Middle LoI dated 2017-12-15

Unto Juliana Laurel, Alys Pelican, Cormac Wreath, and the rest of the College of Arms, does Konrad Mailander, Rouge Scarpe Herald, send greetings.

This is the Middle Kingdom Letter of Acceptance and Returns for the items on the November 12th ILoI.

My thanks to Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger, Kolosvari Arpadne Julia, ffride wlffsdotter, Michael Gerard Curtememoire, Magnus von Lübeck, Jean Yves de Chierebourg, Adelaide de Beaumont, Juetta Copin, Thomasine Lestrang, Iago ab Adam, Ginevra Boscoli, and Alexander Adelbrecht von Markelingen for their commentary.

If you would like to see the documentation or commentary for this letter please go to http://oscar.sca.org/kingdom/kingloi.php?kingdom=4&loi=4800

It is the intent of the College of Heralds of the Middle to register the following items. Unless otherwise noted, the submitter has no desire for authenticity and allows any changes.

1: Ariya Pillai of Eastwatch - New Name & New Device

Argent, in pale a dragonfly sable and a lotus blossom in profile purpure, on a chief purpure a roundel between two crescents pendant argent

No major changes.
Spelling (Aryia/Aria) most important.

Ariya Pillai: "Female Chola Names" by Irayari Vairavi (https://sites.google.com/site/vairavisca/Home/creations/indian-name-research)

of Eastwatch: locative byname. Eastwatch is an independent shire in the North Oaken region.

Eastwatch, Shire of

This branch-name was registered in February of 1990 (via the Middle).

From internal commentary:

ffride wlffsdotter at 2017-11-14 05:21:23

p. 3 of this PDF has a "Pedigree of the Hoysala Dynasty" http://www.karnataka.gov.in/Gazetteer/Publications/Special%20Publications/Mysore%20Gazetteer%20by%20 C.Hayavadana%20Rao/Volume%20II/Part%20II/Chart.pdf has:

"Vira-Ramanātha, 1254-1295 A.D. m. Kamaladevi, daughter of Ariya Pillay"

page 1397 of volume 2, part 2, chapter 11 of the Mysore Gazetteer notes:

"His queen was Kamalādēvi, the daughter of a certain Āriya-pillai, and his queen's younger sister seems to have been known as Chikka Sōmaladēvi."

(The rest of the book seems to be here: http://www.karnataka.gov.in/Gazetteer/Pages/Publications.aspx?RootFolder=%2FGazetteer%2FPublications %2FSpecial%20Publications%2FMysore%20Gazetteer%20by%20C%2EHayavadana%20Rao%2FVolume%20II%2FPart%20I I&FolderCTID=0x012000A4AF43606399024CAE0CE6E9AF1A27A0&View=%7B31964470-7F38-4522-863D-16255C912EF8% 7D and here: http://www.karnataka.gov.in/Gazetteer/Pages/Publications.aspx?RootFolder=%2FGazetteer%2FPublications %2FSpecial%20Publications&FolderCTID=0x012000A4AF43606399024CAE0CE6E9AF1A27A0&View=%7B31964470-7F38 -4522-863D-16255C912EF8%7D)

I only have a google books preview, with missing pages, so maybe someone else can figure out which temple the inscription mentioning Ariya pillai and Kamaladevi is from?

South Indian Shrines: Illustrated by P. V. Jagadisa Ayyar

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=NLSGFW1uZboC&pg=PA443&lpg=PA443&dq=Ariya+pillai+Kamaladevi&sour ce=bl&ots=fCclyqnMPt&sig=VgFph12l9_-t0vVVcusl0UCaIgU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjbgqmF-b3XAhUFmZQKHSM2CK YQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=Ariya%20pillai%20Kamaladevi&f=false

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-11-13 07:24:33

Female Chola Names, by Irayari Vairavi

Names from inscriptions dating from the Chola Kingdom. The Cholas ruled a large part of South India (modern Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, and Andhra Pradesh) until the 14th century. Most of the names are Tamil or Tamilized Sanskrit.

ariya piḷḷai dated from 1212 meaning precious child

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-13 10:35:17

Recent precedent, http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2016/11/16-11lar.html#99, Teṉṉavaṉ Brahmamārāyar, is that Tamil names may have all diacritics or none. The submission has none, and can be registered that way.

