Caid LoI dated 2018-01-31

Unto Juliana Laurel, Alys Pelican, Cormac Wreath and the College of Arms entire does Eridana Dolphin and the Caid College of Heralds, send greetings and salutations.

Many thanks to Bruce Batonvert, Hrorek Chevron, Jeanne Marie Blue Mountain, Paul Crescent, Keinfryd Gold Forest, Ariana Increscent, Damien Sable Fret, Arianna Seraph, and Gwen Hir for their assistance with this letter

1: Alun Maral - New Name Change & New Badge

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in April of 2006, via Atlantia.

(Fieldless) a hind trippant to sinister ermine

Old Item: Cassie Charlesworth, to be retained as an alternate name.
No changes.
Meaning (red deer) most important.

Name elements taken from Mongolian Naming Practices Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald http://heraldry.sca.org/names/mongolian_names_marta.html

Alan (Alun) meaning red under feminine given names. Listed also as a common epithet from primary sources meaning red.

Maral meaning doe/deer masculine and feminine given name

Barony of Calafia

Submitted by Jeanne Marie Blue Mountain

not sure why the color corrected does not show up


2: Anna Dokeianina Syrakousina - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2012, via the East.

Badge (Fieldless) a crocodile tergiant fesswise contourny sable engorged with an ancient coronet Or

Court Barony 2015-8-22 http://heralds.sca-caid.org/op/person.php?PersonID=16030

Barony of Calafia

Submitted by Jeanne Marie Blue Mountain


3: Anne de Saint Maur - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Caid LoI of June 18, 2017 as submitted.

Per pale argent and purpure, two hinds rampant counterchanged

This was returned for redraw at from the Sept 2017 LoAR

Anne de Saint Maur. Device. Per pale argent and purpure, two hinds rampant counterchanged.

This device is returned for violation of SENA A2C2, which requires that "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." As drawn, the beasts could not be readily identified by the majority of the commenters: most viewers thought they were sheep, with some holding out for dogs. This must be redrawn with identifiable hinds as the charges, including upright, pointed ears and leaner hind legs.

The redraw addresses the issue of unidentifiability. Submitter approved redraw

Submitted by Keinfryd, Gold Forest


4: Batu Borte Chinua - New Name & New Device

Per chevron Gules and sable, three wolves passant contourny argent

All name elements are from Mongolian Naming Practices Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald http://heraldry.sca.org/names/mongolian_names_marta.html

Batu is a masculine given name meaning true, loyal, confident

Borte Chinua is a masculine name meaning brindled/blue-grey wolf and appears as a single name element in the source provided.

Barony of Calafia

Submitted by Jeanne Marie Blue Mountian


5: Brigida Hrafnsdottir - New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in July of 2013, via Caid.

Old Item: Kale al-Raqqasa, to be retained as an alternate name.

Brigida [Women's given name of Irish origin dated to 1000 &1299 in Socin p 87. and <Brigida> is also found in Ary's "German Names from 1495" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/german1495.html)

Hrafn is a masculine given name in GB with 17 examples pg 11. the patronymic is formed per page 17 & 18

Per SENA Gaelic and Scandinavian are compatible in German throughout period

Barony of Wintermist

Submitted by Eridana Dolphin

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6: Caid, Kingdom of - New Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 1975, via the West.

Order of the Heart of Caid

Meaning (Order of Faithfulness/Fidelity) most important - Erroneously marked and caught/fixed during heraldry meeting (was meant for other order name form)

This order name follows the pattern of "Orders named for heraldic charges" as found in Juliana de Luna's article, "Medieval Secular Order Names" (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/order/new).

A heart is period heraldic charge, found in c.1330 in the arms of Douglas (http://mistholme.com/dictionary/heart/). The OED s.v. <heart>, n. dates the meaning "A figure or representation of the human heart; esp. a conventionalized symmetrical figure formed of two similar curves meeting in a point at one end and a cusp at the other. Also, an object, as a jewel or ornament, in the shape of a heart" to 1463: "The seid broche herte of gold to be hange, naylyd, and festnyd vpon the shryne". We find the modern spelling <heart> used for a stylized figure in 1529 (referring to a playing card).

Caid is a branch name, registered in 1975 via the West.

