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Artemisia LoI - 2014-11-30


This item was on the 02-2015 LoAR

5: Miquel d'Orion - New Badge

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Azure, on a shakefork gules, three mullets of six points Or.

Correction to Badge (2014-Nov-05 10:11:04): OOOH! The first IAP on one of my letters! Glad Sage did all the legwork on this, not me.

Gules central ordinary on azure field

http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_171_Siebmacher.htm V Damitz

http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_196_Siebmacher.htm V Gottesheim This also shows mullets of 6 points Or

http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_208_Siebmacher.htm Top right, illegible name. Also has tertiaries.

Things on a gules central ordinary:

http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_151_Siebmacher.htm V: Hedersleben http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_158_Siebmacher.htm Die Maenhavpt

http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_59_Siebmacher.htm V: Brisnitz

Use of mullets of 6 points http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_80_Siebmacher.htm V: Allerspach

http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_83_Siebmacher.htm V: Freyberg

http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_85_Siebmacher.htm V: Seyfridstorf

Use of a pale

http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_28_Siebmacher.htm Polweil

http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_38_Siebmacher.htm V: Oberheim zv Schönav http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_42_Siebmacher.htm Die Tevfel

Use of a Shakefork https://oscar.sca.org/s.php?u=24802 [ daten.digitale-sammlungen.de ] &seite=554

As with the device IAP, I am including Orle's excellent internal commentary that was added for help with this in toto.

We can tighten this up some. Since we didn't find red shakeforks on blue fields, we then try and "document around it" using various other red central ordinaries with high contrast charges on a blue field. SENA A.4.C.3 suggests six bracketing examples. I would suggest a variety, not just bends. If you have trouble getting that, you can try red fields with blue central ordinaries and high contrast tertiaries.

Azure field with gules central ordinary with high-contrast tertiaries (Image #1)

Die Maenhaupt. Azure, on a bend gules three turnips(?) argent. Siebmacher 158. http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_158_Siebmacher.htm

Von Gottesheim. Azure, on a bend gules three mullets of six points , a bordure Or. Siebmacher 196. http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_196_Siebmacher.htm

Die Pfentinger. Azure, on a bend gules three escallops argent. Siebmacher 208. http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_208_Siebmacher.htm

Azure, on a bend gules between two fleurs-de-lys a lion passant Or. 1500-1550 Wappenbuch [BSB Cod.icon. 392 d] 33r. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0001/bsb00018706/image_137

Azure, on a bend gules three lions rampant argent. 1500-1550 Wappenbuch [BSB Cod.icon. 392 d] 34r. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0001/bsb00018706/image_139

Azure, on a saltire gules th eletters A, D, G(?), O, and I argent. 1530 Sammelband Mehrerer Wappenbücher [BSB Cod.icon. 391] 3v. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00007681/image_8

Azure field with gules central ordinary and some high contrast secondary charges (Image #2)

Azure, a chevron gules between three horse's heads couped argent. 1548 Wappenbuch der Arlberg-Bruderschaft. p. 144. http://bilderserver.at/wappenbuecher/VirgilRaberEXAv2_52z2/

Azure, a fess gules between two lions passant Or. 1548 Wappenbuch der Arlberg-Bruderschaft. p. 861. http://bilderserver.at/wappenbuecher/VirgilRaberEXAv2_52z2/

Azure fleury Or, a cross gules. 1530 Sammelband Mehrerer Wappenbücher [BSB Cod.icon. 391] 151r. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00007681/image_303

Azure, a saltire gules between four fleurs-de-lys Or. 1530 Sammelband Mehrerer Wappenbücher [BSB Cod.icon. 391] 151r. http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/bsb00007681/image_303

Gules field with azure central ordinary and high contrast tertiary charges (Image #2)

Gules, on a pale azure three fleurs-de-lys Or. 1548 Wappenbuch der Arlberg-Bruderschaft. p. 257. http://bilderserver.at/wappenbuecher/VirgilRaberEXAv2_52z2/

Gules, on a pale azure three mullets of six points Or. 1548 Wappenbuch der Arlberg-Bruderschaft. p. 739. http://bilderserver.at/wappenbuecher/VirgilRaberEXAv2_52z2/

Gules, a horse rampant argent and overall on a fess azure three mullets of six points Or. 1548 Wappenbuch der Arlberg-Bruderschaft. p.838. http://bilderserver.at/wappenbuecher/VirgilRaberEXAv2_52z2/

