Middle LoI dated 2017-01-30

Unto Andrewe Laurel, Lillia Pelican, Brunissende Wreath, and the rest of the College of Arms, does Sybella of Dragon's Mark, Rouge Scarpe Herald, send greetings.

This is the Middle Kingdom Letter of Acceptance and Returns for the items on the December 30th, 2016 ILoI, which can be found here: https://oscar.sca.org/kingdom/kingloi.php?kingdom=4&loi=4216

My sincerest thanks to: Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha, Michael Gerard Curtememoire, Seraphina Delfino, Beatrice Domenici della Campana, Basil Dragonstrike, Rowyn the Bard, Coblaith Muimnech, ffride wlffsdotter, Daniel the Broc, Jean Yves de Chierebourg, Seraphina Delfino, Katherine Coscombe, Dai Gerdwr, and Alexander Adelbrecht von Markelingen

for their commentary.

It is the intent of the College of Heralds of the Middle to register the following items. Unless otherwise noted, the submitter has no desire for authenticity and allows any changes.

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1: Aturdokht of Dark River - Resub Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2013, via the Middle.

(Fieldless) A wyvern ercet vert breathing fire proper charged on the tail with a pawprint argent.

In Commentary--Beatrice Domenici della Campana

(commenting group) This is listed as a resubmission--previous submission is here: http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=64235

There is a SFPP for the use a pawprint.

The flames are blazoned proper, which are generally considered neutral, but here are 2/3 Or/metal. Since breathed flames are not worth difference, I'm not all that concerned, but if this is returned for re-work it's probably worth mentioning. Each two-prong flame could easily be split and tinctured half gules and half Or.

In Commentary--Michael Gerard Curtememoire

Suggested alternative blazon: (Fieldless) A wyvern erect vert breathing fire proper charged on the back with a pawprint argent.

We registered the fieldless badge below, from http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=10775, for Derian le Breton, among other fiedless cases where visual connection trumps actual contiguity (to the annoyance of many commentators), so I'm not at all sure that that detail matters.

1: Image 1 https://oscar.sca.org/cImages/1706/2017-01-26/19-19-32_Derian_le_Breton.jpg

The above submission has images. To view them, see the URLs below:
#1 https://oscar.sca.org/showimage.php?I=1282/2017-02-01/17-05-05_Aturdokht_reference_image.jpg


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2: Bjǫrn inn viðfǫrli - New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Middle LoI of October 29, 2016 as submitted.

Azure, a dragon-headed Viking longboat per pale argent and Or in chief a sun Or and an increscent argent

In Commentary--Katherine Coscombe

I am slightly bothered by the size difference between the sun and increscent.

This appears clear of conflict.

In Commentary--Daniel the Broc

Agreed, no conflicts seen and I agree that i'd feel better if the increscent was a bit smaller.


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3: Brigit ingen Niallain - Resub Device

OSCAR thinks the name is registered as Brigit ingen Nialláin in January of 2016, via the Middle.

Per chevron azure and vert, two sheafs of arrows and an owl Or.

Device previously returned for violation of SENA A3D2c, so submittter changed arrow type (from 3 single to two sheafs) and the orientation (from bendwise to straight down).

In Commentary--Beatrice Domenici della Campana

(commenting group) Specific to the June 2013 Cover Letter, the sheaves provide no new A3D2c issues, and previous issues have been addressed.

This green seems very dark, but OSCAR is recognizing it as "green" (at least partially). Even with the dark green, the per chevron is clear and balanced.

The owl is in its default posture, and so can simply be blazoned as "an owl Or"


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4: Einarr Ginnfastsson - New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Middle LoI of September 30, 2016 as submitted.

Per saltire argent and gules, two Thor's hammers hafts to center gules.

Device Commentary:

--Daniel the Broc

No conflicts seen. This motif appears to be usually blazoned as "a Thor's hammer inverted and a Thor's hammer <tincture>"

"Per saltire argent and gules, a Thor's hammer inverted and a Thor's hammer gules"

--Michael Gerard Curtememoire

I'm quite sure that, besides being wordier, that blazon would run into the dread Unity of Posture rule, "A charge group in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed ..." In any case, there are only three cases of the exact pattern you propose in the O&A, and the phrase submitted has been used, for a different arrangement, as recently as Leofwynn Godwinesdohtor's device, Dec 2015, Per bend vert and gules, four Thor's hammers in cross hafts to center argent.

Compare also, after the adoption of SENA http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A3D2c,

Craig of Glymm Mere's device, Jun 2015, blazoned with ... in pale two crabs heads to center gules ...,

Hette Vitze's, Sep 2014, ... two furisons flats to center argent ...,

Angelo Sidoti's, Oct 2016, ... in chief two attires, stumps to center argent ..., and

Oren Holtzklau's, Jul 2016, ... two bows with strings to center ... Or.