However, I believe it would be a service to submitter to determine whether this is a conscious choice, in which case that should be mentioned in the headmatter, or she has overlooked that her source offers <Ariya Piḷḷai> with dots below the Ls, indicating a phoneme that will probably sound like a cross between L and R to most of us.

Nitty-gritty detail from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_script#Basic_consonants follows for those who care and can understand.

The Ḷ with a dot, ḷ in submitter's name, is a retroflex phoneme, i.e., with the tongue curled back, IPA /ɭ/, a retroflex lateral approximant. This is distinguished in transcribed Tamil from plain L, pronounced like English L, IPA /l/, a lateral approximant, and from Ḻ with a line under it, ḻ, which is /ɻ/ in IPA, like the retroflex initial R in some* American dialects.

The R in <Ariya> is an alveolar flap, IPA /ɾ/, like the single R in Spanish versus its trilled RR (which last gets the basic /r/ in IPA), and like the middle consonant of "latter" and "ladder" when they are pronounced identically, as is the case for most of us who speak American English, and sometimes in Australian and Received Pronunciation. Check out the sound files at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flapping#Distribution. I think this will sound like R to most of us if we hear it in <Ariya>


* My take on the difference between /ɹ/ and /ɻ/ in English is the same as tchrist's answer in the discussion at https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/84928/retroflex-approximants-in-ae-dialects. Follow the "listen to red" link there (or here, http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/research/gsound/Eng/Database/Phonetics/Englishes/ByWord/Word_075_red.htm) and see what YOU think.

2: Armand de Chartres - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in September of 1995, via the Middle.

Gules, three clarions and a chief indented, argent.

The original submission seems to have been returned in Kingdom in 1994. It predates what we still have records for.


SCA Name: Armand de Chartres Submission Type: Device Blazon: Per bend sinister vert and gules, a bend sinister ermine between three fleur-de-lys and three rapiers inverted argent and a chief indented ermine. ILoI Date: 04 Dec, 1994

3: Auenwald, Shire of - New Branch Name

No major changes.
Culture (Germanic) most important.

"Auenwald" is an old High German word that means "riverside forest," according to



The populace petition of support will be included in the packet documents.

From internal commentary:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-13 14:38:21

The German Wikipedia (mentioned in the box at the top of the article in English linked to above) at https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auenwald#Geschichte tells us, Am 1. Januar 1971 wurde Ebersberg nach Lippoldsweiler eingemeindet. Am 1. Juli 1971 vereinigten sich dann Lippoldsweiler, Oberbrüden und Unterbrüden zur neuen Gemeinde Auenwald. Between me and Google I make that: 'On January 1 1971 Ebersberg was incorporated into Lippoldsweiler. On 1 July 1971 Lippoldsweiler, Oberbrüden and Unterbrüden united to form the new community Auenwald.'

It goes on, Brüden und das heute zu Oberbrüden gehörende Rottmannsberg wurden erstmals 1245 in einer Urkunde von Papst Innozenz IV. erwähnt. Meaning 'Brüden and Rottmannsberg, which is today part of Oberbrüden, were first mentioned in a document by Pope Innocent IV in 1245.' Note the lack of mention in that paragraph of anything named Auenwald.

This does not bode well for the antiquity of the submission as a place name.

Moreover, I can find absolutely nothing in the dictionary linked to that even says the word is derived from Old High German, let alone that the cited form was used in that period of the language. That makes the headmatter's claim look dishonest, even if it is not intentionally so. (http://wold.clld.org/vocabulary/11 does confirm "wald" as going back that far.)