There are numerous Orders of the "Heart of X" registered in the SCA: Dragon's Mist, Mag Mor, Nordwache, Saint William, the Sable Storm, the Scorpion of Al-Barran, and the Summits. "of Caid" is clear of all of these.

Submitted by Paul Crescent


7: Caid, Kingdom of - New Order Name

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 1975, via the West.

Ordo Fidelitatis

No major changes.
Meaning (Order of Faithfulness/Fidelity) most important.

This order name follows the pattern of "Orders named for abstract qualities" as found in Juliana de Luna's article, "Medieval Secular Order Names" (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/order/new). Orders that follow this pattern are "Green Love", "Old Love" and "Hope".

"Ordo" is the Latin word for "order " and is usable as an Order designator (Cover Letter to LoAR, March 2010).

"Fidelitas" is the Latin word (nominative case) for "fidelity" or "faithfulness." It is found in Beinecke MS 416 (a 13th C. English manuscript) on f.3v as one of the subordinate virtues or traits of the virtue of Fortitude (http://brbl-archive.library.yale.edu/exhibitions/speculum/3v-4r-virtues-and-vices.html). The genitive form is "Fidelitatis" which makes the name of this order "The Order of Faithfulness."

Submitted by Paul Crescent


8: Canard Ala Orange - New Name

Even though it is not marked on the form, the submitter wishes the sound a l'Orange

This is a Laurel resub from Oct 2017 Duck Ala Orange. Name.

Ducke or Duck is a Middle English spelling of the reserved title Duke. For example, Gower's Confessio Amantis (1393) repeatedly uses the spelling Duck for Duke. Thus, under PN4B1, Duck can be used as given name only in contexts that make it clear that it is a name and not a title. Duck Ala Orange can be read as title + given name + surname and thus, as submitted, is not registerable under PN4B1.

However, a l'Orange would be a plausible French inn-sign byname based on a heraldic charge. The name Duck a l'Orange would not imply a title or landedness; if the name were registerable, it would be in this form.

The next question is whether, in the form Duck a l'Orange, this name is obtrusively modern. PN2E states:

No name will be registered that either in whole or in part is obtrusively modern. Something is said to be obtrusively modern when it makes a modern joke or reference that destroys medieval ambience and drags the average person mentally back to the present day. Obtrusiveness can be either in the written form or when spoken. A period name that has a modern referent will not generally be considered obtrusively modern. Only extreme examples will be returned.

In addition, by longstanding precedent, "[t]he fact that this is a 'joke name' is not, in and of itself, a problem. The College has registered a number of names, perfectly period in formation, that embodied humor: Drew Steele, Miles Long, and John of Somme Whyre spring to mind as examples." (Porsche Audi, August, 1992, pg. 28) When considering the registration of joke names, the key question is whether the joke is necessarily a modern one: "Joke names have long been registered, when the reference was not modern." [Mould de Cheder, 2/2011 LoAR, A-Trimaris]

Commentary was sharply divided on whether this name drags the listener out of a medieval mindset. Although a dish combining duck and some sort of orange or citrus sauce may have been known in period in Italy (and elsewhere), that dish was not called "duck a l'orange" until well after our period. Ultimately, because it is an inherently modern joke, this name edges over the line between an acceptable joke name and a disruptive modern reference. Therefore, it is returned.

Canard is an English surname found in familysearch records

Rychard Canard marriage to Elyzabeth Fox 13 May 1545 Christ Church Greyfriars Newgate,London,London,England Batch M00134-1 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V529-3LS

Cover letter LoaR September 2102 - Given Names Derived from Family Names: For the last two years, we have registered given names derived from late period English family names, based on a well attested pattern. Commenters have provided dozens of examples of this pattern for masculine names, as well as several examples of this pattern for feminine names (including Smith as a feminine given name). These examples are found both in the IGI index and in Withycombe, which mentions a grey period example of a woman named Essex.

Various commenters have called for us to restrict the registration of these given names to submissions that are completely late period English names. However, this limitation would be a sharp departure from current policy.

First, we would have no grounds to place this limitation on attested given names, which would include Smith, Leach, White, Bainbridge, Guildford, and Richardson, among others. A system which would allow Smith as a given name to be registered more easily than Ashley would create confusion. Second, by long precedent we treat constructed name elements exactly as attested ones. Therefore, we will continue to register these constructed given names in any context suitable for an attested late period English given name.