These avoid a crab inverted and a crab,

a furison and a furison inverted,

an attire reversed and an attire, and

a bow and a bow reversed.

Bottom line, I endorse

Per saltire argent and gules, two Thor's hammers hafts to center gules.


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5: Emma Foxe - New Device

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in November of 2015, via the Middle.

Per pale argent and purpure, an escarbuncle Or between two violets bendwise sinister counterchanged within an orle of ivy vert.

Submitter granted permission to redraw in order to make both the orle and the violets more identifiable.


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6: Gwydion Glyndwr - New Name

Submitter desires a masculine name.

Gwydion: Dated to 1308 in Morgan & Morgan, s. n. Boly

Glyndwr: Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 2127 (http://www.s-gabriel.org/2127) "...a contracted form of the place name which is <Glyndyfrdwy> in modern Welsh. It means "valley of the Dyfrdwy river"..."

Previous Submission was returned in Kingdom on the May 2016 ILoAR:

3: Gwydion Gwrando -New Name & New Device

Per chevron sable and vert two trefoils of oak leaves and a hawk migrant to chief Or.

ROUGE SCARPE: Name returned for lack of documentation for the byname. All that was provided was an unattested claim that <Gwrando> was Welsh for "listen". We were able to verify that

<Gwrando> does have that meaning but no indication that it was used as a byname or follows an attested pattern for Welsh bynames was found. Submitter would need to show that <Gwrando> was used in period as a byname or that it follows a documentable pattern of period practice.

Device returned along with the name. If the name had not had problems of its own the device would have been returned for redrawing for its own issues. The per chevron line of division is two low, it should extend above the mid point of the escutcheon so that it divides the field into roughly equal portions. Here the point of the line of division just reaches the fess line and the sable area is significantly larger than the vert. Commenters had difficulty identifying the oak leaves. The hawk was recognizable as a bird but not necessarily a hawk. There is a step from period practice for use of hawk migrant but that is the only one. Colored pencils are also not the best media, the sable specifically could use to be colored in darker and more solidly.

In Commentary on Resub:

--Dai Gerdwr

From the same St. Gabriel report, the section on Glyndwr continues: "The name <Glyndwr> is strongly associated with Owain Glyndwr, a 14th-15th century Welsh prince who was known in the English fashion for his landholdings in this area. The name is not unique to this prince, but the association is strong enough that many people will assume the claim of some kind of connection."

I'd have to agree with the strong association. Does it cross the line of presumption?

--Michael Gerard Curtememoire

Not under SENA http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#PN4B2, "Dynastic Names":

Dynastic names used by both a royal family and normal people are acceptable.

Nor can it clash with the rule in the next section, "Combination of Family Name and Location", since the submission has no locative.

--Basil Dragonstrike (Lions Heart)

It is worth remembering that St. Gab, as they freely state, uses stricter criteria than SENA does. Since the citation shows that Glyndwr is a location, and since SENA Appendix A says Welsh can use unmarked locatives, I believe this name is fine.

I didn't find any conflict.


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7: Gylden Broc Hus - Resub Household Name

OSCAR is unable to find the name, either registered or submitted.

Submission by Roana Aldinoch: Roana Aldinoch

This name was registered in April of 2011 (via the Middle).

Alys Mackyntoich (Blue Tyger (outgoing)) at 2015-06-08 21:41:42

Would could do this as an inn sign name, but likely not in Anglo-Saxon. And it would need to be House of the X or X House.

The pattern of color + animal in inn-sign names is fairly well established. It's found in "English Sign Names," by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/inn/#ColorAnimal)

<gylden> as a variant of <golden> meaning "of a golden color" appears in the Middle English Dictionary s.v. gilden (adj.) dated to c. 1150.

The spelling <broc> for a badger appears dated to c. 1223 in the Middle English Dictionary s.v. brok.

<hus> is used for <house> in the place names Salthus (1243), Smauhuses (1250) and Bekhus (1260).

So maybe this gives us Gylden Broc Hus as an early Middle English inn-sign name.

In Commentary:

--Daniel the Broc at 2017-01-06 23:25:02

I heartily endorse this product and or establishment :)

Names, esp NPN are not my forte, but here goes.

Confirmed that the Middle English dictionary has an entry for gilden, and the 3rd entry does say "Of golden colour" While Gilded isn't allowed for Order names, it is allowed for sign names, which matches period practice (Sept 15 LOAR Calafia, Barony of. Household name Company of the Gilded Thimble.) I don't know for certain if it would apply to gilden, but it should be the same root word...