Magnus von Lübeck at 2017-11-14 05:10:42

In MHG Auen or Ouew can mean terrain beside water or a Ewe. Don't ask me how the Deutschers came up with that. As for Wald, the Germans stick that on a wide variety of words. It can show up just about any place there are trees.

The name is period. I just have to get out a stack of German books to document and construct it. Und bitte, shred the documentation they sent.

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-11-17 14:28:31

Note Bahlow, s.n. Auer, has period forms of Ouwer and us der ouwe, and in places where we wouldn't expect the vowel change we see in names between High and Low German. I suspect the period spelling of the element they want may start with O or U rather than A, which might affect their fondness for it.


I found the following in FamilySearch.org Historical Records showing the spelling submitted in the grey period:

Anna Auen Marriage 24 Jul 1642 Schmiden, Württemberg, Germany Batch M91645-1

Since Auer was mentioned I also found:

Christoff Auer Marriage 05 Jan 1567 Geislingen (Oa. Geislingen), Württemberg, Germany Father Dionysius Auer Batch M01973-4

Appellonia Auer Female Christening 13 Nov 1583 EVANGELISCH,LANDAU IN PFALZ STADT,PFALZ,BAVARIA Father Martin Auer C97235-1

4: Aurelius Corvus Corvinus - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2016, via the Middle.

Sable, a three-headed dog pasant contourny within an orle Or

The submitter's original device was returned on the October 2016 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2016/10/16-10lar.html#229):

Aurelius Corvus Corvinus. Device. Sable, a three headed dog passant and an orle Or.

This device is returned for conflict with the badge of Samal Kaan Uxmalil: Sable, a she-wolf statant regardant within a bordure Or. There is only one DC for the change in type of secondary from bordure to orle. However, there is none for the change of posture between passant and statant and none for number of the heads.

The change to the dog contourney should clear this conflict.

5: Caesidius Aurelianus Scaevola - New Name & New Device

Per pale gules and sable, two lightning bolts in saltire Or and overall a tower argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.

Caesidius: http://edh-www.adw.uni-heidelberg.de/edh/inschrift/HD072770

The name is "Cn(aeus) Caesidius Sex(ti) f(ilius) S(extus) Caesidius Sex(ti) f(ilius)..."

It's listed among the nomina at http://www.larp.com/legioxx/nomina.html, and it's the name of a 3rd-century Christian saint: https://catholicsaints.info/book-of-saints-caesidius-and-others/.

http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/PLRE_masc_names.html#a has Aurelianus with 3 occurrences.

Scaevola: (agnomen) "left-handed" G. Mucius Scaevola in "The Origin of Roman Praenomina

Name construction is Nomen + Cognomen + Cognomen.

Client will also accept Aurelius Caesidius Scaevola.

Submitted as <Caesidius Aurelius Scaevola>. <Caesidius> was not a prenomen so the claimed pattern Praenomen + nomen + agnomen did not work. The change of the nomen <Aurelius> to the cognomen <Aurelianus> allows the pattern Nomen + Cognomen + Cognomen. The submitter did not allow major changes but has been contacted and approved this change.

There is a step from period practice (SFPP) for the use of lightning bolts that are not part of a thunderbolt. One SFPP is allowed.

6: Charles Cedric Morton - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 1987, via the Middle.

Quarterly per fess indented argent and gules, a sea-dog rampant contourny counterchanged

This is a resubmission from a Laurel return in February 1987.

Charles Cedric Morton. Device. Potent argent and gules, a tyger passant sable.

Conflict with the badge of the East Kingdom ("A tyger passant azure."): according to precedents set by Master Baldwin and enshrined in DR2, no difference may be derived from the field.

7: Genevote Cheval - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name on the Middle LoI of March 31, 2017 as submitted.