We note that this pattern has not been documented in Scotland or Ireland. As such, family names only found in Scotland and Ireland cannot be used to create given names. However, many family names spread from Scotland and Ireland into England. In general, family names documented in sixteenth century England may be used to create given names, even if they are of Scottish or Gaelic origin. http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/09/12-09cl.html#5

Ala is also found as a surname in familysearch records

Aydry Ala Gender Unknown Burial 05 May 1555 Wiltshire, England B00391-6 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J8TK-8M6

Orange is also found as a surname in family search records

Isacke Orange Male Christening 03 Sep 1620 STAVERTON,DEVON,ENGLAND Father Thomas Orange C05239-1 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5HG-CYK

Barony of Calafia

Submitted by Eridana Dolphin


9: Cassian Black Rune - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2016, via Caid.

Per pale Or goutty de sang and sable, a point pointed azure

Returned by Laurel on the March 2017 LoAR. This is a complete redesign

Cassian Black Rune. Device. Per pale Or and sable, on a fess engrailed on the upper edge azure a cat-o-nine tails fesswise Or sustained by a sinister fist fesswise aversant argent.

This design violates precedents which forbid multiple tertiary charge groups on the same underlying charge. As depicted, the scourge has much more visual weight than the hand. Upon resubmission, please make sure that the fess is centered on the field.

Barony of Angles

Submitted by Arianna Seraph


10: Elena Treille - New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Caid LoI of December 28, 2017 as submitted.

Argent, two cats sejant addorsed, tails entwined and on a chief gules a raven displayed between two roses argent

This was a resub Kingdom and new drawing approved by submitter


11: Finna the Weaver - New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: the old name was registered in June of 2010, via Caid.

Old Item: A'isha al-Raqqasa, to be retained as an alternate name.

Finna Feminine given name in GB pg 9

the weaver Lingua anglica from the old English crenecestre and webbestre "Some Old English Occupational Bynames from the Viking Answer Lady site http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/Stars/OE_Occupational_Bynames.htm

Barony of Wintermist

Submitted by Jeanne Marie Blue Mountain


12: Glyn Matilda Poyntz - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.

All name elements are found in familysearch records

Glyn is a female English given name

Glyn Kyngdome female Christening Oct 8 1554 ALWINGTON,DEVON,ENGLAND Christening Batch C05018-1)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5QM-GYD,

Matilda is a femine given name

Matilda Danson Female Christening 05 FEB 1642 SAINT BEES, CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND Death 12 Feb 1642 Batch C03686-2 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JM86-K66

Matilda Chanler Female Christening 23 Jul 1562 C02704-2 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NG8W-TLF

Poyntz is an English surname

Anne Poyntz Female Christening 13 Apr 1565 ALDERLEY,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND Death 20 Apr 1565 Batch C02671-1 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLTK-K47


13: Lykos of Ambracia - New Name Change

OSCAR NOTE: 'Old Item' should contain the former primary name. The form that is there is not a registered name.

Old Item: Joshua of Calafia, to be retained as an alternate name.

Name Registered Dec 2016

Lykos (Λύκος) appears 328 times in volumes 1-5a of the LGPN.

Ambracia is Lingua Anglica for ancient city that was on the site now know as Arta found in Romanae historiae principis libri omnes ...: post varias ... emendationes ...by Livy E Collegio Paltheniano, Cura & sumtibus heredum P. Fischeri, 1599 - 1619 pages

https://books.google.com/books?id=yi5PAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA979&dq=Ambracia&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZ5K6KnIDZ AhVQyGMKHbxuCjgQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=Ambracia&f=false

Barony of Calafia

Submitted by Eridana Dolphin

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#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=234/2018-01-30/11-58-26_ambrica1.jpeg
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=234/2018-01-30/11-58-26_ambrica_2.jpeg


14: Marianne Freidis - New Appeal of Kingdom Return of Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Caid LoI of October 30, 2017 as submitted.

Paly Or and gules, a sea-dragon sable

The name is on the Caid Oct 2017 letter

This is a Kingdom appeal by Bruce Batonvert

Unfortunately, this lovely device conflicts with, Eric de Dragonslaire:

The following badge associated with this name was registered in January of 1996 (via An Tir): (Fieldless) A dragon salient sable breathing flames gules.

There is one DC for the fieldlessness, but it is the only one.

