin -New Household Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2006, via the Outlands

Smiling Bull Inn

Client requests authenticity for A SCA appropriate household name in English.

[Inn] - Per Precedent on the February 2002 LoAR "Inn is an acceptable designator for a household name". (Kathryn atte Unicorn, Feb '02, Ansteorra). (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/02/02-02lar.html)

[Smiling Bull] - This follows the pattern of <adjective> + <noun> set forth in the precedent for "Inn of the Weeping Unicorn", Feb '02 via Ansteorra (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/02/02-02lar.html). Precedent states: "As weeping was documented as meaning 'crying' in period, and a weeping unicorn is an image that could be visually depicted on a sign, this name is registerable." Smiling is an adjective that can be depicted visually on a sign and therefore this fits the pattern.

The submitter would like the following badge associated with this name:

Argent, a bull statant gules maintaining on its back a lantern sable, a chief checky sable and argent. The badge was registered on the September 2011 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2011/09/11-09lar.html) via the Outlands.


10: Isaac Fulk Hod -New Name & New Device

Argent on a fess sable between two boars passant to sinister gules, three towers argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.

[Isaac] - 'Men's Given Names from Early 13th Century England' by Brian Scott (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/eng13/eng13m.html)

[Fulk] - 'Masculine Given Names Found in the 1296 Lay Subsidy Rolls for Rutland' by Karen Harris (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/Rutland/given-masc-alpha.htm)

[Hod] - 'Bynames Found in the 1296 Lay Subsidy Rolls for Rutland, England' by Karen Harris (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/Rutland/bynamesalphabetically.htm)


11: Jehennette van Mynden -New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2012, via the Outlands

Argent issuant from dexter chief a schnecke vert in sinister canton a martlet azure

Submitter's name was registered on the January 2012 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/01/12-01lar.html) via the Outlands.


12: John Vyse of York -New Name & New Device

Ermine, a hound's head erased gules

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Culture (14th Century English) most important.

[John] - 'Masculine Given Names Found in the 1332 Lay Subsidy Rolls for Lincolnshire, England' by Kathleen M. O'Brien http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/LincLSR/GivenMasculineFreq.html

[Vyse] - 'Surname Database: Vyse' (http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Vyse) English Surname of Old French Orgin, variant of Vise. Vise is dated to 1327.

[of York] - Locative surname. City in England. 'History of medieval York - Origins and early growth' (http://users.trytel.com/tristan/towns/york1.html)

'The City of York - Origin of York' (http://www.yorkshire-england.co.uk/YorkCity.html)

Castle Herald's Note: Submitter states that the ermine spots on the device are intended to be 'sable' although they look 'azure' on paper and on the scan.


13: Jürgen Thode der Smutje -New Name & New Device

Per fess sable and argent, a lion passant and an anchor counterchanged

No major changes.

[Jürgen] - Bahlow's Vornamena, pg. 58. variant of George (reflexive). The genitive combination like Saint Jürgen-Hospital.

[Thode] - Gentry's translation of Bahlow's Surnames. T(h)ode in LGer:Fris. a Fris. variant of Thede and Thade. Dated to 1307 - Bruneke Toden (son of) Thode.

[der Smutje] - is an occupation byname translated as 'the ship's cook'

Additional portions of the submitter's summary are available as image scans.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2012-03-11/21-35-29_jurgen1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2012-03-11/21-35-30_jurgen2.jpg


14: Liepa Jonaite -Resub Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Client requests authenticity for Lithuanian 12c-15c.
Culture (Lithuanian 12c-15c) most important.

Submitter's prior name, Liepa Jonaskaite, was returned on the June 2011 LoR (http://rampart.outlandsheralds.org/2011-05-lop/1106-lor.html) stating the following:

{Returned for lack of documentation for the patronymic. We don't know enough to say whether the argument for the first name is solid, but it's not clear where the 'k' in the patronymic comes from. The examples given formed from names ending in -s drop the -s and add -ite, so we would expect Jonas - s + ite = Jonaite. Where does the interpolated 'k' come from? "Jonaskaite" implies a father named "Jonaskas", which no documentation is provided for.}

Submitter has opted for the suggestion of Jonaite.

The submitter has provided pages of summary with cited sources (http://tinyurl.com/liepajonaite). Scans of the her summary are included on this entry.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2012-03-11/21-39-35_liepa1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2012-03-11/21-39-36_liepa2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2012-03-11/21-39-37_liepa3.jpg
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2012-03-11/21-39-38_liepa4.jpg


15: Nest verch Gryffry -New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Client requests authenticity for 11th Century Welsh.
Culture (11th Century Welsh) most important.