Per pale vert and argent, a fleur-de-lys throughout counterchanged

This badge has been misplaced since December 2016. Payment was included with two other items in January 2017.

8: Ginevra Boscoli - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2009, via the Middle.

(Fieldless) A pantheon rampant contourny gules mullety of six points argent, chained and collared Or

9: Godefrid de Mortemer - New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for 12th century AN [Anglo-Norman?].

Godfrey: Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, "Masculine Given Names Found in the 1332 Lay Subsidy Rolls for Lincolnshire, England", https://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/LincLSR/GivenMasculineAlpha.html.

Mortemer: found at http://www.surnamedb.com/surname/mortimer. It is a French Norman surname introduced into England in 1066.

Mortemer: R&W s.n. Mortimer, etc., Ralph (de) Mortemer 1086, Peter Mortemer 1296.

It appears that the forms that would match the authenticity request would be <Godefrid de Mortemer>, <Godefredus de Mortuo Mari>, or <Godefridus de Mortemer>. The submitter has been emailed to verify what form of the name they would prefer.

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-11-17 15:22:16

Authentic for 12th c. and fully Latin would be Godefredus de Mortuo Mari (given name spelling from Morlet, l'Ancienne Gaule and surname from R&W, s.n. Mortimer, from the DB). Withy, s.n. Godfrey has Godefridus from DB, the Curia rolls 1187-1220, and the Pipe roll of 1161. Her first vernacular Godfrey is from 1273. Godefridus de Mortemer is also fine authenticity wise.

IIRC the parenthetical (de) in R&W is when the person in record is only called by their surname (like addressing the Duke of Cambridge as "Cambridge"), when at the time of the record, there is no way a full name would appear without the 'de'.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-17 17:14:19

So for authenticity to the 12th c., <Godefrid de Mortemer>?

Submitted as <Godfrey Mortemer>.The submitter requested authenticity for 12th Century Anglo Norman. It appears that the forms that meets the request are <Godefrid de Mortemer>, <Godefredus de Mortuo Mari>(fully Latin), or <Godefridus de Mortemer>. The submitter was contacted and they chose <Godefrid de Mortemer>.

10: Grenemere, Shire of - New Branch Name

Meaning (Translates to) most important.

Grænmere is a constructed Old English place name meaning "green lake".

Ekwall s.n. mere states that the Old English word for green is a common first element in place names. Examples from Ekwall include Greneford, Greneholf, Greneham in the Domesday Boke (s.nn. Greenford, Greenhalgh, Greenham), Grenestede c. 958 (s.n. Greenstead), and Grenewic in 964 s.n. Greenwich.

Ekwall s.n. mere states that the Old English word meaning "lake, mere" is a common place name element that was also spelled "mære" in Old English, and it appears both in the names of lakes and in the names of places on lakes. Ekwall s.n. Bulmer gives the Domesday Boke examples of Bulenemera and Bolemere; s.n. Barmer is the Domesday Boke form of Benemera.

The Middle English place name Grenemere is dates to 1327 in the Middle English Dictionary s.v. mere (n.2). https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med-idx?type=id&id=MED27421

The citation from the MED is:

(1327) EPNSoc.12 (Ess.) 586: Grenemere.

[Escutcheon note: petition of populace support is included in document packet.]

11: Gwydion Glyndwr - New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Middle LoI of January 30, 2017 as submitted.

Per chevron sable and vert, three oak leaves in fess and a hawk Or

Original Device Pended January 31st 2017, awaiting permission to redraw. There was concern about a return due to position of per chevron lines.

The emblazons attached are the updated versions.

12: Illiton, Barony of - New Badge Association

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 1987, via the Middle.