Shakefork Couped (Image #3)

(illegible) Argent, a shakefork couped sable. 1600 Sammlung von Wappen aus Verschiedenen, Besonders Deutschen Ländern [BSB-Hss Cod.icon. 307] http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/bsb00020245/image_554

Six-Pointed Stars

Von Gottesheim. Azure, on a bend gules three mullets of six points , a bordure Or. Siebmacher 196. http://www.wappenbuch.de/pages/wappen_196_Siebmacher.htm (Image #1)

Gules, on a pale azure three mullets of six points Or. 1548 Wappenbuch der Arlberg-Bruderschaft. p. 739. http://bilderserver.at/wappenbuecher/VirgilRaberEXAv2_52z2/ (Image #2)

Gules, a horse rampant argent and overall on a fess azure three mullets of six points Or. 1548 Wappenbuch der Arlberg-Bruderschaft. p.838. http://bilderserver.at/wappenbuecher/VirgilRaberEXAv2_52z2/ (Image #2)

And to further add onto the massive amount of reading for this, I'm putting in more of the comments from internal, to save people from having to say them again, or to discuss things further.

Basil Dragonstrike at 2014-11-19 19:41:11 (Reply)

I didn't find any conflict.

I'm confused; SENA A.4.B says:

"What Must Be Documented: Each element of the armory which falls outside the core style rules must be documented. If armory has multiple elements which fall outside the core style rules, the combination of these non-core style elements should be documented, although larger numbers of examples of each non-core style element may suffice, as described below. The overall design of the submission must be similar to the types of designs that document the use of the non-core style elements. In general, examples must match the submission in style and complexity."

IOW (as I understand it); "If you want to do something we usually forbid, you can do it if you get it to jump through the following hoop. If you want to do more than one such, you must make them jump through the hoop together, or get each to jump through a tougher hoop." There's nothing in that rule that requires said hoop-jumping by Core Style Rule elements. Yet the immediately following example is:

"For example, the attested Gules, a fess sable is not evidence for the submission Gules, on a fess sable between three mullets argent three bezants nor is it evidence for the submission Gules, a lion sable."

I can understand 'a fess is not a lion', but I can't understand why high-contrast secondaries around a primary ordinary and high-contrast tertiaries on a primary ordinary are a problem. Has the rule per se been mis-written, or is the example in error?

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2014-11-20 13:03:25 (Reply)

Emma Wreath Emerita can probably explain this better, but the idea is to show that THIS pattern is a reasonable extrapolation from period heraldry. SENA A.4.B. (http://heraldry.sca.org/sena.html#A4B) says (my emphasis): "The overall design of the submission must be similar to the types of designs that document the use of the non-core style elements. In general, examples must match the submission in style and complexity."

Out of a few thousand examples, I came up with only 6 examples of an azure field with gules central ordinary with high-contrast tertiaries. Five were bends, one was a saltire. This isn't making a good case for the shakefork. In fact, we have just that one lone shakefork, which suggests that this is a really rare motif in German heraldry.

So, to bolster the case, I tried to get more non-bend ordinaries, so I'm saying essentially, "well, they did this with bunches of types of central ordinaries, incl. bends, saltires, fesses, crosses and pales, therefore a shakefork treated this way is not unreasonable".

I probably need to take a look at French and Italian also to see if I can make a stronger case in another jurisdiction (Parker and Fox-Davies comment that palls and shakeforks are rare in English heraldry but common in Scottish and ecclesiastical heraldry). I'll report back.

Gunnvor silfraharr (Orle) at 2014-11-21 00:11:31 (Reply)

I don't have access to any early Scottish heraldry and haven't been able to find any convenient rolls of arms on-line, but I have a couple of books on Scottish seals. Pretty much all of the palls and shakeforks I found are for Cunningham (Argent, a pall sable) and branches of that family. I found two charged with a quatrefoil and an inverted pall charged with a falcon, but so far that's been it. I am not done looking yet, though, there are supposed to be shakeforks in Flemish armory. Can we use Scottish and English armory examples together, or do we count them two jurisdictions?

The books:

Henry Laing. Descriptive Catalogue of Impressions from Ancient Scottish Seals, Royal, Baronial, Ecclesiastical, and Municipal, Embracing a period from A.D. 1094 to the Commonwealth. Edinburgh: T. Constable. 1850.