I for Y swaps in English are common place, which should allow the spelling gylden (Per Dec 14 acceptence for Riane Goch)

Confirmed spelling for Broc in the MED online under Brok (Badger)

Spelling for Hus found in MED online under Hous.


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8: Hakon Hrafnsson - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in May of 2014, via the Middle.

Per pall inverted, Or, sable, and paly argent and vert.

Beatrice Domenici della Campana at 2017-01-11 21:09:27

(Commentary group) A question was raised as to whether the bottom part of this field is too small, being really the bottom quarter of a per-saltire field, rather than the bottom 1/3 of a per-pall. To keep this angle, I would think the point should be higher, and to keep this point, the division lines should join the sides higher up.

Michael Gerard Curtememoire at 2017-01-11 23:47:11

I agree with Signora Beatrice's group, but Laurel may not. Francesca Carletti's badge, image from https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=66490 below, was passed on the most recent LoAr with only a note to draw the principal charge larger, and Raven Mayne's with Tvoislava Michelovna, second image below from https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=5885, with no comment at all on the May 2008 Letter. Perhaps it is felt that the breadth of the badge form's bottom edge gives that section a comparable proportion to what the division gives on a heater shield, so that if a good division point is on the fess line of the latter, it can be on the fess line of the former?

It will be interesting to see if there is any LoAR commentary on Hannah Storyteller's proposed badge, third image below from https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=68634, on the Sept 2016 LoI for the West.

1: Image 1 https://oscar.sca.org/cImages/1706/2017-01-11/23-47-11_Francesca_Carlettibadge.jpg

2: Image 2 https://oscar.sca.org/cImages/1706/2017-01-11/23-47-12_Raven_-n-amp;_Tvoislava_badge.jpg

3: Image 3 https://oscar.sca.org/cImages/1706/2017-01-11/23-47-13_Hannah_StoryTeller_badge.jpg


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9: Hanß Leiland Adelbrecht - New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Middle LoI of September 30, 2016 as submitted.

Per chevron inverted argent and azure, an enfield rampant to sinister gules and two crescents Or.


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10: Katarzina Celjska - New Device

OSCAR finds the name on the Middle LoI of September 30, 2016 as submitted.

Azure, three chevronels braced argent in chief three trillium two and one Or NOTE: The submitter is willing to add a bordure Or (plain line) if they must to clear conflict with Aidan Mackay. (not a conflict-Istvan)

Permission was given by submitter for redraw to clarify Trilliums.

Image1:

https://oscar.sca.org/emblazons/Middle/2016-08/Katarzina_Celjska-Device-3032_BW.jpg

Image2:

https://oscar.sca.org/emblazons/Middle/2016-08/Katarzina_Celjska-Device-3032_C.jpg


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11: Lil Lith of Shadowed Stars - New Name & New Device

Per bend azure and argent, a willow tree eradicated counterchanged. See PicDic 3rd Edition for willow tree, add roots.

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound (Lilith) most important.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XBP7-QYC documents Lil Eiberts to 1569 Netherlands, batch C90035-1

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N62K-LXL documents Elizabeth Lith to 1603 England, batch M10891-4

'of Shadowed Stars' is a locative byname derived from an SCA branch. The 'Shire of Shadowed Stars' was registered in November of 1986 (via the Middle).

In Commentary:

--ffride wlffsdotter

Not sure if it helps, as the spelling is different, but...

<Sara Lyleth> married 1640, England. Batch no. M02272-2

(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVZC-5ZP)

The September 2012 LoAR cover letter says:

"In general, family names documented in sixteenth century England may be used to create given names...." (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2012/09/12-09cl.html#5)

And the December 2014 LoAR sn. Riane Goch notes:

"... i/y switches are common in English...."

(http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2014/12/14-12lar.html#77)

So <Lileth> might be closer to what the submitter wants, than <Lil Lith>?


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12: Mairghread inghean Rúadáin - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
No major changes.
Sound (sound of Ruadhán) most important.

Mairghread is found as a feminine given name from the 16th Century in the list of feminine given names under Names of Scottish Gaels from Scottish Gaelic Sources in Scottish Gaelic Given Names: For Women by Sharon L. Krossa [http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/gaelicgiven/women.shtml] (Work in Process)

The construction of the patronymic byname is found in Quick and Easy Gaelic Names by Sharon L.Krossa: [http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/] "The standard way to form a name using a simple patronymic byname for women is:[single given name] inghean [father's given name (in genitive case & always lenited unless startingwith D, T, L, N, R, or a vowel)]"

Ruadhán is found in Names of Scottish Gaels from Scottish Gaelic Sources by Sharon L. Krossa [http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/gaelicgiven/men.shtml]. This may be the genitive form. Submitter requests accented version of name.

Name originally submitted as: Mairghread inghean Ruadhán.