(Fieldless) A mermaid erect afronty proper, scaled or, crined vert, maintaining in her right hand a trident bendwise sinister and in her left and upraised hand a grey granite tower proper

Generic Identifier "Populace Badge of Illiton" for (Fieldless) A mermaid erect afronty proper, scaled or, crined vert, maintaining in her right hand a trident bendwise sinister and in her left and upraised hand a grey granite tower proper--badge submitted for registration by the Barony of Illiton on June

6, 2017.

This was requested by the Baron at Pennsic but was not relayed with the submissions for the Middle.

13: Illiton, Barony of - New Badge Association

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 1987, via the Middle.

(Fieldless) On a tower sable a fountain

The following badge associated with this name was registered in January of 2017 (via the Middle):

(Fieldless) On a tower sable a fountain.

They would like this badge associated with the generic identifier "Guard of Illiton"

This was requested by the Baron at Pennsic but was not relayed with the submissions for the Middle.

14: Illiton, Barony of - New Badge Association

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in February of 1987, via the Middle.

(Fieldless) Two tridents in saltire sable

The following badge associated with this name was registered in September of 2005 (via the Middle):

(Fieldless) Two tridents in saltire sable.

They would like this badge associated with the generic identifier "Champion of Illiton"

This was requested by the Baron at Pennsic but was not relayed with the submissions for the Middle.

15: Lette de Cherselawe - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in October of 2016, via the Middle.

Vert, semy of quatrefoils argent, a chief Or.

This device was returned at Kingdom for a redraw, citing unidentifiability of the quatrefols. This version clears the identifiability issue.

16: Liang Jiasi - New Name & New Device

Per fess sable and Or, a peacock in his pride Or and an Oriental dragon passant gules

Submitter has no desire as to gender.
No major changes.
Sound (not indicated) most important.
Language (not indicated) most important.
Culture (not indicated) most important.

Introduction to pre-16th century Chinese onomastics by Ii Katsumori has:


Family name: Liang 梁 1001-1279

Same article has both Jia and Si as both family names and MASCULINE given names. I also see -si as a second element in some compound masculine names, e.g., Chongsi, Jiusi, Xingsi. Unfortunately, Chinese has the same problem as Russian: a woman is not a person, so name data is thin. Liang Jia Si, and possibly even Liang Jiasi, is a plausible name for a Chinese MAN, and Liang Jiusi is an attested name for a Chinese man. If submitter does not care about gender, I think there is enough here for registration, but not to declare it plausible for a woman.

The submitter has agreed to remove the requirement for a feminine name.

17: Ragna stórráða Úlfsdóttir and Reinhardt mit dem Bart - New Badge

OSCAR is unable to find the name (Ragna stórráða Úlfsdóttir) , either registered or submitted.
OSCAR finds the name (Reinhardt mit dem Bart) on the Middle LoI of April 30, 2017 as submitted.

(Fieldless) A dog statant contourny within and conjoined to an annulet sable

Ragna stórráða Úlfsdóttir

This name was registered in June of 2017 (via the Middle).

18: Reinhardt mit dem Bart - Resub Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Middle LoI of April 30, 2017 as submitted.

Quarterly sable and gules, a lion's head erased between two towers in bend argent

This item was returned on the July 2017 LoAR (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2017/07/17-07lar.html#270):

Reinhardt mit dem Bart. Device. Quarterly sable and gules, a wolfhound statant contourny between two towers in bend argent.

This device is returned for blurring the distinction between primary and overall charges. The wolfhound is not truly between the towers, but is barely overall, with the tip of the hound's tail and one of its paws overlapping the towers. Being neither honestly between nor honestly overall, it cannot accurately be blazoned.

19: Robert Fitzrichard - New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
Client requests authenticity for 14th century Norman.

Robert: Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names by E.G. Withycombe

"Men's Given Names from Early 13th Century England" by by Talan Gwynek (Brian Scott) - http://heraldry.sca.org/names/eng13/eng13m.html

Fitz: prefix meaning "son of"

"Fitz Richard" is found in as a byname multiple times in https://research.reading.ac.uk/medievalsoldier/dbsearch/ using "fitz*" as the search term. One instance is attached, dated between the years of 1312 and 1377.