William Rae Macdonald. Scottish Armorial Seals. Edinburgh. Willian Green and Sons. 1904.

The seals:

1398 "S' WILLEILMI DE CONYNGHAME". Sir William of Kilmaurs. A shakefork. (Laing #1215. Macdonald #593)

1500 Robert Stirling of Eawglass. On a bend between [a shakefork and a roundel(?)], three buckles. (Macdonald #2695)

1500 "S' DAVID CUNINGHAM". A pall between the initials "D. C." On each side of the shield at the base is a pelican vulning herself. (Laing #225. Macdonald #603)

1503 "S VALTERVS CVNNYNGHAM". Son of Andrew Cunningham of Drumquhassill. A shakefork, its stem surmounted by a bar also couped. (Macdonald #605)

1510 "CUTHBERTO COMITE DE GLEN CARN". Cuthbert Cuningham, third Earl of Glencairn. A shake-fork. (Laing #226. Macdonald #594)

1510 "S' WILLELMI [CUNI]NGHAM" Son of Cuthbert, fourth Earl of Glencairn. A shakefork, its stem surmounted by a bar also couped. (Laing #227. Macdonald #595)

1512 "S ANDRE CUNNYGHAME". Andrew Cunningham of Drumquhassill. A pall between three cinquefoils. (Macdonald #604)

1531 "GUILLERMU CONENGHAM MILES". A pall. Sir William, Knight, Master of Glencairn. (Macdonald #596)

1535 "S ROBERTI CUNIGHAM". Robert Cunningham of Auchinhervie. A pall between a mullet in chief and two boar's heads erased. (Macdonald #606)

1537 "S WILLELMI CUNYNGHAM". William Cunningham, Provist if Trinity College Church, Edinburgh. A pall. (Macdonald #607)

1541 "S. D. WILHELMI CONIGHAM. William, Earl of Glencairn and Lord of Kilmaurs. A pall. (Macdonald #597)

1543 "S WILHELMI CONINGHAME". Son of Cuthbert, fourth Earl of Glencairn. A pall. (Macdonald #598)

1543 "S UILLIELMI CUNYGHA". William Cunningham of Gengarnock. On a pall a cinquefoil, all within a bordure. (Macdonald #607a)

1547 "S GUILELMI [CUNNYN]GHA[M]". William Cunningham of Glengarbock. A pall. (Macdonald #608)

1556 "[S K]ATHEREINE CUNYGHAME". Katherine Cunningham, wife of Duncan Nairn. On a shakefork a quatrefoil. (Macdonald #609)

1556 "ALEXANDER CONINGHAME . COMITS . DE . GLENCARNE". Fifth Earl of Glencairn. A shakefork. (Macdonald #599)

1566 "S . ADAMVS . CONINGHAM". Adam Cunningham the Younger of Auchinharvie. A shakefork between a star of eight points in chief and two mascles. (Macdonald #610)

1573 S . VILELMI . CVNYNGHAME". William Cunningham of Caprington. Quarterly 1&4 a pall, 2&3 a lion. (Macdonald #611)

late 16th c. "S IACOBI CVNYNGHAME". James Cunningham. A fess counter-compony surmounted by a shakefork. (Macdonald #612)

1580 "S IACOBI CVNINGHAM". Grandson of Alexander, seventh Earl of Glencairn. A shakefork with a [boat's head erased?] in dexter chief. (Macdonald #601)

1581 "S ALEXANDER CVIGHAM COMES DE GLENCARNE" Fifth Earl of Glencairn. A pall. (Macdonald #600)

1581 "S ALEXANDER CVNIGHAM COMES DE GLENCARNE". Fifth Earl of Glencairn. A pall. (Macdonald #600)

1583 Robert Cunningham of Wolmet. A shakefork. (Macdonald #613)

1589 David Cunningham, Bishop of Aberdeen. Quarterly 1&4 a pall and in chief a mullet, 2&3 two garbs in fess. (Macdonald #614)

1605 "S' GEORGII CUNINGHAM DE HAG". George Cunningham of Hag. A pall and in chief a mullet impaled with a thistle slipped. (Laing #228. Macdonald #615)

1628 Alexander Cunningham, Bailie of Irvine. On a shakefork inverted a falcon contourny, all between a decrescent and a heart. (Macdonald #616)<blockquote>

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