Submitter granted permission to change name.

In Commentary:

--Lilie Dubh inghean ui Mordha

In looking at Ruadhan, I think this is not the genitive. It would have to be Ruadhain, with an accent on the a before the 'in'.

All documentation checks out. I don't see conflicts.

--Ursula Georges (Palimpsest)

Yes, Mari's Annals article gives Rúadáin for the pre-1200 spelling of the genitive ( http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Ruadan.shtml ), so we'd expect Rúadháin for the post-1200 genitive.


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13: Marushka Stanislawowiczowa - New Name

Submitter desires a feminine name.
Sound (Maroosh-ka Stan-is-la-wahw-itch) most important.

Marushka is a Russian feminine given name found in Wickenden Dictionary of Period Russian Names, header name Mariia, s.v. Marushka dated to 1545

Stanisławowicz is a Polish byname found in Abramowitz et al (Polish Names). Header: Stanisławowicz - Wlost Stanisławowicz 1528. Polish and Russian can be combined per Appendix C of SENA.

Name submitted as: Marushka Stanislawowicz

Permission to change name granted by submitter.

In Commentary:

--ffride wlffsdotter at 2016-09-27 07:21:56

The submitter has combined a masculine patronymic with a feminine name.

If she wants to be the daughter of Stanisław, then the (modernly, at least) patronymic would be Stanisławowiczowna. If she wants to be his husband, then Stanisławowiczowa.

I'm having difficulty finding examples of -owiczow(n)a before 1650 though. Maybe someone else has something?

--Ursula Georges (Palimpsest) at 2016-10-20 12:04:20

The Polish section of Appendix A says, "Women's bynames use feminine forms. Most frequently, patronyms are changed by adding the diminutive suffix -ina/-yna, or by adding -ówa (married name) or -ówna (maiden name), making Bina or Bów(n)a." So either of the forms you mentioned should be registrable.


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14: Milisandia MacGreghere - New Name & New Device

Per chevron argent and vert, a chevron sable in base a squirrel sejent erect Or.

Submitter desires a feminine name.

Milisandia - listed as a feminine name in A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn http://heraldry.sca.org/names/welsh13.html

McGreghere - Found as an original version (found in the records as opposed to modernized) in Names from 13th Century Scottish Parliamentary Records by Alys Mackyntoich http://heraldry.sca.org/names/Namesfrom13thCenturyScottishParliamentaryRecords.html The structure [given name] + [family name or inherited surname] also comes from the same article. Names from 13th Century Scottish Parliamentary Records by Alys Mackyntoich http://heraldry.sca.org/names

/Namesfrom13thCenturyScottishParliamentaryRecords.html

Name originally submitted as: Milisandia McGreghere

Permission for the spelling change, granted by submitter.

In Commentary:

--Coblaith Muimnech

The submitted form won't be registered. "Mc" is a scribal abbreviation.

The article cited for "McGreghere", ". . .presents extracted name data from Latin parliament records. . .."

As explained in the cover letter to the September, 2007 Letter of Acceptances and Returns (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2007/09/07-09cl.html):

For Latin, M' and Mc will be expanded as Mac in first- generation patronymics and as either Mac or Mic, depending on similar expanded Latin examples in contemporary sources, or, preferably, from the same document.

So it's looking like "Mac Greghere" or "Mic Greghere", depending on what's found in similar sources.


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15: Toth Bálint - New Badge

OSCAR finds the name registered exactly as it appears in January of 2015, via the Middle.

Fieldless, a loop of rope with ends crossed inverted gules.

In Commentary:

--Michael Gerard Curtememoire

Punctuation and capitalization should be:

(Fieldless) A loop of rope with ends crossed inverted gules.

Submitter or his herald has apparently observed the looped tress of hair with its ends crossed registered to Thyri Eirikskona at http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2016/03/16-03lar.html#63, where said ends are in base as shown at http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=60009, and accordingly blazoned the submission as the inversion of its posture. The blazon of Thomas the Green's device, Nov 1996, Per pale vert and argent, a loop of rope, ends crossed in base, sable, does not contradict this (nor does it conflict).

--Daniel the Broc

No conflicts seen. Pic dic says it's a period Polish charge as well. http://mistholme.com/dictionary/knot-rope-looped-ends-crossed/


In Service to the Client, Kingdom, and College,

Baroness Sybella of Dragon's Mark

Rouge Scarpe Herald


OSCAR counts 5 New Names, 7 New Devices and 2 New Badges. These 14 items are chargeable, Laurel should receive $56 for them. OSCAR counts 1 Resub Household Name, 1 Resub Device and 1 Resub Badge. These 3 items are not chargeable. There are a total of 17 items submitted on this letter.