Richard: Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names by E.G. Withycombe

"Men's Given Names from Early 13th Century England" by by Talan Gwynek (Brian Scott) - http://heraldry.sca.org/names/eng13/eng13m.html

20: Sazia de Sarro - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in December of 2012, via the Middle.

Purpure, an ounce rampant contourny Or semy of roundels purpure

21: Seonaid inghean Ghriogair - New Augmentation of Arms

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in July of 2011, via the Middle.

Per fes wavy argent and purpure, a dragon segreant counterchanged between two tygers sable and another argent, and for augmentation replacing the argent tyger, a quill pen Or.

The submitter was awarded the augmentation at the coronation of Cellach and Vukasin on September 23, 2017.

22: Ts'eng K'ai - New Device

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Sable, two foxes combatant Or and on a chief argent three hearts gules

The original color emblazon was colored with colored pencils and the sable was rather light. It has been recolored with the permission of the submitter.

23: Tyrannius Seuerus - New Name & New Device

Per bend vert and sable, a dragon's head couped close and a tankard argent

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.

Tyrannius: pg. 13 of "Flavius Julius: Translation and Commentary. Judean War." Vol. 1B2 mentions soldier named Tyrannius Prisas.

Tyrannius: Steve Mason with Honora Chapman, ed. & trans., Flavius Josephus: Translation and Commentary, vol. 1B, "Judean War 2" (Leiden: Brill, 2008), https://books.google.com/books?id=NHRbu6ee_p0C, fn. 3271 on p. 373, first image below, <Tyrannius Priscus>.

The identical appearance in Josephus is confirmed from the index to William Whiston, ed. & trans., The Genuine Works of Flavius Josephus (New York: Borradaile, 1824), third image below,* title page of volume fourth image, https://books.google.com/books?id=D5QxAQAAMAAJ.

Tyrranius is also not a known gens, such that we would find it as a nomen. I hate unique examples. I do find a letter from Tiberius Caesar that mentions a Decimus Tyrranius Nicanor; Decimus is a known praenomen and Nicanor is a Latin spelling of a not uncommon Greek name, so there is a second guy, with the name in what should be a nomen position. https://books.google.com/books?id=_CauCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA321&lpg=PA321&dq=Tyrranius+Roman&source=bl&ots=S evQmjsu-h&sig=_bLNQs3wALSjVJEJOW0IQr52xes&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx1LSvoOXXAhWk6YMKHTyND_sQ6AEINzAD# v=onepage&q=Tyrranius%20Roman&f=false

Seuerus: IRT 732 Caius Nerianus Seuerus.

Name construction follows pattern on nomen + cognomen.

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=515/2017-12-15/22-21-24_19-18-31_TyranniusFJ.PNG
#2 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=515/2017-12-15/22-21-24_19-18-31_FJSteveMason.PNG
#3 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=515/2017-12-15/22-21-24_19-18-31_TyranniusIndex.PNG
#4 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=515/2017-12-15/22-21-24_19-18-31_WhistonFJTitle.PNG

24: Victoria of High Harrogate - New Name & New Device

Azure chapé ployé, an owl displayed argent maintaining in its talons a crescent pendant Or

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Victoria: Withycombe (Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, s.n. Victoria) notes the given name as occurring in the Liverpool area between 1617 and 1702 and a pauper named Victoria Chapman was buried in 1681.

