Laurel LoPaD dated 2017-04-23

This letter contains the issues raised in the February 2017 LoAR for CoA discussion. The text in this letter is copied verbatim from that LoAR; it is provided here for convenience. As with a April LoI, these matters are currently scheduled for the Pelican and Wreath meetings in July 2017. Original commentary, responses, and rebuttals to commentary must be entered into OSCAR no later than Friday, June 30, 2017.

This item was on the 07-2017 LoAR

1: Giana di Nicholò da Firenze - New Device Change

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2016, via the East.

Argent, a bend sinister vert, overall a wyvern erect sable

Old Item: Vert, on a pile indented argent an owl's head cabossed sable, to be released.

Commentary on this submission centered around the potential conflict with Charles the Traveler raised in the LoI: Argent, a bend sinister vert, overall a drakkar sable its sail paly gules and argent. There is most certainly one DC for the change in type of overall charge, but there are conflicting precedents over whether the tincture of a ship's sail constitutes half the charge, which is necessary for the second DC to clear the conflict.

Current precedents state the following:

1. There is no DC for type of ship (lymphad, drakkar, rowboat, etc.). This is based on period practice, which changed the type of ship depicted on a given set of arms depending on when it was being painted.

2. There is no DC for sails furled vs. unfurled. This is largely based on the previous precedent; if lymphads have sails furled by default, drakkars have sails unfurled by default, and rowboats have no sails at all, there is no way to compare the status of the sails in any sort of meaningful way.

3. There is no DC for the tincture of an unfurled sail as half the charge. Also largely based on the first two precedents, if the sail is not consistently half the charge of a boat (or indeed depicted at all) there is no way to provide consistent difference for its tincture.

We seek further commentary on whether unfurled sails should be considered half of a heraldic charge when considering whether there should be a distinct change for tincture between charges.

This was item 20 on the East letter of November 30, 2016. (

This item was on the 07-2017 LoAR

2: Liadan Chu - New Heraldic Title

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2003, via Ealdormere.

Nuntio Herald

This name was documented as a heraldic title derived from a motto or desirable trait. However, precedent states:

Latin mottoes are now known to be vanishing rare in period; their use in heraldic titles is a step from period practice under the Rules for Submissions. We decline to rule on their registerability under the Standards for Evaluation. Any future submission based on a Latin motto should include a discussion of the suitability of such a motto for a heraldic title. [Tanczos Istvan. Heraldic title Non Scripta Herald, 10/2012 LoAR, A-East].

As no such documentation was provided here, this heraldic title is not registerable.

However, Nuntio is also Spanish surname found in the FamilySearch Historical Records:

Catherina Nuntio; Female; Christening; 07 Mar 1599; SAN PEDRO, PALS, GERONA, SPAIN; Batch: C89325-1 ( )

Juliana de Luna's "Medieval Secular Order Names" ( shows a pattern in some countries of creating heraldic titles based on surnames. It does not, however, show this pattern in Spain. This name is pended to allow discussion of whether the pattern of creating heraldic titles out of surnames should be treated as pan-European.

Additionally, the submission does not use the correct form, which is grounds for an administrative return. We are giving the submitter the opportunity to provide (and Kingdom to upload) a correct form while substantive question of whether this heraldic title is registerable is addressed.

This was item 4 on the Ealdormere letter of November 27, 2016. (

This item was on the 07-2017 LoAR

3: Úlfr Járnhauss - New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.
No major changes.
Meaning most important.

Submitted as Úlflundr Járnhauss, the given name was a hypothetical constructed name based on the Old Norse elements Úlf- and -lundr. PN1B2b of SENA permits name phrases to be constructed from attested period elements. However,"[w]e generally require at least three examples to consider something a pattern, as sometimes a single name phrase can create the appearance of a pattern that does not actually exist." PN1B2b. Only a single example of -lundr as a second element could be found. Thus, this construction is not registerable.

After the Pelican decision meeting and the close of commentary, the submitter gave permission to change the given name to Úlfr, a male name found at p. 15 of Geirr Bassi's The Old Norse Name. As we did not have adequate time to do so before the release of this Letter, we have pended this name for conflict-checking and commentary on the form Úlfr Járnhauss.

His device is registered under the holding name Christopher of Smoking Rocks.

This was item 33 on the East letter of November 30, 2016. (

Pray know that I remain,

In service,

Emma de Fetherstan
Laurel Queen of Arms

OSCAR counts 1 Name, 1 Heraldic Title and 1 Device Change. There are a total of 3 items submitted on this letter.