[Nest verch Gryffry] - 'A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names' by Heather Rose Jones (http://s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh13.html)

A scan of additional documentation is included with this entry.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2012-03-11/21-41-03_nest1.jpg


16: Sabyn Edwards -Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2009, via the Outlands

Per pale vert and purpure a dragonfly volant argent all within a bordure argent

Submitter's previous device, Per pale vert and purpure, a dragonfly argent, was returned on the November 2009 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/11/09-11lar.html) stating the following:

{This device is returned for conflict with the device of Mairghread Maire Draigdaimhalachd, Per saltire azure and vert, a dragonfly tergiant displayed argent, orbed Or. There is a single CD for the changes to the field.}

Submitter added a bordure to add another CD.


17: Stigr Robertsson -New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Culture (1000AD Norse) most important.

All names found in Geirr-Bassi Heraldsson's 'Old Norse Name'

[Stigr] - pg. 15

[Robert] - pg. 15

[Robertsson] - patronymic formed as per examples on pg. 17


18: Ulūs Ötegedai -New Name & New Device

Azure, within horns of a crescent argent, a bear dormant Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Culture (Yuan Dynasty Mongol man) most important.
Meaning (hungry bear) most important.

[Ulūs] - 'Mongolian etymology' (http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/main.cgi?flags=eygtnnl) Scan of this name's information is included.

[Ötegedai] - Academy of St. Gabriel Report 3375 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/3375.txt)

"Ötege" is Middle Mongolian for "bear". While this article indicates that this would be a perfectly appropriate name for a Mongolian man living between 1250-1400, it also says that, for some Mongol groups, the bear was a totem animal and their "real" name was too sacred to speak. Near the end of the article, the author says that adding the suffix "-dai" was a common way of modifying nouns to make personal names.

[Descriptor + Noun] - Academy of St. Gabriel Report 3375 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/3375.txt)

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2012-03-11/21-46-25_ulusdoc.jpg


19: Ulūs Ötegedai -New Alternate Name

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Étienne Navarre de Lyon

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Spelling (As close as possible to Étienne Navarre de Lyon) most important.

Submitter's name is submitted on this letter.

[Étienne] - 'Sixteenth Century Norman Names' by Triste Elliot (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/cateline/norman16.html)

[Navarre] -'French / Occitan Names from the XIII Century (B)' (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ramon/occitan/occitan_b.html)

[de Lyon] - Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 2904 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2904.txt) "Instead, we recommend <de Lion> found in the 1446 census, as the byname of a very rich, possibly noble, man. [4] The name of the city is also spelled <Lyon> in this source, so <de Lyon> is also a reasonable byname."

Submitter states: 'I specifically prefer Étienne over Estienne which is permissible per the October 2010 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2010/10/10-10lar.html) - "The spellings Etienne and Étienne seem to both appear in the 16th century; however, Estienne remains the most common form of the name until well after the end of our period." (Étienne Renard d'Argent; Oct 2010 via ÆTHELMEARC)'


20: Ulūs Ötegedai -New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Fieldless, a bear dormant Or

This submission is to be associated with Ulūs Ötegedai

Submitter's name is submitted on this letter.


21: William de Kingsley -New Name & New Device

Argent on a cross azure between four eagles displayed sable, a cross crosslet Or

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Sound most important.
Culture most important.

[William] - ' Normans at the Battle of Hastings' (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/hastings.html)

[de Kingsley] - 'Richard de Kingsley' (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/M1GS-B9J)

[Kingsley] - found on an IGI search under Catherine Kingsley, batch number T991230


22: Yildiz of Misrian -New Name & New Device

Per bend argent and vert, a magpie proper and a rondel of 8 points argent

Submitter desires a feminine name.

[Yildiz] - 'Yildiz' (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/y%C4%B1ld%C4%B1z)

The King's Dictionary The Rasûlid Hexaglot, pg. 133. Scans included.

[Misrian] - Was a major settlement in Dehistan, a major stop on the Silk Road. Further information available with the summary scan but no exact documentation provided.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2012-03-12/00-12-56_yildizdoc1.jpg
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2012-03-12/00-12-57_yildizdoc2.jpg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=753/2012-03-12/00-12-58_yildizdoc3.jpg


23: Yildiz of Misrian -New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2012, via the Outlands

Fieldless, on a rondel of 8 points argent fimbriated vert, a magpie proper

This submission is to be associated with Yildiz of Misrian

Submitter's name is submitted on this letter.


Sayyidah Khalidah bint Yahya'a

Castle Herald


OSCAR counts 12 Names, 1 Alternate Name, 2 Household Names, 2 Order Names, 12 Devices and 3 Badges. There are a total of 32 items submitted on this letter.

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