Victoria Marshall England Births and Christenings Name Victoria Marshall Christening Date 08 JUN 1589 Christening Place DARRINGTON,YORK,ENGLAND Batch P00759-1

Harrogate - found in Watts s.n. Harrogate dated from 1512 High Harrogate is noted at British History Online s.n. Harrogate and also specifically references Low Harrogate. http://www.british-history.ac.uk/topographical-dict/england/pp416-421 According to patterns noted in Compound Placenames in English by Juliana de Luna (Julia Smith), Adjective+Placename makes "High Harrogate" a plausible place name. http://medievalscotland.org/jes/EnglishCompoundPlacenames/

In Juliana de Luna's "Compound Placenames in English" the example of High Bernet 1575 is exactly the pattern of High Harrogate. There are other spellings of High as well, like Heghebuginton 1423 and Haulte Huknall (Haulte means 'high') 1535.

Construction according to SENA Appendix A given+loc

This was originally pended as an unpaid Pennsic 2017 submission.

Birds other than eagles in the displayed posture are a step from period practice.

25: Vyāsayati Maurya - New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Language (Sound or spelling changes OK; otherwise, please reject) most important.

This is a name from India appropriate for an inscription recorded in Sanskrit.


- Name found in "Verzeichnis der Sanskrit Handschriften: Bd. 1", page 181, items 620,621 (https://books.google.com/books?id=VPhJAAAAcAAJ)

- Source individual lived from 1447-1548 CE. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyasatirtha)

- The name part "Vyāsa" as a standalone name is as old as the Vedic period (for example, Veda Vyāsa).

- I would not consider the name to be presumption for two reasons. First, while a known individual, I do not understand him to be a central figure. Also, he is almost always known by other names (Vyāsaraja, Vyāsatirtha); an English Google search for vyāsayati currently returns 9 results, while the other forms return thousands.


- In the previously referenced collections of inscriptions, individuals are usually referred to by only a given name. However, Gotra is one of the most frequent columns used to disambiguate people in tables of grant recipients appearing in some inscriptions. See "Inscriptions of the Paramaras..." p. 152 (https://indianhistorybooks3.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/99999990041409-corpus-inscriptionum-indicaru m-vol-7-pt-2-inscriptions-of-the-paramaras-chandellas-kachchhapaghatas-and-two-minor-dynasties.pdf)

- Gotras are used as surnames in the present day (I do not know how long that practice has been in effect.)

- "Maurya" is the name of a Gotra (clan) dating back to at least the Maurya empire (322 BCE).

- Referenced repeatedly in a 1069 CE inscription. See "Epigraphica India, Volume 2" p. 221-228 (https://books.google.com/books?id=2pZEAQAAMAAJ)

From internal commentary:

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-11-13 13:49:41

The book's usage shows <Maurya> without diacritics even in a sentence where another name has them, suggesting that it is properly so written.

Adelaide de Beaumont at 2017-11-17 16:55:08

Vyasa 'compiler' is an immortal, which in Indian naming isn't necessarily a deal-breaker. But when applied to a human, it's a learned person, and the name was earned, not given by their parents. These guys are leaders of specific sects. Yati is also an honorific, and is roughly equivalent to mahatma. (Gandhi was born Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi and is called Mahatma for his holiness.) It would not surprise me to find an 80-year-old scholar of Sanskrit called Vyasayati, but it's not appropriate as an SCA name, any more than Honored Professor would be.

It is problematic for submitters that Indian people routinely change their names to reflect a change in life status or achievement, which means by the time they are famous enough to be recorded, their name has titles and deities in it. It is often possible to find their birth names, and those are the names we should be encouraging people to use.

Submitter has not demonstrated any example to assert that <name> Maurya would be a valid documentary style for a person in the medieval period. We need to know, especially for a minority culture like Indian, not only that the name existed, but how it was used.

In Service to the Client, Kingdom, and College,

Meister Konrad Mailander, OP

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OSCAR counts 8 New Names, 2 New Branch Names, 10 New Devices, 3 New Badges and 1 New Augmentation of Arms. These 24 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $96 for them. OSCAR counts 3 Resub Devices. These 3 items are not chargeable. OSCAR counts 3 Badge Associations. These 3 items may or may not require payment. There are a total of 30 items submitted on this letter.