"We give no difference between a dragon, a sea-dragon and a wyvern" [Qara Moridai, R-Meridies, 12/1996]

The precedent set in 1996 should be superseded. Since then, it has been ruled repeatedly:

Conflict is not transitive: if A conflicts with B and B conflicts with C, it is not required that A must conflict with C. [Sigurd Grunewald, LoAR of Nov 2003]

The precept has been consistently upheld: cf. Catherine Townson, LoAR of Feb 2006, where it was ruled that a raven conflicted with a falcon, and a falcon conflicted with a popinjay, but a raven did not conflict with a popinjay. Cf. again Lucas Colbert, LoAR of Feb 2007, where it was ruled that a crab conflicted with a lobster, and a lobster conflicted (at the time) with a scorpion, but a crab did not conflict with a scorpion.

We grant no difference between a dragon and a wyvern, based on the fact that period heralds frequently conflated the two. We grant no difference between a wyvern and a sea-dragon, based on the visual similarity: both are winged, two-legged, with long sinuous tails (only the end flukes differ). But conflict is not transitive.

To rule that a sea-lion differs from a lion, and a sea-griffin differs from a griffin, and a sea-horse differs from a horse,, and every other form of sea-X differs from X -- but a sea-dragon gets no difference from a dragon -- is inconsistent and contradictory. The 1996 ruling should be overturned, and a DC be granted between a sea-dragon and a dragon, just as with every other heraldic sea-monster.

Thus this would be clear of Eric de Dragonslaire's badge, with a DC for fielded vs fieldless armory and a DC for type of monster

Appeal was forwarded with mixed College approval.

Eric de Dragonslaire is being contacted requesting permission to conflict in case appeal fails

Submitted by Bruce Batonvert

Barony of Calafia


15: Mikhail Liutognev - New Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 2013, via Caid.

Gules, a bear rampant and in chief three axes bendwise argent

Old Item: Per chevron gules and argent, a bear passant contourny gules., to be retained as a badge.

Barony of Calafia

Submitted by Ariana Increscent


16: Paulo de Vincenzi - New Name & New Device

Argent, in bend two calamarie inverted sable

Paulo is found as an Italian masculine given name in Names from Sixteenth Century Veniceby Juliana de Luna https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/16thcvenice.html as a variation of Paolo

de Vincenzi is found as an Italian surname on 15th Century Italian Men's Names

By Brian Scott (Talan Gwynek) http://heraldry.sca.org/names/italian15m.html with the example Antonio de Vincenzi

Barony of Calafia

Submitted by Jeane Marie, Blue Mountian

The device was redrawn after submitted and approved by the submitter


17: Silus Aurelius - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Caid LoI of October 30, 2017 as submitted.

Gules, a seal sejant argent and a chief invected argent

The original device, Vert, a sun between in base two lions combatant Or., on the Oct 2017 letter from Caid item 31 was withdrawn by the submitter.

This is a complete redesign

There was discussion about possible conflict with Hugh de Calais Feb 2017 badge Gules, a manatee naiant argent. The College feels there is 1 CD for the addition of the Chief and another for posture naiant vs sejant. Image below

Submitted by Eridana

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18: Þóra Jónsdóttir - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 2016, via Caid.

Device Vert, a threaded needle fesswise reversed argent

Hrorek Halfdane of Faulconwood (Chevron) brought up a good discussion.

Consider possible conflict with Catarine Quhiting: Vert vêtu, a needle fesswise argent. (March 2004 via An Tir). There is one DC for the change of the field. Does reversing and threading the needle provide the second?

"The threading of a sewing needle is considered an artistic detail, worth no difference. Without it, there's really no way to tell the orientation of a needle: the eye alone is far too small for that. Whether we get a DC should not depend on an artistic detail which can be added (or omitted) at whim."

Contacting Catarine Quhiting for permission to conflict in case if it is decided that this submission conflicts with the reverse unthreaded needle

Barony of Calafia

Submitted by Eridana Dolphin


In Service

Eridana Dolphin


OSCAR counts 4 New Names, 4 New Name Changes, 2 New Order Names, 5 New Devices, 1 New Device Change and 2 New Badges. These 18 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $72 for them. OSCAR counts 3 Resub Devices. These 3 items are not chargeable. There are a total of 21 items submitted on this letter.